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The Pirate Bay Hopes to Buy its Own Country: Sealand

Slimy   on 15 January 2007 - 19:53 · 44 comments & 24981 views

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Swedish organization The Pirate Bay, the "intellectual property reform group" known for its dedication in both hosting and providing trackers for torrents, is looking for its own country. No, that’s not a typo, not their own county, but their own country. Pirates are rejoicing everywhere. The Pirate Bay hopes they rejoice enough to donate (if they do, they will receive citizenship) in order to help purchase Sealand. The man-made isle is a World War II-era British naval platform off the southern coast of England. It is so south that it is out of British waters.

To truly understand what Sealand is, we’re going to dive in and take out a little bite of history. For the last few decades, the rusting structure has been run as a "principality" by Paddy Roy Bates, the Roy of Sealand. Roy and his family first occupied the “platform country” in 1967. Since then, Sealand has undergone suspicious events regarding its ownership. Roy's son was once kidnapped by some "legitimate business men" who wanted to cut a “deal” for Sealand. In 1968, Roy defended Sealand Rambo-style against the British Navy.

The Pirate Bay is not the first group interested in setting up internet-related activity on Sealand. The delight of having no government interference attracted an Internet co-location service called HavenCo between 2000 and 2003. It was a costly venture: a 1Mbps link cost $1,800 per month, and hardware had to purchased from HavenCo because of security concerns.

It may have been the fire that hit Sealand in 2006, or old age, but King Roy is ready to sell his kingdom to the highest bidder. As of January 15 2007, The Pirate Bay has raised over $13,000 - the asking price is £65,000,000. The Pirate Bay has announced that they will be negotiating with the government of Sealand via email over the next few days. The Pirate Bay’s backup plan: "If we do not get enough money required to buy the micronation of Sealand, we will try to buy another small island somewhere and claim it as our own country."

Link: Principality of Sealand | The Pirate Bay | Neowin Forum Discussion
News source: Ars Technica

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#1 MightyJordan on 15 Jan 2007 - 19:57
New news to me, but it sounds crazy.
#2 traxor on 15 Jan 2007 - 19:59
awesome :p.
#3 M.F.D.K on 15 Jan 2007 - 20:00
mad stuff but good luck bidding to them
#4 megadima on 15 Jan 2007 - 20:00
Amazing.
#5 YaddaMe on 15 Jan 2007 - 20:01
And everyone will live happily ever after...

That is, until the lobbyists from the RIAA, MPAA, etc, & other local equivalents put enough pressure on their governments to deem the isle haven a threat. Of which it will then be sunk.
#6 b0m8er on 15 Jan 2007 - 20:01
LOL! Good luck to them!
(6 replies) #7 PureLegend on 15 Jan 2007 - 20:05
Oh, that is so cool! I doubt it'll immune it's users, though...
#7.1 m-head on 15 Jan 2007 - 20:09
Unless you move there!
#7.2 roadwarrior on 15 Jan 2007 - 20:20
Well, users who donate to the purchase of the country would be given citizenship, although they would still be subject to the laws of the country they were residing in.
#7.3 Glassed Silver on 15 Jan 2007 - 20:28
Quote - (roadwarrior said @ #8.2)
Well, users who donate to the purchase of the country would be given citizenship, although they would still be subject to the laws of the country they were residing in.

sealand is too small to actually really let more than a few ppl live there, so that is practically a void argument
still... there are other countries that are not thaaat strict about such matters

-fm
#7.4 PureLegend on 15 Jan 2007 - 20:56
Quote - (Glassed Silver said @ #7.3)
Quote - (roadwarrior said @ #8.2)
Well, users who donate to the purchase of the country would be given citizenship, although they would still be subject to the laws of the country they were residing in.

sealand is too small to actually really let more than a few ppl live there, so that is practically a void argument
still... there are other countries that are not thaaat strict about such matters

-fm
Well, homeless people can't be proven to live in the UK, because they have no residence.

You could always have dual Sealand/UK nationality...
#7.5 Glassed Silver on 15 Jan 2007 - 21:33
Quote - (PureLegend said @ #7.4)
Quote - (Glassed Silver said @ #7.3)
Quote - (roadwarrior said @ #8.2)
Well, users who donate to the purchase of the country would be given citizenship, although they would still be subject to the laws of the country they were residing in.

sealand is too small to actually really let more than a few ppl live there, so that is practically a void argument
still... there are other countries that are not thaaat strict about such matters

-fm
Well, homeless people can't be proven to live in the UK, because they have no residence.

