rajputwarrior Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I'm honestly not sure what keeps me from calling this at least a bit of racist... Built quality, can mean: MagSafe connector Alumium case Backlit keyboard High-end monitors (among with Dell) Overall better design Running Mac OS X (properly & supported) (I have a hackingtosh, I don't care about not updating it, because it's a hassle and it failed me several times leaving it unbootable (kernel panic), but boy am I happy my main computer is a legit iMac) - Not a pro for everyone, granted, but once you really come to like it, you might see this is a valuable pro aspect :) superior battery life etc Glassed Silver:lin this! don't look at straight hardware. look at the full specs then compare it properly to a PC laptop which no one has yet to do in this thread yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrix XII Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 rajputwarrior = I own a Macbook :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 If I could have got a Windows notebook at the start of 2009 with Glass covered display, very large high quality trackpad, magsafe power connector, backlight keyboard, 8 hour battery life with a 1920x1200 17" display under 6.7 Pounds in weight I would have bought that instead. But Apple is the only company that offered that. In a laptop I don't really care about having the latest processor or 8GB of memory or a killer graphics card. Although in my Mac when I bought it at the time it had the latest CPU out and does have 8GB memory support. What I really care about is the features that are important to me like I just mentioned above and these are things that other makers just seem to keep out and instead spend the customers money on raw hardware performance. Am I the only person who doesn't want a power hungry and hot Quad Core in their laptop or a really noisy Graphics chip? I like my Laptop to run completely silently and my MacBook Pro does that for me, I'm definitely happy to pay what it's worth and I don't feel it's overpriced in the slightest. Also when I bought this I did check out all the major PC players. Asus, Acer, Alienware, Dell, HP, Lenovo and so on and so forth. Nightkrawler and Minimoose 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Gibs Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 don't look at straight hardware. look at the full specs then compare it properly to a PC laptop which no one has yet to do in this thread yet... Um it really boils down to what you want from your laptop...for me thats better hardware, and most windows laptops give me that, often for $1000 cheaper than a somewhat equivalent macbook pro (17in, and well MBP only have dual core i7s). And yeh while the macbook pro has a better battery life (when you use OSX) compared to a lot of Windows ones, I'd still rather have a removable one...at least I can carry around a spare (if needed) and if my battery ever fails, I can easily replace it...without having to send it into Apple and pay like $180 to get it replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajputwarrior Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 rajputwarrior = I own a Macbook :p :p and for the $900 canadian i paid for the current gen macbook, you are not going to find a better PC laptop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treemonster Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Also the ability to run all three major's OS without a problem... this always makes me scratch my head. if you run OSX you may want to run windows for apps that simply do not exist on OSX or do not have equivalents. if you're an OS enthusiast you've probably tinkered with linux once or twice at least. if you run windows as your primary OS there's no reason to even want OSX on your pc, except as an OS enthusiast, in which case you are built your own computer to run hackintosh ina ddition to windows and linux and haven't paid the apple tax. there's not much in the way of exclusives apps for OSX that don't have superior windows equivalents. and windows versions of apps that have OSX versions often much better on windows and have greater hardware support, as well as windows generally utilizing modern hardware better anyway with better drivers from manufacturers. oh and bootcamp has it's own set of problems i forget the details of in relation to windows. forget what it was exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajputwarrior Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Um it really boils down to what you want from your laptop...for me thats better hardware, and most windows laptops give me that, often for $1000 cheaper than a somewhat equivalent macbook pro (17in, and well MBP only have dual core i7s). And yeh while the macbook pro has a better battery life (when you use OSX) compared to a lot of Windows ones, I'd still rather have a removable one...at least I can carry around a spare (if needed) and if my battery ever fails, I can easily replace it...without having to send it into Apple and pay like $180 to get it replaced. and i agree with what you said. it all comes down to what you want, but you can just compare a random PC laptop and a macbook pro... you have to look at the whole picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S. Veteran Posted January 5, 2011 Veteran Share Posted January 5, 2011 Absolutely not.. with Apple it's not you get what you pay for sorry.. same software issues, same crashes only different messages.. the hardware is the same.. the only thing you do get with Mac is nice design.. but then again I can't say that other PC manufacturers don't make very nice hardware too.. sure there' smore garbage but that's naturally considering the size of market..Windows 7 is in every way superior to OSX.. and I use OSX these days almost exclusively for work. Apple is raising prices instead of lowering.. and people just justify paying a premium price.. This is why 90% of the Apple fanboys have this mentality that their Apple hardware and everything from Apple is so much better. Because they have this