Apple says many users "bought an Android phone by mistake"

Apple CEO Tim Cook spent a moment during his keynote at the company's Worldwide Developer Conference today comparing user adoption of OS X Mavericks with that of Windows 8, mocking Microsoft's OS for only managing to convince 14% of the total Windows user base to the 8.x versions. But Windows wasn't the only operating system that he spent time berating.

After sharing some pretty impressive sales figures for the company's iOS devices, Cook said that around 130 million customers have purchased their first Apple device in the last twelve months. That's certainly a figure to be proud of, whichever way you slice it, but rather than focus on that positive statistic, he decided instead to berate the competition. 

"Many of these customers were switchers from Android," he said. "They had bought an Android phone by mistake, and then had sought a better experience and a better life." He added that almost half of those who have purchased an iPhone in China since December have switched from Android. However, it is worth noting that iPhones were not actually available in China until December, when pre-orders began, so it is unclear how much of the device's popularity there is simply down to the novelty factor, rather than a burning desire to flee from Android.

Not content with leaving it at that, Cook went on to note that 89% of the installed user base has already upgraded to the most recent full release of Apple's mobile operating system, iOS 7, before adding that this was "in stark contrast to Android". Just 9% of Android users, he said, have so far upgraded to the latest version, 4.4 KitKat: "Many users are running an OS from four years ago. That's like ancient history."

With a graph to illustrate his next point, he went to say that many Android users "can't get security updates", which he noted was problematic "because Android dominates the mobile malware market." The graph indicated that 99% of mobile malware is focused on Google's mobile OS. 

Cook then ended his focus on Android with a final quote from Adrian Kingsley-Hughes of ZDNet: "Android fragmentation [is] turning devices into a toxic hellstew of vulnerabilities." 

There's nothing quite like a bit of negative marketing. 

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HAH! I managed in some way to come across this thread.... And to read all the CRAP all of you have posted was, at first funny, then bemusing, followed by boring, and ends with me saying hey I gotta life! Why don't you folks get one! These are gadgets period... Not some frigging sacred icons. Oh by the way, to the one dude who seemed to buy every 'hot' phone released...there's a reason you never get laid......

What has any of what you said have to do with the article?

Tim Cook insults the intelligence of 80% of the smartphone-buying public who didn't buy an iPhone, makes himself look arrogant, vain and well, just an ###### really. Unsurprising people call him an ###### for saying such a stupid thing.

Don't know how this connects with you telling ppl to "get a life" in the slightest.

I can see this has devolved into your typical Apple/Android flamewar, which I will not get involved in. However, I can make a few observations here:

1. The iPhone does not have storage upgrades available. There is no microSD slot to insert a memory card to provide additional storage the way nearly all Android devices do (save the Nexus phones). What you get is whatever memory you bought at the time, and if you fill up the device, well... that's it.

2. Android devices do not all run the latest version of the operating system, but this is more the fault of the various phone manufacturers. Apple does provide one OS for their devices, although... and this is important... if you have an older device you cannot upgrade the OS to the newer versions. In this case, Apple makes a conscious decision to abandon a number of users and devices that, while they still work, won't be able to run the newest apps.

3. Apple in the corporate environment is not a solution, but then again neither is Android. I can state that in the case of Apple, their iPhones will *never* be approved for purchase with the company I work for, as they couldn't be made to meet company security standards. Androids have issues, but they *do* have the ability to meet the security standards enough to be approved. But the smartphone that is recommended remains a Blackberry, as that is the only smartphone that the company views as 100% secure.

4. As for my personal device, I went with Android. Mostly because it was inexpensive (compared to the iPhone or the Samsung devices) and being on T-Mobile, well, they were the last to go with iPhones (which actually was a good thing, considering how well the company has turned around.) As for the phone, I have a 32GB microSD along with the internal memory, and can always swap out the microSD for a larger card if I needed to, something I can't do with an iPhone.

[I do have an iPod Touch, which is essentially an iPhone without the phone part. Since it's 4th generation, it can't run iOS 7 and certainly won't be running iOS8. And the original iPod Touch 1st Gen can't run anything beyond iOS 3... it just sits in a cradle and works as a streaming audio device for radio stations.]

then had sought a better experience and a better life

What a goon. Since when is the mobile device you choose going to lead to a better life? What a nimrod.

Um .... no.


And nothing like saying "Our users are stupid. They didn't even know what they were buying."

That's great PR.

This news article should have come with free rash cream. For all the butt hurt.

Apple CEO says something bad about Android and Positive about iOS. The shock!

I find it ironic that the people that go on about blind loyalty and sheep, are the only people talking. Where are these people you claim are blind and sheep and defend Apple no matter what? The only sheep I see are the Android users that cant wait to jump on an article to point out how superior their choice is and how stupid people are for buying something they don't approve of.

Joswin said,
This news article should have come with free rash cream. For all the butt hurt.

Apple CEO says something bad about Android and Positive about iOS. The shock!

I find it ironic that the people that go on about blind loyalty and sheep, are the only people talking. Where are these people you claim are blind and sheep and defend Apple no matter what? The only sheep I see are the Android users that cant wait to jump on an article to point out how superior their choice is and how stupid people are for buying something they don't approve of.

don't worry, its just all the cool kids... they will grow out of this stage... most of them anyways

TBF i brought an android phone (well hand me down) and love it, my friends on iPhones are all starting to swap to HTC and Samsung's now. I guess everyone other than apple fanboys are making a mistake heh.

Vester said,
TBF i brought an android phone (well hand me down) and love it, my friends on iPhones are all starting to swap to HTC and Samsung's now. I guess everyone other than apple fanboys are making a mistake heh.

everyone has different likes/dislikes. I have had/have (3) iphone 3gs's, (3) iphone 4's, (2) iphone 4s's, (1) iphone 5s, (1) samsung 2sx, (3) neuxs 4's, (1) HTC 8x, (1) samsung ativ s, (2) Samsung s3's, (3) note 2's, and a couple more that i can't recall (and picking up an HTC X+ in a couple hours) . Each time, i always seem to find myself with a iPhone in my hand. reason being it does what I want, and does it better then Android or Windows. when i use an iPhone, there are ONLY 1 thing i wish it had that android has... widgets. that's all. When i use an android, there are MANY things i wish it had that IOS has. Too many too list. when i use a windows phone , well, don't even get me started with what that is missing....

