Apple announces the iPhone 4

Well, it's official. Steve Jobs has uttered the "magic" words. Today at Apple's World Wide Developers Conference, the iPhone 4 was announced, putting all prior forms of speculation to rest. The new phone will run iPhone OS 4, which has now been renamed iOS 4. Apple is also releasing over 100 new features as part of their development SDK. Included in these features are multitasking, folders, a unified inbox, and deeper enterprise support.

Microsoft's Bing has been added as an alternative search engine option in iOS 4 (Google remains the default). iBooks for the iPhone will also be available and will allow you to access the content that you've already purchased for your iPad.

Previously thought to be called iChat, FaceTime, was shown off as Steve Jobs' famous "one more thing." FaceTime is real-time video chat, available between two iPhone 4 devices. For the remainder of 2010, it will be only usable over Wi-Fi, as carriers are not yet ready for the extra traffic. Apple plans to make FaceTime an open industry standard.

iPhone 4 will be available from AT&T on June 24th for $199 (16 GB) and $299 (32 GB), assuming you sign a two-year contract. If your contact was set to expire at any point in 2010, you will be elligible for an upgrade immediately. Pre-orders begin on June 15th. The phone will initially be available in the US, France, Germany, UK, and Japan, with many more countries to follow (88 planned for 2010). At launch, a case will be available in six colors for $29. iOS 4 will be available as a free update for iPod Touch (2nd gen and above) and iPhone 3G and 3GS users on June 21st.

Here's what the iPhone 4 will sport:

  • New design made of glass and steel (24% thinner than iPhone 3GS)
  • Apple A4 processor
  • 3.5" Retina Display - 326 pixels per inch (960 x 640)
  • Bigger battery (7 hr. 3G talk, 6 hr. 3G browsing, 10 hr. Wi-Fi browsing, 300 hr. standby)
  • Front-facing camera
  • 5 MP camera with LED flash and illuminated sensor (tap to focus)
  • 720p HD video recording with built-in iMovie video editing (iMovie available in App Store for $4.99)
  • microSIM
  • Wi-Fi, GPS, Bluetooth, UMTS, GSM (quad-band)
  • 2 microphones
  • Available in 16 GB or 32 GB models
  • 802.11n Wi-Fi
  • 3-axis gyroscope (6-axis motion sensing for gaming)

For more information about the iPhone 4, visit Apple's website.

UPDATE: Engadget has been given some hands on time with the iPhone 4 and has posted this video of FaceTime in action. Even over Wi-Fi, it still seems pretty choppy. However, that could be due to the number of FaceTime demos going on at the same time.

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Been using iOS4 for a few days now and love it so far, However a lot of the apps still dont work using multi tasking. I love the folders though and the camera shutter speed is awesome !!

Anyone else notice at around the minute mark, the guy in a video call with, i'm guessing, his partner and child. When we are looking at him, he is holding the phone portrait and when we see him looking into the screen (viewing from his perspective) he is holding the phone landscape?

Spotters badge for me?

gawd i hate that first guy in that adverts you would swear he was talking about something amazing like the fountain of youth.. Its a phone for gawd sake

How silly Apple "finally" put a front camera into the iPhone after other smartphones already done years ago...boasting that's "the most exciting innovation", etc..

OMG, that video is painful to watch... I guess you have to be an Apple enthusiast to watch that and not laugh.

Sorry but the clip is totally pathetic. Is this what we call marketing? I guess so.
If everything wasn't that surreal then those persons in the clip missed years of action by waiting blindly for another 'Apple's feature'.

mk1990 said,
Only read a handful of comments, but where abouts does this so called microSIM slip into?

Sim tray is on the right hand side

It's the first iPhone that actually looks good, IMO. The guy during the middle of the video freaks me out, though. lol Does he ever blink?

Nothing revolutionary. though battery becomes bigger, you still got to charge it once a day. what a damn pain!

and still an outdated 3.5' screen. it is understandable because of the icons. if the screen size changes, you can understand how it affects all the icons.

samsung galaxy S and HTC EVO offers equally good if not better phones.
the reason i stay away from Sony products is exactly the same reason i stay away from apple products. though they make great products, they will rape you once you are in their camp.

No HSPA+ support? Why must Canadian iPhone users be made to suffer with the slow 7.2 Mbps connectivity when every single Android phone here supports the HSPA+ (21.6 Mbps) network? Isn't AT&T supposed to upgrade to HSPA+ by the end of this year or something? Wouldn't it have been better to have a phone that supported the higher speed now rather than release one a year from now? This is just dumb.

iphone is great but this is defintley not the revolution that the 1g iphone was....if your new to the i world then this would be great but for iusers there is not much that should convince you to upgrade. new users beware of that 2gb 3g limit also.

Windows7even said,
new users beware of that 2gb 3g limit also.

Dare you to email that video to your friends! $$$$ = AT&T overbilling smiles!!!

WOW the iFail has Video calls....NO OTHER PHONE HAS HAD THAT FOR YEARS LOL

And still no Flash
Steve you failHard

I dunno why, but it looks like it's the iPhone 1.0 to me - as in the first three look more 'modern' than this one. Need to see it in the flesh I guess

I still think the screen should be bigger, there's a lot of black empty spaced at the top and bottom.

Welp, looks like Apple finally hit the wall. Their new phone is nothing new, and most people would rather take the EVO because it offers basically the same thing, but at a much reasonable price... not including 4g coverage from sprint which almost rapes at&t's 3g coverage.....
Was expecting much more from apple, because normally they will do something that will make most of us go, Naaaaaa , Never!, but this time, nothing... The screen is nice, but at that size, you really won't notice much compared to other phones. The EVO can do 720 hd video recording as well, so still no advantage. The battery life is alright, but we have yet to see how it will fair when it is loaded with multitasking and such. And there is still the lack of flash and open development, so the EVO already wins in that department.
Looks like Apple will have to hurry up with another revision of this phone is they want to stay "ahead" of the curve. Maybe a Iphone 5g for $800 that comes with a tazer or something to keep people from stealing it.....but this phone is just meh when you compare it to what just came out and is coming out.

Looks like HTC hit apple hard with releasing the EVO first. Now instead of people saying, Apple did it, its HTC did it

shakey said,
Welp, looks like Apple finally hit the wall. Their new phone is nothing new, and most people would rather take the EVO because it offers basically the same thing, but at a much reasonable price... not including 4g coverage from sprint which almost rapes at&t's 3g coverage.....
Was expecting much more from apple, because normally they will do something that will make most of us go, Naaaaaa , Never!, but this time, nothing... The screen is nice, but at that size, you really won't notice much compared to other phones. The EVO can do 720 hd video recording as well, so still no advantage. The battery life is alright, but we have yet to see how it will fair when it is loaded with multitasking and such. And there is still the lack of flash and open development, so the EVO already wins in that department.
Looks like Apple will have to hurry up with another revision of this phone is they want to stay "ahead" of the curve. Maybe a Iphone 5g for $800 that comes with a tazer or something to keep people from stealing it.....but this phone is just meh when you compare it to what just came out and is coming out.

Looks like HTC hit apple hard with releasing the EVO first. Now instead of people saying, Apple did it, its HTC did it

well said

Just a question. is FaceTime just a video chatting propram iPhone4 to iPhone4 or (when on 3G network) it is a conventional 3G video call? like every other 3G phone in the world?? so I can call anyone!!

