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Come on guys, digg us up: http://digg.com/software/Windows_Vista_Turns_Gold

Congrats from me too Can't wait to upgrade from XP Pro

Btw a question to you guys: I ran the upgrade advisor but it told me that Home Basic is the version good for me....I dont like how Basic home basic is and I like Home Premium one better..

Will it be ok if I get Home Premium instead of basic?

Also does RTM mean its a specific edition? Like does it give you the option to install basic, premium, business etc?

Last edited by Vomer on 08 Nov 2006 - 20:59

You could install Premium, but most likely some features wouldn't work. You would need to upgrade your hardware (processor, memory, etc.) to make a higher-level version fully functional.

RTM: Release to Manufacturing; the finished product.

I see, thanks for answering my questions,

THe thing is that My is is almost compatible except it dosent have a 128MB video card...i have a 64MB one. Would that really cause big problems?

No, you can run Aero Glass, with no problems, with 64MB. Just don't expect to do 1920x1080.

Lol, didn't mean to break the rules...

Care to enlighten me, though, how what I wrote bkears the rules?! There was (and I think it's still there) a thread on the forums, about whether Vista will be leaked and/or WGA features cracked! None got a warning then. Oh, the hypocracy...

Then report it. I can't understand why everyone thinks we see every post on the board when we moderate one of their posts.

Be waiting a few days!

One never knows... It might be posted silently, so not everyone would be jumping on :p

Funniest thing I've read in days, lol. Check your glasses my friend.

bah, rubbish it's the best os ever made... they've managed to take out every single one of the new features since the 2000~ish builds... it's XP with a glassy interface and a few little conveniences. I.E. XP + WindowsBlinds + Some widgets and apps...

Do your research before you post your own rubbish. If you think it's XP with a glossy interface and some widgets then you clearly know nothing about it.

Seen the winking smiley there at the end...?
Means that this sentence has a sarcastic meaning...

I do know that it's not there yet... nothing funny imo...

QFT

6000

We need a firework show as a backdrop to Ballmer doing the monkey dance and going "WOOOOO!" ?

Not Exactly, we still have fiji then vienna!

Nice username!
Nice comment!

I've equally reported that to Microsoft as their RC2 build still had the problem. I definitely hope they've cleaned up and made the Explorer more leaner in the bugs department.

I noticed that same problem.. would be a shame to have a handful of bugs to fix before it's shipped!

The only way to get rid of it, is to unlock the task bar, MOVE it to the left screen edge, wait for a couple of seconds and move it back to the top.

For some reason, it doesn't resolve for the right edge or bottom of the screen...

You mean fiji build, vienna comes after fiji!

Or Fiji. Forgot about that.

I remember when it was expected in 2002 or something, but then got pushed way back. It was a huge dissapointment.

Hey guess what? It's STILL a huge disappointment!

thanks!

I also uploaded it to YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8rLpp9gc

what there's no bios does this mean efi is upon us? (extendable firmware interface)!

I'm on MSDNAA too, any info as to what versions we will get? Will it just be Pro or will Ultimate be there too?

Thanx for the info

So... being that your name is 'sniper', are you going to go around and shoot everyone who buys it?

Or, maybe you are a fan of Mac and prefer to pay for each service pack for a total cost of ownership far greater than Vista?

Either way, that's why we have freedom of choice!

Thanks for the information Sniper. I am glad I read your comment because I was about to make the mistake of purchasing it. </sarcasm>

You, as many others, have said the same damn thing.

Since when 'how it looks' shows the potential of the damn OS?

Please.

Fix'd.

Last edited by Rodrigo on 09 Nov 2006 - 05:37

What?

I agree! Any idea on prices yet? I certainly hope they aren't as ridiculous as what Microsoft charged initially for Windows XP.

The price for each versions are here: http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_02.asp


Windows Home Basic $199 $99.95
Windows Home Basic N $199 $99.95
Windows Vista Home Premium $239 $159
Windows Vista Business $299 $199
Windows Vista Business N $299 $199
Windows Vista Enterprise Volume-license only
Windows Vista Ultimate $399 $259

First one is Retail Full and Second price is Upgrade.

