Apple draws three times more customers from Samsung, than they from Apple

Survey reveals that Apple took 33% of customers from Samsung, while they took only 11%.

A new report has outlined the phones Apple and Samsung's customers move from, and then move on to. While buyers of Samsung phones are more likely to come from HTC, Motorola and even Nokia Phones, Blackberry users often move to iPhone. Apple are likely seeing many business users move to their platform from Blackberrys as they increase their standing within enterprise.

The detailed survey from Fortune and Consumer Intelligence Research Partners also highlights that Apple's customers are more likely to stick with the iPhone when upgrading, as 42% of buyers between July 2012 and June 2013 were previous iPhone owners. In contrast, while 43% of Samsung's customers had previously owned an Android phone, these were not necessarily made by Samsung.

From this report, it seems that Samsung devices may be a stepping stone towards the iPhone, as many move from what Fortune call: 'dumb phones' before 33% move on to the iPhone. Samsung drew 37% of buyers from 'feature phones' whereas Apple drew a lesser 26%.

Interestingly, the report also includes new demographics of iPhone and Samsung phone users. For example, Samsung phones are more popular for the 35-44 age bracket, in comparison to Apple who have more customers between 18-24 and 25-34. Also notable, is that those with a college degree, a masters, or a doctorate are more likely to turn to Apple for their smartphones.

While not revealing much about the companies' successes as a whole, this report has shown that Apple may be winning it's feud with Samsung, at least.

Source: Fortune | Customers walking into the new Apple Store Image courtesy of Shutterstock

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This doesn't explain why Samsung's smartphone market share worldwide is far larger than Apple's.

It also treats Samsung's devices as a single block, which results in fairly useless data. There is a huge diverse range of Samsung smartphones ranging from pretty crappy to considerably better than Apple's flagship (oh wait, only current) model.

I'd say your second question answers your first in a way. Apple's product has always targeted a somewhat niche market, it's pricey, and they usually only keep 1 - 2 types of iPhone available at any one time (exception being current model where IP4/4S/5 are all available), whereas Samsung has a huge range of products at any one time, from the cheapest smartphones with bare minimal features to their flagship Note2/S4.

Comparing Samsung and Apple at this high a level is useless to be honest, it's like saying Honda's market share is far larger than Ferrari's., they must be better. Would be nice to see a comparison on top end vs. top end (i.e. 5 vs S4)

james.faction said,
This doesn't explain why Samsung's smartphone market share worldwide is far larger than Apple's.

It also treats Samsung's devices as a single block, which results in fairly useless data. There is a huge diverse range of Samsung smartphones ranging from pretty crappy to considerably better than Apple's flagship (oh wait, only current) model.

This is a US study. The US market skews higher for iOS than virtually every other country in the world.

If you look at worldwide statistics, iOS only accounts for about 13-14% of smartphone sales. Android is about 79%. About half of that is Samsung alone.

Samsung gives more choices to their customers so it doesn't make sense to pick out any individual handset.
Apple reduces choices on purpose to create an image which is why there is only one new hardware configuration (iPhone 5).
Yet, if you like to compare them: iPhone 5 has sold ~55 million since September 21, 2012 [11 months]. Galaxy S4 has sold ~35 million since April 26, 2013 [5 months] (fastest selling smartphone).

Sacha said,
If you look at worldwide statistics, iOS only accounts for about 13-14% of smartphone sales. Android is about 79%. About half of that is Samsung alone.

Samsung gives more choices to their customers so it doesn't make sense to pick out any individual handset.
Apple reduces choices on purpose to create an image which is why there is only one new hardware configuration (iPhone 5).
Yet, if you like to compare them: iPhone 5 has sold ~55 million since September 21, 2012 [11 months]. Galaxy S4 has sold ~35 million since April 26, 2013 [5 months] (fastest selling smartphone).

Very beautiful post man. I think Apple was thinking they would sell double of the iPhone 5 vs what they sold of the 4S, and it didn't happen that way which is why they cut back on production. They would have to had taken a write off just like MS just did with the Surface.

Stormeh said,
I'd say your second question answers your first in a way. Apple's product has always targeted a somewhat niche market, it's pricey, and they usually only keep 1 - 2 types of iPhone available at any one time (exception being current model where IP4/4S/5 are all available), whereas Samsung has a huge range of products at any one time, from the cheapest smartphones with bare minimal features to their flagship Note2/S4.