Tamer Baset said,
Just a question. is FaceTime just a video chatting propram iPhone4 to iPhone4 or (when on 3G network) it is a conventional 3G video call? like every other 3G phone in the world?? so I can call anyone!!

only in iphone4 using WiFi.

Damn, it was only last night I purchased the iPod touch 3rd Gen because I couldn't decide which phone to get next!!!! Grrr, have I made a bad decision?!

br0gan said,
Damn, it was only last night I purchased the iPod touch 3rd Gen because I couldn't decide which phone to get next!!!! Grrr, have I made a bad decision?!

Can you not just cancel the order either via Apple or tell your credit card company/bank to not allow the transaction?

OxideNOS said,
i would rather get droid incredible. personally the new iphone looks ugly

the only thing i dont like about the incredible is the back side

So they now have video chat on the iPhone, BUT it is only over WIFI? How useless is that?

I've had LG phones back in 2004 that could do video chat over 3G.

MindTrickz said,
So they now have video chat on the iPhone, BUT it is only over WIFI? How useless is that?

I've had LG phones back in 2004 that could do video chat over 3G.

I didn't even know that 3G existed back then.

MindTrickz said,
So they now have video chat on the iPhone, BUT it is only over WIFI? How useless is that?

I've had LG phones back in 2004 that could do video chat over 3G.

LMAO!!! Exactly! I had a sony ericsson w900 a few years back, and it had two cameras, and could do video chat.

The list of "features" on the iphone is really sad. Especially considering how "magical" it was supposed to be! Maybe steve should spend less time at hogwarts, and more time making a better product.

MindTrickz said,
So they now have video chat on the iPhone, BUT it is only over WIFI? How useless is that?

I've had LG phones back in 2004 that could do video chat over 3G.

LMAO!!! Exactly! I had a sony ericsson w900 a few years back, and it had two cameras, and could do video chat.

The list of "features" on the iphone is really sad. Especially considering how "magical" it was supposed to be! Maybe steve should spend less time at hogwarts, and more time making a better product.

(Spork) said,
lol Icrap is Epic fail !
love how they add the LED light .... hm EVO

Vid Calls EVO


ROFL

iCrap... original. I love how everyone hates apple because they "innovate" things that have been out already. They do... have you heard of any of the stuff listed in there being advertised mainstream before Apple let it out? No. That's because apple builds on stuff and makes it better. Find me a touch screen that has multi touch as good as my 3GS. And please don't say the Incredible or EVO. I've used both and they're sickening how unresponsive and imperfect they are. Clicked a "K" and got a space on the "incredible". Awesome. Totally awesome.

New phone looks awesome. Won't be able to upgrade until next year, though. Oh well, next years phone will no doubt be even better and my 3GS will be getting most of the OS 4 features.

Hope O2 do a similar deal with current iPhone owners - i'll happily start a new 24-month contract to get an iPhone 4.

bbfc_uk said,
Hope O2 do a similar deal with current iPhone owners - i'll happily start a new 24-month contract to get an iPhone 4.

phone companies need to move away from 24 month contracts. new phones are coming out too fast...

bbfc_uk said,
Hope O2 do a similar deal with current iPhone owners - i'll happily start a new 24-month contract to get an iPhone 4.

I hope this too, on twitter they're coming out with a upgrade deal for existing iPhone owners. I'd gladly reset my contract to a new 24 month one if they let me upgrade

Drew said,

I hope this too, on twitter they're coming out with a upgrade deal for existing iPhone owners. I'd gladly reset my contract to a new 24 month one if they let me upgrade

Just seen that... hope its a good offer!

Drew said,

I hope this too, on twitter they're coming out with a upgrade deal for existing iPhone owners. I'd gladly reset my contract to a new 24 month one if they let me upgrade

Just seen that... hope its a good offer!

Wow so many rumors squashed. Safari 5, iPad printing, Verizon, Mac Pro updates, Mac Mini updates, new Apple TV.....NOTHING about the Mac.

rrode74 said,
Wow so many rumors squashed. Safari 5, iPad printing, Verizon, Mac Pro updates, Mac Mini updates, new Apple TV.....NOTHING about the Mac.

Shows how much they really care about Mac these days.

rrode74 said,
Wow so many rumors squashed. Safari 5, iPad printing, Verizon, Mac Pro updates, Mac Mini updates, new Apple TV.....NOTHING about the Mac.

Patience. This was just day one of WWDC. A Mac Pro and Mac mini update might not need an announcement from Steve. The MacBook Pros and MacBook were updated via the web.

I'll believe that this so called "Retina Display" is better than OLED when I see with my own eyes and compare it to my Desire.

The camera looks impressive and the phone does look great, but other than that I'm not overly impressed by it. It'll take a lot more than that to persuade me back from Android, but thanks for playing

Hardcore Til I Die said,
I'll believe that this so called "Retina Display" is better than OLED when I see with my own eyes and compare it to my Desire.

Indeed. Sorry, Steve, but OLED is light emissive and righteous on battery life, etc.

xSuRgEx said,
nice to the mute switch is in the same place, i just hope its not so easy to activate like it is on iphone.

Every time I flick it by accident it feels like it's going to break.

A massive crack/roar noise

I love the new look and all, but I'm disgusted by their marketing show offs like "We're bringing video-calling to the world". Let me think, I've been video-calling through Skype since 2002 and before that I was using MSN.. maybe the Apple guys were on some other planet all these years.

Or sentences like "FaceTime is gonna change the way we communicate, forever". Erhm, hello?

paokun said,
I love the new look and all, but I'm disgusted by their marketing show offs like "We're bringing video-calling to the world". Let me think, I've been video-calling through Skype since 2002 and before that I was using MSN.. maybe the Apple guys were on some other planet all these years.

Or sentences like "FaceTime is gonna change the way we communicate, forever". Erhm, hello?


um well video calling has been around since the Mid 90s and done better on the Mac laptops and desktops since for a long time now so whats your point .


you tho seem to miss the fact this is on a Phone bot just any phone but the iPhone and the fact they Apple has a Processor the A4 1ghz that is so damn energy battery efficient that it can do every damn task other Phones can do including video Calling but without using much battery life.

Good example is the Nokia phones with front facing camera forget witch version but inferior design in the hardware and crap battery i know this cause one gal on Justin.tv does live streaming from it or did at 1 point and it ate 90% of the battery just for that and that was maby 15mins .


So While we have had skype on the PC and video calling in general since mid 90s this will be the first time it has been done Correct and Right on a Phone

[quote=paokun said,]I love the new look and all, but I'm disgusted by their marketing show offs like "We're bringing video-calling to the world". Let me think, I've been video-calling through Skype since 2002 and before that I was using MSN.. maybe the Apple guys were on some other planet all these years.

This is the whole part of the marketing machine don cha know they get these dimwitts into thinking i have to have this montra , and that ja steve jobs is laughing all the way to the bank

paokun said,
I love the new look and all, but I'm disgusted by their marketing show offs like "We're bringing video-calling to the world". Let me think, I've been video-calling through Skype since 2002 and before that I was using MSN.. maybe the Apple guys were on some other planet all these years.

Or sentences like "FaceTime is gonna change the way we communicate, forever". Erhm, hello?

