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Webkit also hide sometime properties behind build system flags or sometime in about:flags. Although I personally like Firefox approach more better and you point is also valid, proper functionality is better than half baked experience.

I think that's more Chrome than normal WebKit, but it is a step in the right direction. The main problem is that when properties aren't hidden, they get put on this "perpetually supported for compatibility" list, so they're never actually removed then. On the surface it sounds great (older pages don't break), but the flipside is that for the best compatibility with multiple versions you need to use the non-standard properties (Since the old behavior is kept maintained), and that starts leading to ingrained bad behavior (For the longest time WebKit had a bug on OS X that let you use PostScript names for fonts rather than their standard names, to this day I'm still seeing sites that rely on that bug, breaking in pretty much everything, etc.)

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I think that's more Chrome than normal WebKit, but it is a step in the right direction. The main problem is that when properties aren't hidden, they get put on this "perpetually supported for compatibility" list, so they're never actually removed then. On the surface it sounds great (older pages don't break), but the flipside is that for the best compatibility with multiple versions you need to use the non-standard properties (Since the old behavior is kept maintained), and that starts leading to ingrained bad behavior (For the longest time WebKit had a bug on OS X that let you use PostScript names for fonts rather than their standard names, to this day I'm still seeing sites that rely on that bug, breaking in pretty much everything, etc.)

Yes, when browser companies ship half baked vendor prefix enabled support and mention about it, they are maintained and carry forward by developers for too long and they then don't change even when they go with original spec implementation which as result broke sites badly.

So putting experimental properties behind preference is great thing IMO. So no user mess up with them unless they become ready for prime time.

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I must say, after few days with Firefox 19 beta I'm impressed. Some much less memory leaks than in 18. I have 55 enabled add-ons, 50 enabled Greasemonkey scripts and 25 Stylish userstyles, and 19 working a lot better than 18.

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What do you mean by memory leaks? You mean the overall responsiveness of the browser? Like it won't say not responding sometimes or feel jerky when scrolling or opening tabs? I have just upgraded to 19 beta after reading what you posted, and so far I agree. It does seem to be more responsive, but it could just be because I have a fresh Firefox loaded. I hope it keeps this up!! There used to be a great extension called TabGroups Manager, but it hasn't worked correctly since version 17, I think. That is the only thing I am really missing so far!! Firefox needs to expand upon the great idea of Panorama in the same way that TabGroups Manager had done. I am using TabGroups Menu as a somewhat acceptable substitute, but it's just not the same. Anything better out there for managing Tab Groups? Also, I just noticed that UnloadTab has been updated. That should help the memory issues with too many tabs open. I'm going to check it out and see how it works. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/unloadtab/?src=ss

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Thank you for UnloadTab, I miss so much BarTab and Load Tabs Progressively and now at last I have replacement for first one.

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Some updates from Inbound:

Now since many WebIDL bindings are landed and many still have yet to landing, more focus of Firefox is now snappy fixes, download panel, JS engine, WebRTC, Video/Audio backends these days.

I missed few updates post but I will try to compensate as much as I can:

FF18 topcrash fix: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=828184

Video/Audio: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=814308 , https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=804875 , https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=819377 , https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=825329 , https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=828901 , https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=828713 , https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=825325 , https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=826349 , https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=822933 , https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=793274 , https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829042 ,

HTML5 Table rendering bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=827799

New JS Engine friend api: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=828139

Download Panel (Clear Download bug should appear only in Download View): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830842

Ion Monkey JS Crash: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830269

Crash when printing <canvas>: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830236

Layout Forms Controls bug [Mac only]: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829886

SVG regression: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=828815

Download Panel (Download button shows progress remaining after download finishes): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830205

Ion Monkey bug (also will be in FF18.0.1): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=818023

Ion Monkey array related fix: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830967

Bug related to getting FF to C++11 standard: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785918

Crash with Table and transform: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=822906

JS engine: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829758

[snappy] Hang fix, pasting a URL in URL bar is expensive: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830600

Private browsing flag fix: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830652

Crash fix related to Zoom In: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830948

GFX: Color Management: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817153

[MemShrink] anonymous memory reporting: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=827691

Ion Monkey regression fix: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=810525

[MemShrink] Increasing DMD effectiveness: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830226

Making :scope selector match style scope: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829363

WebIDL: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=827158

Rooting Analysis (base of Generational GC): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830839

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When is Australis and the new UI with the yellow bookmark star coming? Is it in Aurora 20, or Nightly 21?

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Is h.264 and aac support still scheduled for firefox 20? I can't wait for that!

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When will Firefox if ever get new tab animations when dragging like Chrome and even IE have?

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When will Firefox if ever get new tab animations when dragging like Chrome and even IE have?

what are you talking about? firefox has had tab animations for a couple versions now

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what are you talking about? firefox has had tab animations for a couple versions now

Maybe I did not explain it currectly.

When you move tabs around in firefox its not the same as in Chrome and IE.

In both Chrome and IE you can see the tab actually move where as in firefox you see a small arrow pointing up and then it just appears in the new spot.

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Maybe I did not explain it currectly.

When you move tabs around in firefox its not the same as in Chrome and IE.

In both Chrome and IE you can see the tab actually move where as in firefox you see an arrow and then it just appears in the new spot.

nope, the tab definitely moves around just like in IE and Chrome for me and has for a couple versions now (I'm on the 19 beta btw)

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nope, the tab definitely moves around just like in IE and Chrome for me and has for a couple versions now (I'm on the 19 beta btw)

Is there some kind of setting I need to enable?

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Is there some kind of setting I need to enable?

I think this happens because you are using a Third party theme and the arrow is to indicate where the tab is going to drop. Try the default theme.

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I think this happens because you are using a Third party theme and the arrow is to indicate where the tab is going to drop. Try the default theme.

I think this happens because you are using a Third party theme and the arrow is to indicate where the tab is going to drop. Try the default theme.

I am using default theme.

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I am using default theme.

disable all addons related to UI or tabs management, it was added in FF17, so make sure you have 17+ version.

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disable all addons related to UI or tabs management, it was added in FF17, so make sure you have 17+ version.

Disabled all addons and still no tab animations. I just get that little arrow pointing up like it has always been :(

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Disabled all addons and still no tab animations. I just get that little arrow pointing up like it has always been :(

I take it back Tab animations are now working.

Now I just have to re enable addons one by one to see what was causing the issue.

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I take it back Tab animations are now working.

Now I just have to re enable addons one by one to see what was causingthe issue.

No issue and do share addon name so it will be helpful for others as well, enjoy tab animation.

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Ok "Tab Mix Plus" is the cause of the problem.

Anyone know if this will be fixed?

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Ok "Tab Mix Plus" is the cause of the problem.

Anyone know if this will be fixed?

For Tab Mix Plus Problems, the best place to post the problem is on their forum, here http://tmp.garyr.net/forum/

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anyting New going on in Firefox lately?

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Good news this issue is already fixed in the latest Pre Release build

http://tmp.garyr.net/dev-builds/

:)

If you are going to use Firefox Nightly Builds then use the Dev version of TMP and you will have no problems. If you happen to get one, it will be fixed by the next day.

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