Adobe confirms no Flash support in Windows Mobile 7

Adobe has confirmed that there will be no Adobe Flash support in Windows Mobile 7, at least at the initial launch. However, Microsoft and Adobe are working very closely together to add in support for Adobe Flash 10.1, shortly after the launch of Windows Mobile 7.

The quote published by Phone Scoop, and confirmed by an independent source, doesn’t mention Windows Mobile 7 directly: "Microsoft and Adobe are working closely together. While the newest version of Windows Phone won't support Flash at initial availability, both companies are working to include a browser plug-in for the full Flash player in future versions of Windows Phone. More details will be shared at Microsoft MIX next month."

All eyes will be on Steve Ballmer during at the Mobile World Congress for an announcement regarding Windows Mobile 7, and whether or not it will support Adobe Flash 10.1. Windows Mobile 6.5 currently supports Flash, unlike one of its biggest competitors, Apple's iPhone.

Adobe and Microsoft have yet to confirm the rumor, though Neowin will no doubt have a full confirmation soon, directly from the Mobile World Congress, which is being held from February 15 - 18.

 

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cabron said,
Apple probably is laughting about it

why? If anything apple would do, they'd be shaking ms hand right now and laugh at Adobe instead. Phsss these apple fanboys. They jump at ms throat at any chance they've got...pathetic really.

Edited by flexkeyboard, Feb 15 2010, 8:49am :

cabron said,
Apple probably is laughting about it
Nah, I think this is a just a rare case of both companies being on the same page about something.

cabron said,
Apple probably is laughting about it
At least WM7 will eventually get Flash, iPhone OS isn't going to get it at all for the foreseeable future. :P

What a strange co-incidence. Microsoft (trying to push silverlight) market a product that doesn't support its competitors product. It'll be a cold day in hell, before all the "working together with Microsoft" pays off for Adobe!

cabron said,
Apple probably is laughting about it

At least Microsoft is working with Adobe to support flash, instead of Apple's arrogance which just bans it. And Microsoft Silverlight is a competing product of Flash, so even so they are competitors, Microsoft is working hard to allow a competitors product to be supported in their OS. Apple on the other side will ban applications that even mention a competitor in the description text of the application, like it almost did when an app in iPhone store mentioned that it was a winner of some android contest. I have no idea why people idolize Apple so much, them being so arrogant and ego maniacal.

They'll have flash in WM7 for sure, it's probably just not in there yet. But later this year it should be ready. It's just a simple download later on when it's out.

At least this has come to light before a big conference and/or announcement.
I have no doubt that Flash will be working on WM7 within a couple of months of the initial release.

david said,
Why not on launch, I do not understand!

Simple really, Adobe are the slowest developers out there, I mean how long does it take to add GPU acceleration to a player?

CarlJ said,

Simple really, Adobe are the slowest developers out there, I mean how long does it take to add GPU acceleration to a player?

And 64-bit support? Forever.

Edited by Charles Keledjian, Feb 16 2010, 5:38pm :

I think WM7 shouldn't include flash just like apple. That would raise some attention and awareness to adopt HTML5 standard more quickly. Lesser the browser plugins, better the chances of overall stability. I am not apple/ms fanboy but I hate adobe's flash with passion.

But 100$ question is whether the WM7 browser HTML5 compliant?

sanke1 said,
I think WM7 shouldn't include flash just like apple. That would raise some attention and awareness to adopt HTML5 standard more quickly.

No, that would just make users angry.
It's why Windows still has a 32-bit version, Microsoft is not TRYING to support a cause like HTML 5 or 64-bit, they're trying to satisfy customers.

sanke1 said,
I think WM7 shouldn't include flash just like apple. That would raise some attention and awareness to adopt HTML5 standard more quickly. Lesser the browser plugins, better the chances of overall stability. I am not apple/ms fanboy but I hate adobe's flash with passion.

But 100$ question is whether the WM7 browser HTML5 compliant?

