Apple announces new iMac

 

Today at it's special event Apple has announced a brand new super-thin version of its iMac desktop computer. The brand new all-in-one has edges that are just 5mm thick and switches to Intel's Ivy Bridge Core i5 and Core i7 processors. Screen sizes are the same, a 21.5-inch model and a 27.-inch model.

Both new iMacs come with NVIDIA GeForce 600 graphics, up to 32GB of RAM, a 720p front camera with dual mics, and various storage options that include a 3TB HDD, 768GB SSD or Apple's new Fusion drive that mixes 1TB or 3TB of normal storage and 128GB of flash. The new iMac also gets rid of the optical drive, much like the latest Macbooks.

The 21.5-inch model will ship in November, and will cost $1,299 for the 2.7GHz Core i5, 1TB hard drive and 8GB of RAM. In December, the 27-inch model will ship for $1,799 with a 2.8GHz Core i5 and the same storage and memory.

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Apple, why can't you put some of the ports on the sides or front. I'm thinking especially of USB ports. It's a pain to feel around the back of the machine to plug in a USB memory key only to find that it won't plug in because I have the key upside down.

Slacker said,
Apple, why can't you put some of the ports on the sides or front. I'm thinking especially of USB ports. It's a pain to feel around the back of the machine to plug in a USB memory key only to find that it won't plug in because I have the key upside down.

USB flash drive*

Sorry, I have this pet peeve about people calling them pen drives, memory keys, keychain hard drive, etc.

But I completely agree. I hate having to turn my iMac to find the port on the back. I ended up just buying a USB extension cable and setting the female end on my desk... that's where I plug in my flash drives now. :-/

MidTxWRX said,

USB flash drive*

Sorry, I have this pet peeve about people calling them pen drives, memory keys, keychain hard drive, etc.

^^ THIS!!!!

DAT THIN

You gotta admit, their construction/assembly is often some pretty impressive sci-fi ****, whether you like/dislike the product itself.

I decided to have a quick look at the iMac prices as I thought I was getting a bit bored of the PC situation - and as I don't have much love for Windows 8 thought maybe it would be time to look at a Mac again.

Even with discount (which I get where I work), the entry level 27" iMac is £1,500!! Then I thought about the behemoth of a PC I could build for the same money (formfactor is not important to me) and immediately dismissed the idea.

Honestly I do love how Apple hardware looks but just can't get past the lower specs and the insane prices. I guess I'm not their target customer!

Chicane-UK said,
I decided to have a quick look at the iMac prices as I thought I was getting a bit bored of the PC situation - and as I don't have much love for Windows 8 thought maybe it would be time to look at a Mac again.

Even with discount (which I get where I work), the entry level 27" iMac is £1,500!! Then I thought about the behemoth of a PC I could build for the same money (formfactor is not important to me) and immediately dismissed the idea.

Honestly I do love how Apple hardware looks but just can't get past the lower specs and the insane prices. I guess I'm not their target customer!


The prices aren't that bad once you factor in the display.. Most of that budget goes out the window getting a quality IPS 27" display..

Damn, 21 incher costs $1700+ in India for the base model. The previous generation was $1250.

I really wanted to upgrade to a new iMac. Guess I'll have to wait for a while.

I didn't think they would release it with any Retina Display. The cost would be prohibitive and I am sure there aren't many manufacturers that can produce such a screen as this moment in realistic numbers or resolution.

Clamdigger63 said,

You mean Yes but with difficulty.


Well, true the 21.5" iMac seems not to have the door to access the RAM, point to you, I take it you're not talking about the 27" iMac, right? Because that has a door and I'd fail to see why it should be hard to accomplish on that model.

Indeed a letdown on the 21.5" model though. Indeed.

GS:mac

th3r3turn said,
What about upgrading? can you add more memory later?

No, you dispose of the computer and buy another one with the specs you want.

Those Fusion Drivers seem brilliant. You don't have to worry about moving things yourself from the startup drive to a conventional storage drive and you have many of the speed advantages of SSDs without giving up storage space.

