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30 Days until Windows 8: What can we expect?

30 days. Yes, after about three years of waiting, Microsoft is now just one month away from launching Windows 8. It is, without a doubt, the company's biggest gamble in terms of its Windows franchise. Microsoft made the decision to keep the traditional desktop while also offering the new and colorful "Metro" touch screen-themed UI (Yes, we know; Microsoft has officially gotten rid of the Metro brand, but its just easier for us to label it as such.)

Microsoft is not launching one product on October 26th; it's launching three of them. Windows 8 is coming out for desktop, laptop and tablet PCs that will run on processors made by Intel and AMD. It's also coming out with Windows RT, which will run on ARM-designed chips made by companies like NVIDIA and Qualcomm. It will also only be able to run programs made just for Windows RT; no older programs made for older versions of Windows can run on Windows RT.

Finally, Microsoft is also launching its own PC product for the first time on the same Windows 8 ship date; the Windows RT version of Surface. It's a move that few expected from Microsoft but its one that could showcase how much the company is truly committed to the Metro user interface.

So, with 30 days to go, what can we expect to hear from Microsoft before the launch date?

More pricing details for Windows 8: Microsoft has already announced that people who want to upgrade their older Windows XP, Vista or 7 PCs can do so via a download for $39.99 until January 31, 2013. People who buy a new Windows 7 PC from now until January 31 can get that same upgrade for $14.99. However, Microsoft has still not officially revealed pricing for a full version of Windows 8.

A recent report claims, via unnamed sources, that people who want to build their own PC can buy the full version of Windows 8, under the Personal Use License for System Builder plan, starting at just under $100. Microsoft has yet to confirm this, but we should get the full skinny on this topic just before the launch date or perhaps soon afterward.

Microsoft has already said it won't be selling separate versions of Windows RT; they will only be available bundled with a Windows RT device.

Pricing for the Windows RT version of the Surface: Microsoft has been cagy about how much the Windows RT version of its own homegrown tablet will be like. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer recently said it would have a price range of between $300 and $800. That's quite a lot of wiggle room for Microsoft to give itself for pricing what may be its "make or break" product. We suspect that the company will hold some kind of Surface press event just before October 26th where the final pricing for the tablet will be revealed.

Just a reminder: Microsoft also has plans to launch a Windows 8 Pro version of the Surface, but it won't be released until a few months after the Windows RT version comes out.

More details on Microsoft Store openings: The company has been trying to open new retail stores across the US and Canada in the past few years, and with the launch of Windows 8, Windows RT and Surface, Microsoft will continue that trend. In addition to opening a number of permanent Microsoft Store locations, the company will also open up over 30 temporary stores later this fall that will close after the end of the holiday shopping season. We should get more details about Microsoft's retail store plans before the Windows 8 launch.

More information on Windows 8 apps: Since Windows 8 went into its RTM mode in August, the company has been adding more and more apps made especially for the "Metro" UI to its Windows Store feature. One unofficial source says that Microsoft now has over 2,000 of those apps available in the Windows Store to download. Microsoft, as well as app software developers, will be revealing more information about their Windows 8/RT Metro apps in the next 30 days. Will we see an official Facebook or Twitter app in the store, among others? Stay tuned.

More details and pricing for Windows 8/RT PCs: Companies like HP, Dell, Acer, Asus, Lenovo and others have been revealing what hardware they will offer consumers to buy for the launch of Windows 8 for the past few weeks. However, pricing details for many of those products, especially those that use the "Metro" UI for their touch screens, are harder to come by. We will likely get those specific details just before October 26th. We may also get some additional hardware surprises from PC OEMs.

Xbox Music details: Along with the launch of Windows 8, Microsoft is also dumping its Zune Music service in favor of a new online service to tie it into its Xbox brand. Will this just be a rebranding, or will Microsoft also be adding new features to its music-themed online service? We suspect those details will becoming alongside more information on the Surface tablet.