Exactly. They say they plan to make FaceTime an "open industry standard", huh? Isn't there already something like that... you know... because SIP does support video calling...

If they mean they'll be charging manufacturers to implement it then I say no way.

bmaher said,
I wonder how upgrading is gonna work with pre-orders.

They'll have access to AT&T's database just as they do in their retail stores. Once you put in your phone number (or possibly sign into your AT&T online account), they'll know if you're eligible.

Impressive but with a bigger battery, faster processor and it being thinner! dam my iphone 3gs gets pretty toasty at times, this thing is going to be burning hot!
The new design is nice, but I must admit I prefer the old one, Its different compared to the other smartphones but now its getting a bit samey. just my 2 pence

jonnyH said,
Impressive but with a bigger battery, faster processor and it being thinner! dam my iphone 3gs gets pretty toasty at times, this thing is going to be burning hot!
The new design is nice, but I must admit I prefer the old one, Its different compared to the other smartphones but now its getting a bit samey. just my 2 pence

im not 100% positive but doesnt the A4 use less power? It shouldn't heat up as much because less energy is being transferred.

I'll stick with my HTC Desire thanks. When Android 2.2 is released later this month just watch as the quality of apps on Android exponentially increase when we can increase their size and copy to the sd card.
The iphone 4 looks sexy, but I like my Desire's looks and people have been coming to me on the tube this week asking what phone it is.
Save your money folks and get a Desire!

thefonz said,
I'll stick with my HTC Desire thanks. When Android 2.2 is released later this month just watch as the quality of apps on Android exponentially increase when we can increase their size and copy to the sd card.
The iphone 4 looks sexy, but I like my Desire's looks and people have been coming to me on the tube this week asking what phone it is.
Save your money folks and get a Desire!

I've been very tempted to get a desire. Currently on a 3G and my contract has been up for a few months but I've been waiting for the iPhone 4. At the moment the iPhone 4 is just edging it for me, mainly because of my reliance on the apps - although the new screen and iMovie look pretty sweet. I have no use for video calling, they've done nothing different to what has been done years ago.

I think andriod is about a year away from getting my custom though. Going to be an interesting year, and I'm not sure Apple's annual release cycle is quick enough to keep up with the change.

DomZ said,

I've been very tempted to get a desire. Currently on a 3G and my contract has been up for a few months but I've been waiting for the iPhone 4. At the moment the iPhone 4 is just edging it for me, mainly because of my reliance on the apps - although the new screen and iMovie look pretty sweet. I have no use for video calling, they've done nothing different to what has been done years ago.

I think andriod is about a year away from getting my custom though. Going to be an interesting year, and I'm not sure Apple's annual release cycle is quick enough to keep up with the change.

Yes well while we may have had Mobile phones in the past do Video calling and such ther is a few things different. those phones used inferior hardware CPU and Battery witch meant very poor battery life and video performance, also poor OS design and hindered how everything seamlessly seems to just flow so ther is alot more i could say but i wont.

i will say 1 thing tho is that when Apple does something it usually ends up being better then other because they seem to do it right while others try and copy and Fail

thefonz said,
I'll stick with my HTC Desire thanks. When Android 2.2 is released later this month just watch as the quality of apps on Android exponentially increase when we can increase their size and copy to the sd card.
The iphone 4 looks sexy, but I like my Desire's looks and people have been coming to me on the tube this week asking what phone it is.
Save your money folks and get a Desire!

Prepare for a whole new set of Android phones to come this summer

Happy I didn't wait for the iPhone to get the Evo.
That new iPhone is not bad but definitely not revolutionary. But what makes it less attractive is the ****ty AT&T network you have to cope with, plus their new "limited" data plans.

essential+ said,
Happy I didn't wait for the iPhone to get the Evo.
That new iPhone is not bad but definitely not revolutionary. But what makes it less attractive is the ****ty AT&T network you have to cope with, plus their new "limited" data plans.

Wait, AT&T make the iPhone less attractive? What?

Jan said,

Wait, AT&T make the iPhone less attractive? What?


Not for me. at&t is damn good in the area I live in. If you live in San Fran or NYC that's what you get for living in over populated areas.


Front-facing camera

Wasn't that the thing Apple fanboys claimed nobody wants? You know, like multitasking? And Copy/Paste?
Anyway, good luck streaming video over 3G.
On AT&T.

k7of9 said,

Wasn't that the thing Apple fanboys claimed nobody wants? You know, like multitasking? And Copy/Paste?
Anyway, good luck streaming video over 3G.
On AT&T.

Yea good luck considering the streaming video from the cameras has nothing to do with 3G in any way, shape, or form. 3G works just fine to stream video from youtube but that has nothing to do with the camera.

k7of9 said,

Wasn't that the thing Apple fanboys claimed nobody wants? You know, like multitasking? And Copy/Paste?
Anyway, good luck streaming video over 3G.
On AT&T.

erm, if you have already you read, which it seems like you didn't, it's only wifi ONLY.

k7of9 said,

Wasn't that the thing Apple fanboys claimed nobody wants? You know, like multitasking? And Copy/Paste?
Anyway, good luck streaming video over 3G.
On AT&T.

I don't which fanboys you're talking about but I certainly wanted copy and paste and multitasking. Nice generalization.

Krpano said,
Disappointed.
Where is the "innovation" typical from Apple ?
Let's hope MS can do better.

its gone, its all about the money now =(

"The Apple circus is increasingly repulsive. Money; power; rabid supporters. Totalitarianism always had a strong visual identity."

3lixir said,
"The Apple circus is increasingly repulsive. Money; power; rabid supporters. Totalitarianism always had a strong visual identity."

You forgot the dictator Jobs sitting at top loll

Marius F said,
does a live stream exist? to see the wwdc ?

Apple has yet to live stream it. However, the video should be up sometime tonight on Apple's site.

majortom1981 said,
Att's exclusivity must run out in 2011 since they are offering a ton of people new upgrade prices.

It ends this year. That's why they're offering new upgrade pricing to so many. That way they can lock in a lot more people for two years before Verizon gets the iPhone next year. In two years, the gap between Verizon and AT&T's data and voice networks won't be so big because they'll both be on LTE. So those customers just coming out of their two year contracts might not have as much reason to switch to Verizon with the iPhone.

Epic fail....I really thought the iphone would be awesome, but it flopped. I'm going to be getting a 4g evo and go to sprint...much better phone. the marketing spin steve is putting on the crap features listed is making me sick

SirEvan said,
Epic fail....I really thought the iphone would be awesome, but it flopped. I'm going to be getting a 4g evo and go to sprint...much better phone. the marketing spin steve is putting on the crap features listed is making me sick

hey he likes reading winnie the pooh lmaoo

SirEvan said,
Epic fail....I really thought the iphone would be awesome, but it flopped. I'm going to be getting a 4g evo and go to sprint...much better phone. the marketing spin steve is putting on the crap features listed is making me sick

If the iPhone was a flop i`d hate to see what you call something that really doesn`t do well

Riggers said,

If the iPhone was a flop i`d hate to see what you call something that really doesn`t do well

Not calling the phone a flop, calling the WWDC announcement of it.

"WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS!!!!!!1111zzzz"

all the garbage he spewed about the features, they aren't really that exciting, and there wasn't a "must have" feature listed... iAds? gimmie a break. Retina screen? LOL! wifi only video chat? I'll never use it but fail. i was 50/50 between this and the Evo, looks like i gotta switch providers. the only thing I can really say i want about the iphone 4 is that the screen is 24bit, evo is only 16.