They "finished" support for windows 98 not long ago.

exactly, support.. still 98 isn't 'finished', just inst supported.

Every heard of OS X?

I wouldn't go as far as to say there's no other user friendly OS available, in fact I'd say Mac OS X is more user friendly. The problem with Linux is installation of the actual system, which at this point is on par with Windows. I don't have anything against Windows, but if everyone is very anti-microsoft, you're very pro-microsoft. I try to be more in the middle

Very true.

Congrats Microsoft!

Yes in all my hype I must admit I totally forgot about OS X which can be a very good alternative. My bad.

OS X is a steaming piece of s***. I pity the fools that use it.

OS X. Redmond get your photocopiers ready. Oh the irony of that campaign. They stole widgets which were planned for Vista long before Apple caught wind. Not to say Microsoft invented them, but Apple certainly screwed Konfabulator. To each his own.

Now back on topic. Congrats Microsoft!

You are a year too late for this argument and you are also wrong about it.

How did you get the number. The Vista DLLs for previous versions had just have something like 6000.16386 there was only one-dotted number.

winver?

MS newsgroup confirmed that this build has, after 7 days of internal test, been chosen as RTM.
I'm not saying just for saying, it is officially confirmed.

Microsoft and "negative comments" is like having a hamburger with fries... they just go so good together!

Haha wow... you trolls can't even stay in the present. LMAO.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the post was meant to be taken as a joke, Rodrigo...

If that's so, then my bad.

If they had, and backward compatibility wasn't there, then the trolls would complain that it didn't support some crappy software written 5 years ago...

They can always rewrite from scratch and provide backwards compatability through virtualization like Apple did for running OS9 apps on OSX.

Except that with the Intel Macs, Apple has abandoned this completely. Intel Mac = no legacy support.

There is no way they couldn't have written a new operating system in five years. It simply isn't possible.

And in the real world backwards compatibility is very important for actual customers.

Given the resources MS has, I'm sure they could have.

I can't agree more.
With its resources, MS still can't make something that is worth its price.
Tell me what is the feature that is worth the upgrade and price?
People help them beta test for free, and other security companies or individuals help them find or even fix their vulnerabilities.
They just put something out and let the customers find problems and suffer and then they will fix it.
I understand no software is perfect when released but with the resources (money and man power) MS has I think don't they do a job good enough to charge so much.
When new products are due, just look around and pick some innovative features introduced by other small third party companies and put them into their products. At the same time, it kills competitors too.
There is no other company in the world that can earn so much money with so little effort.
Only with monopoly you are entitled to this kind of easy money.
Every year how much money did it cost to all Microsoft customers due to Windows or other Microsoft products' vulnerabilities?
I have respect for Bill Gates but not his company.

Please don't think Microsoft has a few projects and the rest are stolen. All the products Microsoft buys aren't just 'added'. Microsoft puts a whole development team on it to improve it. MS has made huge improvements in both their Office suite and Windows suite.

Considering there's over a million lines of code, that's a feat.

Just because you have more money and people, doesn't mean you have organization.

lol! Any other Vistainfeld fans?

Is there a Marine Biologist here? Anyone??

I guess all are masters of their domain

Excellent....muahahahahaha!

No soup for you!

Considering how many people are using Windows 98, sure, I''ll wake you up in 2036

Haha funny, I meant when Vista becomes commonplace.

Yeah backwards compatibility is stupid. Let's force everyone to dump legacy apps.

You are absolutely brilliant! You should go work for Microsoft and share your ideas.

But first, look up "rubbish" in the dictionary.

If people (especially organizations) couldn't run their existing software (and in the real world there are plenty who run software many many years old) Microsoft wouldn't sell many copies of Vista now would they? So the backwards compatibility code is anything but useless. In fact good backwards compatibility with existing software is one of the main reasons why Windows even has such a hold on the market.