I've read about them a while ago, but then forgot all about it. Nice Apple finally decided to include them with their iMacs and Mac minis.

.Neo said,
Those Fusion Drivers seem brilliant. You don't have to worry about moving things yourself from the startup drive to a conventional storage drive and you have many of the speed advantages of SSDs without giving up storage space.

I've read about them a while ago, but then forgot all about it. Nice Apple finally decided to include them with their iMacs and Mac minis.


You mean like abstracted folders that have existed in Windows since Win2k? I have all my storage folders on a separate drive. Desktop, Downloads, Music, Videos etc. I don't have to think about them.

floopydoodle said,

You mean like abstracted folders that have existed in Windows since Win2k? I have all my storage folders on a separate drive. Desktop, Downloads, Music, Videos etc. I don't have to think about them.
That's... not the same thing. The same thing could probably be done on every other OS using symbolic links.

floopydoodle said,
You mean like abstracted folders that have existed in Windows since Win2k? I have all my storage folders on a separate drive. Desktop, Downloads, Music, Videos etc. I don't have to think about them.

If you don't understand what I'm talking about just ask instead of randomly replying. What you're talking about is by no means the same thing.

I feel that one question has been ignored by everyone in the press.

What about heat dispersal!

Now I don't own a mac, but imagine that like any computer, the component inside of the iMac get really hot really fast is placed under stress . Even the best designed laptops (e.g. ASUS and Alienware) have problems with heat dispersal. Now I may be wrong about this but how can you fit a decent heat dispersal system into something that thin!

I mean my Laptops (Dell studio XPS 16 and the Dell XPS 16) struggle to cope with the heat generated from playing about 1 hour of crysis on medium settings and I assume video editing and rendering puts a large strain on the system as well.

So could someone kindly explain how well the iMac handles heat?

Finally, I though the whole point of having a desktop was the preformance boost? so why does it have a mobile card?
Thanks in advance

Unrealmaster287 said,
I feel that one question has been ignored by everyone in the press.

What about heat dispersal!

Now I don't own a mac, but imagine that like any computer, the component inside of the iMac get really hot really fast is placed under stress . Even the best designed laptops (e.g. ASUS and Alienware) have problems with heat dispersal. Now I may be wrong about this but how can you fit a decent heat dispersal system into something that thin!

I mean my Laptops (Dell studio XPS 16 and the Dell XPS 16) struggle to cope with the heat generated from playing about 1 hour of crysis on medium settings and I assume video editing and rendering puts a large strain on the system as well.

So could someone kindly explain how well the iMac handles heat?

Finally, I though the whole point of having a desktop was the preformance boost? so why does it have a mobile card?
Thanks in advance

From what I can remember, Apple mainly uses notebook parts in iMacs. Even the ram is notebook formfactor. I guess it's because Apple wants to save space/make things smaller but IMO this is way too thin. This isn't a laptop, so why would you want something this thin sitting on your desktop all the time?
This thinness would be awesome if you were able to wall-mount it but it doesn't seem like you're able to.

About the heat dissipation - I'm not exactly sure about how it gets handled but I know previous models just had fans coming from the sides, but it seems like they're hiding underneath the stand now? The aluminium back might also act as a heat diffuser.

The thing I'm happiest about is the inclusion of a second Thunderbolt port on the 21" iMacs. I've been considering switching to a Mac for a while now, but was hesitant because I needed three displays (two 22" monitors and a graphics tablet with a built in display).

In the outgoing generation, the 21" iMac only had a single Thunderbolt port, meaning only one external monitor could be connected (without spending $1000+ on a Thunderbolt display). For several hundred dollars more, the 27" model had a second port, allowing for two external displays, but since it has such a high resolution, the need for the second monitor became redundant. That meant that if I were to get an iMac, I'd have to choose between spending on something I probably wouldn't use, or saving my money and loosing screen real-estate that I need.

Probably not a common situation, but I am very pleased with this decision to include the second Thunderbolt port on the smaller models - makes my decisions much easier

It would look way better without the unnecessary silver bottom on the display but I guess they need someplace to put the apple.

ahhell said,
It would look way better without the unnecessary silver bottom on the display but I guess they need someplace to put the apple.
If it's anything like my old first-gen Intel iMac model, that's where the speakers go..

