Another restaurant continues trend of banning Google Glass

Before Google Glass has even gone mainstream, steps are already being taken to prevent its usage in a number of ways. Lost Lake Cafe & Lounge in Seattle, WA is yet another restaurant banning use of the gadget by its customers. The venue didn't seem to show too much sympathy when it posted the new policy on its Facebook page:

We kindly ask our customers to refrain from wearing and operating Google Glasses inside Lost Lake. We also ask that you not videotape anyone using any other sort of technology. If you do wear your Google Glasses inside, or film or photograph people without their permission, you will be asked to stop, or leave. And if we ask you to leave, for God's sake, don't start yelling about your "rights". Just shut up and get out before you make things worse.

No shame whatsoever on Lost Lake's part. In March we reported that the 5 Point Cafe also located in Seattle banned Google Glass as well. While it's probably not great etiquette to be using Google Glass at a dinner table, the real concern is public use when it's unknown what owners are doing on these devices.

The trouble doesn't stop there. Just this month a woman from Los Angeles was fined for driving while using Google Glass. Don't Glass and drive, kids. Seriously though, you ought to keep your eyes completely on the road.

With this trend of banning Google Glass use in restaurants and while driving, could it be that already Glass is proving to be more trouble than its worth? Or perhaps it's just a sincere effort to tackle any possible issues with the new technology head-on.

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Privacy my butt. Customers armed with concealed recording devices are always bad for businesses, especially those that cut corners.

Why video recording devices are banned from theaters..bad for business. But it is not a huge story that video cams/web cams are banned from theaters and concert events. Just a big deal when some place mentions Google, Glass, and Banned in the same sentence.

Apparently the final product won't look anything like that. lol. It's going to look like regular glasses (two lenses), even the stems will be thin enough to look acceptable. The only way you'll know that they're G+lasses is the red LED on the left stem.

What puzzles me is why restaurants more than any other place?
Also, using a phone to film/take picture of others can be obvious of course, but if someone is really in the mindset of filming people inside a restaurant, that person can certainly purchase a miniaturized camera which can be attached to clothing, purse, hat, etc...there are even watches that can do this.
If it's someone's goal to take pictures/videos, there are other ways which are much more inconspicuous that google glasses (and likely much cheaper too).

It does kind of make one wonder what goes on in that restaurant

Who are the people trying to surreptitiously film others eating?
And, who are the people who are worried that someone might film them eating?

Probably a Mob hangout and the guys in Google glass are G-men. Or PIs working for housewives catching the hubby and mistress, just for starters.

The FBI has better ways to secretly record someone.

If I'm a PI, I'm using a watch or a pen cam. Plus, I've probably got better pictures of them in their car at a park, or coming and going from a shady motel.

There really can't be a good reason

Not sure why would anyone expect Google Glass to be allowed in any place were you are also not allowed to use any other kind of video recording device.

I would imagine Gym locked rooms, public bathrooms, and other places where there is a reasonable expectation of privacy is next. Probably need clarifying legislation. Yes you can use your phone but it is easier to see and stop invasion of privacy with a phone than with a head mounted camera, etc.

Eventually the technology will miniaturize to the point of being indistinguishable from normal outerwear/accessories and the only deterrent will be punishment for violating the law.

No different from many places banning cell phones or other devices.

What is funny is that people will still be able to take video with their cell phones and pictures which will have other people, not the intended targets, in the video/pic. But hey, that is accepted tech so it is ok to do that.

Whether or not wearable glasses like Glass, or others out there, will take off is up in the air. I remember when people called cell phones silly and people were called idiots or looked at weird if seen walking around in public talking on a cell phone. Now they are accepted. I imagine the same will happen here but whether or not it is Google that makes it happen, who knows. But banning products like this from places would happen if someone else was testing/using glass.

Edited by techbeck, Nov 27 2013, 12:32pm :

Seattle, WA? Obviously Microsoft paid them.

/s

These guys are my heros. The bit at the end just made me laugh, and I'm pretty sure I just woke my room mate.

Serious question though: If they weren't doing anything wrong, then why get mad?