But if you continually have to "backwards support", your product will become bloated with old and useless features and be limited in its advancement. Sometimes you have to start a fresh if you want to progress.

Are you joking or serious?

Yes but unlike a Microsoft service pack, new versions of MacOSX contain useful new features (not just security features that should have been present from day one) and your existing version isn't going to fall over and open up your data for all the world to take.

Microsoft attempts to redo the OS too often. Apple just serves to improve on what they already have incrementally.

For example, if Microsoft were to adopt Apple dev cycle, we probably would have gotten Aero a long time ago, and then maybe instant search and upgrades to built-in apps. Of course, the reason WHY Microsoft doesn't do this is because of dependency hell. One component of Windows is too caught up in other lower and upper level parts of the kernel that it's impossible to compartmentalize.

In any case, Vista is done. Now it's time for Microsoft to work on SP1 (and get rid of bugs still existing) then it's time for Vienna!

It is Longhorn Server, then Vista SP1.

I dont think you can call those apple updates "minor" just because they don't increase the version number. Cumulatively , OSX right now is a lot better than it was 5 years ago. While XP is still the same, with a bunch of patches.

I guess this is what Ballmer (I think it was him) meant when he said that vista was going to be the last "big" windows release. I think that this time around, those windows service packs will be more than just cumulative patches and a few minor features.

Congrats on finally being able to get off the shortbus by yourself!

I agree. I think Windows Vista is really really great, but the experience gets bad because of poor driver support (talk about Creative, pfft!

Looser, you nick name reflecs your aditude. **ty get a life and do not even bother posting know one cares abouy your comments...

know one cares abouy your comments...

Wow - you take it so personally. Did you work on Vista or something?

Well.. just for giggles, I wanted to hear ThePitt's comments so er.. you're wrong!

I am waiting to see reports on what I have being supported.. Theres a lot of devices I got that XP don't even really wanna support, webcams, mice, touchpad extras... If I am spending $400 to 'upgrade' I don't wanna spend another $400 replacing everything this 'have it all' OS DON'T have or won't work with, just like how Windows X64 didn't work with any of it.. I don't think anything will have changed.

Except for audio and video vista can use most of the same drivers for, printers, mice, webcams that XP used. At least 32bit vista will.

lol... good thing hardware is coming down in price.

But if a new OS is coming out, HW prices will go up due to demand.

Wanna buy Adobe Acrobat for $800?

Nah. DNF was supposedly rewritten reworked more than Vista so it should be out by the time Vienna is out.

Yeah, you're probably right.

6000.16386.061101-2205. It runs better than the previous build.

Last edited by MrCobra on 09 Nov 2006 - 09:51

that is amazing man, a 72 years old playing video games, you have to be kidding me?

I don't think a machine that came with first version of OSX is capable of running the latest version of OSX.
If someone have moved from v1 to v.last then they must have also upgraded their hardware in the same period.

I have a very old iMac (G3/256MB) running Tiger (10.4) just fine. I won't be able to update it as its network card died a few months ago and the CD seems to be having problems but I'm sure it would have been able to support Leopard.
When I bough it, it came with OS9 -- go figure.

wha? its not? huh? since when?






lol

What are you saying!! It IS LIFE!

Yay! A positive response!

I have to agree somewhat but this OS(repairing it haha) is going to pay my bills.. so I have to make it part of my life... but you know who real thinks there OS is god, mac people I swear they act like macos was create by some higher being..

I can't agree more. Its like most "mac" people all have this personality trait that they all share, and none of the rest of us have it. It just seems like they are "weird". Like they can all be generalized and fit into one nice category of "mac people".

why not try and actually read the thread.
If you did you find there was more people bashing the mac, then mac people bashing VISTA
but hey dont let that stop your little rant

Troll some other place please.
I believe this topic is to discuss WINDOWS VISTA not linux or mac

I think your opening comment is one I tried to make some time ago on the forums but ended up getting shot down for it.