More viral marketing efforts: Microsoft has been known to go a little nuts with ARG (Alternate Reality Game) efforts in the past. They have already started a viral campaign for the Surface tablet. Mysterious street art images have been placed on buildings in New York City, Los Angeles and Chicago. We expect to see even more of these art images to pop up in other parts of the US ahead of October 26th. It's also possible that Microsoft will have something else in store for us for Windows 8 itself.

Something totally unexpected? Hey, it could happen. No one thought that Microsoft would launch a PC hardware product until Surface was first announced. It's possible that the company has something else up its sleeve in Redmond that we know nothing about at this stage.

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Tsarnikky, Now ok on sys restore. found volume shadow copy service was disabled (not me guv!) . Enabled and fixed.

There is a very good reason no one thought Microsoft would ever offer their own PC. Microsoft making their own PC, would have all the same advantages Apple has with the Mac. MS could choose the hardware configuration which would be limited, and spend time tailoring Windows to it. The downside is the potential sales would eat into the sales of the OEM's. The OEM's would be complaining about MS entering the market an competing as some have already about the tablet. Enterprises would likely jump on the Microsoft option for this reason, which would cause an issue for OEM's like Dell and HP. So we always knew they could, the question was more if they should.

The tablet was a different issue. Windows PC sell with no problem. What hurt Microsoft before with tablets if 2 things. First they really didn't make an OS that was touch-friendly and they left the dream of the device itself to OEM's. The OEM's made that dream a nightmare because they didn't think outside the box. They took a laptop and reversed the screen which wasn't very innovative. Even with Windows 8 and the introduction of the iPad, some OEM's are still making them that way. Those wont sell well even with a touch UI. the problem is, people don't want to be forced to carry a keyboard, they want to choose to carry it. That is why the Surface will certainly kill the sales of those hybrids with reversible screens.

We want detachable keyboards. We want the option to take it if we need it.

Also MS doesn't need to meet or beat others tablet pricing. Even the RT model with Office is a better buy than iPad. if MS set the cost at 599 with Office or 499 without, either would be a very worthy iPad killer.

ARM based tablets like the iPad are about to see a significant drop in sales. Why pay 899.99 for the best iPad, when for that cost you could get a Surface pro that runs all your desktop apps + run the RT small apps which will be similar to iPad offerings.

You will have a tablet that supports thievery web. That means support for Java, HTML and Flash. DirectX is still the number one gaming platform over anything on any tablet. No more cheap games, but we can play real ones. pro tablets will surely be using ATI and Nvidia solutions that will be worth $1300 when they come.

Just give me one with ATI 78xx and Core i7 and I am on it.

Microsoft set the bar with Surface. The OEM's either have to meet that or beat that. Acer is crying because they want to make cheap low-end poorly spec'd pieces of junk. The market will choose who is best. Right now I see Samsung is going to be the biggest seller and I will be getting one of those.

Microsoft waited for just the right moment. Sometimes being first isn't always best. Remember, Nintendo beat Sega, but they did it without being first to market with products. being 2nd or less mean you can capitalize on the failures or near failures of others. The iPad has had great success because finally a single form factor device worth buying was introduced. Now we have a better option. Desktop PC sale will certainly be going to drop on the consumer side especially. The OEM need to fill that gap with better tablets because Windows just made a change and its not going back to desktop only.

Windows 8 is the future of desktop computing and the Surface is the future device to run it. If the other OEM's don't get with the program, then MS will be forced to produce more and sell more.

TechieXP said,
There is a very good reason no one thought Microsoft would ever offer their own PC. Microsoft making their own PC, would have all the same advantages Apple has with the Mac. MS could choose the hardware configuration which would be limited, and spend time tailoring Windows to it. The downside is the potential sales would eat into the sales of the OEM's. The OEM's would be complaining about MS entering the market an competing as some have already about the tablet. Enterprises would likely jump on the Microsoft option for this reason, which would cause an issue for OEM's like Dell and HP. So we always knew they could, the question was more if they should.