You could always have dual Sealand/UK nationality...

i know, i was just making the point that the nationality wont give u any practical benefits, as since even just visiting that country is expensive, there's no thing such as a ferry that will get u there, they used to have a regualar helicopter connection to Belgium, but that's no more neither.
i wasnt trying to say that it'd be a problem to have the citizenship. it's just you dont have practical benefits.

-fm
#7.6 Croquant on 16 Jan 2007 - 12:07
Quote - (PureLegend said @ #7.4)
You could always have dual Sealand/UK nationality...

Not that the UK would recognize your Sealand citizenship since they legal consider Sealand to be the property of the Royal Navy. (It's actually a sea fort built by the British during the second world war.)

And then there's the ever-present danger of Sealand rusting to death and toppling over in the next big storm, but I digress.
#8 vetnw_raptor on 15 Jan 2007 - 20:11
I guess that's one way of dealing with government rules... Create your own....
#9 Glassed Silver on 15 Jan 2007 - 20:24
heard of sealand, truely sounds interesting
whats next? pirateworld?
woooo, down with RIAA

-fm
#10 lerum on 15 Jan 2007 - 20:25
Actually they've abandoned this idea and are going for an island.
#11 dp123 on 15 Jan 2007 - 20:29
"As of January 15 2007, The Pirate Bay has raised over $13,000"

That amounts to what? Two tanks of gas for the helicopter required to get there.
#12 StimyJoeBlue on 15 Jan 2007 - 20:43
They'd better form an Army too to protect their stuff. The threat from invading (real) pirates looking for some hardware to sell off would be a real threat. These nerds would be traded too along side their equipment.
#13 Lt-DavidW on 15 Jan 2007 - 20:44
Marketing hype.
#14 MazX_Napalm on 15 Jan 2007 - 20:54
I see that IANA doesn't have .pb or .tpb listed yet.
But .sl is already taken - Sierra Leone
#15 lylesback2 on 15 Jan 2007 - 21:22
LOL, the piratebay does it again
(1 reply) #16 on 01 Jan 1970 - 00:00
#16.1 Glassed Silver on 15 Jan 2007 - 21:41
who said they'll succeed?
oh and... actually its not required to have an own country to run that... but oh well...
maybe they just want the country to be leet lol

-fm
(2 replies) #17 RazorEye on 15 Jan 2007 - 21:49
My biggest curiosity through this whole ordeal is this: What is the price for monthly internet access from there? Satellite or underwater cabling, but either way, a helluva lot more expensive than what they are paying for now in their native country.

I can see it now. First month there "Yay! We did it, torrents forever!!!!!!". Flash forward 3 months later "Sorry guys, we gotta move it all back now, but it was fun while it lasted.....".
#17.1 Neobond on 15 Jan 2007 - 23:07
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I can see it now. First month there "Yay! We did it, torrents forever!!!!!!". Flash forward 3 months later "Sorry guys, we gotta move it all back now, but it was fun while it lasted.....".

That will be shortly before the RIAA/MPAA persuades England and/or America to invade Sealand and take it over (a country can still be invaded you know, even if it's a micro-nation).
#17.2 +mrbester on 16 Jan 2007 - 10:36
Yeah, that'll happen. (MP|RI)AA has zero jurisdiction outside US (not that it really has any inside), but even though Seland is outside an old border for territorial waters, it is within a new one (but keeps its independent status), thus making it a protectorate of the British Isles. Also, in case you forgot, the invasion of a sovereign nation on flimsy justification (and business conflicts are that kind of flimsy) is still illegal according to international law.
#18 xpablo on 15 Jan 2007 - 21:58
Well this would be good, but they would require a more reliable source of electricity to power their servers, although they have several servers setup already, not to mention the need for a better connection the the internet.

This should be interesting.
#19 Un-Dead Soldier on 15 Jan 2007 - 22:34
YARRR MATEYS
#20 Neobond on 15 Jan 2007 - 23:03
I can see the RIAA purchasing boats from Greenpeace now.