My argument was that you shouldn't need a dual core CPU, a decent graphics card and crap loads of RAM just to get to Operating System to run well.. I felt it should be a svelte and well written lightweight system which did not leave much of a footprint on the system.

A few peoples arguments were that "Yes, but if we've got the hardware to run it, we want the OS to use up as much of it as possible to make it worthwhile" - I see that point somewhat, and to a certain degree you can scrap a lot of the eye candy and stuff that makes Vista need a load of horse power to run it.

But I still feel that the footprint for the OS is still unnecessarily large even in basic mode - and that I wish Microsoft had spent more time optimising, trimming, and putting the operating system on a diet than bolting on more hefty stuff and THEN adding on features to work around the performance issues such as ReadyBoost.

I hate to compare to OSX (and really i'm trying to be objective but stating the obvious here), but they've had an OS with a lovely hardware accelerated GUI for some years now, and you certainly don't need a behemoth of a machine to get the majority of the eye candy effects. With a meagre GeForce FX5200 from a Powermac G5 in my 800MHz G4 Quicksilver I had ALL the cool effects in Tiger.. I can't even imagine trying to run Vista with the prettyness turned on, on an 800MHz PC! And before anyone asks, yes, I did have to modify the card to make it fit into my G4 but it did work great!

..and you just compared a 800MHz PC with a 800MHz G4.. That's not fair, is it?

I thought, in the end, the G4 was thought not to be a particularly amazing chip. How would it compare to say an 800MHz Athlon?

Yes, completely agree with that! Vista is way too bloated.

How can you wish for that? Maybe they did? No one here has tried the RTM version anyways

Sadly many people are clueless, buying the latest hardware thinking that putting a quadx300ghz will help to the messenger or playing at 1900x1600 60hz is way better that 1024x768 85hz.

Today, many newest cpu are more a luxury rather a needing and vista is for this kind of people "ok, you will buy a expensive pc... then buy my expensive OS". There are some exception that people that need a powerful pc but they are only a minor group (such render guys).

It seems that around here, the term Release Candidate is somehow misunderstood of misinterpreted. As I understand it, a Release Candidate is pretty much a feature complete ready to rock version of the final product - with only a little bit more tweaking and tidying before its done. I used up to Release Candidate 2 and felt that it still felt too heavy - there really can't have been THAT many changes between RC2 and RTM - just fixing stuff that was broken!

They also only have to support a tiny fraction of the hardware that Windows does because Apple chooses all the hardware, which also costs literally twice as much after they're done packaging it.

Hey - at the end of the day, thats Microsofts problem. They dreamed up this model of making all new PC's come with their operating system so now they have to get on with it. As the saying goes - you can't have your cake and eat it too!

AMEN!

Same here. Used RC2 for a while, but because of some problems running games i went back to XP. First thing i noticed was that programs started faster on Vista.

I think Vista is a good operative system and will be better when companies release decent drivers.

Yeah, even I'm gonna have to say it seems to be a pretty nice OS. The 3d desktop performance sucks on my 5600fx, but all the actual copying/running applications/etc was strangely faster than in XP. Although my 10gig C: partition used to have 6+ gigs free after an XP install, Vista filled it to the absolute brim with, well, with Vista.

Try 'PowerMenu', it lets you set things like process priority and window transparency from the top-right menu-box.

I need about tree fiddy.

Why would anyone buy an expensive Mac?

No one because in the end, Mac is still a pointless $2-300 more then an equal PC box. That's a LOT of money to spend for a pretty BSD.

BSD = free full OS
OSX = over priced BSD front end
Vista = fully MS developed OS

I honestly cant see how Mac useres bitch about teh "microsoft tax" when macs run the same hardware, cost more and only has a FRACTION of the development time/money spent on it.

Somehow Apple manages to achieve better results with that fraction of resources!

its called not having to design for all the hardware available and having to accept other drivers. Windows has to be able to run on what? 1000's of differnt combonations of hardware...OSX is what like 200? take any linux dist and strip the kernel to support ony what it KNOWS it has to support.. the linux will FLY becuase you took out "bloat" Microsoft cant do this, but as a side effect of not doing this they are also #1 on desktops.