Comparing Samsung and Apple at this high a level is useless to be honest, it's like saying Honda's market share is far larger than Ferrari's., they must be better. Would be nice to see a comparison on top end vs. top end (i.e. 5 vs S4)

What? Price is no longer an issue. IPhone doesn't cost more. Android phones so.

Let me take you back in time. When Verizon finally got the iPhone 4, VZW reported that more people for several months were still buying the HTC Thunderbolt which was actually a 4G phone while the iPhone 4 wasn't....it also cost more at 299.99 vs the iPhone for 199.99.

When Apple announced the iPhone 5, sales of the Galaxy S IIi went up as well and those of the Galaxy Note and Verzion mention that the Droid Maxx which along with the Note was 299.99, increased in sales and was outselling the iPhone 5. The 4S was also outselling the iPhone 5.

This is why Apple is not going to sell the iPhone 5 along with the 5C. Because they will be lowering the price on the 5 when the 5S is released and no one would buy the 5C because they could get a more premium looking iPhone vs buying the "plastic" one that is coming.

Apple's profits are going to fall. It would have been smarter to just sell the 5 cheaper, vs shoving it into a plastic case to make people think its cheaper. Carbon materials actually cost more money vs aluminum.

The only way Apple can make the 5C cheap is they have to use cameras from the 4S, the cheaper casing as far as manufacturing cost even if the materials themselves cost more, and to use a cheaper foundry for making the other components. I am sure TSMC is cheaper vs Samsung for making the SoC, but they wont be able to produce as many as Samsung or match their quality per how many they make.

Samsung is going to be close to 50% of the Android army before this year is out. At the same time Apple is falling on their faces and the 5Cheap isn't their saving grace.

TechieXP said,
What? Price is no longer an issue. IPhone doesn't cost more. Android phones so.

Samsung Galaxy S4 (16GB model) costs NZ$999, and the iPhone 6 (16GB) costs NZ$1029 so there is a price difference but the price different starts to get larger when you start moving into 24 month contracts where both are available at NZ$99 with the Samsung Galaxy S4 available on the $89 per month plan where as with the iPhone you'll need to get the NZ$119 per month plan. Over the life of the contract the iPhone 5 (16GB) will cost you an extra NZ$720. With that being said if you put the iPhone 5 on a 24 months interest free paying it back at around NZ$42 per month with an open contract NZ$29 plan it works out cheaper and the difference between the Samsung and iPhone decreases. The issue isn't so black and white as you claim.

As for your quip regarding declining profits (declining margins) - it was already talked about prior to Steve Jobs death; that Apple has had a good ride and the executive team gave the shareholders a heads up that margins will eventually come down in the future - thus we're at that point. Unless you've been living under a moderate sized bolder and never actually spent time outside the fandroid echo chamber you would know that declining margins was something on Apple's forecast for a long time - what has been surprising is how long the high margins have lasted and how long they've been able to stave off pricing pressures particularly in the area of contract sales to carriers.

As for using raw Android numbers - they mean nothing given that the vast majority are low cost off contract pre-paid unlocked phones from Alcatel, Huawei and ZTE. There are nothing wrong with these devices but lets not delude ourselves that they're in the same category as the Galaxy S4, iPhone 5 or HTC One.

Mr Nom Nom's said,

Samsung Galaxy S4 (16GB model) costs NZ$999, and the iPhone 6 (16GB) costs NZ$1029 so there is a price difference but the price different starts to get larger when you start moving into 24 month contracts where both are available at NZ$99 with the Samsung Galaxy S4 available on the $89 per month plan where as with the iPhone you'll need to get the NZ$119 per month plan. Over the life of the contract the iPhone 5 (16GB) will cost you an extra NZ$720. With that being said if you put the iPhone 5 on a 24 months interest free paying it back at around NZ$42 per month with an open contract NZ$29 plan it works out cheaper and the difference between the Samsung and iPhone decreases. The issue isn't so black and white as you claim.

As for your quip regarding declining profits (declining margins) - it was already talked about prior to Steve Jobs death; that Apple has had a good ride and the executive team gave the shareholders a heads up that margins will eventually come down in the future - thus we're at that point. Unless you've been living under a moderate sized bolder and never actually spent time outside the fandroid echo chamber you would know that declining margins was something on Apple's forecast for a long time - what has been surprising is how long the high margins have lasted and how long they've been able to stave off pricing pressures particularly in the area of contract sales to carriers.