The tablet was a different issue. Windows PC sell with no problem. What hurt Microsoft before with tablets if 2 things. First they really didn't make an OS that was touch-friendly and they left the dream of the device itself to OEM's. The OEM's made that dream a nightmare because they didn't think outside the box. They took a laptop and reversed the screen which wasn't very innovative. Even with Windows 8 and the introduction of the iPad, some OEM's are still making them that way. Those wont sell well even with a touch UI. the problem is, people don't want to be forced to carry a keyboard, they want to choose to carry it. That is why the Surface will certainly kill the sales of those hybrids with reversible screens.

We want detachable keyboards. We want the option to take it if we need it.

Also MS doesn't need to meet or beat others tablet pricing. Even the RT model with Office is a better buy than iPad. if MS set the cost at 599 with Office or 499 without, either would be a very worthy iPad killer.

ARM based tablets like the iPad are about to see a significant drop in sales. Why pay 899.99 for the best iPad, when for that cost you could get a Surface pro that runs all your desktop apps + run the RT small apps which will be similar to iPad offerings.

You will have a tablet that supports thievery web. That means support for Java, HTML and Flash. DirectX is still the number one gaming platform over anything on any tablet. No more cheap games, but we can play real ones. pro tablets will surely be using ATI and Nvidia solutions that will be worth $1300 when they come.

Just give me one with ATI 78xx and Core i7 and I am on it.

Microsoft set the bar with Surface. The OEM's either have to meet that or beat that. Acer is crying because they want to make cheap low-end poorly spec'd pieces of junk. The market will choose who is best. Right now I see Samsung is going to be the biggest seller and I will be getting one of those.

Microsoft waited for just the right moment. Sometimes being first isn't always best. Remember, Nintendo beat Sega, but they did it without being first to market with products. being 2nd or less mean you can capitalize on the failures or near failures of others. The iPad has had great success because finally a single form factor device worth buying was introduced. Now we have a better option. Desktop PC sale will certainly be going to drop on the consumer side especially. The OEM need to fill that gap with better tablets because Windows just made a change and its not going back to desktop only.

Windows 8 is the future of desktop computing and the Surface is the future device to run it. If the other OEM's don't get with the program, then MS will be forced to produce more and sell more.

this

Microsoft had to show the hardware manufacturers how its done. Needless to say, i'm sure the hardware manufacturers are just embarrassed.

I have run w8 for about a month now in dual with w7. I've used all the third party mods to obtain a decent interface and get rid of the awful metro stuff and the even more awful charms bar. It is certainly marginally quicker than w7 but there are several other features that I don't like including the office type interface in folders instead of a toolbar. The system restore will not hold restore points in spite of being given sufficient disk space to do so and they have disappeared on restart! This in spite of using all known remedies. I really can not be bothered to mess around any more especially when I return to W7 which presents no problems whatsoever and fulfils all my needs (well most of them!!) I will continue to play with w8 but as for making it my default OS - Definitely NO!

codger said,
I have run w8 for about a month now in dual with w7. I've used all the third party mods to obtain a decent interface and get rid of the awful metro stuff and the even more awful charms bar. It is certainly marginally quicker than w7 but there are several other features that I don't like including the office type interface in folders instead of a toolbar. The system restore will not hold restore points in spite of being given sufficient disk space to do so and they have disappeared on restart! This in spite of using all known remedies. I really can not be bothered to mess around any more especially when I return to W7 which presents no problems whatsoever and fulfils all my needs (well most of them!!) I will continue to play with w8 but as for making it my default OS - Definitely NO!

Not hold restore points? A big no-no. I'll stay with Windows-7. Maybe Windows-9 will be a decent OS for laptops and desktops.

The Dark Knight said,
I have already switched over to Windows 8 on all my computers. Using Start8 though. I can't stand that god awful Metro!

A pretty damning indictment of Windows-8; when users have to install third-party software to reclaim the functionality they had with Windows-7. The arrogance of the Windows-8 thinking that no one uses keyboards for intensive data entry, but just taps and scratches.

What the hell it was released like a month or more ago been using it a while its the greatest operating system i've ever used.

Daniel_Pooh said,
What the hell it was released like a month or more ago been using it a while its the greatest operating system i've ever used.