Of course it won't, the preview version of IE9 for the desktop didn't have it.

sanke1 said,
I think WM7 shouldn't include flash just like apple. That would raise some attention and awareness to adopt HTML5 standard more quickly. Lesser the browser plugins, better the chances of overall stability. I am not apple/ms fanboy but I hate adobe's flash with passion.

But 100$ question is whether the WM7 browser HTML5 compliant?

Sorry for double post, can a mod delete this. My internet is playing up.

Edited by thealexweb, Feb 15 2010, 9:44am :

sanke1 said,
I think WM7 shouldn't include flash just like apple. That would raise some attention and awareness to adopt HTML5 standard more quickly. Lesser the browser plugins, better the chances of overall stability. I am not apple/ms fanboy but I hate adobe's flash with passion.

But 100$ question is whether the WM7 browser HTML5 compliant?

no, the current version of pocketie does not support anything, let alone html5.
But with windows mobile, as they will hopeefully not use an app rejection machine like applle, you will be able to use opera mobile

sanke1 said,
I think WM7 shouldn't include flash just like apple. That would raise some attention and awareness to adopt HTML5 standard more quickly. Lesser the browser plugins, better the chances of overall stability. I am not apple/ms fanboy but I hate adobe's flash with passion.

But 100$ question is whether the WM7 browser HTML5 compliant?

WM7 will come with a version of IE7 for mobile, so that should give you an idea. besides, are you trying to, or even thinking of, playing some h264 vids on a phone? I dunno at what res and all that buy I don't know how good playback would be through html5 at this point.

GP007 said,

WM7 will come with a version of IE7 for mobile, so that should give you an idea. besides, are you trying to, or even thinking of, playing some h264 vids on a phone? I dunno at what res and all that buy I don't know how good playback would be through html5 at this point.


H.264 is quite efficient--especially with GPU acceleration. It's how the iPhone plays back video through the Youtube app (or any other app that does video from the App Store). Vimeo's mobile site also plays back movies using H.264.

Zune HD's H.264 decoding is probably accelerated as well through Tegra.

thealexweb said,

Of course it won't, the preview version of IE9 for the desktop didn't have it.

The preview of IE9 also has features missing that the head Microsoft developer will be in the final product - remember that what was shown was an early alpha with many features missing.

As for the video tag; the issue is the h264, the licensing costs and how that stacks up with other browsers out there. The best solution I think is for Microsoft to 'donate' their VC-1/WMV/WMA to HTML5 and allow royalty free playback on all browsers and devices. It would address the CODEC issue that exists today where on one hand there is VP3 which is poor quality and on the other hand there is h264 which is too expensive.

giga said,

H.264 is quite efficient--especially with GPU acceleration. It's how the iPhone plays back video through the Youtube app (or any other app that does video from the App Store). Vimeo's mobile site also plays back movies using H.264.

Zune HD's H.264 decoding is probably accelerated as well through Tegra.

You are forgetting the carrier's bandwidth limitations. Is phone, you can make hardware than handles streaming HD if you wish, but no carrier is ready for the bandwidth required. They are already ****ed and saturated with just browsing web pages.

Are their any new products that have Flash support? Can I get a job at Adobe it couldn't be very difficult they don't seem to do much of late.

Remember though that there is a rumor of Silverlight being available so web interactivity is still a possibility (albeit very limited). Also they did say "at launch" so chances are we will get Flash eventually.

It's good to know that the Flash platform is the absolute hardest platform to incorporate in the entire history of platforms.

That, or the development team has been subsidized with monkeys from Korea.

tuxplorer said,
IE Mobile ****. 5/100 on Acid3. :P LOL

How is this relevant at all in normal browsing? Name any page, except benchmark tests that uses Acid3 features. This is just a geek talking point. I assure you that when Acid3 features are used in more websites, IE will support them.

Hopefully Microsoft will add Silvelight to WinMo7 and all the great features and performance it has right now can be enjoyed on mobile browsers and applications.

I do see Flash coming to WinMo7 like this note says. I don't think MS would play the Apple gamble and go without Flash.

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