Ryoken said,
If it's anything like my old first-gen Intel iMac model, that's where the speakers go..

That is correct.

Also, the Apple logo is the IR receiver for the remote.

GS:mac

Richard Cousins said,
The reason the studio I work for wont buy these is a) no optical drive and b) cant upgrad any of the parts

Just wondering, what exactly do you need an optical drive for the low cost price of portable storage and cloud storage etc? Not being funny at all, just wondering from a studio perpective.

Richard Cousins said,
The reason the studio I work for wont buy these is a) no optical drive and b) cant upgrad any of the parts

People still use optical discs?
I work in IT within a corporation and we dont use discs unless we're installing an operating system on a computer.

Richard Cousins said,
The reason the studio I work for wont buy these is a) no optical drive and b) cant upgrad any of the parts

Go buy a dirt cheap optical drive and plug it in. Or get Apple's Super Drive, if you want to leave it out all the time, since it'll match the iMac. Simple as that.

xstex said,

Just wondering, what exactly do you need an optical drive for the low cost price of portable storage and cloud storage etc? Not being funny at all, just wondering from a studio perpective.

Indeed..

Everything is all ISO's where I've been.. keep it on a main server in the office or something and there you go.. I have a MBA here, and haven't once missed an optical drive.. infact I'd have to go back years for the last time I used one..

.Neo said,
I'll be the one to say this: The vast majority of users don't upgrade their computers. Ever.

Indeed, this isn't aimed at those people.

.Neo said,
I'll be the one to say this: The vast majority of users don't upgrade their computers. Ever.
It's true.. Only a very small percent upgrades, or ever opens their computer for service or anything..

If you aren't gonna mess with it, why do you want a big tower and such..

.Neo said,
I'll be the one to say this: The vast majority of users don't upgrade their computers. Ever.

I think you'll find you are somewhat mistaken.

Raa said,

I think you'll find you are somewhat mistaken.
No, he isn't.. Once you get away from the techy crowd, you'll find the vast majority have no idea how to make changes, and never would even think about it.. it's like a toaster or tv.. when it finally breaks they dump it, and don't think about trying to add stuff to it..

Ryoken said,
No, he isn't.. Once you get away from the techy crowd, you'll find the vast majority have no idea how to make changes, and never would even think about it.. it's like a toaster or tv.. when it finally breaks they dump it, and don't think about trying to add stuff to it..

This. I've seen it all of the time for the past 15 years. I think it's safe to say that people use their computers until the wheels fall off, and then they buy a new one.

It's a nice looking machine. But I just can not see myself spending 1800 for a mid level configuration and a 27 inch monitor. It should at least be a high end i7 with 16gb of ram, and even then that configuration is overpriced at 1800.

and now the whole world is going to think Apple invented the so-called "Fusion Drive". And OEMs are going to copy as if Apple invented it too.

However, I do like the new iMac. I've always liked the iMac and this is just an awesome improvement.

FalseAgent said,
and now the whole world is going to think Apple invented the so-called "Fusion Drive". And OEMs are going to copy as if Apple invented it too.

However, I do like the new iMac. I've always liked the iMac and this is just an awesome improvement.

As long it becomes widespread I'm up for it, cause it's been a good idea from quite some time to use a flash drive for OS and most common apps and a hard drive for storage, even the hardcore PC fan end up using externals HDD, so until SSD drop their price sounds good to me. And no one else is using it in big scale.

FalseAgent said,
and now the whole world is going to think Apple invented the so-called "Fusion Drive". And OEMs are going to copy as if Apple invented it too.

However, I do like the new iMac. I've always liked the iMac and this is just an awesome improvement.

It's a shame people confuse people saying Apple invented it with Apple saying they invented it. Apple never does.

You never know. They may patent it and sue Intel for having SSD cache on their motherboard.

FalseAgent said,
and now the whole world is going to think Apple invented the so-called "Fusion Drive". And OEMs are going to copy as if Apple invented it too.

