TurnedMyWorldToBlack Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 That still doesn't change the fact that stealing songs is wrong. Yeah, fine, you might be getting a better economy, but you used wrong means to get to it. Even if the motive of the RIAA were to get money, one of the things they are trying to stop is the stealing of songs, which is a noble venture.No matter what benefits come out of a situation, if it were attained by doing something wrong, it stays wrong. If killing one innocent man meant the society would be 10x richer, that still doesn't change the fact that killing one innocent man is wrong. I'm strictly looking to this from a "means-based" perspective, fine I can see economical benefits, but they would be attained through unethical means. What about CDs being priced at $19.99 CND for two decades. What about CDs labelled "imports" priced at $34.99 CND for a decade. (Most of my rap collection are imports) The RIAA were stealing your money for decades and now the tables have turned and you take their side? If you you kill a serial killer, is that so wrong? Thats whats going on here...yet you have the audacity to think them to be noble in what they do? Talk about messed up. Corporations have spent billions in picking apart your brain to get your money and you defend them? People like you are the problem with society. People who feel these companies are doing you a favour. We as consumers should be in control. With our combined power, we are stronger then any government or corporation. We should be setting the standards and not be wrangled like sheep... Well said :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detri Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Not scared at all. Why be scared of empty threats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquid Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 using the avatar i made are u, lolne ways, me no scared :D i like this avatar a lot...thank you. :p if you mind i can change it, i don't have a problem with that. i made it for ppl to use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djgramma Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Consumers are in control, we just don't know it yet. Many times I see fear in the oppositions eyes when they go against a "bad apple" in the orchard of a nation. Many times I see that fear fade once they see the fear in their oppositions eyes (a sane opposition at that) Many times justice cannot rule over $$$, and I emphasize $$$. So, what are we to do? The answer is pure and simple: riot. lol or go back to the good ol' days of guillotines and hanging. Why can't we see this power? Same reason we can't see that these big companies can easily wipe us out if they wanted to. $$$ We are the consumers, so we are driven to buy. Unfortunately this means that "good" things cost excessively more than they should really be. What I can't understand is why they won't compromise for their sake. They are rotting the consumers, and one day the cash flow will stop. As the prices go up, the number of units sold go down. Stupid logicality but that's how stupid businesses work. They think that whatever increases from us, should increase as we get it back. Not, whatever is compromised, should benefit both the consumer and business. Both sides need to be satisfied or else both will suffer and we're back to square one here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altezza Veteran Posted July 30, 2003 Veteran Share Posted July 30, 2003 Occassionally I used P2P but as soon as file downloading is complete I will move the file into different folders...and I never will to share it to others. Enough said ;) I may broke the rules for downloading copyrighted materials but since I don't redistribute/share the copyrighted materials to others, I am not held liable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazerBack Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Not at all, I rarely use any P2P programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circaflex Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 pffttt RIAA who? I aint scared of them one bit pffffft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob.derosa Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 On a scale of 1 to 10? -5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpablo Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 riaa can lick my balls for all i care. They can lick my a**hole :devil: :alien: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpablo Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 60 Million Americans , that's alot of voters and consumers. Time to stop buying CD's, just buy from artists websites directly. Bypass the RIAA and also dont vote for any politician who supports the RIAA (mostly Democrat Senators) Republicans seem too wanna stay out of this issue and besides most artists are democrats anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inertia Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 I share, i use p2p, i download, and i also buy original cd`s of bands I like, I would say my situation is pretty typical, and there are too many people like me for the RIAA to handle the situation, they are startign a fight that they will loose, I do take precautions against them, but im not worried at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 A little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargantuan Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 It's funny when people talk about that. I don't use P2P programs. Only at work. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcb Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 youll get caught by riaa only if: a) you live in america b) you upload a pooload of music to peers (i.e. leechers get off scott free) c) helps to be on a university campus on which you are a prominent pirate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMayhem Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 youll get caught by riaa only if:a) you live in america b) you upload a pooload of music to peers (i.e. leechers get off scott free) c) helps to be on a university campus on which you are a prominent pirate You can get caught anyway, they just are only going after those people :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+primortal Subscriber² Posted August 1, 2003 Subscriber² Share Posted August 1, 2003 How come the RIAA doesn't go after stores (and even websites like amazon) that re-sell used music CD's? Aren't they missing their cut when some one buys a used cds? The RIAA created there own downfall and now they are putting the final nail in their coffin.... To bad the artists are too stupid to see the light.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjordan2001 Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 How come the RIAA doesn't go after stores (and even websites like amazon) that re-sell used music CD's? Aren't they missing their cut when some one buys a used cds? The RIAA created there own downfall and now they are putting the final nail in their coffin.... To bad the artists are too stupid to see the light.... They already got their cut for that CD when the first person bought it. Why would they need a cut out of every sale? So if I sell a friend a CD, I should send a portion of it to the RIAA? :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+primortal Subscriber² Posted August 1, 2003 Subscriber² Share Posted August 1, 2003 They already got their cut for that CD when the first person bought it. Why would they need a cut out of every sale? So if I sell a friend a CD, I should send a portion of it to the RIAA? :laugh: The RIAA is complaining that they are loosing sales cause of MP3's that is being freely being distributed correct? But the MP3's (which were cut from cd) were previously bought by someone else so the RIAA got their cut of the initial sale. Same goes for used cd's they were initialy bought by some one, RIAA got their cut and then CD was resold to someone else minus the RIAA cut. That same CD potental can be resold a number of times without paying the RIAA. So what I am saying that the RIAA is allowing used cd's to be sold and resold without question, but mp3s are the devil, i see no difference in the two.