Apple: 51 million iPhones, 26 million iPads sold in Q1 2014

Apple announced its financial results for its fiscal first quarter of 2014, which equals the final quarter of the 2013 calendar year that ended Dec. 31. The press release states that for the quarter, 51 million iPhones and 26 million iPads were sold worldwide, compared to 47.8 million iPhones and 22.9 million iPads sold in the same period a year ago

Apple's press release also said that 4.6 million Mac computers were sold for the quarter, compared to 4.1 million for the same period a year ago. Overall, Apple brought in revenues of $57.6 billion for the quarter, compared to $54.5 billion for the same period a year ago. Net income was recorded as $13.1 billion, compared to $13.06 billion as year ago.

Even though the iPhone and iPad sales reached new records for Apple last quarter, the company's stock price is going down in after-hours trading today due to the results not meeting the expectations of most financial analysts. Apple also said that it expected revenues for its second fiscal quarter of 2014 to come in between $42 billion and $44 billion. If that indeed is the case it's possible the revenue number could be lower compared to the $43.6 billion Apple recorded in the same quarter a year ago.

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I haven't bashed Apple in anything I've said - I simply pointed out the reality of where the Mac is in relation to the rest of Apple.

Love seeing the typical Apple bashers come in here heartbroken that Apple isn't as "doomed" as they once thought. When I was in my twenties I hated Apple. I grew up, made 3 times the amount of money, and learned to enjoy both Apple and Microsoft's products. Very impressive numbers by a great company.

Yet, your comment in the MSFT thread about their results was tinged with negativity; no surprises there.

Pot, kettle, black, JHBrown. Want everyone to step up? Lead by example.

As a consumer, I don't see what's wrong with wanting more information about the products being sold. Are they successful? Are they not? If not, will they continue making the products, driving out updates, accessories, and so forth? When I buy something, I look at the longevity of the device.

Apple sells a crapton of phones and tablets. I personally couldn't care what they sold, as it would have little bearing on my purchase than to me purchasing a Surface for example.

So as a Microsoft customer, as someone who owns a Surface RT, it's worth noting why some of us might want to know what's going on within the business. We may not be shareholders, but we have invested in the products at least.

I'm not trying to speak for JHBrown, but that's how I feel at least when people crap on me for wanting to know more about a company I buy from.

That's a lot of people who like blowing money on overpriced gadgets they usually replace a year later with the rest of the Lemmings.

Nope, just people who love a simple device with a great ecosystem, excellent tech support and a phenomenal resale value. Your comment can be used for many smart phones out there. Who are you to tell someone that they're blowing their money?

Walrush said,
That's a lot of people who like blowing money on overpriced gadgets they usually replace a year later with the rest of the Lemmings.

Like I have any other options? What other product would you rather me throw money at that rivals the iPhone?

Hate it or love it, Apple knows what it's doing. They have posted the highest ever revenue in a quarter by a tech company in history. They have more money in the bank that some countries are worth, and more than even some companies as a whole are worth. Call it what you want, their numbers just keep growing and growing. Wall Street might have forecasted higher, but Apple grew, and that is not something many companies are doing consistently. And on a side note, while many computer makers are going into quarter to quarter losses, Apples "niche" Mac has grown for 30 of the past 31 quarters.

Nogib said,
Yet still can't even get double digit market share.

In some markets (like the U.S.) it can. Certainly not worldwide though, that's true.

neuroticdave said,
Hate it or love it, Apple knows what it's doing. They have posted the highest ever revenue in a quarter by a tech company in history. They have more money in the bank that some countries are worth, and more than even some companies as a whole are worth. Call it what you want, their numbers just keep growing and growing.

Except profit margin... Not that that's important to the investors, oh wait.

Nogib said,

Yet still can't even get double digit market share.

It is actually rather astonishing that with Apples low market share they are able to blow past other competitors as far as profit margins are concerned. Imagine if they did have double digit shares? That $160 billion dollar stock pile would be gargantuan.

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stevan said,
But Apple is doomed! /s

Meanwhile the sales of iPhones, iPads and Macs all increased....


Aren't their profits flat?

Those numbers continue to prove something that I posited when the first iPad was announced - Apple has become a service and device-driven company, with the Mac becoming a niche product. Look at Apple's balance sheet over the past several years - how much of the E and R (earnings and revenue) is represented by each of the following: services (including iTunes and the App Stores), devices (iPhones, iPads, iPods, and their accessories) and Macs and their accessories. Even the Mac faithful are aware of it - they are not THAT clueless! However, the majority of those same faithful are as fanatical as certain groups of users of any other OS - including Windows. What's even more telling is that Apple is certainly aware of the "Hack" community - and has largely cast a blind eye to it. (Not a deaf ear - look at several of the new features in Mavericks alone; how many of those originated in the "Hack" community?) The fanatics are actually becoming a problem for Apple, just as they are becoming a problem for Microsoft (or even Google) - no company can survive kissing up to the fanatics forever.