However, I do like the new iMac. I've always liked the iMac and this is just an awesome improvement.

MDboyz said,
You never know. They may patent it and sue Intel for having SSD cache on their motherboard.

I get your humour but that isn't how it works.

yowanvista said,
Clearly overpriced for those midrange components

Can you show us another all-in-one that is clearly better specced for the same money? And please do take into account the screen. I'm not interested in a model with cheap 27-inch non-ISP panel that spots a 1920 x 1080 resolution.

.Neo said,

Can you show us another all-in-one that is clearly better specced for the same money? And please do take into account the screen. I'm not interested in a model with cheap 27-inch non-ISP panel that spots a 1920 x 1080 resolution.

Who cares about all-in-one PCs? They aren't even popular anyways. However with that same price one can obtain a modern PC which is way more powerful than the iMac. Faster graphics for gaming, better processor and a better OS.

yowanvista said,

Who cares about all-in-one PCs? They aren't even popular anyways. However with that same price one can obtain a modern PC which is way more powerful than the iMac. Faster graphics for gaming, better processor and a better OS.

And a better screen? all pre-built and ready to use?

Also drop the "better OS", All the OS's are fantastic, for most people it's purely down to personal preference.

yowanvista said,
Who cares about all-in-one PCs? They aren't even popular anyways.

Many people actually. I don't care much for having a tower in my living room and know quite a few people who don't either. iMacs have dominated Amazon's most popular desktop computer list for ages now, so enjoy making stuff up?


Slower processor, slower HDD, GPU pretty much on par. Can't find any info on the screen being ISP or not and according to Samsung's own website the same model only has a 1920 x 1080 resolution (price and all other specs match).

.Neo said,

Can you show us another all-in-one that is clearly better specced for the same money? And please do take into account the screen. I'm not interested in a model with cheap 27-inch non-ISP panel that spots a 1920 x 1080 resolution.

AIO machines are tinkertoys anyway. I prefer a computer I can upgrade and tinker with myself.

yowanvista said,

Who cares about all-in-one PCs? They aren't even popular anyways. However with that same price one can obtain a modern PC which is way more powerful than the iMac. Faster graphics for gaming, better processor and a better OS.
Who cares about All in Ones ? Well a lot of the people buying them, Mac and PC.. so just because you aren't interested in them doesn't mean there isn't a decent market for selling them.

Javik said,

AIO machines are tinkertoys anyway. I prefer a computer I can upgrade and tinker with myself.

Crazy how I make my living using a "tinkertoys"

.Neo said,

Can you show us another all-in-one that is clearly better specced for the same money? And please do take into account the screen. I'm not interested in a model with cheap 27-inch non-ISP panel that spots a 1920 x 1080 resolution.

YES!!!!!
The Dell One 27. Beats the Mac by a mile.

Javik said,
AIO machines are tinkertoys anyway. I prefer a computer I can upgrade and tinker with myself.

Whatever makes you feel more interesting.

Jarrichvdv said,
Looks like quasimodo. Thin on the edges, thick in the middle. Previous model was much more beautiful.

The older model had the same bulge, just less noticeable because it was thicker

richardsim7 said,

The older model had the same bulge, just less noticeable because it was thicker

True! But it was subtle back then, which I loved.
This thin design just doesn't match such a huge screen IMO.

"up to 32GB of RAM"
So it's nice to have that much RAM and all but... Why? It's not a high-end system so you wouldn't use it for GPU/CPU processing like render farms. I don't know of any games that'd need even 8GB of RAM, and working with photoshop wouldn't need that much either so I'm at a loss to if anything on mac would actually need/use it?

Also problem with price "and will cost $1,2999" if it costs 12 grand I can see why no-one would buy it

n_K said,
"up to 32GB of RAM"
So it's nice to have that much RAM and all but... Why? It's not a high-end system so you wouldn't use it for GPU/CPU processing like render farms. I don't know of any games that'd need even 8GB of RAM, and working with photoshop wouldn't need that much either so I'm at a loss to if anything on mac would actually need/use it?

