A bit more info on Windows Blue?

Even though Windows 8 has only been on the market for a short time we already know Microsoft is hard at work on the next version of the OS. The project is codenamed “Windows Blue” and is expected to launch next summer bringing improvements and new features to Windows 8 as well as debuting a new yearly update cycle for Microsoft’s OS.

There now seems to be a bit more info on the next version of Windows due to someone that posted on a Taiwanese forum. Members of that forum have identified the user as a Microsoft official so there might be some truth to what he’s saying but of course you should take this with a grain of salt.

He is supposedly running an alpha version of the next Windows with the version number 9622. Surprisingly he calls this Windows 9 though judging from that version number ( currently Windows 8 is at 9200 ) we think he’s actually talking about Windows Blue, which is supposed to retain the Windows 8 branding once it hits markets.

According to him this next version of Windows will keep the Metro visuals and Start Screen, so no surprises there. However, we are expecting some changes, with users being able to customize their Start Screen more easily with more resizable tiles a la Windows Phone 8.

Another tidbit of info on the UI front is that the Desktop will still be present but it will undergo even more flattening, so perhaps the taskbar will finally stop being translucent and the whole thing will be a bit more cohesive.

Lastly he mentions there will be an update to the kernel which will reach version 6.3. Windows Blue is supposed to bring a few deep changes to the OS and upgrading the kernel does indeed fit the bill.

As we mentioned before we can’t be sure of the accuracy of this info though it is certainly plausible. If we are right though, then this means we only have about 6 months to wait until launch so there are bound to be many leaks, and a lot more info by then.

So stay with us and let us know what you think. What’s the one feature that Windows Blue should bring?

Source: PCbeta.com | Thanks to our readers who tipped us off

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For those that say just get over it. The metro ui just plain sucks on a non-touch screen computer.

Metro ui is even worse on server 2012 (where you connect primarily with remote desktop) and trying to coax the hot bar to show up is annoying. All of my lab servers have classic shell installed.

Now I did take the plunge and upgraded my htpc to Windows 8 and installed Windows media center. I added wmc to the startup folder. Issue is that wmc won't even run until you switch to desktop mode... I installed classic shell and have it skip metro and go right into the desktop.

For the people I know using Windows 8 daily. They tell me that they spend 95% of their time in desktop mode. I'm not sure how you can say removing the start menu is a good move for the product.

I am using windows 8 and server 2012 and I can't stand metro. It's not that I don't get it (metro) I just don't like needing to go to another os to find things that were always right there in my start menu.

I hope they don't make Metro apps the default application for opening things such as image files, especially when your in the desktop environment. I got annoyed quite quickly when it came to pictures opening in the metro app, then having to close, leave the start menu and get back to the desktop. I changed the default program back to picture viewer but there will be a lot of people who think thats how you have to do it now.

I hope they make metro applications less of a pain in the ass to update, Even the ones produced by Microsoft don't automatically update (and even if they fix that they update from the internet which is useless for enterprise)

WSUS for metro applications

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"Another tidbit of info on the UI front is that the Desktop will still be present but it will undergo even more flattening, so perhaps the taskbar will finally stop being translucent and the whole thing will be a bit more cohesive."

In can confirm this. In addition, the maximization will be extended to the legacy side, replacing the desktop metaphor. WinForms applications which do not support maximization will use a floating canvas style similar to WebOS's "card view", allowing easy switching between windows whilst promoting the "single task" model.

Can hardly wait for this much needed update. I'm certain they'll have fixed the endless boot of death. If fixed, I'll gladly install.

What About this : Every App Group on the start screen is minimized to a single long tile showing pics of the apps in the group and on mouse-over/click/touch the group expands and you get to your app. to minimize the group you click anywhere else or on another group. You basically retain the metro (ModerN) principles...

Oh, and I am delighted by the idea of a more flattened desktop. I would like to see more integration with desktop and metro (not just in the UI front, but also with WinRT APIs for the desktop).

Rumors with a plethora of comments that have less understanding than most teenagers about technology.

Confusing kernel 'updates' with versioning updates. People wanting Explorer removed. A complete lack of even the most basic use of the Start Screen, yet ready to display their ignorance by making insane and inaccurate comments about the Start Screen.

This whole page and comments was like reading the opposite of reality, or a reality of how stupid people see the world.


Still amazed at how everyone thinks they are the experts and understand UI and usability better than the leading research company on the topic, 'Microsoft'.