-_- are you trolling?

The only way you could have gotten it a month ago is if you're a developer, have a Dreamspark Premium student account, or you illegally torrented one of those released copies and havent activated it.

I assume you didnt download the upgrade/OS from Microsoft?

TsarNikky, seems to me its more a question of take-offs than add-ons. It's trying to get rid of all these gimmicks which spoil a good OS

Personally, my plan is to never touch any new OS until SP1 has been released. I've seen it happen too many times where products are rushed out the door with security leaks, major compatibility issues, etc.

Rohdekill said,
Personally, my plan is to never touch any new OS until SP1 has been released. I've seen it happen too many times where products are rushed out the door with security leaks, major compatibility issues, etc.
So people never grow up. Windows 7 didn't need a Service Pack.

Shane Nokes said,

Actually Win7 has had a service pack released.

No duh!!!! I never said it didn't get one, I said it didn't need one. It ran perfect right out the box vs Vista which did not.

TechieXP said,
No duh!!!! I never said it didn't get one, I said it didn't need one. It ran perfect right out the box vs Vista which did not.

Obviously it did, which is why one was released. If it wasn't needed they wouldn't have put one out.

Vista worked just fine out of the box. The problem was OEM drivers. Once the driver situation got better so did the stability and performance.

TsarNikky, You have a point but I guess that most computer afficianados like playing around with systems etc to see what they can do. The problem is that w7 is so good that it appears that microsoft have just added a series of gimmicks to try to sell their new OS. The old adage "If it ain't broke, dont fix it" certainly rings true here but MS have to make money somehow!

codger said,
TsarNikky, You have a point but I guess that most computer afficianados like playing around with systems etc to see what they can do. The problem is that w7 is so good that it appears that microsoft have just added a series of gimmicks to try to sell their new OS. The old adage "If it ain't broke, dont fix it" certainly rings true here but MS have to make money somehow!

Gimmicks? They took a desktop OS and made it work on a mobile device. Mobile is where the money is in case you havent been paying attention. Google came out of nowhere and blind-side both Microsoft and Apple and is the mobile top dog right now.

People want portable devices that can double as stationary ones too. Windows needs to be more mobile. How is that a gimmick? Yes if it ain't broke don't fix. Windows 7 is certainly nto broke and Windows 8 isn't a fix. Its a evolution fo the OS.

Windows has the capability to do what many OS's have failed to do. Android is a sibling of Linux., which is a sibling of Unix. It si very versatile but its limited. x86 is the platform that ahs the biggest sales of any platform. Thus using a mobile S to support x86 ensures ARM doesn't kill Intel off.

ARM is limited. If ARM could do what x86 could do, Intel would die. This si Intel's chance to get into the mobile space and Microsoft is who will get them there. Intel does have a phone with Motorola, the Razr "i" and its faster than the M model sporting ARM Snapdragon.

If MS doesn't get into thsi market now, they are going to lose big time. They already were slow to the phone, they can't afford to miss this with Windows 8. Touch is the future. Mobile devices is the future.

I don't see any gimmicks. Please show us one. Apple is the one with the gimmicks.

if you love Window s7, then run it until your PC dies. No one is going to care. For those of us who want Windows 8 even if we don't need it, let us enjoy it and stop raining on out parade. I personally hate naysayers such as yourself. Who give no valid reason for their claims. They just make a bunch of senseless off the top of their head statements that offer no insight, no justification or thought.

I wont criticize you for not wanting Windows 8, its your choice. be happy with YOUR choice. Don't criticize our choice. I personally don't need Windows 8. I do want a mobile fully capable PC, so I will be getting the Pro. if I don't like 8, then I wipe the drive and install Windows 7. Its just that simple. I didn't like Windows 8 at first. After using the CP, I got to like certain aspects. As long as I can disable Metro using a tweak or the registry, its all good. For $40.00 i certainly won't complain. Why are you?

I notice that the third-party companies are already putting out software to handle the glaring deficiencies in Windows-8 for those of us who do serious content creation. On the other hand, why tack on add-ons to Windows-8, when Windows-7 works just fine?