What I am trying to say is people just use what they like OR use what they are used to. The many people that prefer android are people that have never owned an iPhone. ALL the people i know that have never used an iPhone, and then used an iPhone more then a day (a week for good measure) end up sticking with the iPhone. Some kids want to be cool so they buy an android, but for those that don't care about what their friends think, they should just buy what they like the best. I have yet to meet what this board claims exists.. the mythical apple fanboy.. but i live in Canada and perhaps we don't have them. I also don't know any Android fanboys either.

Edited by Deleted Bye, Jun 3 2014, 3:50pm :

rippleman said,

when i use a windows phone , well, don't even get me started with what that is missing....

What ??? Are you kidding me ?
What is missing on WP8.1 that iOS have ? I would be happy to hear because I am not aware.
What I see on the other side, is that iOS 8, when it will be released, will bring many WP (or Android) functions already in WP, and for some, since more than 2 years :
- Swipe keyboard : WordFlow keyboard and clever word suggestions is already in WP
- Camera app that adds selective focus / exposure : I think that Nokia apps for camera are light years above anything Apple brought on the table, there is even no comparison
- Photo hub with improved modification : same here with the huge advance of WP and Nokia app
- iCloud drive : OneDrive does the same thing and offer (when using WP) twice the storage. Oh, it exists since 2 years in W8 and WP8…
- iMessage allowing to send video : already there in Skype
- Family sharing : windows Salon anyone ?
- Widget : Live Tiles (without the need for additional step)
- Battery usage by application : same as Battery sense (although iOS does not have Data sense …)
- Shazam integration : already since years in Bing search in WP

Now, as far as I know,
* the Map application is still missing like Nokia map application (Here Map) the public transportation itinary, multi-modal navigation, record of where y ou park your car, display of point of interest in surroundings with evaluation and augmented reality, offline storage of map...
* iOS does not offer all the Nokia camera and photo apps which are unmatched.
* iOS does not offer Bing application (both present on WP8 and W8 with synchronization) which replace in 6 applications what 20 on iOS cannot do).
* iOS still does not integrate all the different account information in one single contact sheet (from Google, Hotmail, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Yahoo, iCloud...) and giving you the opportunity to see from there the publication on the social network.
* Live Tiles is still a much better inmplementation that widgets : it exists for all applications, it is consistent in term of design, you can choose 3 sizes (keep it minimal like standard iOS icon with just a number to warn you of something new) or expanded to medium/big size to show content, it is directly available without the need to pull the notification pane.

And most important, the hardware lags so much behind. Let's compare the hypothetical not-yet-release iPhone 6 to a 18 months old WP device, the Lumia 1020 :
- similar screen size
- same resolution : slightly lower on iPhone
- 2Go of RAM : still not sure the new iPhone will incorporate 2Go though
- camera : Lumia has a 4 times bigger sensor, stabilized, with xenon flash
- NFC : iPhone could maybe incorporate finally NFC, still not clear
- Same button placement on the side for easy access
- wireless charging on the Lumia

So the "old" WP flagship is still superior as the not-yet-released Apple flagship.
And regarding the CPU/GPU, there is still no game that does not work on WP and for the speed, all the trial I made and video you can see are showing than an iPhone 5S is not working quicker than an old Lumia (except benchmark that does not translate in real practical advantage).
You can take a Lumia 930 which will be released before the iPhone 6 and which is again taking the lead.

Sorry but this is really hard to justify any advantage of the iPhone currently (it may change in the future as Apple is trying to catch-up).

Jean-Baptiste Labelle said,

What ??? Are you kidding me ?

no, not kidding. I had 2 windows phones in the last year. HTC 8X and just a month ago had a Samsung Ativ S. I do not wish to offend but for me, it was like using Android 2.2 or IOS 4. Its just missing all most all conveniences of Jelly Bean and IOS7. Even apps are stripped down so far to the point of being a hassle to use. I am speaking of 8 and NOT 8.1. I know 8.1 is going to finally catch up to the competition but that doesn't include the apps them selves. There could be the possibility that the apps I use in particular just as extremely weak on Windows Phone 8.

to address some of your points:

Swipe keyboard : I personally hate swipe so I couldn't care less.
Photo hub : I didn't like it.
OneDrive : Don't use it, don't care, same with icloud
iMessage : there is NO comparison to ANY product for best voice and video clarity.
Family sharing : Don't know about this.
Widget : Prefer Android Widgets
Battery usage by application : Glad this is finally coming in IOS 8... long overdue
Shazam integration : who cares?
the Map: google still the best but apple is sufficent, the phones i had were weak on the UI
offline storage for map: does not affact me, I have data...
iOS does not offer all the Nokia camera and photo apps: crutches and useless, just give me a good picture
iOS does not offer Bing application : this is GOOD thing
iOS still does not integrate all the different account information : this is a good thing
Live Tiles is still a much better implementation that widgets : not for me, i would prefer widgets.
hardware lags so much behind: If things were 1:1 sure, but they aren't.
2Go of RAM : does not matter in the very least, end speed matters, not how you attain it.
camera : i don't care about the fancy words, just give me results.
NFC : I guess this is cool for some, but not for me
Same button placement on the side for easy access: persons opinion and personal tastes
wireless charging on the Lumia: i guess this is cool, but I don't care personally.

