TurnedMyWorldToBlack Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 What can they do, they are only doing it to scare people. And from the looks of some of these posts it seems to be working. If we don't hang on to the rights we have we will be the nazi states of america that somebody mentioned. Stand up and for your rights and don't let these a**holes walk on us. If ever there was a reason to get people to go out and vote this should be it, look at the s***ty laws they are passing and our tax dollars are paying for all this s**t. The Riaa isn't thats for sure. Check out the link in my sig. B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semifamous Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 The only people who have anything to be afraid of are people who are doing something they shouldn't be doing. Only users lose drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tran Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Not at all! The RIAA can come and get me... too bad - for them that is - cause I live outside of the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EzeWong Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 The only people who have anything to be afraid of are people who are doing something they shouldn't be doing.Only users lose drugs. Yo Drugs are cool man, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpistong Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 The U.S. sucks, and their laws to. If RIAA comes around, they'll beter bring their SWAT-team along, cause this boy ain't gonna surrender in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 What can they do, they are only doing it to scare people. And from the looks of some of these posts it seems to be working. If we don't hang on to the rights we have we will be the nazi states of america that somebody mentioned. Stand up and for your rights and don't let these a**holes walk on us. If ever there was a reason to get people to go out and vote this should be it, look at the s***ty laws they are passing and our tax dollars are paying for all this s**t. The Riaa isn't thats for sure.Check out the link in my sig. B. I think the members of this board are miniscule in comparison to the millions that use Kazaa. Hence, since most Kazaa users don't go to message boards like these, the RIAA can succesfuly use their tactics as a deterrent to those, thus scaring them in the process. All that leaves behind are us individuals who wish to continue and not be dettered, and the RIAA will go ahead and us too because all the others will be scared and gone already. So following that logic, I think its better to be scared. Getting sued is getting sued, by DDOSing them, you don't destroy that subpeona on your desk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tran Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 @ fpistong: There's no reason to attack the US directly, it's the RIAA that sucks. And if you live outside the US then the RIAA can't do anything to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnedMyWorldToBlack Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 What can they do, they are only doing it to scare people. And from the looks of some of these posts it seems to be working. If we don't hang on to the rights we have we will be the nazi states of america that somebody mentioned. Stand up and for your rights and don't let these a**holes walk on us. If ever there was a reason to get people to go out and vote this should be it, look at the s***ty laws they are passing and our tax dollars are paying for all this s**t. The Riaa isn't thats for sure.Check out the link in my sig. B. I think the members of this board are miniscule in comparison to the millions that use Kazaa. Hence, since most Kazaa users don't go to message boards like these, the RIAA can succesfuly use their tactics as a deterrent to those, thus scaring them in the process. All that leaves behind are us individuals who wish to continue and not be dettered, and the RIAA will go ahead and us too because all the others will be scared and gone already. So following that logic, I think its better to be scared. Getting sued is getting sued, by DDOSing them, you don't destroy that subpeona on your desk. Yes but if you play into fear then we would be no better than Nazi Germany, that is how Hitler controled things with fear, how many people were willing to give up some of thier rights after 9/11 because of fear? You can't play into fear regardles of the threat. If we let fear contorl us then we have already lost. We control the situation, we buy the cds we buy the music, if we stop buying there would be no music industry. The music industry has ripped off the consumers, and artists for years, we need a change. Check the link in my sig. B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 What can they do, they are only doing it to scare people. And from the looks of some of these posts it seems to be working. If we don't hang on to the rights we have we will be the nazi states of america that somebody mentioned. Stand up and for your rights and don't let these a**holes walk on us. If ever there was a reason to get people to go out and vote this should be it, look at the s***ty laws they are passing and our tax dollars are paying for all this s**t. The Riaa isn't thats for sure.Check out the link in my sig. B. I think the members of this board are miniscule in comparison to the millions that use Kazaa. Hence, since most Kazaa users don't go to message boards like these, the RIAA can succesfuly use their tactics as a deterrent to those, thus scaring them in the process. All that leaves behind are us individuals who wish to continue and not be dettered, and the RIAA will go ahead and us too because all the others will be scared and gone already. So following that logic, I think its better to be scared. Getting sued is getting sued, by DDOSing them, you don't destroy that subpeona on your desk. Yes but if you play into fear then we would be no better than Nazi Germany, that is how Hitler controled things with fear, how many people were willing to give up some of thier rights after 9/11 because of fear? You can't play into fear regardles of the threat. If we let fear contorl us then we have already lost. We control the situation, we buy the cds we buy the music, if we stop buying there would be no music industry. The music industry has ripped off the consumers, and artists for years, we need a change. Check the link in my sig. B. Comparing Hitler to the RIAA is ludicrous. Hitler restricted rights on a fundamental level. Stealing Music is not, and never will be a right. What you are doing was what every classical American is doing right now: overclaiming rights. Read "Rights Talk" by Mary Ann Glendon. Moreover, the citizens in Nazi Germany had no fear, they just didn't have any money because of poor economic conditions and sanctions places from World War 1, hence they were desperate. That's why they fell for Hitler's rule, because he promised to undo all the restrictions made in The Treaty of Versailles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 I'll save you some clicking, here is a blurb of the book... Here, Harvard Law School professor Glendon argues eloquently and persuasively that modern American political discourse, by emphasizing an ever-expanding catalogue of rights to the exclusion of duties and responsibilities, has lost the central role in civic life envisioned for it by the Founding Fathers. Glendon shows that, in American society, both sides in political debates frame issues in terms of individual rights--flag- burning, domestic relations, and human reproduction, for example- -and that this tendency impedes understanding and compromise. Such stark formulations, she says, ultimately lead to coerced, and often unsatisfying, social arrangements. Glendon makes a compelling