I hope RIAA's boat goes the same way as the "Rainbow Warrior" (sunk by the French foreign intelligence agency)
(1 reply) #21 tascitus on 15 Jan 2007 - 23:24
1: RIAA builds their own platform country.

2:RIAAland forms a military.

3: RIAAland declares war on Sealand.

#21.1 xpablo on 15 Jan 2007 - 23:38
Forget Star Wars, it will be Cyber Wars.

The Pirates (Cyber Rebels {Jedi's} ) against the Evil Empire (RIAA/MPAA {The Dark Side} ).

I can see Bill Gates buying Sealand and naming it Vista Island !



(3 replies) #22 ChocIST on 16 Jan 2007 - 00:20
lol this is crazy but some really good reading! Gets me out of my C# for a while lol... I may even donate to PB to shut MPAA and RIAA up.....

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That will be shortly before the RIAA/MPAA persuades England and/or America to invade Sealand and take it over (a country can still be invaded you know, even if it's a micro-nation).


@Neobond - I bet you 10 of our fine UK pounds that'll be the US who invades first because they see Sealand as a terrorist/extremist threat lol Get the Irish and/or Celts on-board.....there's way more of us than there is anybody else around that area!

ChocIST


#22.1 eAi on 16 Jan 2007 - 01:02
Well, its in British territorial waters, so if the US did attack it or invade it, they'd need permission from the UK.
#22.2 nismohasan on 16 Jan 2007 - 02:57
Quote - (eAi said @ #22.1)
Well, its in British territorial waters, so if the US did attack it or invade it, they'd need permission from the UK.


its in international waters acording to there website lol
#22.3 Arcticflare on 16 Jan 2007 - 04:20
Quote - (ChocIST said @ #22)
I bet you 10 of our fine UK pounds that'll be the US who invades first because they see Sealand as a terrorist/extremist threat lol


There's more truth to that than I'm comfortable with. It would be so neat just to be able to claim citizenship, however shaky/gray it might be, but who wants to risk getting unwanted attention from their own government? The possibility of state sponsored harassment is enough to put me off the idea.
#23 black_death on 16 Jan 2007 - 03:16
I wanted to establish my own pirate country too but I knew that RIAA would probably invade me so they can liberate my country from its opressive regime and replace it with the kind hearted people from the RIAA who instead of paying the artists who make music for them they sue the people who bring them the money - God bless the RIAA!
#24 ]SK[ on 16 Jan 2007 - 07:22
That's an island?
#25 P1R4T3 on 16 Jan 2007 - 07:26
Blair: Dude... Wat do we do?
Bush: Aight soldier, let's invade sealand.
(1 reply) #26 alsheron on 16 Jan 2007 - 09:07
This is probably the most amazing thing to me ever to have heard about!
#26.1 Joseph21 on 16 Jan 2007 - 10:00
Quote - (alsheron said @ #26)
This is probably the most amazing thing to me ever to have heard about!

Indeed!!!, i wonder if they raise enough this is possible?
(1 reply) #27 winmoose on 16 Jan 2007 - 11:49
Sealand is not a real country. This is funny, but really stupid.
#27.1 MaJoR on 16 Jan 2007 - 18:29
Yes and no. If you read that wiki, it says that no nation recognizes it as a nation. However, the UN, through various treaties and policies, indirectly accepts it as an island. And Sealand has managed to defend itself both legally and militarily over decades of people and nations wanting to get a hold of it.

What is a nation?

Quote - dictionary.com
1. large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own

Ok, it is not that LARGE a body of people, but they have unity and seek to maintain a government. Seems like a nation to me.
#28 krupini on 16 Jan 2007 - 16:28
Why not just buy a ship, equip it with setallites for wireless internet access, and sail it to the international waters? Then the PirateBay would be like virtual and real pirates at the same time. They could also catch tuna and sell it under their brand, or make it available as a torrent. Makes sense to me.
#29 MaJoR on 16 Jan 2007 - 18:20
I say good for them. Politicians rule governments, and politicians do anything that benefits themselves. Companies give money to politicians, and the politicians do favors in return. Therefore, in a way, companies have a huge say in government policy. And, obviously, companies could care less about consumers as long as they get the money. So a ton of consumer abuse is being legalized. It is just stupid. If they can make a country that is against the big companies, I say go for it.

Though this is a tremendous political mess.

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