My take on Linux as a 'newbeh'

[Udedenkz]

glxinfo | grep rendering

Spoiled Windows/Mac user response: what?

But I will entertain you,

~$ glxinfo | grep rendering

direct rendering: Yes

Radeon 4250 HD Mobile. I know ATI GPUs are de-facto worst for video playback, but should still work considering that it is a vid ripped from youtube. I could tell something was not right as the CPU usage was not <10%, I also went with the assumption that Ubuntu actually installed correct ATi drivers. PM me if you have an actual fix.

Maybe I should add a few takes on Linux from my perspective (Spoiled, everything must work, W7 user)

Not for people that hate UAC asking permission, Ubuntu requires your password to install anything, manage wireless connections, etc.

Password. There is no opt-out option. A password free environment is more efficient IMO, porn goes into hidden folder called private in the pictures library, no issues.

Dirty startup and shutdown. Text to Graphic, Text to Graphic. Some weird things that look like errors.

Resuming from hibernation gives you a blinking cursor in the top left corner - no way to know if it is stuck or how much time is remaining.

Laptop Battery (Estimating...) -> I would like to know my percentage thank you very much.

Wireless network list does not start from the network with the HIGHEST STRENGTH.

Primitive fatness of the user interface. That is little information in lots of space (that is the stuff takes up lots of screen space shows little), where the default programs in Windows do use their space wisely and do not waste it anywhere as much. Also inconsistency, the top and bottom bars should be about 90% wider to match the rest of the interface.

I was not able to install Adobe Reader from the Software Center (no install button), eventually got it through package manager. NOW software center has option to uninstal it.

Huge file for Flash Player (which I could install from the software center) compared to Windows - feels horribly bloated.

Having options withdrawal - most software has little configuration options as if it is all designed by Google Chrome development team.

I have NOT used Ubuntu long enough to comment further.

B4 I tried Ubuntu 8 - Gave up when max refresh rate was 58Hz on a 60Hz minimum monitor (From what I understood, I had to manually adjust horizontal and vertical refresh rates in some text document). Ubuntu 9 - gave up due to poor sound during video playback, no Video acceleration (that time I tried a bunch of players and even checked something in one but it gave me an error).

[tablet_user]

I recently installed Ubuntu 10.10 and I have to say, I still have no bloody idea how to enable video acceleration.

I have installed the drivers and downloaded the codecs - this is all that is needed for W7.

The Media Player doesn't seem to have any options relating to this, unlike in WMP.

what codecs are needed in W7? I have yet to install a codec to watch any videos i download.

[ncc50446]

I don't know Ubuntu, as I don't like it, but I know with Mandriva, it shows the Wireless according to strength, and shows the battery life as a percent, and time remaining.

As for flash, it's not that much bigger...4.7 megs for the rpm, and 2.2 megs for Windows 7 exe.

As for the passwords, you can log into root, and have full access. Bad idea however...

Hibernation could be a driver problem. With mine, the laptop reboots...Thing is, it does the same thing with Windows 7 lol

[Udedenkz]

what codecs are needed in W7? I have yet to install a codec to watch any videos i download.

My bad. I meant MPC:HC for MKVs.

Other things one might install are CoreAVC and Haali.

[Flawed]

~$ glxinfo | grep rendering

direct rendering: Yes

It's already enabled. There are however multiple drivers available for ATI chips. The proprietary fglx, and the two open source drivers, xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu default), and radeonhd. If you are unhappy with the default, you can always try the alternate open source driver, or the proprietary one. A caveat of course is that some of them might not support your chip. Check to make sure your chip is supported before testing.

Radeon 4250 HD Mobile. I know ATI GPUs are de-facto worst for video playback

That used to be the case long ago, but no longer. Chips/Cards that are fully supported by the drivers, work just as well as their nvidia counterparts.

but should still work considering that it is a vid ripped from youtube. I could tell something was not right as the CPU usage was not <10%

I'm assuming you are talking about flv encoded videos. I've seen cpu hogging flv videos on my own machine, which is very fast. It can be due to encoding, or the versions of codecs used. To be sure, try playing an xvid/avi container file. Those kind of videos shouldn't use much cpu with direct rendering (acceleration) enabled.