And of course there are the fear based responses of people claiming to cling to older OSes, just as they did with Win95, Win98, WinXP, and Win7. All of which never happened, and even these people emerged to find themselves happy with the new versions of Windows.

So for now install your 'Start Menu Buttons, just like people installed Win 3.1 File manager and even Booted to a DOS prompt, clinging to the past, but notice which side of history you are really on.

[quote=thenetavenger said,]Still amazed at how everyone thinks they are the experts and understand UI and usability better than the leading research company on the topic, 'Microsoft'.
[quote]
roflmao, while I have upgraded to Windows 8 and more or less like it, I'm aware of it's flaws and some straight up turd sections, I also understand that people know what they want better than any research company.

And in your infinite knowledge you seem to rewrite history for Microsoft, totally omitting that it is know for productivity, not necessarily UI usability. That mantra has always belonged to Apple. In fact, MS' inability to produce a usable UI for tables and mobile phones for years is what put them in such a deep hole that they had to make the choice to place a UI that Microsoft has stated was designed for touch on their very successful desktop UI.

Windows 8 is clearly a stop-gap, it has to change. How, I don't know, we'll see. Calling people stupid based on their choice of what works for them, actually makes you look stupid.

Seems that this is realy Windows 9, build 9622 to related to the Windows 9 branch, If you want to know how it is possible that they are 422 build numbers higher (Win 8 has 9200) than Windows 8 on such a short time: this is because the first build numbers, I don't know how many, I think the numbers until 9400, are reservated for Windows 8, so probably the first build of Windows 9 was something like 9401. All number between 9200 and 9400 are for updates for Windows 8. Anyway, last known Windows Blue build number is 9220 from some weeks ago.

Also, the kernel will keep NT 6.2 for all the updates of Windows 8. But yes, for Windows 9, it will increase to NT 6.3.

*9400 is a random, possible number, it could be also 93xx, 95xx or 9600.

I think they need to make the desktop-to-metro and vice-versa transition a little more cohesive. The desktop isn't going anywhere and nobody wants it to. You must be crazy to think otherwise. If you don't need it, then unpin it from your start screen. Simple as that. Flattening it somehow might help. Don't know - need to see it to be able to say one way or another. Wonder how hard it would be to Touch Enable more of the desktop UI (ala Office 2013).

The biggest and coolest thing they can do is release simplified and modernized versions of more apps and allow you to switch from touch to desktop while editing the same document. That will be the ultimate experience - start working on a document in immersive mode, sit down for a coffee and switch to desktop. If they can make that sort of transition more streamlined the future of Windows could be amazing. The core OS is better than most, the overall UX could certainly use more work but it's not that big of a disaster in the end

Sadly yes.... people are cry babies on here because they are lazy or just simply not willing to adapt to a new workflow.... it's actually not even really a new workflow... it's just slight change.

Some of us in the business have better things to do than having to "deal with" a defective UI. Yes, Windows-8 is great for the "tap and scratch" consumer crowd. But, for the business community who struggling to make a profit with unsophisticated users, Windows-7 and XP will "do" just nicely, thank you.

Dot Matrix said,
are people still crying over the start menu? Seesh...

Are you still having serious issues dealing with views and opinions other than your own? Sheesh...

.Neo said,

Are you still having serious issues dealing with views and opinions other than your own? Sheesh...

ignorance is not opinion

.Neo said,

Are you still having serious issues dealing with views and opinions other than your own? Sheesh...

No, but considering that it's not going away, nor is the Start Menu of old coming back, why continue to complain? It's a bit childish, considering there are third party alternatives, no? If you actually sat down to use it as a dashboard for your PC, you would see it is far more functional than that old menu could ever be. If you don't want Metro apps, simply unpin them, or just completely uninstall them. Then you can pin your desktop apps, and folders to it, and carry on.

You're never more than a click away from the desktop at all times, plus there's also the Win+D shortcut that works from anywhere in the OS too that will take you back to your work.

You've got to be kidding me if you thought they were getting rid of it... lol. It's here to stay and I'm glad it is.

Will the needs and requirements of the traditional business and serious computer users be heard? They were ignored for Windows-8 by pandering to the consumer and touch-centric users. Microsoft really needs to get back into servicing both types of users.

"Serious computer users use Linux."

Now that is funny. However, I'm sure you and the other three guys who use Linux believe you are perfectly serious.