[quote=rippleman said,]
no, not kidding. I had 2 windows phones in the last year. HTC 8X and just a month ago had a Samsung Ativ S. I do not wish to offend but for me, it was like using Android 2.2 or IOS 4. Its just missing all most all conveniences of Jelly Bean and IOS7. Even apps are stripped down so far to the point of being a hassle to use. I am speaking of 8 and NOT 8.1. I know 8.1 is going to finally catch up to the competition but that doesn't include the apps them selves. There could be the possibility that the apps I use in particular just as extremely weak on Windows Phone 8.
[/quote]

Well, it does not really make sense to speak of WP8 as all new devices are sold with WP8.1.
The current OS from WP (WP8.1) has all the functionnalities + some compared to iOS.

[quote=rippleman said,]
Swipe keyboard : I personally hate swipe so I couldn't care less.
[/quote]
Does not change the fact that iOS is playing catch-up

[quote=rippleman said,]
Photo hub : I didn't like it.
[/quote]
What does it mean ? It is presented in chronological order exactly the same way iOS present the photos. What is the difference ?

[quote=rippleman said,]
OneDrive : Don't use it, don't care, same with icloud
[/quote]
Fair enough but OneDrive is one the huge advantage WP had on iOS, HUGE. For a lot of people, this is key that iOS, after 2 years came back to level of Microsoft.

[quote=rippleman said,]
iMessage : there is NO comparison to ANY product for best voice and video clarity.
[/quote]
I think you are mistaking with FaceTime. FaceTime and iMessage are only working on iOS devices. This is therefore completely useless for me. Skype is available on any platform. No discussion here. A messaging service that you cannot use to communicate with others is useless.

[quote=rippleman said,]
Family sharing : Don't know about this.
[/quote]
Great functionality that iOS will be able at last to enjoy 2 years after WP … but only within Apple devices users while Salon in WP works on any device / plateform (just need a Microsoft account). Use it all the time with my family iOS and Android devices.

[quote=rippleman said,]
Widget : Prefer Android Widgets
[/quote]
No factual reason for that. The user experience is disjointed because each widget is different, not all the app have widget and you do not have the same choice as the 3 sizes for each app on WP.
You can turn it the way you want, factually, Live Tiles is better than widget.

[quote=rippleman said,]
Battery usage by application : Glad this is finally coming in IOS 8... long overdue
[/quote]
Your message was to say that WP was missing so much functionalities. You have not been able to tell what is missing on WP that is existing on iOS. This is again an example of function present in WP that just come to iOS.

[quote=rippleman said,]
Shazam integration : who cares?
[/quote]
Same here, again, something in WP since 2 years coming at last to iOS.

[quote=rippleman said,]
the Map: google still the best but apple is sufficent, the phones i had were weak on the UI
offline storage for map: does not affact me, I have data...
[/quote]
Google Map is nice. Offline data is great. Some people are leaving outside of US. In Europe, you have only data in your country, leaving your country like me going from Switzerland to France or Germany or Luxembourg, or Austria or Italy and I cannot have navigation anymore. Offline data is a key function.
Also, Apple Map is missing public transportation itinerary, intermodal navigation, simulation of favorite travel time including traffic info, save your parking location, augmented reality….
WP Nokia map solutions is miles ahead Apple Map.

[quote=rippleman said,]
iOS does not offer all the Nokia camera and photo apps: crutches and useless, just give me a good picture
[/quote]
That is the point. Nokia is the best in term of quality of photo around there. No iOS or Samsung devices can touch the Lumia ICON, 930, 1520 quality.
And if you take the 1020, it is on a league of its own with a sensor 4 times bigger, stabilization, and a xenon flash.

[quote=rippleman said,]
iOS does not offer Bing application : this is GOOD thing
[/quote]
Agree, Bing applications is great.
As far as Bing, as a search engine is concern, iOS is using Bing since years now and OS X is switching to Bing with Yosemite.

[quote=rippleman said,]
iOS still does not integrate all the different account information : this is a good thing
[/quote]
How come ? How is it good to have some kind of connection in the general settings in iOS for Facebook and Twitter but not for Hotmail, Google, LinkedIn, Yahoo… ?
When I check one of my contact, I see all the information coming from all the account, the pseudo Skype, the birthday coming from Facebook, the image coming from Facebook or LinkedIn or Twitter, … all the different information in ONE single sheet. This is unparallel.

[quote=rippleman said,]
Live Tiles is still a much better implementation that widgets : not for me, i would prefer widgets.
[/quote]
False. See my points above. Factually is Live Tiles better.

[quote=rippleman said,]
hardware lags so much behind: If things were 1:1 sure, but they aren't.
2Go of RAM : does not matter in the very least, end speed matters, not how you attain it.
camera : i don't care about the fancy words, just give me results.
NFC : I guess this is cool for some, but not for me
Same button placement on the side for easy access: persons opinion and personal tastes
wireless charging on the Lumia: i guess this is cool, but I don't care personally.[/quote]
[/quote]

Okay, so you said that the hardware from Apple is lagging behind while only mentioning things that Lumia devices have and iPhone don't, right ?
For the 1Go of RAM on iPhone, as you said, end speed matters. But as a matter of fact, this is why the iPad Air of my wife can not load keep in memory more than 3 Safari tabs without requiring to reload a 4th one. So while this is instant on WP device, you need to wait for reloading on iOS devices because of lack of RAM.
For the camera, if you pretend to say that iPhone camera is up to the standard of Lumia flagship, you are in complete delusion my friend and it proves you don't know what y ou are speaking about. They are tons of review and comparison everywhere that show that.
Bottom line, as I said, in practical usage (what matters, no fancy benchmark or words), WP flagships are better than the not-yet-release iPhone 6.

Although it was presented in an arrogant way... it's not a lie. It's the reason a lot of people are ditching android and google needs to take note of it. I wouldn't buy another android based phone because I don't want to a two year old device that is obsolete.

Hey, all this silver-haired man needs to whisper is "Iphone-7", and the internet community and sheep will all start going weak at the knees. Websites will open, images will be created, fake videos posted, there's no end to the chaos that usually ensues.
The following is strong with this one.