Edited by Dot Matrix, Nov 27 2013, 12:23pm :

Dot Matrix said,
Serious question though: If they weren't doing anything wrong, then why get mad?

You dont have to do anything wrong to get mad at something when you think your rights are being infringed on. Its the principle for some that gets them heated.

techbeck said,

You dont have to do anything wrong to get mad at something when you think your rights are being infringed on. Its the principle for some that gets them heated.

The owner has the right to not allow you into their establishment. I don't know what rights this guy thought he had, but if you're not welcome, then there's not much you can do. That's called trespassing.

Dot Matrix said,

The owner has the right to not allow you into their establishment. I don't know what rights this guy thought he had, but if you're not welcome, then there's not much you can do. That's called trespassing.

Never said the owner doesnt have any rights or that anyone attitude towards the owner is acceptable. Just replied to your comment about why people get upset. Some people are just idiots so it doesnt take much.

Dot Matrix said,
Seattle, WA? Obviously Microsoft paid them.

/s

Your sarcasm aside, I'm certain this a move to drum up business in the Seattle area, where Microsoft employees are a driver of high-end restaurant success. This polarization may turn some customers off (smart Microsoft employees know this behavior will apply to Microsoft wearable tech too) but they could probably fill the place daily with Microsoft employees who favor Glass being banned for now. This tact keep this owner's businesses in the Seattle press.

Edited by waded, Nov 28 2013, 4:07pm :

neonspark said,
Glass is a flop. No need to ban it any more than you ban a Zune.

A Zune doesn't record me, then send that data back to Schmidt.

Edited by Dot Matrix, Nov 27 2013, 12:01pm :

thealexweb said,
If they asked me to leave because I was wearing it, whilst not recording, I would oblique but of course decline to pay.

Huh? So you would go stand diagonally beating your head against the wall to protest being asked to leave?

I would most likely decline to pay as well. Actually this could be a good strategy... order the best or most expensive meals, appetizers, wine, desert, etc... then take out your glasses.

JamesSB said,
Then get charged with dining and dashing.

In the UK we have a consumer law saying if you are unsatisfied with the service you have received in a restaurant you can leave without paying providing you leave your address. They can bar you for coming again but they can't force you to pay.

Hello,

"if we ask you to leave, for God's sake, don't start yelling about your "rights". Just shut up and get out before you make things worse."

I dont know so Im asking: Is it illegal to videotape on private property? I know its private but you cant just kill someone for the sake of it even if it is private property. Im asking just to know

riahc3 said,
Hello,

"if we ask you to leave, for God's sake, don't start yelling about your "rights". Just shut up and get out before you make things worse."

I dont know so Im asking: Is it illegal to videotape on private property? I know its private but you cant just kill someone for the sake of it even if it is private property. Im asking just to know

It's probably legal, but all shops usually have a "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason" notice. It will fall under that. As a private business they're free to be as discriminatory as they like.

"No shame whatsoever on Lost Lake's part" - That's a weird comment to make. Why should they be ashamed for making and enforcing this rule? As for the strong language used, perhaps they've already faced such a situation, and don't want other Glass owners looking for their 15 seconds of fame (infamy) deliberately showing up, creating a hue and cry over censorship and trying to gain mileage from the inevitable politicized controversy.

the primary reason to ban because it has recording ability,
and the possibility that google could easily obtained whatever was recorded by that thing.

What makes you think that? Could do much the same with any smartphone, albeit that wouldn't be on my head or have an indicator light on that it's recording.

Perhaps, when someone blathering on a cell-phone is asked to hang up and turn it off, they should do it, without any screaming about their "rights." The two devices go hand-in-hand.

is it OK to get your phone out in these places? you never know you might be secretly videoing or taking photos. What about vloggers, they out too?

Yazoo said,
is it OK to get your phone out in these places? you never know you might be secretly videoing or taking photos. What about vloggers, they out too?

Did you not even read that one little paragraph of what the restaurant stated?

"We also ask that you not videotape anyone using any other sort of technology"

I hope every restaurant in the country follows suit! It would be fantastic also if they DO/DID ban cell phones from public places.

cork1958 said,

Did you not even read that one little paragraph of what the restaurant stated?