As for using raw Android numbers - they mean nothing given that the vast majority are low cost off contract pre-paid unlocked phones from Alcatel, Huawei and ZTE. There are nothing wrong with these devices but lets not delude ourselves that they're in the same category as the Galaxy S4, iPhone 5 or HTC One.

I can only speak of price based on USA pricing. The GS4 and the iPhone 5 @ 16GB both cost $649 on retail here in the US. If I buy the GS4 directly from Samsung which it will be unlocked, I will pay $799 for that exact same device. On contract the ATT iPhone 5 services cost the same as they would for a GS4. Every country's tax structure is different/

As far as the diminishing return. The reality of fact is, Apple own business model dictates that at the beginning they stand to make high profits and they will fall as others get in the game and play it better. No I haven't been living under a "BOULDER" as you say. I was born in 69 and have been watching the markets for as long as I can remember.

In the case of the Mobile front, Apple allowed other players to beat them on the same simple premise that hurt them last time with the Mac. You simply aren't going to get far ahead with one model of everything when you compete in a market where you have 50 others doing the same. This isn't the 70's or 80's where when you get a good lead, it may take 5 years for your nearest competitor to catch up. Today those companies have more money, more tools at their disposal and 2 to 3 years is really all you have.

As far as the other devices? When it comes to marketshare, it includes ALL the products you sell in this category. pou can't dismiss cheap phones just because you want too. In 2012 in Q3, it was reported that Samsung SOLD 90M phones...45M of them were feature/flip phones and the other 45M were made up of 30M+ GS3's, 15M+ Galaxy Note I and II and the about 700M were lesser Galaxy branded devices. Which means when it was announce Samsung outsold Apple, it was flagship yearly released devices that won...not the cheap models.

Samsung has already sold over 30M GS4's. To make the point. Since the release the the iPhone 5, Apple has so 55M and Samsung has already sold close to 35M GS4's and its only been out for a few months. There is no illusion here. These are twisted percentages.

Apple is never going to win against a platform that is truly open and adopted by many. The claim of the fanclub that the reason Android is where it is because it is free, is just foolish non-sense. Because if that is so true, how do you explain why Windows is where it is and Linux is where it is. HMMMM!!!!I can only speak of price based on USA pricing. The GS4 and the iPhone 5 @ 16GB both cost $649 on retail here in the US. If I buy the GS4 directly from Samsung which it will be unlocked, I will pay $799 for that exact same device. On contract the ATT iPhone 5 services cost the same as they would for a GS4. Every country's tax structure is different/

As far as the diminishing return. The reality of fact is, Apple own business model dictates that at the beginning they stand to make high profits and they will fall as others get in the game and play it better. No I haven't been living under a "BOULDER" as you say. I was born in 69 and have been watching the markets for as long as I can remember.

In the case of the Mobile front, Apple allowed other players to beat them on the same simple premise that hurt them last time with the Mac. You simply aren't going to get far ahead with one model of everything when you compete in a market where you have 50 others doing the same. This isn't the 70's or 80's where when you get a good lead, it may take 5 years for your nearest competitor to catch up. Today those companies have more money, more tools at their disposal and 2 to 3 years is really all you have.

As far as the other devices? When it comes to marketshare, it includes ALL the products you sell in this category. pou can't dismiss cheap phones just because you want too. In 2012 in Q3, it was reported that Samsung SOLD 90M phones...45M of them were feature/flip phones and the other 45M were made up of 30M+ GS3's, 15M+ Galaxy Note I and II and the about 700M were lesser Galaxy branded devices. Which means when it was announce Samsung outsold Apple, it was flagship yearly released devices that won...not the cheap models.

Samsung has already sold over 30M GS4's. To make the point. Since the release the the iPhone 5, Apple has so 55M and Samsung has already sold close to 35M GS4's and its only been out for a few months. There is no illusion here. These are twisted percentages.

Apple is never going to win against a platform that is truly open and adopted by many. The claim of the fanclub that the reason Android is where it is because it is free, is just foolish non-sense. Because if that is so true, how do you explain why Windows is where it is and Linux is where it is. HMMMM!!!!