TsarNikky said,
I notice that the third-party companies are already putting out software to handle the glaring deficiencies in Windows-8 for those of us who do serious content creation. On the other hand, why tack on add-ons to Windows-8, when Windows-7 works just fine?

What glaring deficiencies? Lol what kind of "serious content creation" could you possibly do that focuses on the start menu so much?

Have a prelease of w8 pro and find that, after removing the default metro interface and substituting program file shortcuts, w8 is pleasant to use. This is together with using the stardock mods which gives the option of a w7 user interface and hiding the awful charms bar. I have added a shutdown button to the task bar and with also inserting the stardock shortcut on the task bar can switch to either conventional or modified metro interfaces. W8 is slightly faster than W7 but I am not keen on the revised function settings and tools as used in the microsoft office progs. All in all, could not see reason in an expenditure for an OS that gives only marginal advantage over w7 but am running them dual to see if my opinion changes.

To give hardware manufacturers enough time to get their drivers ready, and software developers time to create software that makes use of it's new features.

Edited by virtorio, Sep 29 2012, 1:19am :

It has been almost 2 months since RTM, and Windows 8 only holds around 0.3% of the total market share while Windows 7 holds around 2.5% at the same time window.

Data itself speaks.

as a business owner, are customers able to upgrade to windows 8 right now or has Microsoft not made the upgrade copy available to download and install and put in the upgraded key?

DrOmango said,
as a business owner, are customers able to upgrade to windows 8 right now or has Microsoft not made the upgrade copy available to download and install and put in the upgraded key?

Windows 8 is not released to the public yet. Oct 27 is the day.

it's cracked long time ago ... final RMT ...
but i wasn't pleased with problems witch it cause me with some applications .. and did downgrade to win 7 Ultimate x64 sp1 ..

Raa said,

Not sure if i'd call it a downgrade

It's a massive downgrade. The desktop is much improved on 8. Loads of little improvements that make up a big difference.

NiGhtPiSH said,
30 days until a proper activator is released. Arrrr!
You rather steal than spend $40.00? How cheap does Windows need to be for you to legally pay for it? For what Windows can do, its worth over $1000 of more. It works with every single PC accessories sold on the market, something the Mac will NEVER have. No other desktop OS has as many apps either.

Windows has been certified for usage by the US Government for desktop usage. No other OS has received this stamp of approval, not even OSX or Unix.

Oh and moving to Windows 8 won't make 350M accessories obsolete like Apple's new connector did.

Stop being a thief. Stealing Windows is so Chinese. There is no reason to steal $40.00.

TechieXP said,
You rather steal than spend $40.00? How cheap does Windows need to be for you to legally pay for it? For what Windows can do, its worth over $1000 of more. It works with every single PC accessories sold on the market, something the Mac will NEVER have. No other desktop OS has as many apps either.

Windows has been certified for usage by the US Government for desktop usage. No other OS has received this stamp of approval, not even OSX or Unix.

Oh and moving to Windows 8 won't make 350M accessories obsolete like Apple's new connector did.

Stop being a thief. Stealing Windows is so Chinese. There is no reason to steal $40.00.


Agreed. I cant wait til it's released so I can put Windows 7 and Windows Vista (what two of my machines shipped with) and then upgrade so I can finally have a legit copy of windows and not have to worry about going broke or having issues attempting to pirate it.
The upgrade price is fantastic.

The return of the desktop Start menu! And a way to disable Metro.
(In response to the biggest amount of customer complaints in history.)

drazgoosh said,
I'd like to see the look on the faces of the haters when Windows 8 becomes the most popular OS to date.
Don't fight with facts, stupid people can't handle the truth. Even Vista sold more copies than all versions of OSX combined. LMAO!!!!

Raa said,

That's no laughing matter.

It is to me, i enjoy laughing at people who cant adapt to change. When it's clearly better. Only thing the Start Menu was useful for was search, and thats much better with the new Start screen/Metro.