Also problem with price "and will cost $1,2999" if it costs 12 grand I can see why no-one would buy it

I'm pretty sure there are many good reason to use that much RAM. I mean, I do too many things on my laptop, heck I used it as a server.

I actually plan on getting this iMac 27".

Mr.XXIV said,

I'm pretty sure there are many good reason to use that much RAM. I mean, I do too many things on my laptop, heck I used it as a server.

I actually plan on getting this iMac 27".


I feel sorry for the bank account that is used to buy that new iMac

n_K said,
"up to 32GB of RAM"
So it's nice to have that much RAM and all but... Why? It's not a high-end system so you wouldn't use it for GPU/CPU processing like render farms. I don't know of any games that'd need even 8GB of RAM, and working with photoshop wouldn't need that much either so I'm at a loss to if anything on mac would actually need/use it?

Also problem with price "and will cost $1,2999" if it costs 12 grand I can see why no-one would buy it

They are trying to get the mac pro users to switch to the iMac because they can make more money that way if they can't update the machine and need to replace it every year or so.

Plus it's not 5mm thin, just at the edge of the sides so it's misleading just the what they did with the Macbook Air!

n_K said,
"up to 32GB of RAM"
So it's nice to have that much RAM and all but... Why? It's not a high-end system so you wouldn't use it for GPU/CPU processing like render farms. I don't know of any games that'd need even 8GB of RAM, and working with photoshop wouldn't need that much either so I'm at a loss to if anything on mac would actually need/use it?

Also problem with price "and will cost $1,2999" if it costs 12 grand I can see why no-one would buy it

Sigh... (takes a shot of Scotch) Sigh... 32GBs of Ram in an iMac... (takes another shot of Scotch)

Mr.XXIV said,

I'm pretty sure there are many good reason to use that much RAM. I mean, I do too many things on my laptop, heck I used it as a server.

I actually plan on getting this iMac 27".

I'd love to hear those reasons for getting 32GBs in an iMac.

Ryoken said,
Doing a lot of work with photoshop will easily eat into that RAM.. As would running virtual machines..

That'd have to be a VERY LARGE photoshop document!
VMs would yes but surely you'd get a mac pro for that? If you're wanting to use linux or windows applications you'd only really need 1 VM on at a time, so 8GB would be more than enough for just that for the average home user.


Kalint said,
I'd love to hear those reasons for getting 32GBs in an iMac.

I just gave one. I'm a developer, designer, producer, and I run the fastest server on Host Gator.

Ryoken said,
Doing a lot of work with photoshop will easily eat into that RAM.. As would running virtual machines..

Exactly, I practically run everything on my laptop and it's hell for me. I have over 75,000 songs to organize and I use 3 monitors to watch tv there, design here, and do a lot of benchmarking on my websites. Let's not forget that I also want to work on iOS apps since I have the iPhone too.

n_K said,

That'd have to be a VERY LARGE photoshop document!
VMs would yes but surely you'd get a mac pro for that? If you're wanting to use linux or windows applications you'd only really need 1 VM on at a time, so 8GB would be more than enough for just that for the average home user.

Are you being realistic on neowin? HUH?!

Mr.XXIV said,


I just gave one. I'm a developer, designer, producer, and I run the fastest server on Host Gator.

Exactly, I practically run everything on my laptop and it's hell for me. I have over 75,000 songs to organize and I use 3 monitors to watch tv there, design here, and do a lot of benchmarking on my websites. Let's not forget that I also want to work on iOS apps since I have the iPhone too.

No, you're right. You're the perfect Apple customer. Enjoy.

n_K said,

That'd have to be a VERY LARGE photoshop document!
VMs would yes but surely you'd get a mac pro for that? If you're wanting to use linux or windows applications you'd only really need 1 VM on at a time, so 8GB would be more than enough for just that for the average home user.

Ever owned a real Pro camera and used RAW files? Guess not hey?

And WHO are you to tell us how we are supposed to use VM?

Mr.XXIV said,

I just gave one. I'm a developer, designer, producer, and I run the fastest server on Host Gator.