I would like to see the ribbon in File Explorer look more like the rest of the Windows 8 UI, i.e. get rid of the Windows Vista icons on the ribbon and make them look like they do in Office 2013. Plus maybe the ability to collapse groups on the Start screen for apps that you want there but don't want to have to go to 'All Apps' for.

And why can't we (on desktop) have the opportunity to turn Areo Tranperant on or off?
I hate this flat desktop UI crap.

I agree we need to find the file browser easier, they need to add more features to the press and hold or right click on tiles, for example they should have browse files from a tile..
Other than that I really love the windows 8, just want to see more cross platform. I don't like buying fruit ninja on my pc and need to buy it on the phone and xbox. I thought they were all going to be the same code??

I was really thinking that Windows Blue would stick at the NT 6.2 kernel, for a couple of new features is a new kernel weird, no?

Anyway, I'm expecting new icons like used in Office 2013.

Edited by Studio384, Dec 25 2012, 1:57pm :

win8/metro isn't that bad guys. sure, i hate it at first but eventually it grew on me and i started using metro start screen, split screening, and gasp, metro apps. it's quite good.

i do disable the metro elements (no corner hotspot, boot into desktop, enabled start button) via classic shell on some of my machines that i use primarily for work/gaming. it's virtually identical to win7 this way except you get the benefit of the updated win8 kernel, all the non-metro os enhancements like combined file transfer window, beefed up task manager, etc.

i keep the metro elements enabled on my notebook (web surfing) and slate (asus ep121). you haven't lived until you play metro's 'spider' solitaire with a touchscreen.

ingramator said,
OK. Rest in peace like the people who said theyd never go to the GUI because it was for morons.

It's amazing how some people get their butts hurt because someone doesn't like their favorite OS.

It's not about disliking a favorite OS. The user was pointing out the same reactions people had about GUI in the 80's. Whether you like it or not, it is the future of computing. You can't change that.

Meph said,
No, this is not Windows Blue. Windows 9 and Blue are on separate release branches.

Think Microsoft will upgrade the Kernel with a live running release is just madness.
I will be very, very surprised if MS would do something like this and really doubt it will ever happen. If it was for their love of backwards compatibility alone.
And since Windows 9 was branched off from Windows 8 even before Windows 8 became RTM.
So as the person itself said, this will be Windows 9, not Blue.

techhahn said,
Windows 9 will be the end of windows dominating.

The year of the mac? HAHA.. wait surely not the year of the Linux desktop... or is it ... the year of the google chromebooks?

techhahn said,
Windows 9 will be the end of windows dominating.

Considering Linux doesn't even have 1% userbase and theres still more VISTA users than MacOS it wont happen so unless you know of some secret OS being created by the time W9 comes out dream on.

may be mac. If ms just goes on destroying true desktop experience by adding some touchscreen crap then there are chances for mac n linux..

Lastwebpage said,
I don't know what will happens in Win 9, but I am 80% sure something will happens with the "Desktop"

I'm 100% sure, since it says so in the article ...

No, I mean not the the taskbar or the Windows get another design, or this start button, I mean more "dramatic" changes, whatever this could be.

I like windows 8 on my desktop its so so so much better then windows 7 But ....

Its UGLY as hell - the UI is for a Touch screen and Not in any way for a desktop .

If you are going to focus 100% on Touch then just say so and the rest of the world can move on to Ubuntu or Mac .

The people behind this Mess of windows 8 should be Fired and I do not think Microsoft will ever recover from this.

on a side note I just got a 2012 Mac Mini for $599
I do not even care about windows 8 or / Blue anymore lol

what a nice computer the mac mini is.

merry Christmas

The UI is not ugly as hell, its clean and modern, unlike the dirty UI you got with your new Mac mini which looks like 1992 with your unintuitive finder, app bar and ugly as hell icons/pictures. If you haven't even tried anything else yet have such a developed opinion about Windows, Ubuntu and OSX I think we can safely say anything you say is generally invalid.

hah turbo shrimp you wrote all that and still just ended up a failed troll. You enjoy your mac mini (didn't even know they still made those) and for someone that doesn't care about windows 8 you had no problem writing all that in a windows 8 post. Sounds like a little buyers remorse

TRC said,
I wouldn't call it modern looking, going back to flat solid colored UI elements like Windows 3.0

But you call OSXs grayscale dawn of computing interface modern right?

TurboShrimp said,
I like windows 8 on my desktop its so so so much better then windows 7 But ....