"We also ask that you not videotape anyone using any other sort of technology"

I hope every restaurant in the country follows suit! It would be fantastic also if they DO/DID ban cell phones from public places.

I did read it hence my comment, but did you read what I wrote, maybe, but did you understand?

Google glass is not just for video recording just as phones are not. If they are banning Glass, cause you could be videoing they should also ban phones. Good luck with that one.

Seems real petty to me.

You have to point a phone to someone to make a picture, no matter how you do it... its kinda obvious to do that with a square block and you in a possible weird position.

Know those 18billion resolution drones hovering above our heads, you know, having your every move recorded without you ever knowing or finding out.
Same for the glasses. And this unrestricted recording of everyone without them having a possibility of ever knowing about it... Thats what makes people uncomfortable. And their good right! Glass is fun and all but **** off from other people's privacy, our privacy is getting screwed over hard enough by companies and governments, dont need people start doing that on massive scale too.

Yazoo said,

I did read it hence my comment, but did you read what I wrote, maybe, but did you understand?

Google glass is not just for video recording just as phones are not. If they are banning Glass, cause you could be videoing they should also ban phones. Good luck with that one.

Seems real petty to me.

Not banned from being in the restaurant. Just banned from being used in the restaurant.

We kindly ask our customers to refrain from wearing and operating Google Glasses inside Lost Lake.

If you want to bring it into the restaurant, feel free. Just don't turn it on and wear it.

As for phones, I think phones should also be banned from use in a restaurant. I really don't need to be hearing you screaming into your phone because there's too much ambient noise in the restaurant. Walk your ass outside to take the call.

It was cool when it was announced a couple of years ago. Now it looks kinda tacky.

Plus Googles rep isn't the greatest at the minute, they lost a customer here.

If googles privacy values were better than the NSA's I wouldn't mind so much, but lets face it, they have no intention of changing.

wingliston said,
Damn those glass holes!

I witnessed a gaggle of glass-holes at a developer event a few weeks ago. They were so smug and self-absorbed, it seemed like they actually thought that being seen in a group prevented them from looking like a bunch of d0uchebags. It was the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.

Millions of restaurants in the world and now a handful have banned google glass.. good to see there will be another few hundred thousand stories about it over the next decade.

This is the second/third article I've read about the banning of Google Glass inside a restaurant/cafe. It's because it's a new thing that there are news articles about it. Don't you worry there really won't be as many articles as more and more ban Glass.

Same owners or something it seems.

Taken from Facebook :

"Starting tomorrow, a New York culinary sensation is finally making its way to Seattle, available only at The 5 Point and Lost Lake Cafe."

The idea behind Google Glass is actually a very good one, futuristic I might say but the reputation of Google (for the privacy concerns) has pretty much ruined it for now and doubt it will be any better if any other company tried to make them.

"And if we ask you to leave, for God's sake, don't start yelling about your "rights". Just shut up and get out before you make things worse"

/classy

nitins60 said,
"And if we ask you to leave, for God's sake, don't start yelling about your "rights". Just shut up and get out before you make things worse"

/classy

About as classy as wearing the tacky looking thing into the restaurant to begin with, right?

nitins60 said,
"And if we ask you to leave, for God's sake, don't start yelling about your "rights". Just shut up and get out before you make things worse"

/classy


Ranting and raving about your 'right' to impede the rights of others and force them to tolerate you is certainly anything but 'classy'...

It's an excellent statement. People doing that understand nothing about the legal system and are just annoying. I love that they're frank about it. It's about time someone is, even as a company.

Northgrove said,
It's an excellent statement. People doing that understand nothing about the legal system and are just annoying. I love that they're frank about it. It's about time someone is, even as a company.

I absolutely agree 1,000%

TsarNikky said,
Amen!
More than likely wearers will be member of either the "me first" or the "its all about me" generations.

I don't think the Tea Party geezers would even know how to operate these...

Oh, you're insinuating that the younger generations are any less or more self-serving that any previous generations? That would be what's known as nonsense.