Apple has done nothing that couldn't be done on a free linux/BSD..they just make it pretty too.

Don't forget user-friendly - that's the main differentiator!

BSD = free full OS (UNIX Stability)
OSX = over priced BSD front end (UNIX Stability)
Vista = over priced feature stripped MS developed upgrade to Windows XP. Only XP upgraded with new user interface and new MS developed games and apps available in to many editions!. Not entirely new OS. (NT Stability)
Ubuntu = free full OS (UNIX/Linux Stability)

So lemme get this straight: anything that ain't free is overpriced?

[quote=jedimasterk said,#88.6]
Vista = over priced feature stripped MS developed upgrade to Windows XP. Only XP upgraded with new user interface and new MS developed games and apps available in to many editions!. Not entirely new OS. (NT Stability)
[quote]


the only feature that was stripped from Vista was WinFS.

Monad = never a Vista product

[quote=AltecXP said,#88.8][quote=jedimasterk said,#88.6]
Vista = over priced feature stripped MS developed upgrade to Windows XP. Only XP upgraded with new user interface and new MS developed games and apps available in to many editions!. Not entirely new OS. (NT Stability)
[quote]


the only feature that was stripped from Vista was WinFS.

Monad = never a Vista product[/quote]

More than just WinFS
http://www.itnews.com.au/newsstory.aspx?CI...20&CIPseq=2

]shakes head[

So wrong, so wrong. NT 6.0 (Vista) is a world away from NT 5.2 (XP). You'd of been right saying that about XP to Window 2000 (NT 5.0) but it's plain silly to suggest that all the changes 'under the hood' add up to nothing in Vista..

[quote=jedimasterk said,#88.9]


the only feature that was stripped from Vista was WinFS.

Monad = never a Vista product[/quote]

More than just WinFS
http://www.itnews.com.au/newsstory.aspx?CI...20&CIPseq=2[/quote]

XPS Support ; OFFICE not Vista (and it was Adobe that bitched till it came out, not MS's wantting to pull it)
PC-to-PC Sync ; Still there just in a degraded form
SecurID Support ; was never in teh original plan it was added in @ a later time.
Palladium ; pulled due to an outcry of people NOT WANTING IT.
UEFI ; only pulled from the x86 version(due to its not being fully on the market yet) still in x64 & server.

How about visiting sites that know what they are talking about?

"fully" meaning MS bought out all the companies which developed the components originally, fair and square.

Why are you using XP and not Win 3.1? For Win 3.1 you ca use an office package and an internet browser and e-mail client.

You didn't answer my question!.

Well for one. About 100% of my third party Windows software won't run with Windows 3.1. But it does run on XP Pro. Is their any productive third party software that only runs on Vista. Next version of Photoshop, or heck Office 2007 runs on XP Pro.

False. And neither are aliens going to abduct you tonight - so sleep easy.

It WILL be pirated the instant it hits MSDN is my bet

And if the price is reasonable in my local town i will probably buy it
But i wanna try it ASAP

On both MSDN and SA there's a blurb about maintenance being performed tomorrow evening from 7:00PM - 9:00PM PST. I suspect it will be posted during that window.

whered you get that date?

I have my source's Wanna bet 10 bucks on it ? I already got the RTM without a PID though

Wanna Share?

Ther rest of us MSDN guys want it and don't care about the PID, we'll just wait to get our official PIDs

not a gambling man
i have my sources and while theyre fairly sure the scheduled maintenance has nothing to do with vista,
they cant put a date on xena availability.
i thought no one can say at this stage.

If its the Enterprise version. It doesn't require a PID.

how exactly is it worthless? seems to do everything i need for 2 years now



i hear that!

So your saying that Windows XP Home Edition is worse than Windows Me? How?

What about Windows XP Home Edition N? Is that better than Windows XP Home Edition?

Your generalised statement seems to imply this!

In that case, I guess it would have gone yellow