Mr Nom Nom's said,

Samsung Galaxy S4 (16GB model) costs NZ$999, and the iPhone 6 (16GB) costs NZ$1029 so there is a price difference but the price different starts to get larger when you start moving into 24 month contracts where both are available at NZ$99 with the Samsung Galaxy S4 available on the $89 per month plan where as with the iPhone you'll need to get the NZ$119 per month plan. Over the life of the contract the iPhone 5 (16GB) will cost you an extra NZ$720. With that being said if you put the iPhone 5 on a 24 months interest free paying it back at around NZ$42 per month with an open contract NZ$29 plan it works out cheaper and the difference between the Samsung and iPhone decreases. The issue isn't so black and white as you claim.

As for your quip regarding declining profits (declining margins) - it was already talked about prior to Steve Jobs death; that Apple has had a good ride and the executive team gave the shareholders a heads up that margins will eventually come down in the future - thus we're at that point. Unless you've been living under a moderate sized bolder and never actually spent time outside the fandroid echo chamber you would know that declining margins was something on Apple's forecast for a long time - what has been surprising is how long the high margins have lasted and how long they've been able to stave off pricing pressures particularly in the area of contract sales to carriers.

As for using raw Android numbers - they mean nothing given that the vast majority are low cost off contract pre-paid unlocked phones from Alcatel, Huawei and ZTE. There are nothing wrong with these devices but lets not delude ourselves that they're in the same category as the Galaxy S4, iPhone 5 or HTC One.

I can only speak of price based on USA pricing. The GS4 and the iPhone 5 @ 16GB both cost $649 on retail here in the US. If I buy the GS4 directly from Samsung which it will be unlocked, I will pay $799 for that exact same device. On contract the ATT iPhone 5 services cost the same as they would for a GS4. Every country's tax structure is different/

As far as the diminishing return. The reality of fact is, Apple own business model dictates that at the beginning they stand to make high profits and they will fall as others get in the game and play it better. No I haven't been living under a "BOULDER" as you say. I was born in 69 and have been watching the markets for as long as I can remember.

In the case of the Mobile front, Apple allowed other players to beat them on the same simple premise that hurt them last time with the Mac. You simply aren't going to get far ahead with one model of everything when you compete in a market where you have 50 others doing the same. This isn't the 70's or 80's where when you get a good lead, it may take 5 years for your nearest competitor to catch up. Today those companies have more money, more tools at their disposal and 2 to 3 years is really all you have.

As far as the other devices? When it comes to marketshare, it includes ALL the products you sell in this category. pou can't dismiss cheap phones just because you want too. In 2012 in Q3, it was reported that Samsung SOLD 90M phones...45M of them were feature/flip phones and the other 45M were made up of 30M+ GS3's, 15M+ Galaxy Note I and II and the about 700M were lesser Galaxy branded devices. Which means when it was announce Samsung outsold Apple, it was flagship yearly released devices that won...not the cheap models.

Samsung has already sold over 30M GS4's. To make the point. Since the release the the iPhone 5, Apple has so 55M and Samsung has already sold close to 35M GS4's and its only been out for a few months. There is no illusion here. These are twisted percentages.

Apple is never going to win against a platform that is truly open and adopted by many. The claim of the fanclub that the reason Android is where it is because it is free, is just foolish non-sense. Because if that is so true, how do you explain why Windows is where it is and Linux is where it is. HMMMM!!!!

Because what fool would leave a phome thatnis bigger...better spec'd...has better features for an overpriced festure phone. Of course just like Steve Jobs you spend a fact like its in Apple favor. Its not. Only an idiot would go from a real premium phone to a phone pretending to be.

stevan said,
Your logic is as bad as your grammar.
Especially since you can't refute the fact...right? So what I had some typos...was typing from my phone.

But see I like people like you, it just proves what we all say about people like you. When you can't refute the facts, you resort to becoming the grammer police and spelling "B" police and name calling. None of which have anything to do with the subject manner.

The reality of fact Is that if you leave a Samsung device...after having a device that is that great, the only reasonable substitute would be an iPhone. You go from one premium phone to another. With everyone else, the numbers show that people who left other brands, chose not only Android; but chose the Samsung brand.

In 2012 it was reported that nearly 100M people who stopped using features phones that 6x% went to Android. 3x% went to Apple and the rest went to others like Microsoft.

Once you have the best option, the Apple isn't going to fall far from the tree.
I don't expect Apple fans to get a Samsung device. All of a sudden they have this hate for "plastic" using their words, when Apple started off with it and is now going back.