On the other hand, I like my Galaxy S3, so kindly P the F off Jobs wannabe. I don't want your product.

surreyguy said,
Hey, all this silver-haired man needs to whisper is "Iphone-7", and the internet community and sheep
The following is strong with this one.

you had a typo? you meant S6? or Note4?

Well, I disagree, I'm pretty sure the consumers who go in specifically for an ios, android or even windows device nowadays knows exactly what they're buying, therefore, their android phone purchase wasn't a mistake. (I for one haven't heard anyone calling out Samsung ipad in a while now, but I can only speak for myself)

This is not a religious argument, but one of function. I have been using Android for over 3 years, and have seen and used several versions on my phone, tablet and even hacked it onto an old netbook just because. I have had numerous problems with crashes with apps, the OS lags after being used for a month. Heck, there have been times that it won't even answer a call after time, requiring a factory reset. Other nuisance items are bloatware from Verizon that you can't really delete, Google just uploads content to their cloud without authorization from the user.

In contrast, I purchased an iPhone 5 for my wife. I have not had the software and OS issues seen on my droid. There is better visibility of the security choices for various apps that get installed, and generally better quality apps in the store. No problems with lag and crashes, and it is able to be handled by my wife who is generally non-technical.

Droid devices might be cheaper and may have a massive adoption base, but that does not mean it is necessarily better at what it does. Android has a very fragmented past with versioning, and I have found it more work to keep it operational. IOS devices are less work to keep going, and the ecosystem seem to work better overall with Apple devices. Having control of the hardware, OS and software just seems to yield a higher quality experience overall.

Again... this is not religion, just observation and experience.

9% of Android devices on Kitkat is still more devices on KitKat than on iOS 6/7 .. stop talking BS and spinning numbers Apple, maybe it's time to start delivering these earth shattering new devices/products you have been talking about for the past two years now. Your nonsense and incapability to deliver are starting to show.

not to mention that most if not all ios features are stolen idea's from the jailbreak community.

Hey apple can't you come up with your own idea's?
I say samsung should use the jailbreak community to prove that some features apple says samsung stole was really the jailbreak communitys idea's that apple stole.

mynotecan said,
not to mention that most if not all ios features are stolen idea's from the jailbreak community.

Hey apple can't you come up with your own idea's?
I say samsung should use the jailbreak community to prove that some features apple says samsung stole was really the jailbreak communitys idea's that apple stole.

everything today is a copy of a copy of a copy from someone else's design or idea.

Run out of real features to talk about in the speech. Slag opposition. Apple is now a normal, nothing to write home about tech company like the rest.

Apple have you ever done your research on BLUETOOTH?

I took a video of a thief leaving the scene of the crime said I would bluetooth the video but the employee(s) only had iPhones. so I had to wait till the cops came and had to go into the station to give the video.

if the employee(s) had an android, WinPhone, Blackberry or even an old phone that had bluetooth I could have sent video via bluetooth without any app or jailbreak app.

apple you suck. your phones suck, you steal idea's, when others steal idea's from you you cry like a little baby. only reason why ppl buy your over priced junk is for bragging rights "look my phone is an apple its expansive and that's why it a good phone"

you can download any filetype on an android without any download app. can you with an iphone?.

apple get over yourself and stfu.

Why couldn't you use email, Google Drive, OneDrive, MEGA, box or many of the other hundreds of file hosting services?

There's a reason why Apple don't use bluetooth for data transfers. They understand they need to build hardware that will still work in the future and not just now. Apple uses Wifi Direct for an obvious reason. If I had to choose between slow bluetooth or fast Wifi Direct, I know which one I'd choose ;)

Edited by meowers, Jun 3 2014, 12:32am :

meowers said,
Why couldn't you use email, Google Drive, OneDrive, MEGA, box or many of the other hundreds of file hosting services?

because I was not going to use up my data as im in Canada home of the no unlimited data carrier's and the business had no wifi.

Dear Tim Cook,
if you buy an iPhone you're spending a lot of money on purpose, and probably for a fashion reason than others.

I am NOT going back to apple now for sure. I love android, and I wanted to give apple a chance on the next round too... but if they start the round with such arrogant and ignorant remarks, screw them!

Android never needs to be outdated! One word.... CyanogenMod

Maybe that's two words? And I don't mean to plug! but, it is rather good... :-)

I am probably one of the few on here, but I have to agree with him. Most of us on here on this site are power users/ smarter than the average joe when it comes to tech. Both of my parents bought a cheap android phone from T-Mobile a few months ago, running Android 2.3 I think. The phones do just work, but as far as the phone quality, its pretty sub par, laggy and a lot of apps do not run on that os anymore. I am about to set them up with the new Lumia 630 once its out.

Now with that said, if Apple is going to try to steer users away from the cheap Android phones, they need a cheaper phone option. Many of those people that bought an out dated Android device did so just because of price. This is where Microsoft is stepping up their game

I can't fault apple for wanting the whole pie. Without Jobs and ATT agreement we'd likely still be pressing nine 4 times for a Z. There is a limit. The iPhone released a LONG time ago and their shares were higher than Exxon for a time. Its about time apple retook the crown for innovation for something other than creative ways to say a small percentage of computer users adopted free software before the majority of computer users paid for terrible software.

There is nothing Apple can say that would change my mind about them. I don't want inside their walled garden. They have been stagnant and now suggesting Android purchasers made a mistake is ludicrous.
The mistake would be switching from Android to iOS. Sure Android may have trouble with updates, but that is often the carriers in the way than anything else.
But glad I use a Windows Phone either way.

Haha. Wow.

I just know there'd be someone who takes Tim Cook's tongue-in-cheek comments literally.
Didn't think it would be Neowin stepping up to rile up its user-base for pageviews.

Granted, it was a joke that wasn't particularly funny, even at the time, but it definitely wasn't something to be taken seriously.

Seriously Neowin, I thought you were better than this.

he's right I only bought an android phone cause windows phone 7 wasn't released and at the time I needed a phone.