Its UGLY as hell - the UI is for a Touch screen and Not in any way for a desktop .

If you are going to focus 100% on Touch then just say so and the rest of the world can move on to Ubuntu or Mac .

The people behind this Mess of windows 8 should be Fired and I do not think Microsoft will ever recover from this.

on a side note I just got a 2012 Mac Mini for $599
I do not even care about windows 8 or / Blue anymore lol

what a nice computer the mac mini is.

merry Christmas


Mac Mini's... lulz.

ingramator said,

But you call OSXs grayscale dawn of computing interface modern right?

I don't recall mentioning OS X nor have I ever used it. I have Windows 7.

omgben said,
I know, right. And it's Mac OS X that looks like it's from 1992...

OS X isn't the operating system which is still stuck with 1990s selection dots and other legacy interface elements scattered all over the place. That's Windows you're thinking about.

.Neo said,

OS X isn't the operating system which is still stuck with 1990s selection dots and other legacy interface elements scattered all over the place. That's Windows you're thinking about.

OS X is stuck with a menu system that's a legacy of a single tasking operating system... and tacky skeuomorphic ui elements...

rfirth said,
OS X is stuck with a menu system that's a legacy of a single tasking operating system... and tacky skeuomorphic ui elements...

Doesn't matter how you spin things around, on a Mac you always know where to find the commands. Not to mention the extremely handy search feature where you can type in a command and be immediately directed to it. Unlike Windows where since Vista you have to guess on a per-app basis where commands are located: classic menu bar, hidden menu bar until you hit alt, ribbon, toolbar button, charms or some randomly placed button in a Metro app. It's a mess and there's no global command search feature. On top of that you're unlikely to encounter a single legacy interface element in OS X.

How exactly do you call Microsoft's own Fresh Paint app? For whatever reason that's not skeuomorphic design? Please. FYI, it's likely Jonathan Ive will get rid of most skeuomorphic interface design in OS X.

Mr Nom Nom's said,
IMHO I think we'll see WinRT expanded so that you can write traditional desktop applications in the desktop environment.
Opening up the Desktop on WindowsRT to Managed code would be nice.

Nazmus Shakib Khandaker said,
How do you know that isn't going to happen?

Desktop apps aren't designed for touch.

But the WinRT API could build in and mandate touch optimization. Just imagine that Win future versions of Windows, there would be an API called WinDRT (or Windows Desktop Runtime) that would be designed for more advanced software like Photoshop that require multi window interface. However, unlike Win32, WinDRT could provide the same benefits like WinRT by having sandboxing, touch & gesture optimization, system access limits, security, and battery & power efficient. Basically, why can't MS extended WinRT to have multiple Windowed interface? Windows Store would then allow installation of desktop apps only that are run on the WinDRT, Legacy Win32 apps would continue to be downloaded outside the store. Just a thought.

Just let it go. Microsoft is turning towards "Windows UI" for the future. Expect to see more and more of the standard desktop world meld into the new interface and not the other way around. The new interface is supposed to provide a fresh start and break incompatibility with malicious software while providing a unified UI across all platforms.

If the desktop is touched on RT, expect it to either be removed or to evolve to look like the new Windows UI.

There is nothing for me to let go. I have been a big advocate of Metro since the June 2011! I loved and still love metro since the Developer Preview of Windows 8. I mostly use metro apps, with exception of photoship, Visual Studio, and Microsoft Office.

My proposition of extending WinRT to the desktop only enhances the Windows 8 experience for apps that REQUIRE multiple Windows. Even if MS extends metro to support Multiple Windows, it still means MS is creating a "Desktop" using Metro, which I suggested on the previous post.

I hope they fixed Greyscale antialiasing
answers.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/forum/ie10-windows_8/internet-explorer-10-windows-8-font-rendering-blur/f3b33400-bb95-450c-9587-68adbf298a2f

There is nothing to be fixed, unfortunately. MS decided to ignore PC users with good, high resolution monitors. If you check new tablets and small laptops, the problem is not apparent; it just doesn't work on our PCs.

This is the reason IE10 has been disabled completely on my PC. I also installed the "ByPass Modern UI" which natively sends you on desktop on start and along with Start8, I've Windows 7 within Windows 8.