In fact, everything iFans hate about Android is exactly what iOS and the rest of the iDevices are becoming.

Apple has such a hate for Samsung, that they are even robbing the look of Samsung devices on the OS level.

For every two customers who leaves Samsung to go to Apple, they are replaced by the ones who leaves Symbian, the one that leave Blackberry, the one that leaves Windows Phone and the one that leaves flip phones and the one that leaves feature phones.

Look at the sales number. Out of the 5 top phones sold, 3 are from Samsung while 2 are from Apple. What the writer mentions above doesn't even matter for 2 reasons.

1 - To get iOS on a phone, iPhone is the only option.
2 - Samsung who actually has other competition with other Android OEM's is 40%+ in sales and they are selling Nokia from the 90's numbers in phones. They shipped 70M phones in Q1 of 2013, where I am better at least 80% of them are all sold. We know 20M+ were the Galaxy S 4.

My logic is bad...really? Why? Because I actually used common sense that shows what the fanboi writer is saying is nothing more than tickle you fanboi ears garbage?

The writer sounds like Apple when they spin off percentages. Like my all time favorite. "We reach 10% of our customer base with OS X in far less time than it took our biggest rival Microsoft to reach that same 10%". OK...though that may be true, 10% of MS' customer base is nearly 3 times the size of your TOTAL base.

Saying Apple pulls more customers from Samsung vs the other way around doesn't matter. Because fact is, a iPhone users may buy an Droid or LG device and then buy a Samsung the next time around.

i'll probobly end up buying an iphone 6(5s?) if it has enough. The android phones are just so, blah. i mean the only design ive really liked is the HTC one, but android again... might be hard to switch to. never tried it. In the back of my head i just think android is just too ,uch for me calling and texting

auziez said,
i'll probobly end up buying an iphone 6(5s?) if it has enough. The android phones are just so, blah. i mean the only design ive really liked is the HTC one, but android again... might be hard to switch to. never tried it. In the back of my head i just think android is just too ,uch for me calling and texting

If you only are calling and texting, a Doro smartphone will be enough for you sir.

But samsung commercials have been saying that young and hip people prefer their phones. Haha what a slap in the face.

"Samsung phones are more popular for the 35-44 age bracket, in comparison to Apple who have more customers between 18-24 and 25-34. Also notable, is that those with a college degree, a masters, or a doctorate are more likely to turn to Apple for their smartphones."

Just had to quote my favorite part...

AWilliams87 said,
"Samsung phones are more popular for the 35-44 age bracket, in comparison to Apple who have more customers between 18-24 and 25-34. Also notable, is that those with a college degree, a masters, or a doctorate are more likely to turn to Apple for their smartphones."

Just had to quote my favorite part...


This surprised me, actually. What I've observed is older people using iPhones and younger kids going for Android devices, saying the iPhone isn't the cool thing anymore. I don't think this survey covered a very large geographical area.

Its all about the Ecosystem. Apple has a much better and more complete eco system from product line to software integration. Samsung and Google/Android are getting there.

wv@gt said,
Its all about the Ecosystem. Apple has a much better and more complete eco system from product line to software integration. Samsung and Google/Android are getting there.

You get gouged for accessories and get forced into iTunes to manage it all. I like iTunes...I use it as my music player on my PC but it's not fit for all the other purposes apple have tacked on to it over the years.

And if by eco-system you mean "apps"...well....I guess with apple it's all about the quantity and not the quality.

Thats the thing though, we here on Neowin will view it differently than the average consumer. The average consumer just wants to buy everything from one company, and keep things together, makes it much simpler. Microsoft is even trying this now as well. Google's eco system is different.

In my experience, the average consumer wants whatever is cheapest. We saw that in Apple's last financial report where people are buying the old hardware and their margins are dropping. It seems Apple still hasn't learned that lesson from the Mac years and losing out to Windows on commodity hardware.

Trollercoaster said,

I guess with apple it's all about the quantity and not the quality.

No it isn't. Apple has a huge focus on quality. The App Store on iOS has both quality and quantity though. Comparable apps are of better quality than those on Android, and there are more (useful and first-party) apps than on WP. In my opinion it'd be very silly to believe that Apple is about quantity and not about quality.

Trollercoaster said,

You get gouged for accessories and get forced into iTunes to manage it all. I like iTunes...I use it as my music player on my PC but it's not fit for all the other purposes apple have tacked on to it over the years.