Sorry I can't TOTALLY agree with Tim Cook here but I absolutely LOVE the facial expressions next to the graphs. Hilarious.

The first one reminds me of E.T. the Extra Terrestrial
The second one is just missing a /facepalm.
The third one looks like he's a doctor telling you that you've got a STD.

Agree Exynos. Android is far secure than iOS. The only "real" problem with malware, are in pirated/modded apps, downloaded from some sites.

About OS versions... All histories have two side. iOS users have (in the best of cases) one "big" update at year for system update. In 365, iOS users dont see any new enhance, only some minor bugs... Google through Google Play can update about 95% all Android Devices: a) Google Play Services add constantly newer features and enhancement to ALL OF THEM, no need a "big update" to make great changes

b) Most Google Apps are constantly updates through Play Store. Examples?? iOS SpringBoard?? Google Launcher, updated through Play Store. Siri?? Google Search/Now Updated through Play Store. Gmail, Hangout, Maps, Camera, Calendar, Drive, Keep, Voice Synthesizer... almost all Native Apps can be updated from Play Update to everyone, and yon dont need a "big" update form them

c) Most of all "new" features that version to version Apple add, Android users have them a lot of time ago.

So... who have a old OS in reality??

Hey Tim, my current phone is a Sony Xperia Z1 on Kitkat,, previously a Nokia Lumia 800 and before that an iPhone 3GS. I'm happy where I currently am - thanks for the concern.

I love my Samsung Galaxy S4, one year old already - OS is fully upto date on 4.4 (KitKat) - no malware, viruses, trojans, but then again I am not a moron unlike some Apple iPhone users.

I did a class recently on email on Outlook, web, BYOD and two people could not even type on a QWERTY keyboard, but they had iPhone 5's...

Simon Fowkes said,
I love my Samsung Galaxy S4, one year old already - OS is fully upto date on 4.4 (KitKat) - no malware, viruses, trojans, but then again I am not a moron unlike some Apple iPhone users.

I did a class recently on email on Outlook, web, BYOD and two people could not even type on a QWERTY keyboard, but they had iPhone 5's...

So someone's ability to type is related to... a phone choice and intelligence? I fail to see the connection (and the intelligence) in the comparison.

Simon Fowkes said,
I love my Samsung Galaxy S4, one year old already - OS is fully upto date on 4.4 (KitKat)

You have a popular flagship phone from a major manufacturer. Of course it's updated.

However... not all Android phones are like that. Many (most?) of those phones will never see an update.

The largest share of Android versions is Jellybean 4.1 which initially came out almost 2 years ago.

You are part of the 8.5% who have the latest version of Android. The rest are not so lucky.

When people are running an older version of Android... they're not choosing to... it's just because their phone has lost support (or never had it at all)

I'm glad you have an fully up to date phone... but that does not describe Android as a whole.

Even if you don't have an up to date Android phone you can use CyanogenMod

I've had an Galaxy s2 for the last 4 years (until I dropped in the toilet!) it was on 4.4.2 Android and ran perfectly as well - try doing that on your iPhone 3 :-)

Edited by Simon Fowkes, Jun 3 2014, 5:04pm :

rippleman said,

So someone's ability to type is related to... a phone choice and intelligence? I fail to see the connection (and the intelligence) in the comparison.

You would because you are actually intelligent to type on a qwerty keyboard in the first place and therefore take it for granted... :-)

Hmmm, this time around it doesn't seem like Apple is presenting from a position of strength, but rather fear... time will tell. Things surely aren't the way they used to be. Everyone has a shot right now.

The fact that Tim Cook did put up that chart about how much Malware there is on Android says me and many others that Tim Cook simply don't know crap about Android's security or Android at all.

Tim Cook Should read this and realize that Android is FAAAAAAR FAR more secure than he thinks it is: http://lifehacker.com/how-secu...s-android-really-1446328680

And those layers of security Android have might even be much more secure than iOS is. Does iOS have such layers to secure the OS like Android does?

Basicly, he's talking right out of his ass as he always do when it comes to Android. When he puts out such claims, it just makes him to look REALLY bad.

Exynos said,

Basicly, he's talking right out of his ass as he always do when it comes to Android. When he puts out such claims, it just makes him to look REALLY bad.

Makes apple look bad to. Never thought I'd say this, but I want Jobs back.

Exynos said,
The fact that Tim Cook did put up that chart about how much Malware there is on Android says me and many others that Tim Cook simply don't know crap about Android's security or Android at all.

Tim Cook Should read this and realize that Android is FAAAAAAR FAR more secure than he thinks it is: http://lifehacker.com/how-secu...s-android-really-1446328680

And those layers of security Android have might even be much more secure than iOS is. Does iOS have such layers to secure the OS like Android does?

Basicly, he's talking right out of his ass as he always do when it comes to Android. When he puts out such claims, it just makes him to look REALLY bad.

How is android secure when this can happen to any consumer. pctechmag.com/2014/06/malware-authors-targeting-android-phones/

This is all about consumers. Most consumers just download apps and go. I know plenty of people that work for att and Verizon where customers walk in everyday subscribed to something or etc. But when I ask what phones its never ios or windows phone. Always android.

My mother got a s5 and a day later had a "virus". All she did was dowblaod bejewled but the copy she download from the play store was apparently bad. Do you but expect the average consumer to make the same mistake? I do. And its out our (techies) job to educate our family and friends. The people who build the software / hardware should. I don't see any of the android manufacturers doing that

Exynos said,
.

If someone had the name "iphonewhatever" and said something positive about apple, any comment they made would obviously slanted to apple and could be interpreted as apple fan boy. Is this a reverse case?

Sikh said,

How is android secure when this can happen to any consumer. pctechmag.com/2014/06/malware-authors-targeting-android-phones/

This is all about consumers. Most consumers just download apps and go. I know plenty of people that work for att and Verizon where customers walk in everyday subscribed to something or etc. But when I ask what phones its never ios or windows phone. Always android.