NoClipMode said,
It is to me, i enjoy laughing at people who cant adapt to change. When it's clearly better.

Perhaps it's clearly better for you, but that doesn't make it "clearly better" for everyone.

NeoPogo said,
What can we expect? NO Start button! hahaahahahahahahah
Why do you need one? The Metro screen is a perfect start menu. Plus you see many apps update in real time which is not possible on the start menu. The problem with simple minded people and being creatures of habit, they dont accept change. The start menu is old. I stopped using it anyways. That si what the taskbar is for. All the apps I use most are already pinned to the taskbar.

I'm more excited about Surface Pro than Windows 8 coming out soon. Why is that Surface Pro will come out 3 months after Windows 8 but Surface RT will come out with the OS??

A340600 said,
I'm more excited about Surface Pro than Windows 8 coming out soon. Why is that Surface Pro will come out 3 months after Windows 8 but Surface RT will come out with the OS??

Probably to let people try out Windows 8 on their desktop/notebooks and for people to try out Windows RT on tablets. Once people embrace those two, they'll want Windows 8 on their tablets... and so will probably go out and purchase a Surface Pro to go along with their desktop/notebooks.

I do hope Microsoft have convinced (or bothered to try to convince) Facebook and Spotify to create "Metro" apps, if the companies weren't already doing so. Those are the two most important apps for me (at the moment, as I will end up using Xbox Music if that includes automatic Facebook sharing of listens), especially as there is currently no way to receive toast Facebook notifications on Windows 8. Ideally, the People app would include toast notifications, but those are currently missing. Apple have yet again got there first and have already included toast Facebook notifications on OS X

Calum said,
I do hope Microsoft have convinced (or bothered to try to convince) Facebook and Spotify to create "Metro" apps, if the companies weren't already doing so. Those are the two most important apps for me (at the moment, as I will end up using Xbox Music if that includes automatic Facebook sharing of listens), especially as there is currently no way to receive toast Facebook notifications on Windows 8. Ideally, the People app would include toast notifications, but those are currently missing. Apple have yet again got there first and have already included toast Facebook notifications on OS X

Don't worry facebook has been most likely been working on an app for a long time since Microsoft owns a part of facebook.. cant speak for spotify but Slacker has their app and I don't see spotify just sitting back and not making one

Bill Reilly said,

Just to make my previous comment more clear to anyone reading, when I said there is no way to get toast Facebook notifications, I meant no official way (meaning neither Microsoft nor Facebook have implemented them), like the official implementation in OS X.

I knew applications could use the Windows 8 Notifications API for this, but I didn't know of FlipToast, so thank you very much for suggesting it to me. It seems as if it will do the job until an official implementation is added, but unfortunately, I'm receiving an error whenever I try to add my Facebook account, no matter what I try It doesn't provide an error message; it just tells me it can't connect. I thought it would be something to do with me having Login Approvals enabled or not having set a FlipToast App Password, but it doesn't appear to be any of those issues. Hopefully I can figure it out soon, or find a suitable temporary replacement.

Thanks again

Calum said,

Just to make my previous comment more clear to anyone reading, when I said there is no way to get toast Facebook notifications, I meant no official way (meaning neither Microsoft nor Facebook have implemented them), like the official implementation in OS X.

I knew applications could use the Windows 8 Notifications API for this, but I didn't know of FlipToast, so thank you very much for suggesting it to me. It seems as if it will do the job until an official implementation is added, but unfortunately, I'm receiving an error whenever I try to add my Facebook account, no matter what I try It doesn't provide an error message; it just tells me it can't connect. I thought it would be something to do with me having Login Approvals enabled or not having set a FlipToast App Password, but it doesn't appear to be any of those issues. Hopefully I can figure it out soon, or find a suitable temporary replacement.

Thanks again

Well 8 hasnt been officially released so we dont know what type of Facebook integration their will be or what Facebook could be working on. Just be patient.

TechieXP said,
Well 8 hasnt been officially released so we dont know what type of Facebook integration their will be or what Facebook could be working on. Just be patient.