Oh, and by the way, you don't even have to use a browser to view youtube videos, you can do it directly inside the default video player application (Totem Movie Player). Just use the Edit->Plugins, and side bar to configure it. Then just search for and playback youtube from the comfort of Ubuntu ;)

I also went with the assumption that Ubuntu actually installed correct ATi drivers. PM me if you have an actual fix.

It does and did, that's why you have direct rendering (acceleration) enabled by default. You can test the current driver's rendering performance with: glxgears . Again, if you aren't happy with the default driver, you can try one of the others.

Not for people that hate UAC asking permission, Ubuntu requires your password to install anything, manage wireless connections, etc.

Any system level changes (installing applications, system settings) require you to authenticate. I'm not talking about clicking a button, "are you sure?" Microsoft pseudo security, I mean real user authentication with a password.

Password. There is no opt-out option. A password free environment is more efficient IMO, porn goes into hidden folder called private in the pictures library, no issues.

Depends what password you are talking about? The authentication required for making root level system changes, or a Gnome Keyring password. The former is not optional, but the latter is. Just leave the Gnome Keyring password blank when you press "create" if you don't want a master password for all application passwords, and don't mind using unsafe storage. If you already created one, you can delete it in System->Preferences->Passwords and Encryption Keys.

Laptop Battery (Estimating...) -> I would like to know my percentage thank you very much.

Probably due to your manufacturer not following the ACPI spec properly. That's what happens when OEM's only support one platform (Windows).

Primitive fatness of the user interface. That is little information in lots of space (that is the stuff takes up lots of screen space shows little), where the default programs in Windows do use their space wisely and do not waste it anywhere as much. Also inconsistency, the top and bottom bars should be about 90% wider to match the rest of the interface.

Haha. And Windows has UI consistency? You are joking right? I think Windows is the perfect example of UI inconsistency. Even Microsoft's own software doesn't adhere to its guidelines. That's why Office, Windows Media Player, Internet Explorer look nothing like each other, or other software. Gnome and KDE offer a far greater level of integration and consistency of applications than Windows ever has.

I was not able to install Adobe Reader from the Software Center (no install button), eventually got it through package manager. NOW software center has option to uninstal it. Huge file for Flash Player (which I could install from the software center) compared to Windows - feels horribly bloated.

If you click the "More info button", or double click the item, it displays a button called "Use This Source". The reason being that it's a third party source (Adobe). Besides, why do you even need to install that? The default document viewer (Evince) can display all manner of documents, including PDF, without even installing an application, unlike in Windows.

ubuntu-restricted-extras . That package pretty much installs everything proprietary that you'll ever want - mp3 codecs, video codecs, java, flash, TrueTyoe. Compared to Windows, this is a blessing.

Having options withdrawal - most software has little configuration options as if it is all designed by Google Chrome development team.

I have NOT used Ubuntu long enough to comment further.

GNU/Linux has a philosophy called "One app one function", id est, do one thing and do it well. Most applications don't need hundreds of options. And you'll find, there are config files for more advanced features. This avoids bloat and keeps the application focused on its objective.

It's obvious to me that you know little about Ubuntu or Linux in general, neither have you tried to learn the system, rather, you played with it for an hour, it didn't behave identically to your beloved Windows 7, and so you have now declared your hatred for it. Is that about right? I wish I had a fail poster for this lol.

[Udedenkz]

Alright it is enabled. So what is the issue?

Scaling, color conversion, and decoding are all GPU tasks. An .MP4 ripped from youtube which contains in-spec high profile h264 video should work just fine.

You are implying I need to experiment with drivers, how about simple test whether or not the video is actually accelerated by the player? Is that possible? (MPC has "Playing DXVA" on XP/V/7)

No this is very wrong. All three GPU makers can play in-spec H264 and AVC. Nvidia cannot play high FPS rate HD video. ATi has issues with out of spec video {possible they don't want pirates buying their GPUs?}. Intel is... Intel. Source: doom9 forum, personal testing (Video stuttering lagging badly while playing just fine on NV ION, Intel 4500).

FLV is a container. If you rip something from YT as FLV it should be H264... AVI is a legacy format which mostly is XVID/DIVX, rarely H264, thus it will be the most CPU intensive - most GPUs do not support those video formats.

That is a valid suggestion considering that Adobe Flash's comments on Linux HW APIs.

Unless it changed form Ubuntu 9, it is not a video acceleration test.