SirEvan said,

Not calling the phone a flop, calling the WWDC announcement of it.

"WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS!!!!!!1111zzzz"

all the garbage he spewed about the features, they aren't really that exciting, and there wasn't a "must have" feature listed... iAds? gimmie a break. Retina screen? LOL! wifi only video chat? I'll never use it but fail. i was 50/50 between this and the Evo, looks like i gotta switch providers. the only thing I can really say i want about the iphone 4 is that the screen is 24bit, evo is only 16.


Specs on a page mean nothing. I've seen plenty of phones/computers that have great specs but are executed awfully. I'm not saying the Evo is junk, just that because the specs are normal for a phone released this year doesn't automatically make iPhone 4 crap.

and people complain about google's IO wifi which some apple fan boys said that Apple had a better one, i don't remember Google telling people to turn off their wifi lolz, funny

Lw011 said,
and people complain about google's IO wifi which some apple fan boys said that Apple had a better one, i don't remember Google telling people to turn off their wifi lolz, funny
That's exactly what Google did although it was Bluetooth, not WiFi, iirc.

Every time i see a picture of Steve Jobs he looks like he`s got a cucumber stuck up his bottom. Is it just me...!

Nice looking piece of kit though, allthough most buyers won`t use half the features much.

So video I am guessing is wifi only and if it doesnt work in their presentation how will it work with even more access points all around?

Also its awkward having to hold your phone out with speakerphone on just to do a video call.

eblkheart said,
VIDEO CALLING!

Which people might use!.

Wi-Fi = No ridiculous 3G Network Charges, and it removes the need to sit at a desk etc

acnpt said,

Wi-Fi = No ridiculous 3G Network Charges, and it removes the need to sit at a desk etc

WiFi = locked into a single location for the duration of the call. No cars, no walking, etc. etc.

"$60m committed to second half of this year for iAds from advertisers."
Whoa, that a way of attracting good developers!.

evo_spook said,
The only worry I have is iAds, I hope its used sensibly and is controlled tightly

hopefully they set some guidelines. they already block apps that dont do exactly what you say they do. maybe some guidelines that say how many ads they can have or something? multitasking will make it to easy to take over your phone with an ad which some games would cause you to lose.

Nothing too impressive but tbh, I do want to upgrade. The HD video will be good for when my baby is born.

Pretty impressive looking phone. Be interested to try one at some point but don't think I'll lose sleep over having gone to a HTC Desire / Android

Chicane-UK said,
Pretty impressive looking phone. Be interested to try one at some point but don't think I'll lose sleep over having gone to a HTC Desire / Android

Indeed, I'm not saying the iPhone is a bad phone, but after looking at the video and reading through the specs list, I'm glad I have my HTC Desire .

Scirwode

neufuse said,
uh...... iOS 4? Cisco where are you with your trademark lawyers?

My thought exactly when I saw that. That's unless they already talked to them about it and did a prearrangement.

eblkheart said,

My thought exactly when I saw that. That's unless they already talked to them about it and did a prearrangement.

That would of invalidated their trademark they paid for though..... you can't let someone else use your trademark, you have to protect it or you lose it....

neufuse said,

That would of invalidated their trademark they paid for though..... you can't let someone else use your trademark, you have to protect it or you lose it....

True... thank you for the pointing that out.

neufuse said,

That would of invalidated their trademark they paid for though..... you can't let someone else use your trademark, you have to protect it or you lose it....

are trademarks cap sensitive? ><

neufuse said,
uh...... iOS 4? Cisco where are you with your trademark lawyers?

i'[m sure they asked first , surely they wouldn't be that stuipid

Deviate_X said,

i'[m sure they asked first , surely they wouldn't be that stuipid

I think the law says you have to prevent others from using you trademark to keep it when renewal comes up....

Deviate_X said,
i'[m sure they asked first , surely they wouldn't be that stuipid

This is Apple we're talking about... SJ has a superiority complex and believe he is somehow above the law and doesn't have to follow the rules. I hope Cisco destroys Apple for this stunt.

omg apple keeps telling us what we want and need to stop... nobody wants 4x the pixels or a front facing camera! hd recording...who would ever want that. nobody but the fanboys. where is shakey when we need him. he is good at pointing out that apple is evil and nobody wants these features...

SputnikGamer said,
what was my advice???

You're saying that Apple should stop telling what people want and do not want, yet you're doing the exact same thing...

.Neo said,

You're saying that Apple should stop telling what people want and do not want, yet you're doing the exact same thing...

do i really have to add sarcasm tags for you to figure out my post...

People and Apple fanbois alike, lets make this very clear. With the EVO just being released and now the iPhone it comes down to which is better between the two. My opinion is EVO > iPhone! Before all the Apple fanbois start gawking, I have an iPhone right now and I'm terminating my contract for an EVO. Just remember Apple uses Foxconn to make the iPhone and foxconn drives it's employees to suicide so really all you apple lovers are pro suicide...

fiver_ said,
People and Apple fanbois alike, lets make this very clear. With the EVO just being released and now the iPhone it comes down to which is better between the two. My opinion is EVO > iPhone! Before all the Apple fanbois start gawking, I have an iPhone right now and I'm terminating my contract for an EVO. Just remember Apple uses Foxconn to make the iPhone and foxconn drives it's employees to suicide so really all you apple lovers are pro suicide...

LOL I think I am going to get in quite a few arguments today with Apple fanboys

fiver_ said,
People and Apple fanbois alike, lets make this very clear. With the EVO just being released and now the iPhone it comes down to which is better between the two. My opinion is EVO > iPhone! Before all the Apple fanbois start gawking, I have an iPhone right now and I'm terminating my contract for an EVO. Just remember Apple uses Foxconn to make the iPhone and foxconn drives it's employees to suicide so really all you apple lovers are pro suicide...

you dont play xbox or playstation. you dont have a mobo with intel chips. nintendo wii, not for you. you would never buy a dell or hp product of any sort. motorala or kindle, never under your watch. and forget about you using the internet since cisco makes a large amount of the network hardware uses to make that work..... all companies that make their products through Foxconn.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn

SputnikGamer said,

you dont play xbox or playstation. you dont have a mobo with intel chips. nintendo wii, not for you. you would never buy a dell or hp product of any sort. motorala or kindle, never under your watch. and forget about you using the internet since cisco makes a large amount of the network hardware uses to make that work..... all companies that make their products through Foxconn.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn


Which is why they employ how many hundreds of thousands of employees (~400,000) which is the same as a good size US city. The suicide rate is normal for that population. Troubling, but still normal.

SputnikGamer said,

you dont play xbox or playstation. you dont have a mobo with intel chips. nintendo wii, not for you. you would never buy a dell or hp product of any sort. motorala or kindle, never under your watch. and forget about you using the internet since cisco makes a large amount of the network hardware uses to make that work..... all companies that make their products through Foxconn.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn

+50
fiver_ = clueless idiot. "Apple lovers are pro suicide..." One of the dumbest things I've heard in a while.

And there will certainly be a new improved EVO in a few months, certainly within 6. How many EVO generations will be released before next year's modest iPhone refresh?!

Jan said,
A brilliant phone from Apple! No other phone compares to the iPhone 4.