illusion they are then better than others.. you can see it daily in interactions with people who use Apple products in general. I guess that's why it's so annoying.. you pay tons of money for something that really costs 2-3 times less and then you have to go around crapping on everyone else to justify being an idiot and spending $3k on a laptop that is actually underperforming a $800 Windows 7 laptop. But I guess that's a disease and personal issue not the reality. The price has absolutely nothing to do with my knowing it's a far better/easier/less frustrating experience than anything that ever came out of Redmond. It's the time I've spent with Windows, and still am forced to at work, compared to the last 7 +/- years in OS X that ensured I'll be buying Macs as long as they make them. Viruses, strangely enough. Yes, Macs get them too. Just not often. Really? Got a source from somewhere that isn't trying to sell a product? Vice, rajputwarrior, Brian and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Matrix XII Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 :p and for the $900 canadian i paid for the current gen macbook, you are not going to find a better PC laptop. Yessss, I was correct :D lolz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveLegg Developer Posted January 5, 2011 Developer Share Posted January 5, 2011 Really? Got a source from somewhere that isn't trying to sell a product? How about Neowin... https://www.neowin.net/news/a-history-of-viruses-on-the-mac (Sources Sophos) JoeyF and ZakO 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 the viruses that came out for OSX are retarded at best. You have to run them manually and put in your password to allow them to execute. if you got a mac virus, you deserve it. In theory, a lot of viruses on Windows are the same. You can't fix stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Absolutely not.. with Apple it's not you get what you pay for sorry.. same software issues, same crashes only different messages.. the hardware is the same.. the only thing you do get with Mac is nice design.. but then again I can't say that other PC manufacturers don't make very nice hardware too.. sure there' smore garbage but that's naturally considering the size of market.. Windows 7 is in every way superior to OSX.. and I use OSX these days almost exclusively for work. Apple is raising prices instead of lowering.. and people just justify paying a premium price.. This is why 90% of the Apple fanboys have this mentality that their Apple hardware and everything from Apple is so much better. Because they have this illusion they are then better than others.. you can see it daily in interactions with people who use Apple products in general. I guess that's why it's so annoying.. you pay tons of money for something that really costs 2-3 times less and then you have to go around crapping on everyone else to justify being an idiot and spending $3k on a laptop that is actually underperforming a $800 Windows 7 laptop. But I guess that's a disease and personal issue not the reality. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Really? Got a source from somewhere that isn't trying to sell a product? I would say users that catch viruses would be good enough. I've seen it before. Not saying it's that bad, i'm just saying it does happen. You can't ignore that hard fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajputwarrior Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 How about Neowin... https://www.neowin.net/news/a-history-of-viruses-on-the-mac (Sources Sophos) and how about you look at the number and how they are actually executed, quoting the article. With the introduction of OSX most of the viruses only spread when users executed something they were not entirely familiar with from a source that may have been less than trustworthy. basically, you have to be a complete idiot to get it, where as a LOT of windows viruses can be self executed... you have to open it and put in your account password before you can execute it on osx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fry Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 The Mac OS work flow is indescribably better than Windows for novices and professionals alike. I'm a professional and used to use Windows. Then I got a new job and was introduced to Macs a few years ago. Mac OS helps me develop at least 25% faster. It's also solid as a rock and requires no maintenance or tinkering, which is more than could be said for an OSx86 setup. Bottom line is that time is money and Macs save time be it through their easier learning curve or their vastly superior work flow. And if you think that Apple just hit a $300 billion market cap because "people don't understand Apple things are overpriced" then you are a ****ing idiot. I can assure you, 99% of people in this world nickel and dime everything from food to clothes to gadgets the same way you do. They just aren't fanboys of anything (i.e. Windows) and are willing to pay the premium for things that genuinely work better (without relation to stupid benchmarks that they could not care less about). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S. Veteran Posted January 5, 2011 Veteran Share Posted January 5, 2011 How about Neowin... https://www.neowin.net/news/a-history-of-viruses-on-the-mac (Sources Sophos) And the source for that was.......http://www.sophos.