You're right; that's why I said "if the companies weren't already doing so" and "but those are currently missing" I just think it makes sense for me to mention it now, in case Microsoft and/or Facebook aren't working on something, because if they aren't working on something and they get feedback from many people that those customers would like it, they may get to work on it.

Calum said,

You're right; that's why I said "if the companies weren't already doing so" and "but those are currently missing" I just think it makes sense for me to mention it now, in case Microsoft and/or Facebook aren't working on something, because if they aren't working on something and they get feedback from many people that those customers would like it, they may get to work on it.

I personally expect Windows 8 will have integration because the phone does, and the new Xbox update will too.

I like pretty much everything about Win8, the only thing that annoys me to no end is that a lot of the apps don't allow you to scroll using your track/touch pad. Like the reader app, you have to use the scroll bars. Only the start screen allows you to scroll by moving your mouse to the edge of the screen, why is that not implemented in all the other apps that scroll sideways

Stoffel said,
I like pretty much everything about Win8, the only thing that annoys me to no end is that a lot of the apps don't allow you to scroll using your track/touch pad. Like the reader app, you have to use the scroll bars. Only the start screen allows you to scroll by moving your mouse to the edge of the screen, why is that not implemented in all the other apps that scroll sideways

That's an annoyance I have, too. I don't understand why this isn't possible in all apps. The scrollbar even being present on the Start screen annoys me, especially as we don't have to use it when we're using a mouse, because I find it ruins the look of the Start screen. I realise they have to make some things simple for computer illiterate people, but it would be nice if they would allow us to turn these ugly, unneeded UI elements off, for those of us who know we can scroll by moving our mouse to the side.

Stoffel said,
I like pretty much everything about Win8, the only thing that annoys me to no end is that a lot of the apps don't allow you to scroll using your track/touch pad. Like the reader app, you have to use the scroll bars. Only the start screen allows you to scroll by moving your mouse to the edge of the screen, why is that not implemented in all the other apps that scroll sideways

I totally agree with you... some apps you have to click and then use the scroll wheel .. some don't scroll at all. and some you actually have to grab the bar at the bottom.. can be frustrating

Lachlan said,

I totally agree with you... some apps you have to click and then use the scroll wheel .. some don't scroll at all. and some you actually have to grab the bar at the bottom.. can be frustrating

What will really be annoying is if you get use to one of those, and then they decide to unify and make them all the same, just the one you got use to lol.

Stoffel said,
I like pretty much everything about Win8, the only thing that annoys me to no end is that a lot of the apps don't allow you to scroll using your track/touch pad.

This has been my #1 beef for a while. I have the Vizio laptop which has a great touchpad, and many gestures work ok, but two finger scrolling is incredibly inconsistent between apps. WTF?!

And why can I not pinch to zoom on news items in the Bing News app? Can you? I wonder if tablets can, I'd love to know, because that is getting old quick. I do love that I can open those items in a browser, and search throughout the news for keywords. Lots of bugs, more like mosquitoes really, no real deal breakers in the bugs dept. but there are quite a few of them.

Stoffel said,
I like pretty much everything about Win8, the only thing that annoys me to no end is that a lot of the apps don't allow you to scroll using your track/touch pad. Like the reader app, you have to use the scroll bars. Only the start screen allows you to scroll by moving your mouse to the edge of the screen, why is that not implemented in all the other apps that scroll sideways

I *think* this is because scrolling on the "metro" app is supposed to be done via touch with a touch screen device. So for some reason it is not functioning properly with a mouse/touch pad. Hopefully they fix this soon, either software update for Windows or drivers for devices.

Biggest failure would be Vista, since driver compatibility sucked out of the box.

I've been running Win8 on my year old laptop (got it as part of our enterprise licensing) and it's been fine. It's no Vista. Getting to a login prompt in about 13 seconds after pressing the power button is neat.

BearDown said,
Biggest failure would be Vista, since driver compatibility sucked out of the box.

I've been running Win8 on my year old laptop (got it as part of our enterprise licensing) and it's been fine. It's no Vista. Getting to a login prompt in about 13 seconds after pressing the power button is neat.