You haven't even used it... What kind of basis do you have for that claim...

Conjor said,

You haven't even used it... What kind of basis do you have for that claim...

Cuz its the apple hype, if anyone else was to make a phone with better specs, people would say its average

Master1 said,

Cuz its the apple hype, if anyone else was to make a phone with better specs, people would say its average

I think that works both ways, you're saying this is nothing whilst going else where and praising Android phones, what hype are you calling yours?

evo_spook said,

I think that works both ways, you're saying this is nothing whilst going else where and praising Android phones, what hype are you calling yours?

Im not praising Android phones, im merely stating that they dont get the attention that they deserve

Master1 said,

Im not praising Android phones, im merely stating that they dont get the attention that they deserve

Except you don't see the excitment over this, but you do over the EVO, maybe they get the attention they deserver in their own thread, as heres a hint, this is a iPhone news story so its going to get the attention!!

evo_spook said,

Except you don't see the excitment over this, but you do over the EVO, maybe they get the attention they deserver in their own thread, as heres a hint, this is a iPhone news story so its going to get the attention!!

I never said iPhone is bad, im just saying when compared to other phones it gets religious treatment

Conjor said,

You haven't even used it... What kind of basis do you have for that claim...

Who needs a basis, it's Apple. It just is the best.

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evo_spook said,

I think that works both ways, you're saying this is nothing whilst going else where and praising Android phones, what hype are you calling yours?

lol. your crazy evo he didn't even mention android

Deviate_X said,

lol. your crazy evo he didn't even mention android

Read the other news story.

In here its, whats the fuss.
In the Evo sprint its wow, what an amazing phone

evo_spook said,

Read the other news story.

In here its, whats the fuss.
In the Evo sprint its wow, what an amazing phone

i just noticed ur username is evo loll

Conjor said,

You haven't even used it... What kind of basis do you have for that claim...

You know it's true... and on top of that I've used my friends HTC Incredible and it's noticeably SLOWER than my iPhone 3GS. Animations aren't smooth, performance sucks and the screen is incredibly unresponsive. I'll take an iPhone over any other phone.

giantsnyy said,

You know it's true... and on top of that I've used my friends HTC Incredible and it's noticeably SLOWER than my iPhone 3GS. Animations aren't smooth, performance sucks and the screen is incredibly unresponsive. I'll take an iPhone over any other phone.

Really ? With my experience the Incredible is just as fast as the iPhone

bloody hell, video editing on the phone looks incredibly impressive, shoot some video and then email it at the end of the night. I can't wait to get one of these!!

Hahaha, good luck with that and your new 2gb monthly data transfer limit on AT&T! 8P

What good is a feature you can only affordably use via WiFi?!

Jediweasel said,
another Apple product I won't be buying...

So? I thought the default position of all neowin members was 'Apple Hater'.

You can watch it LIVE (well it's about 4 minutes behind) on cnn.com It's on the homepage and just click the Live feed :-)

Kayle12 said,
You can watch it LIVE (well it's about 4 minutes behind) on cnn.com It's on the homepage and just click the Live feed :-)

thanks... watching it now

One of the most successful mobile phones on the market comes out with a new revision?!?! Damn didn't see that coming... You think there will be a Mac OS 11 too?

Conjor said,
One of the most successful mobile phones on the market comes out with a new revision?!?! Damn didn't see that coming... You think there will be a Mac OS 11 too?

Yes in the same way other successful products will have revisions and the earth turns.

kinetix63 said,
It really wants to still fit in my Bose iPod Dock, and in my TomTom car kit, or I am gonna be mighty, MIGHTY ******.
As long as they didn't change the pinouts in the dock like they did from iPhone 2G > iPhone 3G then I don't care. It'll work.

kinetix63 said,
It really wants to still fit in my Bose iPod Dock

kinetix63 said,
fit in my Bose iPod Dock

kinetix63 said,
my Bose iPod Dock

kinetix63 said,
Bose

.Neo said,
How many smart phones out there feature 64 GB of build-in storage?

Who needs built-in when you have expandable removeable storage? It's even better, and then you can put in as much as you want.

andrewbares said,

Who needs built-in when you have expandable removeable storage? It's even better, and then you can put in as much as you want.


Will you stop with all that logic! You're making the fanboys heads hurt.

thealexweb said,
Why no 64GB version?

It's more likely price and space issues.

The 32GB is probably 2 x 16GB nand chips. They don't have enough space for 4 and can't justify the price for 2 x 32GB.

DomZ said,

The 32GB is probably 2 x 16GB nand chips. They don't have enough space for 4 and can't justify the price for 2 x 32GB.

They could $300 extra for that and people would still drink the koolaid.

k7of9 said,

Will you stop with all that logic! You're making the fanboys heads hurt.

I'm not fond of expandable memory at all. You just stick it in, and then you leave it there forever. It's not a feature that's really appealing for the consumer IMHO.

PsykX said,

I'm not fond of expandable memory at all. You just stick it in, and then you leave it there forever. It's not a feature that's really appealing for the consumer IMHO.

So one day deciding that I want more music can be as simple as buying a 16GB micro SD card instead of buying a new phone is not appealing?

PsykX said,

I'm not fond of expandable memory at all. You just stick it in, and then you leave it there forever. It's not a feature that's really appealing for the consumer IMHO.


Yeah, REAL consumers don't want cheap upgrades for their phones.

Strange i thought they were about to introduce 128 gb at this stage since toshiba had new models of flash memory which could allow that size into their devices. I suppose that is going to come with the iPod Touch then.

I have to admit that I would have loved a unified device with lot of space instead of a single ipod touch but however.

SuperZod said,
Strange i thought they were about to introduce 128 gb at this stage since toshiba had new models of flash memory which could allow that size into their devices. I suppose that is going to come with the iPod Touch then.

I have to admit that I would have loved a unified device with lot of space instead of a single ipod touch but however.

128GB will go in the iPod Touch first, yeah
But no 64GB version for this new iPhone? It's a let down, let's all admit it

Master1 said,
I honestly don't see the excitement over this !!!
#

Unparalleled pixel density & screen resolution? The fastest phone on the market? *Good* HD 720p video recording? A *good* camera? Looks pretty swanky? Possibly the longest battery life of any current smartphone? I'll be fair I've never been interested in any iPhone before, and I'm on a HD2 now (massive disappointment btw), but this really does seem like the kinda of super phone that puts Apple at the head of the pack... if the price is right =/

~Johnny said,
#

Unparalleled pixel density & screen resolution? The fastest phone on the market? *Good* HD 720p video recording? A *good* camera? Looks pretty swanky? Possibly the longest battery life of any current smartphone? I'll be fair I've never been interested in any iPhone before, and I'm on a HD2 now (massive disappointment btw), but this really does seem like the kinda of super phone that puts Apple at the head of the pack... if the price is right =/

Yea it has good specs, but the EVO 4G also is good

~Johnny said,
#

Unparalleled pixel density & screen resolution? The fastest phone on the market? *Good* HD 720p video recording? A *good* camera? Looks pretty swanky? Possibly the longest battery life of any current smartphone? I'll be fair I've never been interested in any iPhone before, and I'm on a HD2 now (massive disappointment btw), but this really does seem like the kinda of super phone that puts Apple at the head of the pack... if the price is right =/

Evo is highly better, simply due to the Android OS. Hands down.

andrewbares said,

Evo is highly better, simply due to the Android OS. Hands down.