PGHammer said,
Mac becoming a niche product.

"one of the best Mac quarters ever."

"[Apple] sold 4.8 million Macs during the quarter, compared to 4.06 million in the year-ago period."

CSheep said,

"one of the best Mac quarters ever."

"[Apple] sold 4.8 million Macs during the quarter, compared to 4.06 million in the year-ago period."

Haha I call that a ZING!

CSheep said,

"one of the best Mac quarters ever."

"[Apple] sold 4.8 million Macs during the quarter, compared to 4.06 million in the year-ago period."

It is because there are more computer users now, you grow the market for all computers then the number will go up a little.

WhatTheSchmidt said,

It is because there are more computer users now, you grow the market for all computers then the number will go up a little.

Almost 20% increase is a little? Don't think the whole computer market increase anywhere near that...

stevan said,

Almost 20% increase is a little? Don't think the whole computer market increase anywhere near that...

There were claims that the reason Win7 did so well, going to over 700 million 3 years ago, because there was more people to buy computers so the number sold was much bigger. In fact, I remember reading on one of the Apple sites (similar to this one, but the Apple one isn't overrun by Microsoft fanboys like this one is with Apple fanboys) in an article saying that Win7 was doing poorly compared to XP because the market was so much bigger; much like how they adjust prices for inflation when making comparisons.

WhatTheSchmidt said,

There were claims that the reason Win7 did so well, going to over 700 million 3 years ago, because there was more people to buy computers so the number sold was much bigger. In fact, I remember reading on one of the Apple sites (similar to this one, but the Apple one isn't overrun by Microsoft fanboys like this one is with Apple fanboys) in an article saying that Win7 was doing poorly compared to XP because the market was so much bigger; much like how they adjust prices for inflation when making comparisons.

Claims? There is a huge increase in the size of the overall market between the time XP came out and Win 7 came out. I thought this was common sense.

But to be honest, 20% increase in Mac sales pales in comparison if for example windows sales increased that much.

If I recall, there were a number of Mac models that were using very old components and not updated for last year's holiday season. No, I do not think it was because of population increases, but just putting out there how Apple fanboys will find any reason to put down something from Microsoft, while making up excuses to help Apple.

And it is easy to increase 20% when you only sell a few million per year. But when selling 100s of million copies per year like Windows does it is hard to grow 20%.

WhatTheSchmidt said,

It is because there are more computer users now, you grow the market for all computers then the number will go up a little.

I think that probably played somewhat of a role, but you are intentionally turning a blind eye to the numbers. If you looked at them, you'd see that there is a bit more than just overall market growth going on.

WhatTheSchmidt said,
when selling 100s of million copies per year like Windows does it is hard to grow 20%.

That may be so. As far as I can tell, Windows PC sales were down by 10% in the same time period.

Scabrat said,
Next to 51 million and 26 million, 4.6 million is niche... Next to all the other pcs being sold, 4.6 million is niche...

But does it make sense to claim that the Mac is *becoming* a niche product (despite a marketshare increase) just because iPhone and iPad sales are growing much faster?

Scabrat said,
Next to 51 million and 26 million, 4.6 million is niche... Next to all the other pcs being sold, 4.6 million is niche...

How are other OEMs doing in terms of sales though? I seem to recall (at least in the US) last year Apple computer sales were higher than any other manufacturer. Don't think that is the case internationally though. Can't find a specific source. Its easy to say Windows blows Mac OS X out of the water in terms of market, but if you look at the actual break down of sales comparing Apple to HP, Samsung, Dell, etc. the differences are not as stark.

CSheep said,

But does it make sense to claim that the Mac is *becoming* a niche product (despite a marketshare increase) just because iPhone and iPad sales are growing much faster?

Mac has, for quiet some time, always been niche...

Scabrat said,
Mac has, for quiet some time, always been niche...

Now *that* I would be more inclined to agree with. Although it's become less of a niche these past few years as its marketshare has increased by a few percentage points.

stevan said,

Almost 20% increase is a little? Don't think the whole computer market increase anywhere near that...


Because percentages can be deceiving?

If I sold 1 dogenux pc last month and sold 10 this month that would be a 1000% increase and now I can go "BAM 1000% INCREASE DOGENUX IS THE MOST POPULAR OS).