Yes that is an issue for a personal install. One password is good enough. This default level of security is discouraging. People b**ch and complain about UAC driver (I removed it for example), so this is ten thousand times worse.

That is something that I am scratching my head and going "what the ****?", the password thing is rather confusing I say. I did read up on that, just haven't figured out how to actually fix that issue.

I think the new dock shows it properly. I mean it visually displayed the correct amount and warned me at 10% but it just refused to tell me the PERCENTAGE remaining. The other issue is simply due to lack of Linux penetration.

That would be massive trolling 101. Linux does not have an image associated with it of an interface. All Microsoft applications work together well. Sure they are not all Windows Realism standard, but they all fit together nicely. The interface is not that customizable, but it is polished and fine tuned to the extreme. It all fits together nicely, MS Office 2007, IE9, WMP. Still Chrome is the worst example or sore thumb on both systems {No I didn't install it}.

Yes I did press that button. It actually visually doesn't do anything. I just found it in package manager. FF4 refused to open PDFs and wanted to save them instead - that is why. I think I did get the restricted extras too.

Good applications simply hide their advanced functionality from the user and appear simple. For example Windows Explorer for W7 - to access the advanced customization you need to press the alt key, same behavior for IE9 which gives you a massive amount of options to ticker with! Config files are alright, but they should be secondary source for changes. Just like on Windows, you can either go to regedit and modify the registry to display hidden files or folders or press alt and go to options in explorer and do it. The unwillingness to have multiple access points for the same configuration is simply an issue of a sick mindset.

Well from your post (1) you are not aware of the differences between GPUs in their video playback capabilities (2) you have an odd understanding of containers. I spent more time that an hour in Ubuntu, it takes longer than that to get something that looks DECENT - then, and only then, can you actually start using it. And still, AWN applets look ugly as hell - the battery icon is a prime example. Oh and don't get me started on the fonts, it is not like I have any clue what fonts W7 uses to configure the system settings, I think I selected Times New Roman - it looks more decent that it did when it was installed. Oh and the whole Windows 2000 style main menu, did manage to slim it down a notch, but it still reminds me of Windows classic start menu {old technology}. And I lost ALT-F2 functionality along the way somehow. Ubuntu is like a wrecked car with dead rotting body inside, you need to repair it and clean it to use it without stabbing yourself in disgust.

That is all.

[08993]

Neowin should close the linux forums, every thread is full of flames and there's only a handful of linux users left, and they all seem to use ubuntu so I get to read the same old criticisms over and over again.

Seriously, linux forums on a windows site is like a "throw the wet sponge at the clown" game.

[ViperAFK]

Its very unlikely that you will be able to get video acceleration working with an ati card right now. There is a way to do it using vaapi and special mplayer builds, but it is a huge PIA to setup and does not work very well yet. http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19983&page=106

The only way to get good video acceleration in linux right now is an nvidia card. It is supposedly in the works for the oss drivers, and I am sure it will come eventually in fglrx as well.

[vhane]

Alright it is enabled. So what is the issue?

Scaling, color conversion, and decoding are all GPU tasks. An .MP4 ripped from youtube which contains in-spec high profile h264 video should work just fine.

You are implying I need to experiment with drivers, how about simple test whether or not the video is actually accelerated by the player? Is that possible? (MPC has "Playing DXVA" on XP/V/7)

No this is very wrong. All three GPU makers can play in-spec H264 and AVC. Nvidia cannot play high FPS rate HD video. ATi has issues with out of spec video {possible they don't want pirates buying their GPUs?}. Intel is... Intel. Source: doom9 forum, personal testing (Video stuttering lagging badly while playing just fine on NV ION, Intel 4500).

FLV is a container. If you rip something from YT as FLV it should be H264... AVI is a legacy format which mostly is XVID/DIVX, rarely H264, thus it will be the most CPU intensive - most GPUs do not support those video formats.

That is a valid suggestion considering that Adobe Flash's comments on Linux HW APIs.

Unless it changed form Ubuntu 9, it is not a video acceleration test.

Yes that is an issue for a personal install. One password is good enough. This default level of security is discouraging. People b**ch and complain about UAC driver (I removed it for example), so this is ten thousand times worse.

That is something that I am scratching my head and going "what the ****?", the password thing is rather confusing I say. I did read up on that, just haven't figured out how to actually fix that issue.