What?
You can't even take a screenshot without rooting.

iPhone beats the Evo, because of the apps available.

acnpt said,

What?
You can't even take a screenshot without rooting.

iPhone beats the Evo, because of the apps available.

Umm Windows has about 1 billion apps written for it, do u use all 1 billion of them, most of the stuff in the app stores are junk

~Johnny said,
#
Unparalleled pixel density & screen resolution?

By a slight margin (Xperia)


The fastest phone on the market?

Based on?


*Good* HD 720p video recording?

Nothing new.

A *good* camera?

Nothing new.

Looks pretty swanky?

Opinion.


Possibly the longest battery life of any current smartphone?

Based on?


but this really does seem like the kinda of super phone that puts Apple at the head of the pack...

More like playing catch-up

Master1 said,

most of the stuff in the app stores are junk

However a small amount in the app store, are light years ahead of apps in the marketplace.
(Actually have an iPhone and HTC Desire on my desk)

acnpt said,

What?
You can't even take a screenshot without rooting.

Yes you can.
Besides, how often do you want to make a phone screenshot? And why? To show off in forums?


iPhone beats the Evo, because of the apps available.

Yeah you don't want to miss out on those fart-apps (old, I know)
More and more big apps are coming to Android everyday.

acnpt said,

However a small amount in the app store, are light years ahead of apps in the marketplace.
(Actually have an iPhone and HTC Desire on my desk)

I agree but you also have to consider that the iPhone app store has been around for longer than the Android marketplace

Master1 said,

I agree but you also have to consider that the iPhone app store has been around for longer than the Android marketplace

Yet it doesn't have free turn-by-turn GPS? Google Maps with Turn-By-Turn is Android exclusive, as are other great apps. Have fun touting your "most apps" statistics, it means nothing in the real world.

andrewbares said,

Yet it doesn't have free turn-by-turn GPS? Google Maps with Turn-By-Turn is Android exclusive, as are other great apps. Have fun touting your "most apps" statistics, it means nothing in the real world.


Errr. He was actually supporting Android.

@Master1.....Your right, and I hope soon that the bigger developers build their applications for Android too.
As I've said before, Android OS + iPhone Apps(as well as Android apps) = Win!!

acnpt said,

Errr. He was actually supporting Android.

@Master1.....Your right, and I hope soon that the bigger developers build their applications for Android too.
As I've said before, Android OS + iPhone Apps(as well as Android apps) = Win!!

As Android gains more Steam, more developers write apps for it

Master1 said,
As Android gains more Steam, more developers write apps for it
I'm guessing if you had the choice between a brick and an iPhone, you'd pick the brick so you wouldn't be an "iSheep", correct? No matter what Apple put into this, you're never going to like it, am I right?

k7of9 said,

By a slight margin (Xperia)
Based on?
Nothing new.
Nothing new.
Opinion.
Based on?
More like playing catch-up

Wow, I know someone who's NOT going to buy an iPhone 4 XD

Personally, the feature list is very impressive. For $300, it's more than I could ever expect.

hotdog963al said,
I'm guessing if you had the choice between a brick and an iPhone, you'd pick the brick so you wouldn't be an "iSheep", correct? No matter what Apple put into this, you're never going to like it, am I right?

Now you are just exaggerating what I said

theyarecomingforyou said,
Looks nice but no doubt even with contract it will be much pricier than the competition and Android phones offer very strong competition.

Pretty much.

andrewbares said,
Pretty much.

When I bought my iPhone 3GS last year, I went with Fido (in Canada). First thing I tried to do was to save money on the contract, so I tried making myself a custom contract, and if I included everything the iPhone contract had, it became more expensive than the iPhone contract. So I just took the iPhone contract.

IMO there's no real competition (at least in North America). When they charge you $60, they give you for $60, which means… they don't give you a lot, but ALL companies don't give you a lot for that price. So in the end, I doubt other phones like Android smart phones will have better contract prices than the iPhone. AT&T said that their profit margin lost a lot of points because of the iPhone, so I don't think they would lower it even more by offering a better price for other phones.

Come back with proofs and I will have no problem accepting that other phones have considerably less expensive contracts. Compare an AT&T iPhone contract with another AT&T smartphone contract and that'll do it

PsykX said,
When I bought my iPhone 3GS last year, I went with Fido (in Canada). First thing I tried to do was to save money on the contract, so I tried making myself a custom contract, and if I included everything the iPhone contract had, it became more expensive than the iPhone contract. So I just took the iPhone contract.

IMO there's no real competition (at least in North America). When they charge you $60, they give you for $60, which means… they don't give you a lot, but ALL companies don't give you a lot for that price. So in the end, I doubt other phones like Android smart phones will have better contract prices than the iPhone. AT&T said that their profit margin lost a lot of points because of the iPhone, so I don't think they would lower it even more by offering a better price for other phones.

Come back with proofs and I will have no problem accepting that other phones have considerably less expensive contracts. Compare an AT&T iPhone contract with another AT&T smartphone contract and that'll do it

You have made about a dozen posts in this thread, all with pure speculation and no actual research or evidence. The HTC Evo 4G sits on the only 4G network in the country (Sprint), backed up by the most reliable and expansive 3G network in the country (Sprint / Verizon), with the lowest plan pricing available ($79.99 for Unlimited Everything). Drop $10 to have the HTC Hero or Samsung Moment with just 3G instead of 4G, again with Unlimited Everything.

Oh and let's not forget that nearly everybody qualifies for corporate discounts that bring the $69.99 plan down to around $55 per month.

Now please stop trolling, it's getting old.

vaximily said,
You have made about a dozen posts in this thread, all with pure speculation and no actual research or evidence. The HTC Evo 4G sits on the only 4G network in the country (Sprint), backed up by the most reliable and expansive 3G network in the country (Sprint / Verizon), with the lowest plan pricing available ($79.99 for Unlimited Everything). Drop $10 to have the HTC Hero or Samsung Moment with just 3G instead of 4G, again with Unlimited Everything.

Oh and let's not forget that nearly everybody qualifies for corporate discounts that bring the $69.99 plan down to around $55 per month.

Damn, I was talking about AT&T, you're talking about Verizon. Verizon has no choice than to lower their prices because they have to face the iPhone rivalry somehow.

vaximily said,
Now please stop trolling, it's getting old.

Trolling? Do you know what the definition of this word is?
If your first post from the top of the page is not trolling, only God knows what it was

PsykX said,
Damn, I was talking about AT&T, you're talking about Verizon. Verizon has no choice than to lower their prices because they have to face the iPhone rivalry somehow.

And you're back to not paying attention or doing your research again...

1. I was talking about Sprint, not Verizon. Verizon is at least a year away from even considering the launch of a 4G network, while Sprint has one that's been available and in use for quite some time and is quickly expanding.
2. Verizon has a nearly identical pricing structure to AT&T and doesn't have any problem attracting customer's without the iPhone because they of their expansive 3G network, while AT&T has the worst network in the country.

vaximily said,

And you're back to not paying attention or doing your research again...