Here, read:

http://social.msdn.microsoft.c...de74-4044-940e-76e35a3e76b9

http://social.technet.microsof...1124-4e1c-9cc0-3b2acfd519dd

Features I would like Windows Blue to bring are:
1. Remove desktop feature entirely from Windows RT and make file explorer an integral part of RT Metro experience in order to keep all the file explorer functionality people want/expect in RT devices
2. Rename Windows RT to entirely something else to give it a different identity and differentiation from core Windows experience
3. Make the File Explorer present in Windows Core experience more Metro like and still more touch responsive while still keeping all the functionality hard core users come to expect of it (And please make it more visually appealing! Thanks! ).
4. Personally, I don't like flat colored tile colors. They look really cool and different sometimes but too flat and boring most of the times. While still retaining the minimal nature of the whole interface, please make the tiles more visually appealing either by tweaking how they are colored (may be use minimal gradients?) or how are they styled (may be a bit of depth or border or something?)
5. Target all the basic apps available for Windows Core experience to be present in Windows RT experience (Metro) as well. This would ensure users don't miss out on too much functionality if they decide to go all out on a Windows RT based device.
6. Again, if some apps have desktop, Windows Phone and Metro versions, they could be sold together on Windows Store, so that people could relate to all of them even when they switch on different devices and their workflow or experience doesn't get disturbed. And everything seems to just work!
7. Start menu. Not really needed. But bring a version of it which is optional for Core Windows Desktop Users. And also allows to launch all Windows apps directly from Desktop. People working on a desktop and who are even power users find it a bit of a hassle sometimes to go to Metro Screen to launch their apps. Also, in that new Start Menu we could have all the Power Control Panel shortcuts, Run dialog, Search option, App shortcuts, Pinned Apps(along with recent files), etc.

Straight away it would appear you don't own a surface or windows Rt device, if you do, then your opinion is that of a non power user. Removing the desktop from windows RT is not what we want. I'm In the desktop environment all the time, file explorer is the greatest directory file browser available, why dump it for some new bug ridden metro version? The settings are another thing, most of them are still in control panel and not in pc settings, once they have ALL been migrated then we can start thinking about chopping it out of RT and leaving it as an option. Other things like cmd, powershell, task manager... the list goes on are so powerful and having them on a tablet with the NT kernel? AWESOME. We like choice, don't axe the desktop, you are in denial if you think we can just leave it behind. Your other points are kinda valid, mostly opinion, I actually think making a basic file explorer for metro is a good idea and hopefully we will get even more customisability options for the start screen. The start menu is dead, leave it die in peace, it has served its time, we must now move forward.

ingramator said,
Straight away it would appear you don't own a surface or windows Rt device, if you do, then your opinion is that of a non power user. Removing the desktop from windows RT is not what we want. I'm In the desktop environment all the time, file explorer is the greatest directory file browser available, why dump it for some new bug ridden metro version? The settings are another thing, most of them are still in control panel and not in pc settings, once they have ALL been migrated then we can start thinking about chopping it out of RT and leaving it as an option. Other things like cmd, powershell, task manager... the list goes on are so powerful and having them on a tablet with the NT kernel? AWESOME. We like choice, don't axe the desktop, you are in denial if you think we can just leave it behind. Your other points are kinda valid, mostly opinion, I actually think making a basic file explorer for metro is a good idea and hopefully we will get even more customisability options for the start screen. The start menu is dead, leave it die in peace, it has served its time, we must now move forward.

+1 to that, even if you don't use desktop, what benefit is it removed?

No, I don't have a Windows RT device but do have Windows 8. The point about power users was made in the context of Windows 8 and not for Windows RT where it would make much more sense to have file explorer as a seamless part of the Metro experience. Wherever I was speaking about Windows core experience, I meant Windows 8 experience. Sorry for the ambiguity.

I agree with you that file explorer is brilliant but don't you think it means nothing to a newbie who is coming from an iPad experience, or an absolute fresher and that it would work more charmingly and cohesively inside Metro experience rather than out of it? File Explorer can still continue to exist in Windows 8 in its current form but definitely needs to be chopped out from RT.

And start menu is far from dead. They could have turned it into a much more productive tool in itself but decided to ditch it. Navigation within any OS (mobile or desktop) is an experience in itself, to reach anywhere you want in 2-3 clicks or less and Start Menu was an excellent facilitator for that. Interaction Design was badly ignored or not taken care of sufficiently enough while removing it!

Act of moving your fingers or mouse (and perhaps eyes!) all over the screen (which is usually 10.6 in or more, and wide) in Metro experience just because you want to launch a particular application seems utterly ridiculous to me (And that too not just the corners, but the middle of the screen as well).