I think the new dock shows it properly. I mean it visually displayed the correct amount and warned me at 10% but it just refused to tell me the PERCENTAGE remaining. The other issue is simply due to lack of Linux penetration.

That would be massive trolling 101. Linux does not have an image associated with it of an interface. All Microsoft applications work together well. Sure they are not all Windows Realism standard, but they all fit together nicely. The interface is not that customizable, but it is polished and fine tuned to the extreme. It all fits together nicely, MS Office 2007, IE9, WMP. Still Chrome is the worst example or sore thumb on both systems {No I didn't install it}.

Yes I did press that button. It actually visually doesn't do anything. I just found it in package manager. FF4 refused to open PDFs and wanted to save them instead - that is why. I think I did get the restricted extras too.

Good applications simply hide their advanced functionality from the user and appear simple. For example Windows Explorer for W7 - to access the advanced customization you need to press the alt key, same behavior for IE9 which gives you a massive amount of options to ticker with! Config files are alright, but they should be secondary source for changes. Just like on Windows, you can either go to regedit and modify the registry to display hidden files or folders or press alt and go to options in explorer and do it. The unwillingness to have multiple access points for the same configuration is simply an issue of a sick mindset.

Well from your post (1) you are not aware of the differences between GPUs in their video playback capabilities (2) you have an odd understanding of containers. I spent more time that an hour in Ubuntu, it takes longer than that to get something that looks DECENT - then, and only then, can you actually start using it. And still, AWN applets look ugly as hell - the battery icon is a prime example. Oh and don't get me started on the fonts, it is not like I have any clue what fonts W7 uses to configure the system settings, I think I selected Times New Roman - it looks more decent that it did when it was installed. Oh and the whole Windows 2000 style main menu, did manage to slim it down a notch, but it still reminds me of Windows classic start menu {old technology}. And I lost ALT-F2 functionality along the way somehow. Ubuntu is like a wrecked car with dead rotting body inside, you need to repair it and clean it to use it without stabbing yourself in disgust.

That is all.

tl;dr I am used to Windows, and I like the way it works better.

Windows has quite a few things going for it. UI consistency isn't really one of them. Windows, where taste went to die.

[Udedenkz]

@Above,

The pictures on the other hand do not use glass (transparency), MS apps would look better with it. Applications are not under any form of totalitarian dictatorship to follow the same style . Many of them being examples of 3rd party apps I have not even heard of. WMP looks fine. The most impressive thing about WMP is that it has no interface when you don't need a bloody interface, thus saving lots of room. I don't get the other complaints in the article, for example the DLL loading is proper Windows functionality without which the modding community would suffer.

The main thing with Ubuntu is that instead of having a compact interface that doesn't waste screen space, they compensate by providing multiple workspaces. Windows is the other way around, it provides one workspace by default but is compact and easy on the eyes. To each his own.

Current issues / comments,

1. Washed out video colors in Totem. I needs either 0-255 or 16-235 for quality, video seems like 50-235. Will try to reset setting. VLC laggs massively w. V-Sync issues, dark colors - will try to reset setting and try again.

2. Was prompted that PIXMA iP3000 drivers were not available.

3. Memory usage doesn't go down. I am not sure whether this is a feature or a memory leak. 1.3 GB memory usage w. nothing open.

4. No more SSH through ****ing Putty.

5. Had something freeze on me, had to kill the python process behind it. No freeze detection?

Its very unlikely that you will be able to get video acceleration working with an ati card right now. There is a way to do it using vaapi and special mplayer builds, but it is a huge PIA to setup and does not work very well yet. http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19983&page=106

The only way to get good video acceleration in linux right now is an nvidia card. It is supposedly in the works for the oss drivers, and I am sure it will come eventually in fglrx as well.

That, that is horribly complicated, but thank you for the answer.

That would be all.

EDIT: As in, unless you reply to this post, I will add nothing to this thread.

Edited December 7, 2010 by Udedenkz

[ViperAFK]

@Above,

The pictures on the other hand do not use glass (transparency), MS apps would look better with it. Applications are not under any form of totalitarian dictatorship to follow the same style . Many of them being examples of 3rd party apps I have not even heard of. WMP looks fine. The most impressive thing about WMP is that it has no interface when you don't need a bloody interface, thus saving lots of room. I don't get the other complaints in the article, for example the DLL loading is proper Windows functionality without which the modding community would suffer.