Exactly, I practically run everything on my laptop and it's hell for me. I have over 75,000 songs to organize and I use 3 monitors to watch tv there, design here, and do a lot of benchmarking on my websites. Let's not forget that I also want to work on iOS apps since I have the iPhone too.


Please tell me you have two cinema displays hooked to your iMac. It's just going to make my day.

Enjoy clicking that radio button to rock up to 32gb of ram with the +$1000 next to it. Apple has special ram so you'll be able to develop websites, organize your music, watch your TV, and develop iOS apps at the speed of light.

TruckWEB said,
Ever owned a real Pro camera and used RAW files? Guess not hey?

And WHO are you to tell us how we are supposed to use VM?


I'm curious, does your camera produce 5gb raw image files? I'd love to get the model number of your camera. Photoshop files that are big are usually rasterized images of large posters/banners. But hey, you've used RAW file formats from your professional cameras!

Also, A VM with more than a couple of GB of Ram on a desktop. Sure, kid yourself that you need it. The rest of us will just /facepalm.

MrHumpty said,

Please tell me you have two cinema displays hooked to your iMac. It's just going to make my day.

Enjoy clicking that radio button to rock up to 32gb of ram with the +$1000 next to it. Apple has special ram so you'll be able to develop websites, organize your music, watch your TV, and develop iOS apps at the speed of light.

When I get the iMac I plan on investing two Thunderbolt Displays when newer ones come out.

I have a Nikon D700 and they are pixel perfect!

Mr.XXIV said,

When I get the iMac I plan on investing two Thunderbolt Displays when newer ones come out.

I have a Nikon D700 and they are pixel perfect!

Lol Tim Cook must just be tearing up with joy hearing someone is actually willing to **** away so much money.

Kalint said,

Lol Tim Cook must just be tearing up with joy hearing someone is actually willing to **** away so much money.

What do you do for a living? Cause I can't even find a monitor good enough to compete with the thunderbolt monitor nor the iMac itself as an All-in-One.

n_K said,
"up to 32GB of RAM"
So it's nice to have that much RAM and all but... Why? It's not a high-end system so you wouldn't use it for GPU/CPU processing like render farms. I don't know of any games that'd need even 8GB of RAM, and working with photoshop wouldn't need that much either so I'm at a loss to if anything on mac would actually need/use it?

Also problem with price "and will cost $1,2999" if it costs 12 grand I can see why no-one would buy it

Uhm, well I have an iMac with 32GB of RAM and I certainly make good use of it.
You'd be surprised how easy it is to use it with the right hobbies and passions or ways of multitasking badass applications.
Also, I don't even notice when I have a couple of VMs running in the background apart from HDD access times maybe.
With Parallels I can even use those VMs just like virtual desktops thanks to Mission Control.

Really, plenty of use cases.

ACTIONpack said,

They are trying to get the mac pro users to switch to the iMac because they can make more money that way if they can't update the machine and need to replace it every year or so.

Plus it's not 5mm thin, just at the edge of the sides so it's misleading just the what they did with the Macbook Air!

Yeah, except they explicitely said the EDGES are 5mm thin.
I think by them showing the back in full, the side in full and having them in the stores it's hard to "fall for a 5mm lie".

The 32GB got introduced, because as of now, Apple also uses 8GB RAM modules that became rather affordable this year.
One year ago you couldn't get them for less than 200€ around here, now they are like 50€ and that was Apple's reason to start using them, too.

By the way, a couple of Macs already can take the 8GB modules, it's just not advertised.

GS:mac

Mr.XXIV said,

What do you do for a living? Cause I can't even find a monitor good enough to compete with the thunderbolt monitor nor the iMac itself as an All-in-One.

Yeah you're right, it's hard to find good computers & monitors outside of apple.com!

Kalint said,

Yeah you're right, it's hard to find good computers & monitors outside of apple.com!

The best I can get out of a good monitor is 1920x1080 and Thunderbolt and the iMac's screen makes pixels so meaningless to try and see.

Mr.XXIV said,

The best I can get out of a good monitor is 1920x1080 and Thunderbolt and the iMac's screen makes pixels so meaningless to try and see.

Hah. Jesus Christ.