Ahh ok man, yeah I definitely think s metro file explorer is a great idea especially for the ex-ipad crew. But still I think the desktop is still to powerful to completely ditch because as i said, CMD, PowerShell ok they are mainly pro tools but you get my drift, its cool having them on a low power consuming tablet! As for the start menu, I liked I could never find the stuff I needed without having to go for the keyboard, the search bar in it was the only thing that kept it usable. I personally love the new start screen but believe me, when I first saw it in the dev prev, I was a bit sceptical that it would prove to be better! Anyway, after a while it grew on me and I realised that it was so much easier to not only get to the content I wanted, but see it in an instant with live tiles.

I also think metro bridges that gap between all(ok some are still being updated to reflect the new look and style.. cough cough calendar) MS services and devices. I can now go between my W8 pro/enterprise, RT, WP7.8/8, xbox 360, skydrive, outlook, office 365 and not feel as if everything is disjointed and i have to start thinking differently. The common main UI across W8/RT/WP8/XB is great for consumers and it has definitely helped Apple gain marker share traction in places it wouldn't be before.

I agree with the "too much scrollin" for guys with big monitors (like myself) but don't forget search is still there (faster then ever!) and you map the apps you use the most closest to the bottom left corner. Hopefully this "Windows Blue" update will actually bring a mini tile option for the desktop users and their precision gaming mice

Mohitster said,
1. Remove desktop feature entirely from Windows RT and make file explorer an integral part of RT Metro experience in order to keep all the file explorer functionality people want/expect in RT devices

This makes absolutely no sense. The desktop experience is a must have for an RT device to *really* be a content management/creation OS. It could use better metro styling as well as have a bunch of it's functionality brought into metro to avoid having to switch to it... but in no way should it be removed at any point. You rarely touch the Desktop, but when you need it... you *need* it.
Mohitster said,
2. Rename Windows RT to entirely something else to give it a different identity and differentiation from core Windows experience

I kind of agree. I'd prefer Windows Modern (WinM).
Mohitster said,
3. Make the File Explorer present in Windows Core experience more Metro like and still more touch responsive while still keeping all the functionality hard core users come to expect of it (And please make it more visually appealing! Thanks! ).

The Desktop UI should become a bit more touch friendly, or at least have that option. But, generally, it's touch responsive enough to get in there and get something done if you don't want to dock, pull out a keyboard etc.
Mohitster said,
4. Personally, I don't like flat colored tile colors. They look really cool and different sometimes but too flat and boring most of the times. While still retaining the minimal nature of the whole interface, please make the tiles more visually appealing either by tweaking how they are colored (may be use minimal gradients?) or how are they styled (may be a bit of depth or border or something?)
I agree and disagree. I love the flat look. I don't understand why people obsess over gradients, drop shadows, embossing etc. It's like everybody needs to have PhotoShop take over their lives to make it cool. However, it's up to the app designers... if the market wants it, it will happen.
Mohitster said,
5. Target all the basic apps available for Windows Core experience to be present in Windows RT experience (Metro) as well. This would ensure users don't miss out on too much functionality if they decide to go all out on a Windows RT based device.

Agreed. However, the market is filling in those gaps. The only things I'd like to see are more of the customization of the control panel brought into the Settings Screen. They hit all the big bullet points at launch, it's time to nail down the rest.
Mohitster said,
6. Again, if some apps have desktop, Windows Phone and Metro versions, they could be sold together on Windows Store, so that people could relate to all of them even when they switch on different devices and their workflow or experience doesn't get disturbed. And everything seems to just work!

I agree here too. However, MS would have to find a way to do licensing on the windows desktop. I don't think I want them screwing around in that area. Let app developers offer activation codes/logins and make their apps free to download.
Mohitster said,
7. Start menu. Not really needed. But bring a version of it which is optional for Core Windows Desktop Users. And also allows to launch all Windows apps directly from Desktop. People working on a desktop and who are even power users find it a bit of a hassle sometimes to go to Metro Screen to launch their apps. Also, in that new Start Menu we could have all the Power Control Panel shortcuts, Run dialog, Search option, App shortcuts, Pinned Apps(along with recent files), etc.

No offense, but if you're a power user and having problems launching from the desktop experience... then you're not a power user. You're not even a novice.