My mother got a s5 and a day later had a "virus". All she did was dowblaod bejewled but the copy she download from the play store was apparently bad. Do you but expect the average consumer to make the same mistake? I do. And its out our (techies) job to educate our family and friends. The people who build the software / hardware should. I don't see any of the android manufacturers doing that


LOL, she had a virus?

Proof or it didn't happen. And guess what?

99.99% of all Android users doesn't install apps outside of Play Store, so they are basicly safe as only 0.0001% of the apps that goes via Play Store manages to bring in malwares. If that's not secure, then i don't know. So if you install bad apps outside of Play Store, it's not Android's problem, but your own fault.

And how often do you hear it in the media or whatever that someone have got some malwares on Android?

Never.

That's what the article you are linking to forgets about. They are only writing about the scare-histories from peoples who install bad apps outside of Play Store.

rippleman said,

If someone had the name "iphonewhatever" and said something positive about apple, any comment they made would obviously slanted to apple and could be interpreted as apple fan boy. Is this a reverse case?

Ty

Exynos said,

That's what the article you are linking to forgets about. They are only writing about the scare-histories from peoples who install bad apps outside of Play Store.

Brandt described a recent encounter he had with a malicious app that found its way onto his Android phone. “I had downloaded an unrelated app a few hours earlier. [Out of nowhere], I get a text message on the phone thanking me for subscribing [to a $4-a-month service].” The malware had managed to sign Brandt up for the subscription from his phone without requiring any permissions.

Funny how he never mentioned where he downloaded the app from. Or how people are getting infected and where they are getting infected from.

Exynos said,
The fact that Tim Cook did put up that chart about how much Malware there is on Android says me and many others that Tim Cook simply don't know crap about Android's security or Android at all.

Tim Cook Should read this and realize that Android is FAAAAAAR FAR more secure than he thinks it is: http://lifehacker.com/how-secu...s-android-really-1446328680

And those layers of security Android have might even be much more secure than iOS is. Does iOS have such layers to secure the OS like Android does?

Basicly, he's talking right out of his ass as he always do when it comes to Android. When he puts out such claims, it just makes him to look REALLY bad.

WOW. I read that page you linked and anyone who reads that and thinks it's meaningful is straight up a moron. You are stupid if you read it and it makes you feel secure.

For example, lets say you want to not get a girl pregnant. So you go buy a Condom.

You've got multiple layers of protections here. The Condom manufacturer put it in a box, quality stamped it, and sealed it. (App developer) The guy at the store verified the seal was in place so he puts the box on the shelf. (Google Play Store security check) You (the user) looked at the package, and hey it's good it's still sealed. (Unkown sources warning) You buy it at the register (install confirmation) drive it home, take it out of the box and the inner package is secure (Verify apps consent, warning stage). Now your in the dark and open the package and put it on, but since its dark you don't notice the hole in the package (Runtime Security Checks) and get your girl pregnant because, yea holes in the Condoms don't work.(Sandbox & PERMISSIONS which you can't pick and choose, I'd have chosen the Condom without the hole thanks please)

techbeck said,

Funny how he never mentioned where he downloaded the app from. Or how people are getting infected and where they are getting infected from.

My wife has gotten 4 viruses/malware/whatever on her Samsung Galaxy Tab 2. I know for a FACT she got them all from the google play store. I know this because I have the setting turned off for external installs, and she refuses to even go to the settings menu for anything. I even have to set up new Wi-Fi when we go places and she brings it.

Never said the Play Store didnt have it. Just said it was a very small percentage. And I was commenting on a link that was posted anyway.

For the total of one year, which many were removed, so the active amount of malware in the Play store is a low percentage.

Considering there are over 1 million apps in the app store, 11k malware = .011 percent and 42k malware = .042 percent. Very low no matter how you look at it.

Wow, miss lead data and now all out untrue accusations. I imagine some mistook an Android for an ios device, but it wasn't a ton and how it goes with any product.

Just a bunch of excuses since apple hasn't done much and to busy in the court room. Said it before jobs died, but apple lost its way without him.

And majority of malware is from outside the play store.

AAnyway, get a clue Cook

Edited by techbeck, Jun 2 2014, 10:55pm :

techbeck said,
Wow, miss lead data and now all out untrue accusations. I imagine some mistook an Android for an ios device, but it wasn't a ton and how it goes with any product.

Just a bunch of excuses since apple hasn't done much and to busy in the court room. Said it before jobs died, but apple lost its way without him.

And majority of malware is from outside the play store.

AAnyway, get a clue Cook

Malware is any program which runs unauthorized code, usually alongside authorized code.

3/4s of the apps I have ever looked at on the google play store have 1 star reviews that say something like,

DO NOT INSTALL, ALL THIS DOES IS PUSH ADS

I install them anyway because they get me free diamonds for my stupid time waster games. and because it is an Android device and who cares, it's all malware.

Now, this next bit, I'm gonna say is a problem all phones share. But until I can pick and choose what permissions I give to what portions of the program, it's not secure.

Why does your weather app need access to my contact list, camera, microphone, AND my external SD card? That makes no sense.

I actually look at the permissions on everything I download or update. I've got about 12 items I can't uninstall (thanks Samsung) and refuse to update because they don't need access to the things they want access to.

If you have that big a problem, then maybe you and your wife need to switch to a more controlled and locked down platform. WP has some good low end Nokias if budget is a problem.

Edited by techbeck, Jun 3 2014, 2:25am :

NastySasquatch said,
...Now, this next bit, I'm gonna say is a problem all phones share. But until I can pick and choose what permissions I give to what portions of the program, it's not secure.
...
(trimmed to the part I'm replying to)
It sounds like your problem is you're running Samsung Touchwiz instead of "real" Android. It's Android-like, in the way that Linux is UNIX-like, but it's missing a lot of the core features that make Android great, such as choosing permissions on a per app basis for *any* application.

Don't be angry with the operating system, be mad at your hardware manufacturer for giving you a crippled version of the operating system that has features you want, that are in the stock version of the OS, taken away from you.

