k1chy Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Sony : 1 GeoHot: 0 A federal judge ordered prolific hacker Geohot to turn over his computers and hard drives and to stop publishing the tools used to root Sony's PlayStation 3 after finding his hack was likely a violation of US copyright law. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/27/sony_ps3_tro_awarded/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337ish Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Sony : 1 GeoHot: 0 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/27/sony_ps3_tro_awarded/ Sony: 1 GeoHot: ∞ as its all on the net, the silenced nothing really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted January 28, 2011 Global Moderator Share Posted January 28, 2011 Exactly, he already hacked their stuff, and let the code go online, this does nothing except maybe and quite probably deprive him of his porn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pupik Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Sony : 1 GeoHot: 0 What for Sony got a point for, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firey Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 if anything this is going to make people work even harder to ensure the sharing of the stuff.. this isn't a win in any way... if anything it's a final nail in the coffin, proves sony cares, and that this hack is the end, or sony would of said meh.. whatever we got this. And pwned em all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
still1 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Now Sony cant stop it.... its all over the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeEsquire Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 The point of this is to make GeoHot stop. They're going to take him down for a lot of money and he won't be doing this in the future. This is forward looking. Sony knows that the hack is in the wild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green_Eye Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I am pretty sure that his equipment costs more then the average desktop... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanjiajun_34 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Exactly, he already hacked their stuff, and let the code go online, this does nothing except maybe and quite probably deprive him of his porn. Well that is why Sony is taking revenge now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikh Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Sony and the Courts just ****ed up. He will has his stuff hidden somewhere online, give them what they want, and buy new ****. The kid makes more money in a day asking for donations then some people make in a week. Its crazy. Ill surely donate money too him to get his stuff back. If any of you guys ever saw his conversion van he drove across the US, he had it built with wifi attena's, a full desktop, laptop, and just all teched out. If they make him give that up, he will fight back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I am pretty sure that his equipment costs more then the average desktop... ummm, why ? hackers and coders use the same computers as regular people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladmphoto Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 The point of this is to make GeoHot stop. They're going to take him down for a lot of money and he won't be doing this in the future. This is forward looking. Sony knows that the hack is in the wild. When will people finally get it through their heads that he didn't do anything outside the legal system? Unethical yes but who says that everything legal is ethical or for that matter, every thing illegal is unethical? Most laws are written by complete numb-skulls who wouldn't know their ass from their mouth. Sony is just abusing their corporate power and using this poor guy to scare everyone into buying their crap. If you ask me, Sony should have been put out of business about 10 years ago, when they had fewer failures. They have turned into a corporation that expects people to pay for their products that have a huge premium added to their price for a brand that nobody associates with quality anymore, not in the last 15 years or so. Stop defending a system that is as corrupt as the day is long. You think corporations as big as Sony don't lobby politicians and people of law into building a bull**** case for them? I have ABSOLUTELY NO respect for the current justice system that in the drop of a few million $ are willing to overlook what is right for what is beneficial to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3ntury Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Oh well, to be honest the community could probably just donate him enough money to buy several more, considering how widespread the hack has become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green_Eye Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 ummm, why ? hackers and coders use the same computers as regular people. I have very limited knowledge on hacking and the equipment used but thinking about it logically this guy has to be an enthusiast when it comes to technology which leads me to believe that he will by default have a better and much more expensive set up then "your average desktop" you get from x computer store. So I may be wrong but I very much doubt they use the same computers as your average joe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEX4S Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I have very limited knowledge on hacking and the equipment used but thinking about it logically this guy has to be an enthusiast when it comes to technology which leads me to believe that he will by default have a better and much more expensive set up then "your average desktop" you get from x computer store. So I may be wrong but I very much doubt they use the same computers as your average joe... many are "old school", many others have 0 $$ - so they are usually running several mediocre systems... at least thats what my vast sarcasm knowledge of 1337 tells me with my 2 haX0r friends - LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regenerati0n Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I really hope Sony will pay for its actions. Legal terrorism at its best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Radeon Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I really hope Sony will pay for its actions. Legal terrorism at its best. You should coin that term, it should be used in law practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capr Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 he is just turning over his stuff so they can examine it.... I am betting they are looking for some other charge to stick on him since