1. I was talking about Sprint, not Verizon. Verizon is at least a year away from even considering the launch of a 4G network, while Sprint has one that's been available and in use for quite some time and is quickly expanding.
2. Verizon has a nearly identical pricing structure to AT&T and doesn't have any problem attracting customer's without the iPhone because they of their expansive 3G network, while AT&T has the worst network in the country.

I know AT&T is really bad and never said anything about it. About 1 awful thing happens to them every week, and it's not like they're just a victim. But the iPhone is exclusive to them right now, so no matter the price of the contract, people will pay for it. BUT it simply cannot be more expensive than the other phones on the SAME network.

Give the iPhone to Verizon and Sprint and the competition will be there and AT&T will lower the prices of all their phones (especially the iPhone) contracts to attract customers. Right now, the only good thing they've got is the iPhone XD

WelshBluebird said,

I mean no 64GB version as some people had expected (and hoped).


The phone would have to be thicker and more expensive because from the last I heard, they don't yet have 64GB nand chips or they are really high.

WelshBluebird said,
Only 32GB??

Yeah, that kinda sucks. For me, it's the biggest let down of the whole thing. All the rest is superb. I would have hoped for a 64GB.

WelshBluebird said,
Only 32GB??

Yeah, I'm sure iMovie is going to be AWESOME on the iPhone 4 with 32 gb of 720p video...8P

Give me a break. Where's the 64gb version?! Video (movies or recording) DEMANDS more space.

excalpius said,

Yeah, I'm sure iMovie is going to be AWESOME on the iPhone 4 with 32 gb of 720p video...8P

Give me a break. Where's the 64gb version?! Video (movies or recording) DEMANDS more space.

While I totally agree with you, I would NEVER use my iPhone as a video editor. I mean, I'd play with iMovie a lot on the iPhone, but just for fun. That said, a 64GB version would be welcome.

SputnikGamer said,

4 pixels in the same space as 1 on other phones.

"as 1 on THE OLD IPHONE", not other phones. That statistic doesn't hold for every single phone, you realize...

andrewbares said,

"as 1 on THE OLD IPHONE", not other phones. That statistic doesn't hold for every single phone, you realize...

post link to phone that has the same stats...

SputnikGamer said,

post link to phone that has the same stats...

lg arena (km900), 480*800 on a somewhat smaller screen than the iphone. My guess is they have the same dpi. And I could find more examples if you really want?

XerXis said,

lg arena (km900), 480*800 on a somewhat smaller screen than the iphone. My guess is they have the same dpi. And I could find more examples if you really want?


iPhone 4 326 pixels per square inch or 614,400 (960x640)
Droid incredible 384,000 pixels (480×800)

If you have ever looked at the Incredible's screen it's quite nice, and sharp. I can't wait to see the new iPhone's screen...

Mathiasdm said,
And as Steve Jobs said himself: it's just about the maximum detail the eye can see.

The eye can see a maximum of 300 ppi. The iPhone 4 is 326 ppi. So there's no advantage in making the resolution better even in 40 years. Meaning that… they can keep this resolution forever.

I knew we were approaching this day very soon, but not today with the iPhone.

PsykX said,
The eye can see a maximum of 300 ppi.
I think it's a little more than that - though it probably depends a bit of the display setup. I have an Xperia X1, which has a listed ppi of 312, but I can just about see the pixels.

eblkheart said,
10:44AM Seeing the NYT load has never been so exciting. "Scott, you have any ideas?" Someone yelled Verzion! Ha!

Thats awsome, if only Apple would listen

hotdog963al said,
This doesn't compel me to update my 3G.
Really? My 3G feels so slow in comparison to just the 3GS, and from the sounds of it this phone will be a lot faster than that. Add on top the new camera, an insanely dense screen... I'm sold, if I can get out of my contract with Rogers.

hotdog963al said,
This doesn't compel me to update my 3G.

This is what I've been waiting for. Better camera. My 3G is slow as hell on OS 4.0. I haven't tried an iPad yet but it looks blazing, so the iPhone is going to be blazing as well.

Simon said,
Really? My 3G feels so slow in comparison to just the 3GS, and from the sounds of it this phone will be a lot faster than that. Add on top the new camera, an insanely dense screen... I'm sold, if I can get out of my contract with Rogers.

Same here. This is hugely compelling especially after using my Dad's iPad which has the same A4 processor as iPhone 4. I'm not sure it could get much faster response wise.

Shame I'm not even half way through my 3GS contract

Can't wait until the video feed is up until I watch the whole keynote though

Drew said,
Shame I'm not even half way through my 3GS contract

Can't wait until the video feed is up until I watch the whole keynote though

Same here …
I'm not even 30% done with my contract

PsykX said,

Same here …
I'm not even 30% done with my contract

I think I'm about 5-6 months into my 3GS contract but will see what O2's upgrade early offer is then decide. But I think I'm goig to bite the bullet and get the iPhone 4

MicroSIM... grrrr! Why? Every single other phone in the world (well almost) uses regular SIM, you're just making it hard for people. If I want to switch from my current phone to the new iPhone, I DO NOT want to go through the trouble of getting a new sim card then spend ages trying to figure out how to get my contacts from my old sim card to the new one, etc.

Pointless Apple!

Your "regular SIM" is actually Mini-SIM. And to get your contacts in the new card, you just put the cards on a machine and wait a few seconds.

TCLN Ryster said,
MicroSIM... grrrr! Why? Every single other phone in the world (well almost) uses regular SIM, you're just making it hard for people. If I want to switch from my current phone to the new iPhone, I DO NOT want to go through the trouble of getting a new sim card then spend ages trying to figure out how to get my contacts from my old sim card to the new one, etc.

Pointless Apple!

Wouldn't make any difference contacts on the Apple arn't stored on the sim card

TCLN Ryster said,
MicroSIM... grrrr! Why? Every single other phone in the world (well almost) uses regular SIM, you're just making it hard for people. If I want to switch from my current phone to the new iPhone, I DO NOT want to go through the trouble of getting a new sim card then spend ages trying to figure out how to get my contacts from my old sim card to the new one, etc.

Pointless Apple!

You don't have to. Its relatively easy to cut a normal sim card down to MicroSim size. Yeah, its a bit annoying, but it can be done.

TCLN Ryster said,
MicroSIM... grrrr! Why? Every single other phone in the world (well almost) uses regular SIM, you're just making it hard for people. If I want to switch from my current phone to the new iPhone, I DO NOT want to go through the trouble of getting a new sim card then spend ages trying to figure out how to get my contacts from my old sim card to the new one, etc.

Pointless Apple!

Your contacts will be transferred to your new iPhone from iTunes.

There's absolutely no room for any component in the iPhone 4. So put a regular Sim Card in there, the iPhone becomes larger automatically.

Is it that much of a big deal for you to have a MicroSim Card? It's becoming a standard and once you buy an iPhone (or any smart phone…), you're not throwing it away, taking your sim card and putting it in another phone. You keep the phone for a long time.

andrewbares said,
"BREAKING NEWS"....... not really.

So a sneak peek of product that's gonna be sold in millions and millions of units is no breaking news for you. Okay…

Neobond said,
C'mon with pics already!

Nothing to see here, move along. Seriously, another iteration of the same old crap? I'm far from impressed. Maybe if they offered to buy back all of the 3GS phones and upgrade users to this for like $100 or less, I could see it being a viable "upgrade", but beyond that what's the point? The very few new features that it brings to the table just aren't worth the price.

vaximily said,

Nothing to see here, move along. Seriously, another iteration of the same old crap? I'm far from impressed. Maybe if they offered to buy back all of the 3GS phones and upgrade users to this for like $100 or less, I could see it being a viable "upgrade", but beyond that what's the point? The very few new features that it brings to the table just aren't worth the price.