And also 4.1 -> 4.6 isn't a 20% increase, it's a 12% increase, which yes is still a healthy increase.

Shadrack said,

How are other OEMs doing in terms of sales though? I seem to recall (at least in the US) last year Apple computer sales were higher than any other manufacturer. Don't think that is the case internationally though. Can't find a specific source. Its easy to say Windows blows Mac OS X out of the water in terms of market, but if you look at the actual break down of sales comparing Apple to HP, Samsung, Dell, etc. the differences are not as stark.

I thought Lenovo was. But it doesnt really matter. It doesnt matter who sold most, Macs run OSX and they are a niche product. The average consumer doesnt buy them. They are usually bought by people who want to do specific things with them. Like photographers, audio techs, etc, etc. They have lower numbers and operate very differently than Windows PCs do. All this points to a niche product. I dont know why people take it as an insult. Apple wants to be niche. Their users want to be niche. I dont get why people are fighting this so much =).

Scabrat said,

I thought Lenovo was. But it doesnt really matter. It doesnt matter who sold most, Macs run OSX and they are a niche product. The average consumer doesnt buy them. They are usually bought by people who want to do specific things with them. Like photographers, audio techs, etc, etc. They have lower numbers and operate very differently than Windows PCs do. All this points to a niche product. I dont know why people take it as an insult. Apple wants to be niche. Their users want to be niche. I dont get why people are fighting this so much =).

I agree with that.

CSheep said,

That may be so. As far as I can tell, Windows PC sales were down by 10% in the same time period.

PCs were down 10%. Windows the OS sold in the first year 120 million.

But does it make sense to claim that the Mac is *becoming* a niche product (despite a marketshare increase) just because iPhone and iPad sales are growing much faster?

Mac just celebrated 30 years of being a niche product. Just because it had a relatively large growth in one quarter, one out of 120 does not make it suddenly not a niche product.

I'm not playing that sort of game; I'm simply looking at sales numbers for all Apple hardware and comparing them to each other. There is no real synergy between Apple device sales and Mac sales - however, there IS synergy between sales of various Apple devices, and especially between iPhones and either iPods and iPads. The real question (that Apple has continually ducked, while Microsoft is not allowed to duck the same question) has to do with that lack of synergy between Macs in particular and their iDevices. I don't hate Apple, and I decidedly hate neither OS X or Macs - if I did, I would not use OS X, or work on Macs (not to mention I'd be a rather large hippo-crite); however, Apple's balance sheet - like that of Microsoft - speaks volumes. (So does that of Google, FYI.)

PGHammer said,
There is no real synergy between Apple device sales and Mac sales

Are you trying to say that fewer people buy Macs than iPads/iPhones? Yes, that's true.

PGHammer said,
The real question [...] has to do with that lack of synergy between Macs in particular and their iDevices.

It's unclear to me what, specifically, you're alluding to, when you speak of a lack of 'synergy' in this context.

-Razorfold said,

Because percentages can be deceiving?

If I sold 1 dogenux pc last month and sold 10 this month that would be a 1000% increase and now I can go "BAM 1000% INCREASE DOGENUX IS THE MOST POPULAR OS).

And also 4.1 -> 4.6 isn't a 20% increase, it's a 12% increase, which yes is still a healthy increase.

I'm wondering why we keep having this "ratio school lesson" post (there are a few now). I would hope that most people understand the basic principles of ratios and proportions. Just because it is a ratio doesn't mean that it doesn't indicate growth no matter how hard some posters here are trying to downplay it.

stevan said,

Almost 20% increase is a little? Don't think the whole computer market increase anywhere near that...

Comparing the whole computer market to one PC seller is a bit over the top. Isn't it?

Dell and Lenovo also both sold more PC's this year vs last year to a tune o just over 65. Much smaller than what Apple had. But since you want to compare computer markets? Let get real.

Windows has over 2B users, while the Mac has 150M users give or take. Windows holds 89% of the total market, while Linux and Mac OS make up the rest. On both sides more people are buying computers. But Windows market has never grown by leaps and bounds each year because for Windows to really grow substantially, someone else would have to drop. Or Windows PC would have to have significant sales.

In both cases, even with the increased sales, the market-shares have remained the same. All it means is each OEM including Apple, simply will make a bit more money.

The PC market as a whole has dropped considerably on both sides due to other option becoming more prominent. After all, the iPad is actually selling way better than the Mac, and Android tablets are certainly giving PC's a run for their money too. But PC makers are hurting less. After all consider this fact...company's like HP, Dell, and Lenovo depend on PC sales for more than 80% of their incomes vs the Mac which is now less than 20% of Apple total income. PC's still carry the weight of these company's while a company like Apple couldn't survive on Mac sales alone.