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassed Silver Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 [...] there's not much in the way of exclusives apps for OSX that don't have superior windows equivalents. and windows versions of apps that have OSX versions often much better on windows and have greater hardware support, as well as windows generally utilizing modern hardware better anyway with better drivers from manufacturers. [...] questionable at best. Glassed Silver:lin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveLegg Developer Posted January 5, 2011 Developer Share Posted January 5, 2011 And the source for that was.......http://www.sophos.com/ The viruses exist, the fact Sophos sell anti-virus software has nothing to do with it. There are mac viruses out there, and you can't deny that. ZakO 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S. Veteran Posted January 5, 2011 Veteran Share Posted January 5, 2011 In theory, a lot of viruses on Windows are the same. You can't fix stupid. You can keep throwing wild statements like this out there since you have no source, but it doesn't make them true. Clearly you've not used a Mac...so keep comforting yourself there, and keep scanning and debugging, I'll stick with what I have, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis W. Veteran Posted January 5, 2011 Veteran Share Posted January 5, 2011 I thought antivirus suites on the Mac were primarily there to prevent Apple machines from being middlemen for Windows-based malware. That's not to say that it's still a virus-infested haven for Windows. The days of machines being infected as soon as they're connected to the Internet are over. Social engineering is the new trick these days, and it is difficult to strike an adequate balance between removing too much user control or having an ineffective security barrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajputwarrior Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Absolutely not.. with Apple it's not you get what you pay for sorry.. same software issues, same crashes only different messages.. the hardware is the same.. the only thing you do get with Mac is nice design.. but then again I can't say that other PC manufacturers don't make very nice hardware too.. sure there' smore garbage but that's naturally considering the size of market.. no it's not, you are still not comparing "apples to apples" Windows 7 is in every way superior to OSX.. and I use OSX these days almost exclusively for work. that's straight opinion. personally i think it's the opposite. for multitasking, osx owns IMO. doesn't mean i don't like windows 7 (typing this from my win 7 desktop...) Apple is raising prices instead of lowering.. and people just justify paying a premium price.. This is why 90% of the Apple fanboys have this mentality that their Apple hardware and everything from Apple is so much better. Because they have this illusion they are then better than others.. you can see it daily in interactions with people who use Apple products in general. here you go lying again... look at the prices and what do you notice bud? http://guides.macrumors.com/MacBook http://guides.macrumors.com/MacBook_Pro notice that the mac pro you have has gotten cheaper over time? http://guides.macrumors.com/Mac_Pro I guess that's why it's so annoying.. you pay tons of money for something that really costs 2-3 times less and then you have to go around crapping on everyone else to justify being an idiot and spending $3k on a laptop that is actually underperforming a $800 Windows 7 laptop. But I guess that's a disease and personal issue not the reality. once again another opinion which you can't back up. basically everything you just said is BS. but who cares right? 3 people actually share the same uninformed opinion as you so far based on the rep points so I guess that'll justify everything you just said! John S. and Tews 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S. Veteran Posted January 5, 2011 Veteran Share Posted January 5, 2011 The viruses exist, the fact Sophos sell anti-virus software has nothing to do with it. There are mac viruses out there, and you can't deny that. I keep hearing they exist, keep seeing all these proof-of-concepts, and yet it's not the Mac folks that are always bugging me about their computer slowing down or having non-stop porn popups, or grunting 3-5 minute startup times. Sophos and others are out there to make a buck, their virus protection for the Mac claims to protect you against those 'unknown threats'. Because they aren't yet known....right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I thought antivirus suites on the Mac were primarily there to prevent Apple machines from being middlemen for Windows-based malware. They are. Many of the 'known viruses' for OS X aren't actually in the wild but just proof of concept stuff. The only real malicious software that is out there for Macs are Trojans and Spyware and those are distributed almost exclusively (like 99% distribution) through Pirated copies of Photoshop, iWork, iLife and other popular software suits on Bittorrent sites. The main thing all these malicious software stuff has in common is that they can't just infect your machine willy-nilly you need to at some point hand over your username and password. That is why it is so popular for the software to piggyback in an installer for another program. People enter their details for that program to install and get the malicious stuff installed as a side-effect. The issue on OS X is so small that Apple maintains a plist file on the operating system that checks any DMG files you mount for the Malicious software I just spoke about. Basically the problem is so tiny they can contain it with the most basic detection means available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveLegg Developer Posted January 5, 2011 Developer Share Posted January 5, 2011 I keep hearing they exist, keep seeing all these proof-of-concepts, and yet it's not the Mac folks that are always bugging me about their computer slowing down or having non-stop porn popups, or grunting 3-5 minute startup times. Sophos and others are out there to make a buck, their virus protection for the Mac claims to protect you against those 'unknown threats'. Because they aren't yet known....right. They are known, and have been found, or are all the articles about them around the web just lying? Some big conspiracy designed to bad-mouth OSX? I've never had a Windows virus, I even tried to install one on purpose once, and it wouldn't, so by your example of never experiencing one yourself, Windows viruses clearly don't exist either. Boz and ZakO 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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