The main thing with Ubuntu is that instead of having a compact interface that doesn't waste screen space, they compensate by providing multiple workspaces. Windows is the other way around, it provides one workspace by default but is compact and easy on the eyes. To each his own.

Current issues / comments,

1. Washed out video colors in Totem. I needs either 0-255 or 16-235 for quality, video seems like 50-235. Will try to reset setting. VLC laggs massively w. V-Sync issues, dark colors - will try to reset setting and try again.

2. Was prompted that PIXMA iP3000 drivers were not available.

3. Memory usage doesn't go down. I am not sure whether this is a feature or a memory leak. 1.3 GB memory usage w. nothing open.

4. No more SSH through ****ing Putty.

5. Had something freeze on me, had to kill the python process behind it. No freeze detection?

That, that is horribly complicated, but thank you for the answer.

That would be all.

EDIT: As in, unless you reply to this post, I will add nothing to this thread.

I totally agree man, the situation for video acceleration in linux is a total mess. I actually just tried getting xvba and vaapi working on my ubuntu install, after hours of ****ing around getting the right versions of libva and such installed so vlc with vaapi enabled would load vaapi successfully without segfaulting, the video output was a garbled mess and cpu usage was still 20% (720p h.264) :pinch:

[Udedenkz]

I have to take back my comments on VLC being slow, it is fast compared to Totem media player. And the other issue went away with the correct g-streamer settings.

I still cannot play my 1080p videos smoothly in either player - VLC manages about half the frames, Totem gets unstuck from time to time.

I totally agree man, the situation for video acceleration in linux is a total mess. I actually just tried getting xvba and vaapi working on my ubuntu install, after hours of ****ing around getting the right versions of libva and such installed so vlc with vaapi enabled would load vaapi successfully without segfaulting, the video output was a garbled mess and cpu usage was still 20% (720p h.264) :pinch:

And here I thought getting rid of MPC:HC stuttering with Full Floating Point processing and 10-bit RGB was hard work!

[ichi]

Yeah, video acceleration is a mess.

It seems to be quite straight forward if you have an nvidia card though (and nvidia card that supports video acceleration, that is, because mine doesn't :( ).

3. Memory usage doesn't go down. I am not sure whether this is a feature or a memory leak. 1.3 GB memory usage w. nothing open.

1.3 GB counting buffers/cached, or without those? Cached memory won't go down if it would otherwise be free memory.

[Udedenkz]

One more important issue (doesn't warrant a thread), I don't think my hard drive will last long in Ubuntu.

It is singing (noisy; chirping) tunes whenever something loads. I rarely if ever hear my HD in Windows, even when defragmenting (my fan on the other hand is loud).

Googled solution pretty much tells me to kill my battery life.

1.3 GB counting buffers/cached, or without those? Cached memory won't go down if it would otherwise be free memory.

This was from System Monitor. I am going to assume it displayed the total memory usage.

[vhane]

This was from System Monitor. I am going to assume it displayed the total memory usage.

Like Windows' SuperFetch, Linux will cache memory. Doesn't mean that the processes are using up all of it.

[Darrian]

All the games I play do work in Linux. Halo, ET, Europa Universalis, Starcraft 2, and Doom 3. I'd say a pretty good cross section of popular games run on Linux.

The only game I saw on that list that isn't ancient in gamer terms is Starcraft 2. Of course older games will work well, they've had a lot of time to attempt to make them compatible and the requirements to run them aren't as high so they don't need the latest Direct X.

[Flawed]

The only game I saw on that list that isn't ancient in gamer terms is Starcraft 2. Of course older games will work well, they've had a lot of time to attempt to make them compatible and the requirements to run them aren't as high so they don't need the latest Direct X.

Doom 3 is the latest in the series. The Linux client came at the same time as the windows version. Europa Universalis' recently released HTTT and the upcoming Divine Wind are all new additions to the game. I also like to play C&C 3, and Supreme Commander sometimes - all very recent games. The argument that Linux can't run modern games is a fallacious one. Just like - "The Gimp isn't as good as Photoshop for the casual user", or "you have to use the command line". All platitudinous fallacies.