So what exactly are you cheerleading about?

Mac sales have always been at the bottom compared to everyone else. SO what they sold a few more. They sold 4M during the biggest shopping season, and the those sales drop to less than 50% of that for all the other 3 quarters vs the other PC makers who sell the same 10M PC's every quarter.

Scabrat said,

I thought Lenovo was. But it doesnt really matter. It doesnt matter who sold most, Macs run OSX and they are a niche product. The average consumer doesnt buy them. They are usually bought by people who want to do specific things with them. Like photographers, audio techs, etc, etc. They have lower numbers and operate very differently than Windows PCs do. All this points to a niche product. I dont know why people take it as an insult. Apple wants to be niche. Their users want to be niche. I dont get why people are fighting this so much =).

Dell and Lenovo has a 6% sales increase in 2013 over 2012. The biggets issue is Windows 8 is not as much of a PC selling pint for those who basically may have just gotten Windows7.

PC shipments dropped 6% compared to last year. But it was HP, Acer and Asus who took the biggest hits as Dell and Lenovo actually went up. You know why? Because Dell and Lenovo actually made hardware that was much better for Windows 8. Samsung has never had high PC sales.

Windows 8 tablets actually saw a huge growth spurt because after all Windows 8 is better on tablets - http://www.digitaltrends.com/c...let-demand-will-spike-year/

stevan said,

Almost 20% increase is a little? Don't think the whole computer market increase anywhere near that...

Who taught you math? Why don't you take Apple's old selling numbers and add 20% and see how much MORE it would be over the number above.

The Increase isn't almost 20%...its roughly 12% give or take. Geez.

Also, Apple sold roughly 1.6M Macs for the other 3 quarters with this 4th quarter around Xmas being double. While the 2 top Windows PC makers Dell and Lenovo who saw only 6% increase, sell over 9M computers per quarter. Where the top 3 OEM average 10M computers per quarter, their isn't much room for growth compared to Apple. But in 4 quarters they still sold way more PC's than Apple did by a margin of roughly 50%. Interesting perspective...Aye matey?!

Hi_XPecTa_Chens said,

Dell and Lenovo has a 6% sales increase in 2013 over 2012. The biggets issue is Windows 8 is not as much of a PC selling pint for those who basically may have just gotten Windows7.

PC shipments dropped 6% compared to last year. But it was HP, Acer and Asus who took the biggest hits as Dell and Lenovo actually went up. You know why? Because Dell and Lenovo actually made hardware that was much better for Windows 8. Samsung has never had high PC sales.

Windows 8 tablets actually saw a huge growth spurt because after all Windows 8 is better on tablets - http://www.digitaltrends.com/c...let-demand-will-spike-year/

Thanks for the link. I have been looking for something like this. Do you know how many Dell Venue 8/10 Pros sold over the Q4 of last year? I am interested to see how full Win8 tablets have done =). Cause I got one and love it!

I'm wondering why we keep having this "ratio school lesson" post (there are a few now). I would hope that most people understand the basic principles of ratios and proportions. Just because it is a ratio doesn't mean that it doesn't indicate growth no matter how hard some posters here are trying to downplay it.

I never tried to downplay the growth (except for the incorrect maths), and I said that it was a healthy increase.

For apple to get a 12% growth they had to sell 400-500k Macs. For lenovo, for example, to get a 9% growth they had to sell 1.3 million more computers. If you just look at the percentages alone, that can be quite deceiving. Hence the whole point of my original post

51 million iPhones sold. Why did they not break down the numbers into iPhone 5s vs. iPhone 5c, or iPad Mini vs. iPad Air?

That's right, Apple doesn't need to do that.

WhatTheSchmidt said,
51 million iPhones sold. Why did they not break down the numbers into iPhone 5s vs. iPhone 5c, or iPad Mini vs. iPad Air?

That's right, Apple doesn't need to do that.

I did not see such comments when MS did not reveal any number about WP..... Gotta love the double standard....

Fritzly said,

I did not see such comments when MS did not reveal any number about WP..... Gotta love the double standard....

There is no double standard. The comments were there as well. Its a perceived standard that both company's dont seem to have, nor follow. =)

Microsoft does not sell a phone, so there is nothing for them to break down. They sell a phone OS and Microsoft did give the number of activations. But Microsoft reported the amount of revenue for Surfaces sold, and people attacked them for not breaking down the numbers between Surface RT, Surface 2, and Surface Pro.