Kalint said,

Lol Tim Cook must just be tearing up with joy hearing someone is actually willing to **** away so much money.

Why do you care so much about what other people spend their money on?

omgben said,

Why do you care so much about what other people spend their money on?


He's "better" and "smarter" and must let everyone know.

Also, seeing how he likes to ridicule people based on a quick interchange of some sentences in a comment section on a website, he seems very literate.

GS:mac

Glassed Silver said,

He's "better" and "smarter" and must let everyone know.

Also, seeing how he likes to ridicule people based on a quick interchange of some sentences in a comment section on a website, he seems very literate.

GS:mac

Thank you.

Mr.XXIV said,


I just gave one. I'm a developer, designer, producer, and I run the fastest server on Host Gator.

Exactly, I practically run everything on my laptop and it's hell for me. I have over 75,000 songs to organize and I use 3 monitors to watch tv there, design here, and do a lot of benchmarking on my websites. Let's not forget that I also want to work on iOS apps since I have the iPhone too.

that must be why i can do all that with my 4GB ram laptop and everything goes fine oh and i dont know if you know but hostgator runs linux servers

Sofaires said,

that must be why i can do all that with my 4GB ram laptop and everything goes fine oh and i dont know if you know but hostgator runs linux servers

You know that OS X is Unix which coexists with the functionalities of Linux.

And 4GB is definitely not enough. You have no idea.

n_K said,
"up to 32GB of RAM"
So it's nice to have that much RAM and all but... Why? It's not a high-end system so you wouldn't use it for GPU/CPU processing like render farms. I don't know of any games that'd need even 8GB of RAM, and working with photoshop wouldn't need that much either so I'm at a loss to if anything on mac would actually need/use it?

Also problem with price "and will cost $1,2999" if it costs 12 grand I can see why no-one would buy it

first thing i thought too
32gb of ram is a wasteful joke

and to all the people defending it above me here post some screenshots proving your usage and what you were doing that was productive (not just loading ram up to prove a point but under normal conditions)

oh and by the way,
I am "better" and "smarter" and WILL let everyone know.
because it's true i have the experience and the technical know how to
have every right to feel superior to most computer users.
I won't feel ashamed or embarrased ever because my resume speaks for its self.
when other flap their damn mouth i step up and deliver.
Can't count how many so called cocky computer experts have to get me to fix their machines for them.. I'm waiting for some right now being sent airmail from out of town by someone who was last trying to give me a smug little lecture on bandwidth lol
I'm sure it makes people mad knowing there are people out there that can run circles around them. Good

Mr.XXIV said,

When I get the iMac I plan on investing two Thunderbolt Displays when newer ones come out.

I have a Nikon D700 and they are pixel perfect!

You're talking < 30mb per image from the D700 right? I have no idea how your Raw argument makes sense. At least GS had valid reasoning. You definitely don't need that much ram to develop websites or mobile applications. Only a box running tons of server services or many vm's is really going to push 32gb.

As far as the Thunderbolt displays. You're welcome to spend your money however you please. But jesus man, you really need to search the internet. It's your capital to invest, but frankly, you're investing more into looks and status than usability. If that's your thing then *high five*

Glassed Silver said,
Uhm, well I have an iMac with 32GB of RAM and I certainly make good use of it.
You'd be surprised how easy it is to use it with the right hobbies and passions or ways of multitasking badass applications.
Also, I don't even notice when I have a couple of VMs running in the background apart from HDD access times maybe.
With Parallels I can even use those VMs just like virtual desktops thanks to Mission Control.

Really, plenty of use cases.

Yeah, except they explicitely said the EDGES are 5mm thin.
I think by them showing the back in full, the side in full and having them in the stores it's hard to "fall for a 5mm lie".

The 32GB got introduced, because as of now, Apple also uses 8GB RAM modules that became rather affordable this year.
One year ago you couldn't get them for less than 200€ around here, now they are like 50€ and that was Apple's reason to start using them, too.

By the way, a couple of Macs already can take the 8GB modules, it's just not advertised.