Mohitster said,
Features I would like Windows Blue to bring are:
1. Remove desktop feature entirely from Windows RT and make file explorer an integral part of RT Metro experience in order to keep all the file explorer functionality people want/expect in RT devices

I Agree 100%. I don't own a Windows RT device but I do own a Windows 8 tablet (none RT). The RT version should not give you the option to go to the desktop. It takes users out of the tablet experience. From the very 1st time I heard they were leaving the desktop button on the RT tablets I thought they were nuts.

I guess Pro users like having that option but for everyone else, it just makes the RT look like junk. Then Microsoft wonders why the iPad and Android is kicking their ass. Do those 2 tablets let you drop out of the touch UI and go to some foreign land? Anyone who wants to use the desktop mode should get a RT Pro.

Removing the desktop from RT makes perfect sense. Microsoft needs to differentiate their product lines and positioning Windows RT as a consumption oriented device makes perfect sense. Deliver Office for touch devices (don't say it can't be done right, they're making it for iPad and Android tablets) and make a File Explorer for the metro environment and ditch the dekstop alltogether. No regular consumer (you know, the ones MS needs in the mobile space) needs or wants x86 applications on their tablet, and supporting them is already handled by Windows 8 Pro for those niche consumers.

It amazes me that people refuse to see the desktop on Windows RT as anything but bootstrapped on to support Office. Once Microsoft delivers Office Metro it will disappear, and RT will become a platform that makes a lot more sense, and is positioned more precisely within the Windows 8 stack.

contextfree said,
Tiles in Windows 8 aren't actually flat colored and already do use gradients, just very subtle ones.
Indeed, and I hope Microsoft is going to keep it that way.

I would like to see a built in modern file explorer, but the Desktop should be left as is.

I use my Surface RT mainly for school and entertainment, but the Windows File Explorer is a must when I I have to manage files, access a network share, etc. I'm a network administrator at work. I don't need a Surface Pro. My RT does way more than I need it to do.

I bet they add a new feature called "start button" it will be grate, it will allow users to more easily shutdown, search for and open applications. It will also allow you to launch the new metro screen (called modern UI).

Upton installing you will get an option for touch screen or mouse. You can choose the other option later if you choose to switch. The Touch screen option will be optimized for touch screens and the mouse button will include the new start menu feature

There will also be improvements in speed and DX12 (that will only be supported in windows blue, no previous versions of windows)

It will be the fastest, most stable version of windows yet and shutdown and startup faster than any previous windows.

There will be cheap upgrade options for those who buy windows 8 machines around the time of release.

It will come with better support for devices such as the kenect, and voice recognition.

It will feature IE 12.

It may only come in 64bit no more 32bit. And also have better support for multi cpu's and cores.

We will not see a 128bit CPU supported windows blue, reasons obvious ofc that we dont need more than 16 exbibytes of addressable memory (max of 340.3 undecillion bytes physical limits make such large amounts of memory currently impossible, given that amount greatly exceeds the total data stored on Earth.)

Thats my bets.

Edited by Vester, Dec 25 2012, 10:45am :

From my understanding, blue will be free. It's supposed to be more like a yearly update that we see with smartphones and tablets.

MrAnalysis said,
I bet they add a new feature called "start button" it will be grate, it will allow users to more easily shutdown, search for and open applications. It will also allow you to launch the new metro screen (called modern UI).

Come out of your cave.... The Start Screen is much better for searching. I get 120 search results displayed to me on it, compared to just 20 results in the cramped old Start Menu. I get LIVE Tiles that update and show me info without actually having the launch the app. I don't have tons of folders and sub folders i have to hunt through to open an app. I have more customisation. I can move the Start Screen on to other screens and then launch apps on the same screen its on.

It's called "change" and it's for the better.

pack34 said,
From my understanding, blue will be free. It's supposed to be more like a yearly update that we see with smartphones and tablets.
It's supposed to be a 6 monthly update, since Windows Blue is expected around April 2013.

1Pixel said,

Come out of your cave.... The Start Screen is much better for searching. I get 120 search results displayed to me on it, compared to just 20 results in the cramped old Start Menu. I get LIVE Tiles that update and show me info without actually having the launch the app. I don't have tons of folders and sub folders i have to hunt through to open an app. I have more customisation. I can move the Start Screen on to other screens and then launch apps on the same screen its on.

It's called "change" and it's for the better.