Yes, there is a double standard - that Microsoft has something to hide if they do not break down the numbers exactly while Apple and others can just throw out numbers and nobody questions them. How many of those Macs sold were laptops vs. desktops? iMac vs. Mini? Retina laptops vs. non-Retina? iPhone 5s vs. 5c? iPad Air vs. iPad Mini? If we ask for those stats from Microsoft, why shouldn't we also demand the same from Apple?

WhatTheSchmidt said,
Microsoft does not sell a phone, so there is nothing for them to break down. They sell a phone OS and Microsoft did give the number of activations. But Microsoft reported the amount of revenue for Surfaces sold, and people attacked them for not breaking down the numbers between Surface RT, Surface 2, and Surface Pro.

Yes, there is a double standard - that Microsoft has something to hide if they do not break down the numbers exactly while Apple and others can just throw out numbers and nobody questions them. How many of those Macs sold were laptops vs. desktops? iMac vs. Mini? Retina laptops vs. non-Retina? iPhone 5s vs. 5c? iPad Air vs. iPad Mini? If we ask for those stats from Microsoft, why shouldn't we also demand the same from Apple?

Microsoft sells a Phone OS therefore it should report the number of OS sold which they do not. As for the break down by models it is not a parameter I am particularly interested in neither from MS nor from Apple, I am not a production manager but an investor. As such I am interested in what is the selling price of a range of devices in the same line, average price of course. Q4 2013 that value for the iPhone was $477, this first quarter is $636.

Scabrat said,

There is no double standard. The comments were there as well. Its a perceived standard that both company's dont seem to have, nor follow. =)

Of course intelligent people would make such comments; fan boys, regardless of which idol the they worship are a different story....

Windows like to tell us it out sells iphone in 24 countys, and google like to tell it sells more andoird phones compared to iPhones. While yes it would be nice to see a break down, it needs to be a system of low, mid and high range phones. Comparing sales of a low range windows or andorid phone sales to iPhone is LoL

THE_OBSERVER said,
Windows like to tell us it out sells iphone in 24 countys, and google like to tell it sells more andoird phones compared to iPhones. While yes it would be nice to see a break down, it needs to be a system of low, mid and high range phones. Comparing sales of a low range windows or andorid phone sales to iPhone is LoL

Why LOL? Apple only sells one phone. You can't compare apples to oranges.

Fritzly said,

Microsoft sells a Phone OS therefore it should report the number of OS sold which they do not. As for the break down by models it is not a parameter I am particularly interested in neither from MS nor from Apple, I am not a production manager but an investor. As such I am interested in what is the selling price of a range of devices in the same line, average price of course. Q4 2013 that value for the iPhone was $477, this first quarter is $636.

Notice how I asked for breakdown of numbers for Apple products, then they need to switch the topic of conversation to take the pressure off of Apple. No, Microsoft did not give exact numbers, instead saying that activations doubled.

http://www.neowin.net/news/mic...-during-2013-holiday-season

And if you read through that post, the article and comments in there were making comments about it is wrong that Microsoft is not announcing numbers. But when it is asked for in kind from Microsoft's competition, then the distractions start to turn the query away from Apple.

xbbdc said,

Why LOL? Apple only sells one phone. You can't compare apples to oranges.

DId you not read what i wrote or not understand "it needs to be a system of low, mid and high range phones."!!! Thats right You can't compare apples to oranges but you can compare price range, I.E iPhone5s vs HTC One vs Samsung Galaxy 4 vs Windows Phone 8 Nokia 1020, all these phones are around the 1000NZD mark.

WhatTheSchmidt said,

Notice how I asked for breakdown of numbers for Apple products, then they need to switch the topic of conversation to take the pressure off of Apple. No, Microsoft did not give exact numbers, instead saying that activations doubled.

http://www.neowin.net/news/mic...-during-2013-holiday-season

And if you read through that post, the article and comments in there were making comments about it is wrong that Microsoft is not announcing numbers. But when it is asked for in kind from Microsoft's competition, then the distractions start to turn the query away from Apple.

Again, there is nothing wrong asking for numbers regardless of the company name. Belfiore twitting that activation doubled compared to previous year is an insult to intelligence because not knowing, again, the numbers of the previous year it does not say nothing.
2012: Y activations; 2013: Y2 activations...... What a clown.

THE_OBSERVER said,

DId you not read what i wrote or not understand "it needs to be a system of low, mid and high range phones."!!! Thats right You can't compare apples to oranges but you can compare price range, I.E iPhone5s vs HTC One vs Samsung Galaxy 4 vs Windows Phone 8 Nokia 1020, all these phones are around the 1000NZD mark.