And if by eco-system you mean "apps"...well....I guess with apple it's all about the quantity and not the quality.

As apposed to Samsung who can't even be bothered updating Kies so that it works properly with OS X 10.8 (Or Windows 8 for that matter - it was a buggy hang proned piece of crap based on my experience) or implementing MTP support according to the specification so then third party libraries such as libmtp can interact with the phone without regarding hacks and work arounds. Honestly, I sometimes wonder whether these Samsung fandroids have actually stepped back and realised just how bad their logic is.

Mr Nom Nom's said,

As apposed to Samsung who can't even be bothered updating Kies so that it works properly with OS X 10.8 (Or Windows 8 for that matter - it was a buggy hang proned piece of crap based on my experience) or implementing MTP support according to the specification so then third party libraries such as libmtp can interact with the phone without regarding hacks and work arounds. Honestly, I sometimes wonder whether these Samsung fandroids have actually stepped back and realised just how bad their logic is.

Implying I have a Samsung device or even use Android.

I went into the apple store the other day and compared my Galaxy s4 against the iphone 5. The iphone 5 felt really cheap for the price and the screen seemed really small & squashed. I really do hope apple pull off the next two phones well in order to make their products feel worthy of the price. We all know apple is just a brand that people like too acquire and have as a statement. This is just my opinion. I was just extremely shocked about the quality of the iphone 5 in comparison with the s4 which i got for cheaper than what it would have cost to have the iphone 5 on contract.

Arron said,
I went into the apple store the other day and compared my Galaxy s4 against the iphone 5. The iphone 5 felt really cheap for the price...

Fair enough. Considering the price difference is minor (at least where I am), I'd be surprised if the majority felt the same way about a low quality plastic S4 vs. an aluminium iPhone 5. In fact, a lot of reviewers have stated that the S4 has a cheap, plasticky feel.

Arron said,
I went into the apple store the other day and compared my Galaxy s4 against the iphone 5. The iphone 5 felt really cheap for the price and the screen seemed really small & squashed. I really do hope apple pull off the next two phones well in order to make their products feel worthy of the price. We all know apple is just a brand that people like too acquire and have as a statement. This is just my opinion. I was just extremely shocked about the quality of the iphone 5 in comparison with the s4 which i got for cheaper than what it would have cost to have the iphone 5 on contract.

Apple provides no swapable battery or physical keyboard. Two key elements to enterprise phones. It's the same problem that's always doomed the Mac in the enterprise. The lack of diverse hardware means you can't depend on filling your needs with that platform. You also have no negotiation power with a single hardware source.

His point was actually pretty clear...
Perhaps you fail to understand that the enterprise doesn't care about removable batteries or physical keyboards. If they did, then why is Blackberry dead?

Astra.Xtreme said,
His point was actually pretty clear...
Perhaps you fail to understand that the enterprise doesn't care about removable batteries or physical keyboards. If they did, then why is Blackberry dead?

Nope, that is not what was said at all. The only thing was said was some childish condescending jerk comment. And yes "the enterprise" does want flexible hardware and multiple sources. Us grownups actually do this stuff for a living. If you're incapable of discussing things like an adult, just keep your mouth shut.

Why are you so hostile? Calm down...
If you want to have a discussion like adults, then you of anybody here needs to settle down and stop running your mouth.

And you've yet to answer my question, which is exactly the point that volodoscope was making... I'm assuming you were alive in the 90s, right?

Spicoli said,

Nope, that is not what was said at all. The only thing was said was some childish condescending jerk comment. And yes "the enterprise" does want flexible hardware and multiple sources. Us grownups actually do this stuff for a living. If you're incapable of discussing things like an adult, just keep your mouth shut.

Actually they don't, and the example of blackberry fits the picture perfectly. There is a huge number of fortune 500 companies that are embracing apple hardware, whether it's the iPhones or the iPads. It's very hard not to reply to your claims with anger when you spew such garbage and untrue claims.

stevan said,

Actually they don't, and the example of blackberry fits the picture perfectly. There is a huge number of fortune 500 companies that are embracing apple hardware, whether it's the iPhones or the iPads. It's very hard not to reply to your claims with anger when you spew such garbage and untrue claims.

Exactly. And it's not so much even just Apple hardware. I still see plenty of Android and WP phones around. Blackberry is basically non-existent, and for good reason. Nobody cares about physical keyboards unless they are stuck in the 90s ways. Regardless, a full touchscreen has huge advantages over it.