GS:mac

Your comment re: needed ram makes some sense, though I'd love to see what you're doing on a workstation to tie up 32gb of ram that isn't 3d modeling or huge rasterized graphics.

As far as afforability of the ram. Pigeon holing yourself into the imac with specialized ram modules (yes, i'm assuming) is going to be an expensive choice. They're already charging 1k to upgrade to 32gb on their powermacs. if they lower that to $300ish then I buy your argument. But otherwise, buy a powermac and buy sticks from NewEgg etc.

MrHumpty said,

You're talking < 30mb per image from the D700 right? I have no idea how your Raw argument makes sense. At least GS had valid reasoning. You definitely don't need that much ram to develop websites or mobile applications. Only a box running tons of server services or many vm's is really going to push 32gb.

As far as the Thunderbolt displays. You're welcome to spend your money however you please. But jesus man, you really need to search the internet. It's your capital to invest, but frankly, you're investing more into looks and status than usability. If that's your thing then *high five*

I'm guessing you only read one of my comments.

MrHumpty said,

Your comment re: needed ram makes some sense, though I'd love to see what you're doing on a workstation to tie up 32gb of ram that isn't 3d modeling or huge rasterized graphics.

As far as afforability of the ram. Pigeon holing yourself into the imac with specialized ram modules (yes, i'm assuming) is going to be an expensive choice. They're already charging 1k to upgrade to 32gb on their powermacs. if they lower that to $300ish then I buy your argument. But otherwise, buy a powermac and buy sticks from NewEgg etc.


As (unsuccessfully) implied, last year's models didn't even advertise being able to take 32GB.
So I added them myself.

Special RAM? Nope, it's regular unregistered SODIMMs that you put in there.
When I bought mine they were much cheaper than half a year before I purchased them.

Well, what do you expect me to do?
Take videos?

Amongst other things, here are some of the memory suckers:
-I'm pretty wasteful on RAM by my use of a couple of programs that are not typically programs in themselves that need 32GB. I multitask a lot, so yeah, those in the background adds to that
-Ramdisks
-Aperture - quite frankly it's a memory hog
-VMs, I have often enough some VMs in the background, often I don't need them, but it's those occassions when all your memory sucking activities fall together when you get frustrated.
Seeing how the RAM was pretty cheap and I was going for at least 16GB anyways, I thought I might as well go with 32 and save myself reselling the 16GB later on down the road and repurchase.
Yes, this is also partially future-proofing my Mac.

Generally speaking, Mac OS X uses memory a little different from at least the Windows version I used to use as daily drivers, so yeah, never running on virtual memory is a huge benefit in my book.


About Photoshop:
It's not too hard to actually fill up a bunch of GBs with that application, as pictures in RAM are in decompressed format and depending on the work you do the color depth might make them horribly huge.
Now have some stuff running in the background still and you're thankful for every RAM stick in your machine.

In near future my iMac will run some servers, too.
Amongst them will be WebDAV, VPN and probably FTP.
It's always good to have plenty of RAM for servers to begin with, seeing how this will be a mix of workstation and server (the server will mostly be for me and friends) it's sensible to go a little higher.

I also do some video work, not a lot right now, but more again in future.
That is with Full HD videos so yeah, again, plenty of RAM pays off.

@I am Not PCyr:
I wasn't talking about you, but thanks for taking the chance to show us what kind of person you are.
I'm not going to say any more about that.

GS:mac

TruckWEB said,
And WHO are you to tell us how we are supposed to use VM?

Let me quote that for you....
'you'd only really need 1 VM on at a time, so 8GB would be more than enough for just that for the average home user.'
I've even put the important part in bold for you because despite techy people using loads of VMs and whatnot, the AVERAGE HOME USER, does NOT.

n_K said,

Let me quote that for you....
'you'd only really need 1 VM on at a time, so 8GB would be more than enough for just that for the average home user.'
I've even put the important part in bold for you because despite techy people using loads of VMs and whatnot, the AVERAGE HOME USER, does NOT.

No, no, actually, I'll be using 1 for Windows 8 (App Development) and another for Windows 7 (Easier to use for browser testing and more development).