Rewriting history or just don't remember ME?

ILikeTobacco said,
Rewriting history or just don't remember ME?

I knew Vista was terrible, but I jumped from 98 to XP, never once touched ME, what's so terrible about it?

I wonder if Windows 7 will get a second service pack? Windows 8 will not be touching my computer, until they make Metro completely & 100% optional with a service pack!

Won't happen. Just as the UI change of Vista was refined to give us Windows 7 so too will Windows 9 interface be a refined 8. Is 8 perfect, heck no, but give it a try and you'll get used to it.

Sadelwo said,
Won't happen. Just as the UI change of Vista was refined to give us Windows 7 so too will Windows 9 interface be a refined 8. Is 8 perfect, heck no, but give it a try and you'll get used to it.

Indeed, pretty sure 'Metro' will stay for quite a while, just like that crazy desktop thing they introduced back in Windows 95.

Asrokhel said,
I wonder if Windows 7 will get a second service pack? Windows 8 will not be touching my computer, until they make Metro completely & 100% optional with a service pack!

Clearly, someone else who has serious data-entry/creation needs and requirements. Tap and scratch just doesn't "do it" for data entry/creation. Data consumption? Certainly.

TsarNikky said,

Clearly, someone else who has serious data-entry/creation needs and requirements. Tap and scratch just doesn't "do it" for data entry/creation. Data consumption? Certainly.

Use a damn keyboard then!

Asrokhel said,

I don't use XP, and I bought the OEM copy of Win7 Ultimate x64 in November of last year, after using Vista Home Premium since I built my computer almost 4 years ago. But thanks for being an idiot!

Just trying to prove a point. People like you simply just don't like change, until you (ironically) get used to it, either by own will when everybody elses uses it, or by force when you realize there's no other way.

Haters gonna hate.

I hated Windows 8 for 3 months, but now I got used to it, and NOW I feel like I can make an objective opinion about it because I have EMBRACED it, and because I have given it a chance. A proper chance. As in actually TRYING to get used to it instead of just throwing it away at first glance.

It's a typical and annoying attitude in general, and it sickens me a lot. I appologize for being a little tedious with that comment. It was a figurative comment - it wasn't meant to be taken 100% seriously.

ffMathy said,

Just trying to prove a point. People like you simply just don't like change, until you (ironically) get used to it, either by own will when everybody elses uses it, or by force when you realize there's no other way.

Haters gonna hate.

I hated Windows 8 for 3 months, but now I got used to it, and NOW I feel like I can make an objective opinion about it because I have EMBRACED it, and because I have given it a chance. A proper chance. As in actually TRYING to get used to it instead of just throwing it away at first glance.

It's a typical and annoying attitude in general, and it sickens me a lot. I appologize for being a little tedious with that comment. It was a figurative comment - it wasn't meant to be taken 100% seriously.

I completely agree with you.

Where are the commercials? Didn't they make some way before Windows 7's launch in the past? It seems like calm before the storm.

Since it got RTM, I hope to see some major "apps update" on oct 26. Because many included apps are of low quality and are not 100% stable.

SP1 soon?

tytytucke said,
Hopefully we will see some Good win 8 apps by then.

The first great, must-have app is already available. It is called Start8.

Emil Valsson said,
30 days until Microsoft's biggest failure ever.

keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better..

My market research shows me otherwise.. I showed windows 8 to a 60 year old lady that is a huge apple fan and has only had macs her entire life.. Shes an artist that thought it was so beautiful that she wanted to ditch her mac for it.. Thought it was interesting since their are soooooo many seniors and this seems fantastic for them

JessJess said,

Short lines? You think people will queue up at all for this? .....

well since its software that can be downloaded why would anyone line up?

Hum said,
What can we expect ? Short lines.

I sure hope so, I wanna be able to walk up to the store and get a Surface tablet without having to wait in line. The whole iPhone 5 camping out deal was stupid, I'd never do that for a tech gadget. They better ship out enough of them.