I bet you're just a hit at parties.

vaximily said,

Nothing to see here, move along. Seriously, another iteration of the same old crap? I'm far from impressed. Maybe if they offered to buy back all of the 3GS phones and upgrade users to this for like $100 or less, I could see it being a viable "upgrade", but beyond that what's the point? The very few new features that it brings to the table just aren't worth the price.

Really? A screen with significantly higher resolution than the HTC Evo in the same size as the previous iPhone?

MarenLBC said,

I bet you're just a hit at parties.

lol! Everyone loves the party troll! They are cute with green or hot pink hair.

vaximily said,
Nothing to see here, move along. Seriously, another iteration of the same old crap? I'm far from impressed. Maybe if they offered to buy back all of the 3GS phones and upgrade users to this for like $100 or less, I could see it being a viable "upgrade", but beyond that what's the point? The very few new features that it brings to the table just aren't worth the price.

How do we say that in english… big talker, small do-er ?

I'm making you a president of a company right now. You can develop your own phone. Tell me what you put in it and what price you're selling it and give me the specifications of everything.

You can HARDLY, I mean HARDLY do better than the iPhone 4. Just try it.

PsykX said,

How do we say that in english… big talker, small do-er ?

I'm making you a president of a company right now. You can develop your own phone. Tell me what you put in it and what price you're selling it and give me the specifications of everything.

You can HARDLY, I mean HARDLY do better than the iPhone 4. Just try it.

Add Flash Compatibility
Add HD Camera and Video Mode 1080p
Wireless N
FM Tuner (Allow recording of FM Tuner) <- not based on data transfer or apps
Removable Battery
Fingerprint Locking
Voice Recognition Locking
Voice to text Messaging
FM transmission to allow for listening in any car
HD TV Tuning (Allow recording of HD TV) <- Not based on data transfer or apps but based on over the air transmission wherever you are located
Interactive with Nintendo Wii, specifically for titles like Wii Fit, to allow users to keep track of their progress, weight, etc.

Theres a lot more... some of these may already exist because I didn't read the full list of features for the Iphone but I know a lot of these do not.

nubs said,

Add Flash Compatibility
Add HD Camera and Video Mode 1080p
Wireless N
FM Tuner (Allow recording of FM Tuner) <- not based on data transfer or apps
Removable Battery
Fingerprint Locking
Voice Recognition Locking
Voice to text Messaging
FM transmission to allow for listening in any car
HD TV Tuning (Allow recording of HD TV) <- Not based on data transfer or apps but based on over the air transmission wherever you are located
Interactive with Nintendo Wii, specifically for titles like Wii Fit, to allow users to keep track of their progress, weight, etc.

Theres a lot more... some of these may already exist because I didn't read the full list of features for the Iphone but I know a lot of these do not.

+1 I agree

nubs said,

Add Flash Compatibility
Add HD Camera and Video Mode 1080p
Wireless N
FM Tuner (Allow recording of FM Tuner) <- not based on data transfer or apps
Removable Battery
Fingerprint Locking
Voice Recognition Locking
Voice to text Messaging
FM transmission to allow for listening in any car
HD TV Tuning (Allow recording of HD TV) <- Not based on data transfer or apps but based on over the air transmission wherever you are located
Interactive with Nintendo Wii, specifically for titles like Wii Fit, to allow users to keep track of their progress, weight, etc.

Theres a lot more... some of these may already exist because I didn't read the full list of features for the Iphone but I know a lot of these do not.

So you think you can do ALL of this? In just a year? + the rest of the upgrades Apple did? You've never worked in engineering. I am an engineer myself and I'm amazed by all the work Apple manages to do in just a year, I mean, how the hell do their teams produce these results so fast !?

By the way, all of this boosts the price by a lot, so you're never going to reach customers if you sell your phone $700 + the contract.

Last thing, a lot of the things you've said have to do with iOS 4. I was talking about the iPhone 4 really, not iOS.

Just admit it plainly that iPhone 4 + iOS 4 is actually a good combo. No more of this “oh, but it doesn't have this” crap. It can't have everything, but at least it got 95% of what's required, and that's more than other companies do. Google is also in the lead with Android, I can't deny that. But then again, they only develop software, they're not preoccupied by hardware.

PsykX said,

So you think you can do ALL of this? In just a year? + the rest of the upgrades Apple did? You've never worked in engineering. I am an engineer myself and I'm amazed by all the work Apple manages to do in just a year, I mean, how the hell do their teams produce these results so fast !?

By the way, all of this boosts the price by a lot, so you're never going to reach customers if you sell your phone $700 + the contract.

Last thing, a lot of the things you've said have to do with iOS 4. I was talking about the iPhone 4 really, not iOS.

Just admit it plainly that iPhone 4 + iOS 4 is actually a good combo. No more of this “oh, but it doesn't have this” crap. It can't have everything, but at least it got 95% of what's required, and that's more than other companies do. Google is also in the lead with Android, I can't deny that. But then again, they only develop software, they're not preoccupied by hardware.

Funny how these engineers take a year to introduce so many new features, that have been around for years on other phones. Come on, video calls? That's available for years and years, expensive, yes, but still already around for a very long time.

nubs said,

Add Flash Compatibility
Add HD Camera and Video Mode 1080p
Wireless N
FM Tuner (Allow recording of FM Tuner) <- not based on data transfer or apps
Removable Battery
Fingerprint Locking
Voice Recognition Locking
Voice to text Messaging
FM transmission to allow for listening in any car
HD TV Tuning (Allow recording of HD TV) <- Not based on data transfer or apps but based on over the air transmission wherever you are located
Interactive with Nintendo Wii, specifically for titles like Wii Fit, to allow users to keep track of their progress, weight, etc.

Theres a lot more... some of these may already exist because I didn't read the full list of features for the Iphone but I know a lot of these do not.

did you read the article wireless n was on the list ???????????

PsykX said,
So you think you can do ALL of this? In just a year? + the rest of the upgrades Apple did? You've never worked in engineering. I am an engineer myself and I'm amazed by all the work Apple manages to do in just a year, I mean, how the hell do their teams produce these results so fast !?

By the way, all of this boosts the price by a lot, so you're never going to reach customers if you sell your phone $700 + the contract.

Last thing, a lot of the things you've said have to do with iOS 4. I was talking about the iPhone 4 really, not iOS.

Just admit it plainly that iPhone 4 + iOS 4 is actually a good combo. No more of this “oh, but it doesn't have this” crap. It can't have everything, but at least it got 95% of what's required, and that's more than other companies do. Google is also in the lead with Android, I can't deny that. But then again, they only develop software, they're not preoccupied by hardware.

As has been stated over and over, even by the "professional reviewers", this is not a big step for Apple or the iPhone, it's just another iteration. Most of what nubs listed is available in other phones that are already available (Nexus One, HTC Evo, HTC Incredible), all of which sit at a lower price point, with a better operating system.

Just face it, you're a fan boy and you spew a bunch of crap based on speculation and personal opinion, not based on research and facts. Sorry, but we're not impressed.