housegroover Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 (edited) Just installed McAfee VirusScan 6, (came with a MS optical mouse) and a online check shows that im not protected! I can get a refund but which brand would be best to go for? McAfee VirusScan Online & McAfee Personal Firewall or Norten Antivirus 2003 & Nortnen Personal Firewall 2003 Edited August 9, 2003 by nathanintu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaptain chump Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 i dont like either of those products :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housegroover Posted August 9, 2003 Author Share Posted August 9, 2003 i dont like either of those products :-/ What do you use then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uniacidz Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 Yeh me neither lol But you sure you have Virus Scan firewall turned on and if whether or not you are behind a proxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vagabond Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 If I had to choose between those two I would go with Norton.... I use myself Sygate Personal Firewall and Kaspersky antivirus and they work good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housegroover Posted August 9, 2003 Author Share Posted August 9, 2003 Yeh me neither lolBut you sure you have Virus Scan firewall turned on and if whether or not you are behind a proxy. No proxy, but it may be because im useing an older version? the McAfee website said I needed to upgrade :/ I was useing AVG Free Antivirus and ZoneAlarm, but I want m ore protection then the free programs offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAcOdIn Veteran Posted August 9, 2003 Veteran Share Posted August 9, 2003 To be honest free software firewalls are just as good as the pay ones. But what online check said you weren't protected? If it was Symantec's online check it's because you're not using NPF and they're just trying to get you to switch, if it was mcaffees they're probably just trying to get you to upgrade. Try some of these online checks for your firewall, they don't care what firewall you use. http://www.dslreports.com/r3/dsl/secureme_go http://www.securityspace.com/smysecure/dau...udit_ports.html http://www.pcflank.com/test.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildies Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 i prefer NOD32 Antivirus and OutPost Firewall they are the best...i tried alot and those give me what i need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uniacidz Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 Im using Zonealrm Pro and PC Cillin 2003(which does have a inbuilt firewall but i prefer ZAP) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidGP Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 I use McAfee VS 7 and Kerio Personal Firewall 2 ( going to install Kerio 4 RC1 later ) This is a very interesting test and results on all the major players in the AV world... http://www.virus.gr/english/fullxml/defaul...sp?id=59&mnu=59 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 (edited) What every one here completely fails to realise is that a firewall is only as good as its configuration . Simply installing a firewall will not make you safe, you need to understand the traffic and configure it correctly (and by correctly I dont mean click 'allow' and accept the default rule. The default rules for an app are appaulingly vague, kerio is a good example of this). If you've installed a big name firewall, and an online test says you arn't protected, then there is an error between keyboard and screen (ie: luser). Edit: And jungle bill, I dont like those test results one bit. They sumarise too many different areas which dont tend to be relevent. For example AVG gets 66% because it fails to detect trojans.. they never claim the free version does. Compairing the free version against other pay-for products is completely retarded, and that alone makes me disregard those test results. AV is my job, and in my experience ALL big name AV software perform (almost) EXACTLY the same, the differences are in user configuration (ie: bad configuration = bad performance), and how pretty the GUI is. To the thread starter, how on earth can you get a rebate for a free product? Edited August 10, 2003 by Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uniacidz Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 (edited) I use McAfee VS 7 and Kerio Personal Firewall 2 ( going to install Kerio 4 RC1 later ) This is a very interesting test and results on all the major players in the AV world... http://www.virus.gr/english/fullxml/defaul...sp?id=59&mnu=59 F-Secure version 5.40 - 99.67% Hmmm Dunno how they got that result as F-Secure on some clients i installed on, thing crashed when i tried to heal the virus. Testing from what it looks like was done on Trial software. Some trials do not allow to update to the latest signature files. Anyway, maybe they have resolved it since then. Jon, i agree with everything you say. In regards to AV, user configuration is necessary of course but you are limited to the protection based on the availabilty of the virus signatures and how they detect. And i hole heartingly agree with the firewalls. Cheers Edited August 10, 2003 by Davey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidGP Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 What every one here completely fails to realise is that a firewall is only as good as its configuration .Simply installing a firewall will not make you safe, you need to understand the traffic and configure it correctly (and by correctly I dont mean click 'allow' and accept the default rule. The default rules for an app are appaulingly vague, kerio is a good example of this). If you've installed a big name firewall, and an online test says you arn't protected, then there is an error between keyboard and screen (ie: luser). Dont just assume EVERYONE doesnt know what they are doing as some of us may suprise you! ;) Yes I totally agree with what you are saying its OK setting up a firewall BUT the defaults are not the best way of protecting yourself as you will need to manually setup blocking of certain ports yourself. I have been testing and have tried most of the Software firewalls available and your best route to a firewall is still a Hardware baised one IMO ( but still need correct setup ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samoa Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 I was using AVG for a long time. They are really good. But I now use NAV202. I still use KerioPF. They are a paid firewall. If you want it. I probably won't get NortonPF. But who knows... MaCoDiN, how is a paid firewall better than a free one? Explain it please. I believe you convinced me to get NAV... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildies Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 Im using Zonealrm Pro and PC Cillin 2003(which does have a inbuilt firewall but i prefer ZAP) Take care i was uing PC-cillin and i got 3 torjon playing in my computer and thats ****er didnt even now if they are even exist ... :ninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAcOdIn Veteran Posted August 11, 2003 Veteran Share Posted August 11, 2003 MaCoDiN, how is a paid firewall better than a free one? Explain it please. I believe you convinced me to get NAV... I didn't say that, look at my post again. :) I said the free firewalls are just as good as the pay ones. Now I do recommend Norton Personal Firewall because it gives a novice user an easy way to allow or deny traffic but also allows you to go deeper and specify the actual ports for those that want to(Very handy if you only want outlook to download email but not dconnect to the internet), and in addition NPF also has intrusion detection(Albiet it's a little on the paranoid side). So NPF is a very fine pay firewall in my opinion, but in reality it's no better or worse than kerio or some other free firewall. Now anti virus is a totally different subject, and in the AV field you get what you pay for, but for firewalls almost all the free ones do just as great as the pay ones. A firewall doesn't need constant updates like an anti virus program. And I do try and recommend people to not use the free anti virus products(like avg) when they're looking to buy because they are inferior to the pay ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samoa Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Oops Sorry Mac, I was posting a 5am. I had been up all night. I should sleep tonight, hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAcOdIn Veteran Posted August 11, 2003 Veteran Share Posted August 11, 2003 Oops Sorry Mac, I was posting a 5am. I had been up all night. I should sleep tonight, hopefully. NP, no harm no foul. I think I remember what you're were thinking about. That one thread where I was arguing about AVG being inferior to all the other anti-virus programs, I posted all those links to different tests and stuff. Anyways sleep is for the weak :sleep: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oblivion Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 I faced problems with AVG as well, the last time i had it, it didnt show me any virus presence on my system...i dunno what kind of feeling i had....i installed Kaspersky and had a system scan and WOALA !!! got 11 virus infections present. So at the moment im happy with Kaspersky and Kerio is cool for a firewall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Fulcrum Subscriber¹ Posted September 1, 2003 Subscriber¹ Share Posted September 1, 2003 You know what guys, i've been using Norton AV for as long as I can remember, however I downloaded a file, and when I ran it, I was almost certain that it was a trojan, thanks to Zonelabs telling me it was attempting to access the net. I denied this access, and the program did not do what it was intended to, so I looked into it further, I sent it to Virus Labs, about 5 of them, only received 3 replies however. 2/3 Found it to be a Positive ID for a Trojan, F-Secure and F-Prot. Symantec however did not discover the virus. I soon proceeded to find a Anti-Trojan software, which I always thought regular Antivirus would do the same and then some..however, I found TDS-3, and it discovered this virus. The trojan was encrypted to a point where NAV didn't recognize it, nor tried to look into, and being encrypted allows it run perfectly stealth in one's system. The point is, NAV is really overrated, this is a very dangerous trojan as is any trojan, and You may want to have a AntiTrojan, Antivirus, and Firewall all running, which I'm just about being forced to do now. Maybe someone has further suggesstions on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samoa Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Which anti trojan program? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangesOfCourse Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Which anti trojan program? TDS-3 Review: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1057101,00.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premgenius Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Symantec Norton Internet Security 2003 Professional Edition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindspin Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 I use F-Secure and Kerio. Much better on System Resources than any Norton stuff. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Fulcrum Subscriber¹ Posted September 2, 2003 Subscriber¹ Share Posted September 2, 2003 Trojan Defence Suite is very uncomfortable IMO, it won't even sit in the systray, always in the taskbar, However, it's a big price you'll pay for high security. Also Note: Only in the Licensed Edition will you get the Active Monitor, Trial Users will have to run the Scans everytime they sense a possible breach. I've checked many places, hoping to find something better, but TDS-3 seems to be the top software, able to catch any trojan it comes across. UPDATE: I got a reply from Sophos, which DID detect the trojan I submitted. So that makes it 3/4 Detected the Trojan, Symantec Did not Detect it. Maybe I could just switch to another antivirus and not need TDS, this would be excellent. ---- BEGIN SYMANTEC EMAIL SNIPPET Dear First Name Last Name, We have analyzed your submission. The following is a report of our findings for each file you have submitted: filename: 1 machine: AVCAutomation: result: See the developer notes Developer notes: 1 does not appear to contain malicious code. Our automated system has performed an extensive analysis on the file(s) that you have submitted and found no evidence of malicious code. If you have additional evidence to suggest that a malicious program still resides in the file that was submitted to us, please contact Symantec Technical Support for assistance. ---- END SYMANTEC EMAIL SNIPPET ---- BEGIN KASPERSKY LABS EMAIL SNIPPET Hello! This file contains the known Trojan program: TrojanDropper.Win32.Yabinder.102 Best regards, Valentin ___________________________________________________ Valentin Kolesnikov, Kaspersky Labs ---- END POST, YOU MAY NOW REPLY :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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