When Apple was selling more Phones than everyone else, they didn't care about different models, they were too busy laughing about how Apple was finally a success in something. Once there were more Android phones being sold than iPhones, then the excuses started. There are more manufacturers of Android phones, more form factors, more options, more choice. Of course, Apple could fix that by allowing 3rd parties to build devices with iOS, but we know that will not happen. And until it does, they will keep making up more excuses.

Fritzly said,

Again, there is nothing wrong asking for numbers regardless of the company name. Belfiore twitting that activation doubled compared to previous year is an insult to intelligence because not knowing, again, the numbers of the previous year it does not say nothing.
2012: Y activations; 2013: Y2 activations...... What a clown.

And what does this article have to do with WP activations, etc? I asked for Apple to breakdown the stats, but you would rather distract and complain about Microsoft not releasing their numbers, and then make personal attacks.

WhatTheSchmidt said,

And what does this article have to do with WP activations, etc? I asked for Apple to breakdown the stats, but you would rather distract and complain about Microsoft not releasing their numbers, and then make personal attacks.

Yes you asked for Apple breakdown but when reports, with no numbers at all, come from your blindly worshipped company you are MIA.
Now if you like to call the exposure of your double standard a personal attack..... it would not surprise me at all.

Fritzly said,

Yes you asked for Apple breakdown but when reports, with no numbers at all, come from your blindly worshipped company you are MIA.
Now if you like to call the exposure of your double standard a personal attack..... it would not surprise me at all.

so you start calling people clowns, change the subject away from both the original article and my comment, refuse to provide any information about my comment, and keep whining about Microsoft while ignoring Apple, but I am the blind one.

WhatTheSchmidt said,

so you start calling people clowns, change the subject away from both the original article and my comment, refuse to provide any information about my comment, and keep whining about Microsoft while ignoring Apple, but I am the blind one.

No I do not change subjects and I have replied thoroughly and extensively to your "comments". If you have difficulties to comprehend replies based on rational thinking and not on whining I can only suggest you some readings that could surely be helpful:
"On nature" by Parmenides
"Discourse on the Method" by Rene' Descartes
"Ethics" by Baruch Spinoza
Enjoy your reading...

WhatTheSchmidt said,
51 million iPhones sold. Why did they not break down the numbers into iPhone 5s vs. iPhone 5c, or iPad Mini vs. iPad Air?

That's right, Apple doesn't need to do that.

If other companies don't do it, then why should we demand Apple to?

Nokia recently announced that they sold 8.2 Lumias last quarter. No break down of numbers into 1520 vs. 1020, or 920 vs. 925.

When Microsoft announces how many XBox 360s they sold in a quarter, they never break down Elite vs. Arcade (when they were available) or 4GB with Kinect models vs. 250GB models without the Kinect. They just say, "x amount of 360s sold last quarter or to date."

When Chevy announces how many Camaros they've sold, they don't break it down by 2013 vs. 2012 or this trim compared to that trim. It's just, "x amount of Camaros last quarter or to date."

There maybe some exceptions to the rule, but you rarely see a company break down the variances in a product line.

Also, the only people who are demanding breakdowns are fanboys who want to cherry pick a number, so they can continue to think that the company they hate is failing, when the over all picture proves the opposite. Constantly bringing up what the fanboys say only gives them the attention they desire.

Finally, you need to work on some new material. Constantly demanding that Apple break down what it sold, while complaining that Microsoft is getting picked on and that there is something to hide is getting stale.

http://www.neowin.net/news/app...-in-q4-2012#comment-2076209

http://www.neowin.net/news/app...-in-q1-2013#comment-2177321

WhatTheSchmidt said,
51 million iPhones sold. Why did they not break down the numbers into iPhone 5s vs. iPhone 5c, or iPad Mini vs. iPad Air?

That's right, Apple doesn't need to do that.

At least Apple gives us an actual number.

Samsung stopped reporting quarterly unit sales a few years ago.

Samsung now gives unimportant milestones such as "100 million Galaxy S phones sold since 2010"

That's cool... I guess... but it doesn't really say much.

Anyone can give a big impressive-sounding number if they add up YEARS of cumulative sales.

You guys may as well save your breath (or spare your fingers). Every day, it's always "blah blah, Microsoft is awesome blah blah, anything else sucks..." There is no reasoning, facts are irrelevant, and his examples are always anecdotal at best, citing one or two stupid people to make up the "majority", as if a Microsoft centric website is completely against the company.

We're all out to get big bad Microsoft apparently.

benthebear said,

If other companies don't do it, then why should we demand Apple to?