And I don't see why anybody would make a huge fuss over not having a replaceable battery, especially in the enterprise. There's no way somebody would be away from a charger for days and require constant use of a phone. And if it was an issue, there are plenty of battery extender cases that would greatly help. This sort of thing just isn't a major problem.

Yes, people that travel all the time want swapable batteries. People that want accurate and fast messaging want keyboards. They don't want their client messages ending up on a funny autocorrect site. The people doing the purchasing want multi-source. Sorry guys, the fantasy world of people don't want anything that Apple doesn't make is just that, fanboy fantasy. No level of being arrogant jerks will change that. I guess I just can't expect a lot of business smart people posting a forum during the day and even less chance on an article that articles Apple nerds.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Exactly. And it's not so much even just Apple hardware. I still see plenty of Android and WP phones around. Blackberry is basically non-existent, and for good reason. Nobody cares about physical keyboards unless they are stuck in the 90s ways. Regardless, a full touchscreen has huge advantages over it.

And I don't see why anybody would make a huge fuss over not having a replaceable battery, especially in the enterprise. There's no way somebody would be away from a charger for days and require constant use of a phone. And if it was an issue, there are plenty of battery extender cases that would greatly help. This sort of thing just isn't a major problem.

I have friends that use Android phones, specifically the S3... and he carries with him 3 separate batteries. He even numbered them so he knows which one is which, and he also is anal about running processes on his phone. This means that it's impossible to reach him via Skype, FB Messenger, Kik or any other messenger app. He closes every app and turns off wifi/bluetooth at all times. Apparently his battery life is ****. But hey, he's got a removable battery!

Spicoli said,
Yes, people that travel all the time want swapable batteries. People that want accurate and fast messaging want keyboards. They don't want their client messages ending up on a funny autocorrect site. The people doing the purchasing want multi-source. Sorry guys, the fantasy world of people don't want anything that Apple doesn't make is just that, fanboy fantasy. No level of being arrogant jerks will change that. I guess I just can't expect a lot of business smart people posting a forum during the day and even less chance on an article that articles Apple nerds.

This hardly has anything to do with Apple, so enough with your childish hostility...

There is this brilliant invention called a vehicle charger that millions of people use while they travel. Honestly, if somebody that constantly travels carries spare batteries instead of chargers, they are an idiot. Trains have plugs, planes have plugs, vehicles have plugs and/or cigarette lighter ports, etc. Battery life should never be a major issue for anybody with half a brain.

If this was a major issue, we'd hear about it constantly. But we don't...
This is just you complaining like a child for the sake of complaining. We know you're angry about this subject for some reason, so if you can prove us wrong, put up or shut up...

Spicoli said,
Yes, people that travel all the time want swapable batteries. People that want accurate and fast messaging want keyboards. They don't want their client messages ending up on a funny autocorrect site. The people doing the purchasing want multi-source. Sorry guys, the fantasy world of people don't want anything that Apple doesn't make is just that, fanboy fantasy. No level of being arrogant jerks will change that. I guess I just can't expect a lot of business smart people posting a forum during the day and even less chance on an article that articles Apple nerds.

So you completely ignored my point about the high adoption rate of apple products amongst Fortune 500 companies or the decline of Blackberry?

And then you go and call other people ignorant jerks?

Perhaps you should quit the name calling and learn how to read. You're the one living in a fantasy world.

iPhone is a great device for the average consumer.. Samsung has been trying to win people over with gimmicks.. I love my S4 and will never use another Apple device.. but they need to revamp their marketing..

Article says differently?

While buyers of Samsung phones are more likely to come from HTC, Motorola and even Nokia Phones, Blackberry users often move to iPhone.

yea, i went from blackberry to a gs3... and i could see people going from a 'dumb phone' to an iphone, because the screens are about the same size. i could never see anyone going from a big screen phone like a lot of the new phones to a tiny screen phone like the iphone tho

Buttus said,
yea, i went from blackberry to a gs3... and i could see people going from a 'dumb phone' to an iphone, because the screens are about the same size. i could never see anyone going from a big screen phone like a lot of the new phones to a tiny screen phone like the iphone tho

I agree. I use a Lumia 920 and an iPhone 4S. I always find myself missing the Lumia's beautiful screen when I use my iPhone for awhile, but once I get in the motion of things, it's serviceable.