DukeEsquire Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 You sound like the MPAA/RIAA right now :laugh: Well, I guess that makes you the pirate then. :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted March 31, 2011 Author Subscriber² Share Posted March 31, 2011 Well, I guess that makes you the pirate then. :whistle: Yeah rather silly comment to throw at you, just makes him sound like someone on the other side of the river, aka a supporter of what the MPAA/RIAA don't like, piracy. The more evidence you give towards that, the less relevant any of your opinions in here become. We discuss things with you on the ground that we at least believe you want legal homebrew/Linux, not piracy. Wanting piracy puts you in the category of wanting something illegal therefore nullifying you from this legal discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeEsquire Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yeah rather silly comment to throw at you, just makes him sound like someone on the other side of the river, aka a supporter of what the MPAA/RIAA don't like, piracy. The more evidence you give towards that, the less relevant any of your opinions in here become. We discuss things with you on the ground that we at least believe you want legal homebrew/Linux, not piracy. Wanting piracy puts you in the category of wanting something illegal therefore nullifying you from this legal discussion. Exactly. Sony just wants people to stop hacking the PS3. But, honestly, if you hack your PS3, as long as you don't try to log onto PSN or go giving your middle finger to Sony, Sony probably does not give a crap. I gave this example a while ago and it still holds true. If you want to smoke pot, go smoke in your basement with your friends, but don't do it in front of a police station while mocking the police! Use your brains people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subject Delta Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Yeah rather silly comment to throw at you, just makes him sound like someone on the other side of the river, aka a supporter of what the MPAA/RIAA don't like, piracy. The more evidence you give towards that, the less relevant any of your opinions in here become. We discuss things with you on the ground that we at least believe you want legal homebrew/Linux, not piracy. Wanting piracy puts you in the category of wanting something illegal therefore nullifying you from this legal discussion. Except the problem is that you make the same assumptions about everyone who wants to hack the PS3, so you're no better than anyone else when it comes to jumping to conclusions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeEsquire Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Except the problem is that you make the same assumptions about everyone who wants to hack the PS3, so you're no better than anyone else when it comes to jumping to conclusions Having read a lot of your posts--especially on Apple products and Sony products--I think you should be the last person talking about "jumping to conclusions." Weren't you the person calling iPhone users "sheep"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakey Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Except the problem is that you make the same assumptions about everyone who wants to hack the PS3, so you're no better than anyone else when it comes to jumping to conclusions Not really jumping to conclusions when you can see that there is really no relevant homebrew applications out for the PS3 that would be useful, except those that deal with piracy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidSolstice Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 No offense, but isn't the site that you sourced in the OP the exact one that everyone gave Neowin News Editors crap for because it was set up just under a month ago, and deemed unreliable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 1, 2011 Author Subscriber² Share Posted April 1, 2011 No offense, but isn't the site that you sourced in the OP the exact one that everyone gave Neowin News Editors crap for because it was set up just under a month ago, and deemed unreliable? Everything in the article is tied to graf's blog, so it doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yekGLzhQ4Qju1FtAVcC4 Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Yeah rather silly comment to throw at you, just makes him sound like someone on the other side of the river, aka a supporter of what the MPAA/RIAA don't like, piracy. The more evidence you give towards that, the less relevant any of your opinions in here become. We discuss things with you on the ground that we at least believe you want legal homebrew/Linux, not piracy. Wanting piracy puts you in the category of wanting something illegal therefore nullifying you from this legal discussion. Heh, don't need to be a pirate to understand that hundreds of lawsuits are largely ineffective. :rolleyes: Not really jumping to conclusions when you can see that there is really no relevant homebrew applications out for the PS3 that would be useful, except those that deal with piracy.... Are you serious? :laugh: There are plenty. Kinect-PS3 Showtime Mediaplayer (personally excited for this!) OpenPS3FTP Coldboot Installer AsbestOS :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 1, 2011 Author Subscriber² Share Posted April 1, 2011 Heh, don't need to be a pirate to understand that hundreds of lawsuits are largely ineffective. :rolleyes: True, but what was with the on the offense MPAA/RIAA comment? Those are two large anti-piracy firms, so you can't help but draw the piracy discussion your way in the manner in which you brought those firms up. You want to respect the law/lawsuit discussion, and you know DukeEsquire himself is actually a lawyer, so well, he's part of what you want to respect no? Or at least his expertise in law he shares should be anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yekGLzhQ4Qju1FtAVcC4 Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 True, but what was with the on the offense MPAA/RIAA comment? Those are two large anti-piracy firms, so you can't help but draw the piracy discussion your way in the manner in which you brought those firms up. You want to respect the law/lawsuit discussion, and you know DukeEsquire himself is actually a lawyer, so well, he's part of what you want to respect no? Or at least his expertise in law he shares should be anyway. I didn't mean to offend. It's merely a parallel. Both firms use lawsuits to further their agenda. Nothing more, nothing less. Edit: clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakey Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Heh, don't need to be a pirate to