Nokia recently announced that they sold 8.2 Lumias last quarter. No break down of numbers into 1520 vs. 1020, or 920 vs. 925.

When Microsoft announces how many XBox 360s they sold in a quarter, they never break down Elite vs. Arcade (when they were available) or 4GB with Kinect models vs. 250GB models without the Kinect. They just say, "x amount of 360s sold last quarter or to date."

When Chevy announces how many Camaros they've sold, they don't break it down by 2013 vs. 2012 or this trim compared to that trim. It's just, "x amount of Camaros last quarter or to date."

There maybe some exceptions to the rule, but you rarely see a company break down the variances in a product line.

Also, the only people who are demanding breakdowns are fanboys who want to cherry pick a number, so they can continue to think that the company they hate is failing, when the over all picture proves the opposite. Constantly bringing up what the fanboys say only gives them the attention they desire.

Finally, you need to work on some new material. Constantly demanding that Apple break down what it sold, while complaining that Microsoft is getting picked on and that there is something to hide is getting stale.

http://www.neowin.net/news/app...-in-q4-2012#comment-2076209

http://www.neowin.net/news/app...-in-q1-2013#comment-2177321

was wondering when my stalker would show up.

I asked a question, and nobody can answer that question. But you need to go off topic and want to know details about Lumia, Kinect, and Chevy. If you can't stay on topic, then why bother asking?

dead.cell said,
You guys may as well save your breath (or spare your fingers). Every day, it's always "blah blah, Microsoft is awesome blah blah, anything else sucks..." There is no reasoning, facts are irrelevant, and his examples are always anecdotal at best, citing one or two stupid people to make up the "majority", as if a Microsoft centric website is completely against the company.

We're all out to get big bad Microsoft apparently.

After thinking about it, you are right. I should just submit and become one of the mindless Apple drones that now infest this site. Microsoft sucks, nobody likes Win8, it is the year of the Mac, iPhone is better than everything else, and Apple is great so I will repeat their press releases as they are gospel, because they are. I am now an Apple fanboy, I have seen the light and have now converted. You shall never hear a positive word about Microsoft from me again. This has become an Apple site, and if I want to post here, I need to conform.

WhatTheSchmidt said,
After thinking about it, you are right. I should just submit and become one of the mindless Apple drones that now infest this site..

LOL the what... 2 people? Good one haha. What a joke.

WhatTheSchmidt said,
51 million iPhones sold. Why did they not break down the numbers into iPhone 5s vs. iPhone 5c, or iPad Mini vs. iPad Air?

That's right, Apple doesn't need to do that.

But everyone else does? Hmmmm. Why should the rule apply to Apple.

Here is a better comparison, Year over year Apple went from 48M to 51M vs Samsung who with the GS3 sold 50M in a year and the GS4 has sold over 70M. Look who had the bigger growth with a single model.

To be fair, most OEM's don't give sales results for independent models. But at least Samsung does let us know how well the Galaxy S and Galaxy Note sells vs their other Galaxy and non-Galaxy devices.

Hi_XPecTa_Chens said,
But everyone else does? Hmmmm. Why should the rule apply to Apple.

Here is a better comparison, Year over year Apple went from 48M to 51M vs Samsung who with the GS3 sold 50M in a year and the GS4 has sold over 70M. Look who had the bigger growth with a single model.

To be fair, most OEM's don't give sales results for independent models. But at least Samsung does let us know how well the Galaxy S and Galaxy Note sells vs their other Galaxy and non-Galaxy devices.

I wrote that before my conversion. I have had a change of ways, and now fully support Apple. The old me was foolish, now I see that Apple did all they needed to. Microsoft has not released their numbers, and I want them now. And none of this 1 million, 1/2 million, etc. rounded off numbers. I want Microsoft to tell me exact numbers. Example: 183 total Surface 2 sold (that number is close, if not to generous if you ask me), 53 Surface Pro 2 sold. 1752 Apps on the Win8 store (that number may seem low, but it is how many I believe are on the store where Microsoft did not illegally bribe companies to write apps).

I tell you what, becoming an Apple supporter is so freeing, I feel so much better attacking Microsoft like all the other people on this site are. Being one of the gang just makes me happier.

WhatTheSchmidt said,
I feel so much better attacking Microsoft like all the other people on this site are. Being one of the gang just makes me happier.

I guess I better correct my statement, as there are now THREE people that fully back Apple. That's like... 85% of the site right there no doubt.