case that the American political lexicon lacks a vocabulary for expressing normative and moral concepts that individual Americans understand and value highly, and that the legal culture, with its single-minded emphasis on obtaining civil rights (as opposed to cultivating moral norms), has actually contributed, albeit unwittingly, to the debasement of American political and legal discourse. Glendon calls for the inclusion of the ``missing language of responsibility'' and the ``missing language of sociality'' in American political dialogue, and for an increasing emphasis on individuals' responsibilities to their communities as a necessary concomitant to the rights they exercise. A forceful and valuable analysis of the banality of modern American public debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djgramma Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 So why is the RIAA waging war on americans when they should be waging war on terrorism like every other american? typical american law abiding organization that loses money over something they can't even put their fingers on. It's bloody insane that people are still living in the US when they're going after each other's throats. Then again, I'm just a poor lil canuck here enjoying the sun and the Rolling Stones on the telly, wtf am I talkin' about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wienerpants Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Here's a hint as to how concerned I am about the RIAA: Hello RIAA! How are you? I have well over 5000 songs on my computer, and I didn't pay for them! Please don't sue me :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxdesmus Posted July 30, 2003 Author Share Posted July 30, 2003 Here's a hint as to how concerned I am about the RIAA:Hello RIAA! How are you? I have well over 5000 songs on my computer, and I didn't pay for them! Please don't sue me :D lol :laugh: ...i am more worried about movies and software that i might have. lol.... :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 That "boycott riaa" site is a direct result of Rights Talk. Public Discourse is being skewed because most people don't know what rights are and just over claim them. Moreover, filesharing is okay, just not filesharing copyrighted material. If you endorse the sharing of copyrighted material, in principle its the same as stealing. The motive of boyCotting the RIAA is not to improve the economy, heck, half of you all probably don't care about it on that aspect, but the motive is just so they can start stealing music again. In that site, in the forums, I only see one economical analysis of the situation, with no one DARING to debate about the fundamental ethics of the situation. I don't endorse the RIAA, but supporting a group that does something wrong and then calling it right, and calling A right is just wrong because first, it ruins public discourse, and thus adequate and responsible discussion is never possible, and secondly, rights themselves become degraded as regular people begin to overclaim it. Remember, rights do not equal privalage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djgramma Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Is it worse when you DJ with mp3s? Would the RIAA get after you for doing that? What if I do it for free, like I am right now, what then RIAA? Are you gonna sue me for just playing them to about 300 of my closest friends? (which is considerably much less than 20,000 of my closest friends online) :shifty: :ninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMayhem Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 That "boycott riaa" site is a direct result of Rights Talk. Public Discourse is being skewed because most people don't know what rights are and just over claim them.Moreover, filesharing is okay, just not filesharing copyrighted material. If you endorse the sharing of copyrighted material, in principle its the same as stealing. The motive of boyCotting the RIAA is not to improve the economy, heck, half of you all probably don't care about it on that aspect, but the motive is just so they can start stealing music again. In that site, in the forums, I only see one economical analysis of the situation, with no one DARING to debate about the fundamental ethics of the situation. I don't endorse the RIAA, but supporting a group that does something wrong and then calling it right, and calling A right is just wrong because first, it ruins public discourse, and thus adequate and responsible discussion is never possible, and secondly, rights themselves become degraded as regular people begin to overclaim it. Remember, rights do not equal privalage. What does the RIAA do? Why dont artists just sell there own music? They would make craploads more money, and the RIAA would be gone :p I dont support taking free music, but I dont support the RIAA either :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 I don't think the RIAA sues people who play MP3's for free. If that were the case, then independent, usermade radio stations that stream music would also be on the huntdown. Unless you are on Kazaa and are sharing those MP3's, I don't see why you should be in danger. One fault of the RIAA is that they assume too much. They assume that everybody uses kazaa when I can simply rip the CD from my neighbor next door. The RIAA hasn't countered that aspect yet, and never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 I think that artists dont sell the music themselves because they simply don't have the marketing experience/enterprising talent to do so. Thats almost like saying, why doesn't Bill Gates come to my house and sell me Windows XP instead of me going to Compusa and buying it. Well, that wasn't a good analogy, but you get the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uniacid Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 meh RIAA? never heard of em :laugh: :rofl: not scared here, not like they'd get money from me anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeza Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 i laugh in the face of the RIAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad0wcat Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 I live in good ol' Blighty.. so I would love to see the RIAA try to come over here and hack people, i'm sure our government would absolutly love them if they tried to pull a stunt like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deimos Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 lol. f~!@ the RIAA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solarix Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 riaa can lick my balls for all i care. same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 same Its times like these when I try to incite some intelligent discussion when I get posts like these:P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basho1 Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 The RIAA is suing everybody to capitalize on something, that they are kicking themselves in the ass for not coming up with first. They were against Tapes when they first came out because they thought everyone would be copying music and giving it to their friends. And look what happened...During the years that tapes were out the record industry made more profits than they ever had. Same is true with the MPAA and VCR's, they were initially against vcrs, yet again they are also benefiting from higher profits from the sale of tapes and dvds. They are fighting a losing battle. If they don't adapt to new technology they will not survive. Consumers are tired of buying CD's with 15 crappy songs and only 1 or 2 songs they actually want. I think the RIAA is realizing they can no longer sell crap in bulk and get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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