[bjoswald]

Doom 3 is the latest in the series. The Linux client came at the same time as the windows version. Europa Universalis' recently released HTTT and the upcoming Divine Wind are all new additions to the game. I also like to play C&C 3, and Supreme Commander sometimes - all very recent games. The argument that Linux can't run modern games is a fallacious one. Just like - "The Gimp isn't as good as Photoshop for the casual user", or "you have to use the command line". All platitudinous fallacies.

While I'm not much of a gamer anymore, it's hard to convince gamers to make the switch from Windows to Linux. Most modern games that can be played run like dog **** or have game-breaking problems. Seems like the only ones that work well are the ones older than dirt, and that's because nostalgia fans tinkered with them long enough to figure it out.

[TDT]

I'm posting this question here, as there's no need to open a new topic just for it. I have an annoying issue on Linux Mint. After enabling the proprietary ATI driver and restarting, there seem to be no way to choose the primary monitor. I have a 19'' one (that I want to use as primary) and and LCD tv as the second one. For some reason, the damn OS sees the tv as the primary one. I tried using the Monitors config tool and made the smaller one Default, but it doesn't work. And there's no option in the Ati control panel (like in nvidia cp - why on earth did I get a ati card???? ).

Any help, please? :(

[WHS]

I have read this thread with great interest. I am also an Ubuntu newbie with which I toy around in Virtual box since a few weeks. I like this setup because I can switch seemlessly between Windows7 and Ubuntu. I oftern use the Windows tools for the Vbox Ubuntu (e.g. the Windows snipping tool).

Ubuntu is quite snappy even though it runs virtual and I have given it only 1GB of RAM. Firefox was very slow but I fixed that by switching to Chrome which is fast.

I don't think I would use Ubuntu or any Linux for serious work. The applications I have tried look a bit like they came from the flee market. Only Gimp which I use since a long time is good as ususal. Even Open Office which is not bad for the money cannot compete with Office 2010.

With some help from this forum, I even managed to accomplish something in Terminal. I use cmd a lot in Windows but Terminal needs some getting used to. I also tried to get some help from the Ubuntu forum, but they are useless. There must not be many people around.

I will keep Ubuntu around, but I am too much of a windows fan to switch.

[soldier1st]

Neowin should close the linux forums, every thread is full of flames and there's only a handful of linux users left, and they all seem to use ubuntu so I get to read the same old criticisms over and over again.

Seriously, linux forums on a windows site is like a "throw the wet sponge at the clown" game.

every forum is like that so if you don't like it then either don't visit the linux part of the forums or just accept it and move on.

[Growled Member]

I don't think I would use Ubuntu or any Linux for serious work. The applications I have tried look a bit like they came from the flee market. Only Gimp which I use since a long time is good as ususal. Even Open Office which is not bad for the money cannot compete with Office 2010.

And yet many millions do use it for serious work every day. It depends on what you need. Once you get pass the learning curve (which is fairly steep) you can do anything in Linux that you can in Windows.

[.Neo]

And yet many millions do use it for serious work every day. It depends on what you need. Once you get pass the learning curve (which is fairly steep) you can do anything in Linux that you can in Windows.

That depends on what you mean by "anything". So far I haven't been able to remotely recreate the presentations I make with Apple's Keynote on Ubuntu for example. Nor have I found a proper InDesign replacement. While I'm impressed by how good Ubuntu itself has become I find the quality of applications extremely lacking.

Running applications in Wine defeats the purpose of using Linux in my opinion. I don't want Windows applications to run on Mac OS X Snow Leopard either. Instead I want native applications that are actually written for the operating system they run on, with its design in mind and integrate properly...

[Growled Member]

That depends on what you mean by "anything". So far I haven't been able to remotely recreate the presentations I make with Apple's Keynote on Ubuntu for example. Nor have I found a proper InDesign replacement. While I'm impressed by how good Ubuntu itself has become I find the quality of applications extremely lacking.

You won't find those high quality apps in Linux I'm afraid, so people who need that should use another OS. However, if you don't need those apps, then they could use Scribus for an InDesign replacement. I'm sure there is a way to remotely recreate a presentation but I wouldn't have a clue because I've never done that. I doubt it will be an elegant solution, however.

[.Neo]

To me using Linux is like camping outdoors: You have to make do with a bare minimum and don't expect everything will turn out great.