this one isn't working out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenMartian Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 many are "old school", many others have 0 $$ - so they are usually running several mediocre systems... at least thats what my vast sarcasm knowledge of 1337 tells me with my 2 haX0r friends - LOL Well, he would own at least one PS3 to hack it, so he's not exactly poor :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soniqstylz Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 When will people finally get it through their heads that he didn't do anything outside the legal system? Unethical yes but who says that everything legal is ethical or for that matter, every thing illegal is unethical? Most laws are written by complete numb-skulls who wouldn't know their ass from their mouth. Sony is just abusing their corporate power and using this poor guy to scare everyone into buying their crap. If you ask me, Sony should have been put out of business about 10 years ago, when they had fewer failures. They have turned into a corporation that expects people to pay for their products that have a huge premium added to their price for a brand that nobody associates with quality anymore, not in the last 15 years or so. Stop defending a system that is as corrupt as the day is long. You think corporations as big as Sony don't lobby politicians and people of law into building a bull**** case for them? I have ABSOLUTELY NO respect for the current justice system that in the drop of a few million $ are willing to overlook what is right for what is beneficial to them. You realize the person you are replying to is part of that system you consider so corrupt, and probably knows that legal system far better than you, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 This is just a panic move by Sony because they realize that if people are able to pirate games for the system, it's even more boned than it has been. Pandora's Box has been opened so this won't go away and if they were smart, they'd play this like Microsoft and outwardly deride piracy but know that it also creates a backend cashflow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 So if someone were able to crack the USA's systems at the pentagon and released the passkey online, they shouldn't be held accountable? While that is more serious than hacking a console, you're jeopardizing a companies livelihood by doing so, and as such, should be punished. It's one thing to open the console up for pirated games, that's bound to happen considering the type of people out there, but releasing the keys and tools to use said keys is going beyond opening up the console. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 That's a matter of national security. People could gain access to just about everything in the USA with that sort of access. A more apt comparison would be figuring out the algorithms for electronic lottery machines and releasing it for widespread use. Even still, that bankrupts a major industry that largely funds a lot of states' income. That's making money off using something by bending the rules. The object here has never been for Geohot to make money off of this or to endanger people. Not to mention that there's still a lot of hoops to go through. One needs to know how to put all of this into action and then acquire the burner and media to start successfully pirating. It's a really gray area in my opinion. Technically, he's taught people how to cheat the system. That's going to cost a company money with no justifiable benefit or reason other than simply being able to. It's also on a platform that maybe only recently has gotten to a good place in terms of mainstream use/profit despite being almost five years old. However, what is *really* lost? If it's money, then how much? No one can really say who would or wouldn't have bought the games/movies anyway. Like mentioned by so many everywhere, the XBox has had such a large amount of its userbase using pirated consoles and that's only seemed to speed up the acceptance and growth of the platform. So much so that they're able to release a periphal that costs almost as much as the console itself and it's been a big hit. Sony just seems to be in full out panic mode and maybe it's understandable considering how piracy killed their own PSP and Sega's Dreamcast instead of invigorating it. However, they're known to be sh*theads when it comes to this stuff much like Apple. They'd rather go overboard on DRM and anti-piracy (rootkits, intentional bricking, etc.) because they know bad PR won't bankrupt them. I say that if Nintendo has the two most easily modded systems out right now and they're #1, then Sony shouldn't worry when it's going to be an uphill battle to get the same level of piracy going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeEsquire Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 When will people finally get it through their heads that he didn't do anything outside the legal system? Unethical yes but who says that everything legal is ethical or for that matter, every thing illegal is unethical? Most laws are written by complete numb-skulls who wouldn't know their ass from their mouth. Sony is just abusing their corporate power and using this poor guy to scare everyone into buying their crap. If you ask me, Sony should have been put out of business about 10 years ago, when they had fewer failures. They have turned into a corporation that expects people to pay for their products that have a huge premium added to their price for a brand that nobody associates with quality anymore, not in the last 15 years or so. Stop defending a system that is as corrupt as the day is long. You think corporations as big as Sony don't lobby politicians and people of law into building a bull**** case for them? I have ABSOLUTELY NO respect for the current justice system that in the drop of a few million $ are willing to overlook what is right for what is beneficial to them. Just off the top of my head: Circumventing DRM is a violation under the DCMA. He has also violated copyright laws by distributing Sony code with his various custom FWs. What? Did you think that stuff is legal? Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Just off the top of my head: Circumventing DRM is a violation under the DCMA. He has also violated copyright laws by distributing Sony code with his various custom FWs. What? Did you think that stuff is legal? Give me a break. Actually circumventing DRM is not always a violation under the DMCA and you must prove that it was not for fair use to be a violation. I'm surprised, for a lawyer, you don't keep up on stuff much. At best Geohot has violated an EULA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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