I'd suggest giving AOSP/CM (or anything AOSP/CM based) a try, you'd be surprised how much the same hardware will impress you when you aren't putting software restrictions on it, or at least root your phone and install XPrivacy to add per app permissions to Touchwiz phones.

Who really gives a ###### which is better. Everyone will have different reasons for liking any of the top 3. What matters is whether you can actually find a phone, with an eco system that works for your needs. Once you have that, happy days.

Regarding the article, if you do have to repeatedly bash your opponents, its can be construed as a sign that you don't have much else to talk about your own product.

rfirth said,
He's right, but this is classless.

This is the leader of a cult speaking on a podium for the cult followers. That's why he can say whatever he likes and the sheep will just nod their heads and agree with their supreme leader.

Love the way Apple keep using personally skewed stats for OS versions. If they showed the upgrade details for Nexus devices, I'd wager the majority of those are running the newest versions of Android as well

Javik said,
Love the way Apple keep using personally skewed stats for OS versions. If they showed the upgrade details for Nexus devices, I'd wager the majority of those are running the newest versions of Android as well

I'm sure those figures include Nexus users and would be misleading to look solely at one device rather than everything the OS is on.

Javik said,
Love the way Apple keep using personally skewed stats for OS versions. If they showed the upgrade details for Nexus devices, I'd wager the majority of those are running the newest versions of Android as well

The data is for all the devices running android. He made that clear.

Evidently you both missed the point I'm making. Apple controls the entire experience, Google doesn't on non Nexus devices, so the data on stats is irrelevant. What's more noteworthy is that often when older devices are upgraded to iOS they do so minus some features whereas when you get an Android upgrade you get the full ticket.

Javik said,
Evidently you both missed the point I'm making. Apple controls the entire experience, Google doesn't on non Nexus devices, so the data on stats is irrelevant. What's more noteworthy is that often when older devices are upgraded to iOS they do so minus some features whereas when you get an Android upgrade you get the full ticket.

Apparently, you don't understand what fragmentation means. But, thank you for that wordy paragraph explanation that the rest of us only needed 1 word for.

NastySasquatch said,
Apparently, you don't understand what fragmentation means. But, thank you for that wordy paragraph explanation that the rest of us only needed 1 word for.

And apparently Apple doesn't understand the importance of Choice and lack of a Walled Garden. It's why they are losing in sales to Android.

It's the same reason they ultimately lost the Mac vs PC war and almost went bankrupt.

They seem to be doing better this round, but ultimately I think they are headed back into the margins. Anyone who thinks they can't fall that far needs to look at Palm and BB (or at Apple - again, they almost didn't make it past the last war).

i bought an "expensive" iPhone by mistake..... My mind had stopped working when I bought it. Now I know, it was the WORST decision of my life. I am looking for Android in future.

Also, who argue about security; Practically, nothing is secure, not even your BOA account or TD account.

Simon Fowkes said,
yeah coz with MS Windows there are a lot less apps, simple maths!

Grammatically it is correct but as an American it annoys my brain when you pluralize math :/

Kalint said,

Grammatically it is correct but as an American it annoys my brain when you pluralize math :/

math is the abbreviation of mathematics. So is already a plural word. adding an S to the end is not correct in any situation, since it can't show ownership of something being an idea.

Totally agree with Tim Cook on this. Malware on Android is a BIG issue and seems there is no way to fix it. Windows Phone has more secure apps for sure.

false. If you install apps from insecure sources, is only your problem. I've never had a single malware issue on Android. more about, Apple have a lot of more security breach along years, you can see all CVE if you want.

Suitcko said,
false. If you install apps from insecure sources, is only your problem. I've never had a single malware issue on Android. more about, Apple have a lot of more security breach along years, you can see all CVE if you want.

Agreed. If people would actually do their research, they would see most malware comes from outside the play store

Yep. And I know a lot of people who have Android phones and I cant think of a case yet where they had malware... That isnt proof of it but I dont think its very wide spread...

Oh, malware exists. It just isnt as big a problem for most than it is lead on to be.
My parents and grandparents have been using Androids for a couple years now and download apps no problem. I regularly check their phones and so far, not one problem. Only problem they had was my mom got that crap HTC Incredible 4g when I told her not to and she had to suffer with it for over a year.

techbeck said,
Oh, malware exists. It just isnt as big a problem for most than it is lead on to be.
My parents and grandparents have been using Androids for a couple years now and download apps no problem. I regularly check their phones and so far, not one problem. Only problem they had was my mom got that crap HTC Incredible 4g when I told her not to and she had to suffer with it for over a year.

Oh, I agree. Malware exists =). I was just commenting that its rare for a phone to have it.

Suitcko said,
false. If you install apps from insecure sources, is only your problem. I've never had a single malware issue on Android. more about, Apple have a lot of more security breach along years, you can see all CVE if you want.

The only time I've had to restore any Android device to factory settings was after downloading a crap app from the Google Play Store directly. My own fault for wanting those free diamonds from tapjoy yes?

Hey Tim, I bought my Galaxy Note 3 while knowing exactly what I was doing. I'm enjoying both your iPhone and an Android phone.

yeah and you could say that about older IOS devices too

When a company (or even a politician) start focusing more on the negative of there rivals, it usually means that they are unhappy with their own performance - so obvious really...

Simon Fowkes said,
yeah and you could say that about older IOS devices too

When a company (or even a politician) start focusing more on the negative of there rivals, it usually means that they are unhappy with their own performance - so obvious really...


I've said it before and I will say it again, Tim Cook looks desperate to me so therefore it doesn't surprise me that he makes these desperate comments. Quite sad really.

If you were to watch the actual keynote the phrases like '... A better life' etc we're said VERY tongue-in-cheek. But then there's always some readers of this site who just take things at face value because they have the inability to do otherwise.

The info there is right though. Android fragmentation is a problem. If you buy an android device you have no guarantee whatsoever you'll get any further updates. It is a perfectly valid point. As is that Android has the lions share of malware. It simply does.