understand that hundreds of lawsuits are largely ineffective. :rolleyes: Are you serious? :laugh: There are plenty. Kinect-PS3 Showtime Mediaplayer (personally excited for this!) OpenPS3FTP Coldboot Installer AsbestOS :) The only one on that list of any importance is Showtime Mediaplayer ( and would love to have that just actually a part of the ps3) ), the rest are nothing but file managers/loaders really. Something you could get much better use out of if you actually just used a PC. Kinect on ps3 isn't something I myself would be interested in. Already got the PSeye, and it is good enough for what I want to do. Moving menus with my hand is not my cup of tea lol, I'm lazy and will just push my thumb a cm down onto a button :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yekGLzhQ4Qju1FtAVcC4 Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 The only one on that list of any importance is Showtime Mediaplayer ( and would love to have that just actually a part of the ps3) ), the rest are nothing but file managers/loaders really. Something you could get much better use out of if you actually just used a PC. Kinect on ps3 isn't something I myself would be interested in. Already got the PSeye, and it is good enough for what I want to do. Moving menus with my hand is not my cup of tea lol, I'm lazy and will just push my thumb a cm down onto a button :p What kind of homebrew would you like to see? Besides the media player, which I'm guessing is the most wanted one anyway :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 1, 2011 Author Subscriber² Share Posted April 1, 2011 What kind of homebrew would you like to see? Besides the media player, which I'm guessing is the most wanted one anyway :) Because of how much the console/consoles in general can do, I don't think there's really much else to add. The PS3 OS is already a mean media player, so even the ability to add things like showtime mediaplayer is dampened out by the majority happily using PS3MediaServer. Backup Loaders/Emulators and File Managers are what litter the homebrew scene and will most likely be the dominant downloads for all time to come. I mean there's even a web browser with flash support in the console now, something else that may once have been a good homebrew addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakey Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 What kind of homebrew would you like to see? Besides the media player, which I'm guessing is the most wanted one anyway :) That's the thing, there isn't really. As Audio mentioned, PS3mediaserver supplies everything that is already missing. The only thing I could really think of is a better browser, as the PS3 browser is like a super version of a mobile phones, just lacking some features. Everything else is already handled by it. Anything else I would most likely just use my computer for, as it has more space and power. I don't really expect much from a console except for it to play the games made for it, and that everyone is on the same playing field as far as frame rate and controls. The PS3 surpassed all my expectations. I used to be all for the 360, worked at ms in the tech support area for it, and played it quite often there and with my roommate who had it. But after I found out how much simpler the PS3 made media sharing, how easily it was upgradable as far as storage went, free online, and of course a blu ray player, I quickly fell for it. I still much more prefer doing anything on a PC, but the ps3 is really the next best thing to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeEsquire Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 I didn't mean to offend. It's merely a parallel. Both firms use lawsuits to further their agenda. Nothing more, nothing less. Edit: clarification Who doesn't use lawsuits to further their agenda? You say it like it's something untoward. Example: You hit my car. I use a lawsuit to further my agenda of getting you to pay for the damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yekGLzhQ4Qju1FtAVcC4 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Who doesn't use lawsuits to further their agenda? You say it like it's something untoward. Example: You hit my car. I use a lawsuit to further my agenda of getting you to pay for the damage. I mean to further a separate agenda. For example, a company may not be actually seeking compensation, as much as prove a point. edit: clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeEsquire Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 I mean to further a separate agenda. For example, a company may not be actually seeking compensation, as much as prove a point. edit: clarification. Litigation is a means to an end and the end doesn't have to be "win the lawsuit." An environmentalist may sue an oil company for spilling oil to send a message to other oil companies. A slave may sue his master, even though he knew he would lose, to send a message about slavery (Dred Scott). A shareholder may sue a company to force the company to defend an embarrassing action. An employee may sue her former law firm to use the discrimination law suit to air the firm's dirty laundry. Sony is using a lawsuit to (1) stop Geohotz from making more hacks (ie: get an injunction) and (2) send a message to other hackers that Sony is taking this seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yekGLzhQ4Qju1FtAVcC4 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Litigation is a means to an end and the end doesn't have to be "win the lawsuit." An environmentalist may sue an oil company for spilling oil to send a message to other oil companies. A slave may sue his master, even though he knew he would lose, to send a message about slavery (Dred Scott). A shareholder may sue a company to force the company to defend an embarrassing action. An employee may sue her former law firm to use the discrimination law suit to air the firm's dirty laundry. Sony is using a lawsuit to (1) stop Geohotz from making more hacks (ie: get an injunction) and (2) send a message to other hackers that Sony is taking this seriously. Ah okay, thanks for the info :yes: Good to know a little more about Sony's lawsuit, they may not even need to win the lawsuit to prove their point right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeEsquire Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Ah okay, thanks for the info :yes: Good to know a little more about Sony's lawsuit, they may not even need to win the lawsuit to prove their point right? Winning sure helps because then they can get a court ordered injunction against Geohotz. Win or lose, Geohotz is going to spend a lot of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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