WhatTheSchmidt said,

I wrote that before my conversion. I have had a change of ways, and now fully support Apple. The old me was foolish, now I see that Apple did all they needed to. Microsoft has not released their numbers, and I want them now. And none of this 1 million, 1/2 million, etc. rounded off numbers. I want Microsoft to tell me exact numbers. Example: 183 total Surface 2 sold (that number is close, if not to generous if you ask me), 53 Surface Pro 2 sold. 1752 Apps on the Win8 store (that number may seem low, but it is how many I believe are on the store where Microsoft did not illegally bribe companies to write apps).

I tell you what, becoming an Apple supporter is so freeing, I feel so much better attacking Microsoft like all the other people on this site are. Being one of the gang just makes me happier.

That was sarcasm...right? Haha!

I don't support or hate at particular company. I am a tech nut. But they all give dcceiving numbers For example, I will give you the most recent lie. Apple stated on the forst selling weekend of the iPhone 5S and 5C that they sold 9M phones. They phrased it as if both phones sold on the same weekend. They did not. The iPhone 5C was release 2 weekends before the iPhone 5S. And in almost 15 days of one phone selling the 5C, they sold 2M of them vs the 5S which sold 5M in 3 days. See the difference?

Oh and let me point to another point. Many fanatics criticize Samsung sales numbers because they don't want to count shipped numbers as actually sales. Yet Apple sold 5M iPhone 5S' over a weekend in which I purchase 15 for our company, yet I didn't receive them for nearly 3 weeks. So Apple counted 5M "sales" and those hadn't even shipped yet. Again, just pointing out how the double standard of fans is repulsive.

Apple is a cult by the way. Didn't you see the movie Pirates of Silicon Valley? HAHA!

It pays to not be a fan. Just be a tech nut. Its safer because you can look at all brands with open mind and you can see the good and bad of them all.

To be honest ill be sounding like an apple hater but its only to be anticipated that they will get lower and lowe rgrowth. Think its the same with every tech manufacturer at the top of its game, it starts off massivley high the as the years go on competitors bring in competing products and slowly reduce the growth year on year. I think the only way apple are making such high profits is because of there high profit margins on everything thats is sold. But hey iof they can do they good on them thats what a bussiness triedss to achieve.

Personally i hate apple and will never buy a product from them again cus i firmly believe like i said in another post they let other manufcturers test other form factors, screens, ram amounts etc then try to block the main competitor (samsung) while they bring there own products to fruition even when definitively stating 4+ screens are bad. Then prolly showcases them as the best... to me sound like there to try hard. I like WP i like the tiles and tbh dont really care about apps and that i genenrally use it for calls text, e-mail and inetrnet even wen used iphone played with it for 2 weeks then lay dormant so yah

Romero said,
Wow, that's double what Microsoft made.

yep, and that's why my friend, Microsoft is getting into the hardware business. lots of profits to be made.

Romero said,
Wow, that's double what Microsoft made.

When your customer base actually enjoys being raped, of course it is easy to make that kind of money!

Nogib said,

When your customer base actually enjoys being raped, of course it is easy to make that kind of money!


If the intercourse is consensual is not raping....

Nogib said,

When your customer base actually enjoys being raped, of course it is easy to make that kind of money!

I really don't understand comments like this. I would feel raped if I bought a Surface 2. It goes both ways. We all value different things in life. Get over it!

Nogib said,

When your customer base actually enjoys being raped, of course it is easy to make that kind of money!

Buying into Windows Phone with version 7 then getting abandoned a year later, that is what it is to get raped

JHBrown said,
I really don't understand comments like this. I would feel raped if I bought a Surface 2. It goes both ways. We all value different things in life. Get over it!
A Surface 2 as oppose to what other tablet? Because compared to the iPad which does less than a Surface 2, I would say an iPad is certainly raping. And I wont even compare the iPad to a Surface Pro because they aren't in the same class. But even an iPad compared to a Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 which starts at $550 which is only $51 more than an iPad, you still get far more.

To say its rape when a person makes a "consensual" purchase, is a bit over the top.

But if you claim a better device would be raping? Then you really lost all credibility.
Saying a Surface that even without the full desktop, still allows you to use more than one app at once, has standard USB for attaching your mouse, keyboard, is lighter and Magnesium is certainly a more high quality durable metal vs Aluminum. You get a bigger screen with an industry standard resolution, and you can still run true productivity apps like Office. COmpared to the iPAd which still runs one app at a time onscreen, where iWorks use so lame that more people with Macs use Office vs iWorks, where the only upgrade the iPad has gotten since 2010 was a high resolution screen. I would say if anyone is getting raped, it certainly wouldn't be a Surface owner or a Note owner.

acido00 said,
51 million * $699 = ???

You are forgetting that 5c out of that $699 goes to pay the Chinese sl, er, workers who assemble it.