I was just trolling obvious stuff. Anyway as for the old start menu search i sort of agree with you the metro search is cool and i happen to love windows 8 and i am rocking it now, have been since beta, dev preview. Its installed on 3 of my machines out of 4.

Anyway that being said i also have Start8 installed on 2 and classic shell on another for the old style start menu, i find its quicker to shutdown with the old start menu and the search on them finds what i need instantly anyway when i need to search (very rare since everything i use is pinned to taskbar anyway) But yeah if i need to find something the old search does a good job in my opinion. Yes it does not categorize stuff like the metro one but it does work just fine.

I still see no reason for them not to add a simple option on the install for a start menu with modern ui. As a mouse user it does have its benefits. Its not necessary but it would be a welcome addiction to have back, i am all for being different and new dont get me wrong, but some ideas should just not be changed at least until the tech has caught up.

When we are all using hang gesters, voice rec, or touch screens then yes do away with it, but not before Jesus.

they should add metro folders inside start screen so we can group multiple metro apps / sites / pinned folders / or unimportant elements of any installed desktop app in All Apps section

subcld said,
they should add metro folders inside start screen so we can group multiple metro apps / sites / pinned folders / or unimportant elements of any installed desktop app in All Apps section

Hmmm I'm not so sure about folders... look at WP, there's been no folder system and there doesn't seem to be any plans for one. I would guess they're staying away from folders in the Start Screen, although if they're trying to phase out the desktop there will need to exist some sort of folder functionality that replaces the desktop one. I'd say tiles for specific folders that you can pin on the Start Screen but not app-folders where you can group live tiles together... I mean, you could always use those new smaller sized tiles and put them together, thus grouping them together even if not in a folder.

How about this idea - realise that the start page is customisable, unpin the applications you don't want and then pin the applications you do want. Don't use the 'all app' section unless you're launching an very uncommonly used one.

Again, learn the difference between the start page and the 'all apps' section - then you won't have the issues to begin with.

subcld said,
they should add metro folders inside start screen so we can group multiple metro apps / sites / pinned folders / or unimportant elements of any installed desktop app in All Apps section

Functionality is already there. Create a new group and give it a name. No need for stinkin' folders on my Start screen. That'd look bloody awful, plus it ruins the whole "live tile" experience.

Mr Nom Nom's said,
How about this idea - realise that the start page is customisable, unpin the applications you don't want and then pin the applications you do want. Don't use the 'all app' section unless you're launching an very uncommonly used one.

Again, learn the difference between the start page and the 'all apps' section - then you won't have the issues to begin with.


Also you can categorize. Make sections and what not, even name them.
Pin actual folders to the start menu, or anything else. It fully replaces any functionality a desktop gives.
Even better for the start screen haters. The start screen is nothing more then a modern combined desktop + start menu. But life in the past and stick to a split up start screen.

Mr Nom Nom's said,
How about this idea - realise that the start page is customisable, unpin the applications you don't want and then pin the applications you do want. Don't use the 'all app' section unless you're launching an very uncommonly used one.

Again, learn the difference between the start page and the 'all apps' section - then you won't have the issues to begin with.


lets fight lol calm down
first im already doing what you said

second in start screen instead of endless scrolling for all favorite apps adding a folder to one group like games then adding some games inside it will reduce the size of your games list and you don't have to keep scrooooooooooooling

third in All Apps when you install desktop app there some random stuff installed with it like help / documents / readme and so on adding a folder to group the useless stuff will make it more clean if you are looking for uncommonly used app

i know you are going to repeat the same words you said before but this my point and this what i want to see

Edited by subcld, Dec 25 2012, 7:09pm :

subcld said,


lets fight lol calm down
first im already doing what you said

second in start screen instead of endless scrolling for all favorite apps adding a folder to one group like games then adding some games inside it will reduce the size of your games list and you don't have to keep scrooooooooooooling

third in All Apps when you install desktop app there some random stuff installed with it like help / documents / readme and so on adding a folder to group the useless stuff will make it more clean if you are looking for uncommonly used app

i know you are going to repeat the same words you said before but this my point and this what i want to see

Yup, me too - always wanted them on Windows Phone as well. I've purchased a ton of Metro apps and I'm already doing a lot of swiping - God knows what it will be like a year from now!!

Pygmy_Hippo said,

Yup, me too - always wanted them on Windows Phone as well. I've purchased a ton of Metro apps and I'm already doing a lot of swiping - God knows what it will be like a year from now!!


and i thought im the only one. thank you for your support