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidd0 Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 I think it's safe to say they're scared of me :) (Not at all) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Eighty Eighth Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 I just download whatever comes to mind, and that's prolly 3 songs a day (and they take at least four hours to get on dialup) but FTP should fix RIAA troubles. 4 hours, for 3 songs wtf? when i was on 28.8k, i could easily download 50Mb in that time. i'm in Australia so i don't care - P2P every second :shifty: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAcOdIn Veteran Posted August 1, 2003 Veteran Share Posted August 1, 2003 The RIAA is complaining that they are loosing sales cause of MP3's that is being freely being distributed correct? But the MP3's (which were cut from cd) were previously bought by someone else so the RIAA got their cut of the initial sale. Same goes for used cd's they were initialy bought by some one, RIAA got their cut and then CD was resold to someone else minus the RIAA cut. That same CD potental can be resold a number of times without paying the RIAA. So what I am saying that the RIAA is allowing used cd's to be sold and resold without question, but mp3s are the devil, i see no difference in the two.... The argument for used CD's is that only one person has in possesion at one time the CD. It is legal to sell a cd, but not legal to buy a cd make a copy of the cd and then selld the cd. So it is assumed that if you sell the cd you no longer have the cd. MP3's differ because one person has the cd, and many people get what they want from it for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djgramma Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 MP3 technology should've been used to preview songs, so that you can get a better understanding of what an album sounds like so you can buy it. Unfortunately, people go overboard and think this is replacing CD's and the hard copy. I would like to see the RIAA sue people over sharing WAVs instead of MP3s, since MP3's are a copy (an elaborate yet downsized copy) of the real thing. This is what I treat MP3's this is what I don't want to replace CD's. Of course CD's haven't replaced vinyl either, for all that I know they just enhanced the appeal of it for DJ's (since we don't like low quality) I like MP3's because of the convinience of previewing the music over and over again, holding me over until I find the high quality version on CD so I can satisfy the stupid RIAA's greed. Another thing I like about it is it brings out the generosity in everyone. Those who use p2p software are the gems of the earth, sharing to over 3 million friends takes alot of trust not to mention compassion towards others. I tip my hat to y'all. The RIAA could learn a thing or two from us. :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 MP3 technology should've been used to preview songs, so that you can get a better understanding of what an album sounds like so you can buy it. Unfortunately, people go overboard and think this is replacing CD's and the hard copy. I would like to see the RIAA sue people over sharing WAVs instead of MP3s, since MP3's are a copy (an elaborate yet downsized copy) of the real thing. This is what I treat MP3's this is what I don't want to replace CD's. Of course CD's haven't replaced vinyl either, for all that I know they just enhanced the appeal of it for DJ's (since we don't like low quality)I like MP3's because of the convinience of previewing the music over and over again, holding me over until I find the high quality version on CD so I can satisfy the stupid RIAA's greed. Another thing I like about it is it brings out the generosity in everyone. Those who use p2p software are the gems of the earth, sharing to over 3 million friends takes alot of trust not to mention compassion towards others. I tip my hat to y'all. The RIAA could learn a thing or two from us. :whistle: Not all people who share music share the same mindset. That just commits a fallacy where you assume that since on shares music, they have a generous attitude. There are those (the majority) who use kazaa just to get music for free. These people can be considered Teenage girls who don't know what filesharing is but heard about the app and use it and other novices of the like. Moreover, people should stop thinking of MP3's as being tangible. We can't physically touch the data (The 010000's) of the music, and hence there is no such thing as "how many copies do you make", what the RIAA is targeting, is the principle: letting people download the music from you is stealing, even though you consent to it, the property and copyright of the MP3 belongs to someone else. Thats almost like buying a recipe, and then giving it away online for free. Once again, I don't support the RIAA, but you should only be fighting against them if you have a legit reason, and "because I need to download my music for free" isn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 That still doesn't change the fact that stealing songs is wrong. Yeah, fine, you might be getting a better economy, but you used wrong means to get to it. Even if the motive of the RIAA were to get money, one of the things they are trying to stop is the stealing of songs, which is a noble venture.No matter what benefits come out of a situation, if it were attained by doing something wrong, it stays wrong. If killing one innocent man meant the society would be 10x richer, that still doesn't change the fact that killing one innocent man is wrong. I'm strictly looking to this from a "means-based" perspective, fine I can see economical benefits, but they would be attained through unethical means. What about CDs being priced at $19.99 CND for two decades. What about CDs labelled "imports" priced at $34.99 CND for a decade. (Most of my rap collection are imports) The RIAA were stealing your money for decades and now the tables have turned and you take their side? If you you kill a serial killer, is that so wrong? Thats whats going on here...yet you have the audacity to think them to be noble in what they do? Talk about messed up. Corporations have spent billions in picking apart your brain to get your money and you defend them? People like you are the problem with society. People who feel these companies are doing you a favour. We as consumers should be in control. With our combined power, we are stronger then any government or corporation. We should be setting the standards and not be wrangled like sheep... Well said :) I'm not defending the RIAA, read a post for god's sake. I'm defending the principle that Stealing is Wrong, I think your mother taught your that when you were a little boy. The question you pose about killing a serial killer is a classic flaw in Deontology, congratulations. However, I do not see how we are killing a serial killer here, or saving lives from stealing songs. Moreover, the economic benefits are merely superficial, once again, there has only been 1-2 instances where CD sales have increased, however, there hasn't been anything consistent. If stealing music saved lives, then screw morality, let steal it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baigley Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Is the RIAA hanging around Neowin? The RIAA can EAT ME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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