DeltaXray said,

The info there is right though. Android fragmentation is a problem. If you buy an android device you have no guarantee whatsoever you'll get any further updates. It is a perfectly valid point. As is that Android has the lions share of malware. It simply does.

Actually, depends on the device.

DeltaXray said,
If you were to watch the actual keynote the phrases like '... A better life' etc we're said VERY tongue-in-cheek. But then there's always some readers of this site who just take things at face value because they have the inability to do otherwise.

The info there is right though. Android fragmentation is a problem. If you buy an android device you have no guarantee whatsoever you'll get any further updates. It is a perfectly valid point. As is that Android has the lions share of malware. It simply does.

At least Android doesnt have ransom ware problems ;). (tongue in cheek comment)

But actually, it does depend on the device. And, the user. People can get unlock-friendly devices and then install custom ROMs they want on their devices. And custom ROMs have some great features on them.

Those statistics are so skewed, it's not even funny now. People like to poke at how android is unsecure and wide open, but those people have failed to acknowledge how closed up iOS was until iOS 8 was revealed (and it's still not very open).

I like how they said that Android is behind iOS, yet they just announced 3rd party keyboard support, which was something Android had for a very long time.

Not really. Only reason I bought a nexus is because I'm guaranteed updates. GB is still a big part of android. ICS is next. Not many people are on KitKat.

link6155 said,

I like how they said that Android is behind iOS, yet they just announced 3rd party keyboard support, which was something Android had for a very long time.

And several other features (like widgets) that have been around on even the 4 year old Android operating systems he kept referring to.

it's not even android bashing, he basically called 10's of millions of people stupid! and for a person in his position to do that is completely wrong. and i think it's funny that while he's saying how insecure android is, it was getting approved by the DOD as being safe to use.

pretty muc the same as his fail with the pie chart comparison between osx mav and win 8, windows 8 outnumbers all of osx, win 8 was a paid upgrade and mav was a free upgrade, this guy is a total douchebag.

Buttus said,
it's not even android bashing, he basically called 10's of millions of people stupid! and for a person in his position to do that is completely wrong. and i think it's funny that while he's saying how insecure android is, it was getting approved by the DOD as being safe to use.

Of course the DOD wants you to use the easier to hack phone.

korupt_one said,
pretty muc the same as his fail with the pie chart comparison between osx mav and win 8, windows 8 outnumbers all of osx, win 8 was a paid upgrade and mav was a free upgrade, this guy is a total douchebag.

Exactly. I love how his pie charts for iOS adoption and Android adoption were the same size. Suggesting the same install base. How about we put those charts into their correct sizes respective to their total install bases?

To clarify, it is not mainstream Android that is getting DOD approval, there is a specific build with insecure portions either fixed or removed entirely. The general release has known vulnerabilities that cause it to fail DOD validation.

NastySasquatch said,

Of course the DOD wants you to use the easier to hack phone.

DOD approved phones will not be available to the general public. The approved phones are specifically made for DOD employees on an as needed basis. Prior to the Android DOD cert, it was Blackberry that held DOD certification on certain devices. It was big news when Obama had to give up his insecure iPhone for a Blackberry because the iPhone could not pass DOD cert.

DrOmango said,
Hes right about some android flaws but that wont change my stance sticking to them :)

All OS's have flaws or weaknesses. The fact is that when your OS happens to be the one with the most market share, that is the OS that gets targeted. Is been said so many times but iBoys don't want to acknowledge that. If iOS were the dominant OS, it would be getting targeted to no end. There have been many times where vulnerabilities have been found in iOS and in OSX but just don't get targeted as much because the people that exploit an OS focus on the OS that gives them the greatest number of hits. In the mobile space it's Android and in the desktop space it's Windows.

You talk like no one uses iOS, it's not like Windows vs OS X. It's not because of market share, it's just because iOS is more secure than Android...

Sly_Ripper said,
You talk like no one uses iOS, it's not like Windows vs OS X. It's not because of market share, it's just because iOS is more secure than Android...

No...it's exactly scaled to market share. It's not b/c iOS is invulnrable. It's b/c why target 20% of market share if you can target 70%? (Not to be taken for exact current numbers, just making a point).

I agree to your comment Ozood.

I'm VERY happy with my LG Motion phone.

For sure I won't buy an apple product ever. I dislike THEM ALL.

EZRecovery said,
I agree to your comment Ozood.

I'm VERY happy with my LG Motion phone.

For sure I won't buy an apple product ever. I dislike THEM ALL.

The fact that you claim you will never buy an Apple product only goes to show that the reason you won't buy one is not because of a lack of quality in the product, but rather just some deluded sense of hatred built up from stuff you've only read on the Internet.

You are just as much of a sheep as the Apple fanboys and its people like you that kill the competition in the technology market. As a consumer you should have no loyalty to anyone except quality products.

/rant

It shows no such thing. I know a lot of people that won't buy Apple on principle, for any or all of the following reasons:

1. "Walled garden" approach goes against the open computing model
2. Going outside of Apple's "walled garden" can be difficult
3. Lots of programs including games aren't available for Macs
4. Needing to use Apple software (such as iTunes) to use Apple products
5. Just don't like Apple's huge profit margins, which means it costs Apple far less than it charges to make a product

Will this moron ever shut up? How the hell does he know?

"had sought a better experience and a better life"

What a total douchey thing to say. Can you imagine someone at Microsoft saying this? The tech blogs would have a meltdown!

But dont worry, the iShills will be here any minute to lie to us about how Apple people dont engage in low-brow comments.

The frickin CEO of the cult does it right on stage!

Ozood said,
Will this moron ever shut up? How the hell does he know?

"had sought a better experience and a better life"

What a total douchey thing to say. Can you imagine someone at Microsoft saying this? The tech blogs would have a meltdown!

But dont worry, the iShills will be here any minute to lie to us about how Apple people dont engage in low-brow comments.

The frickin CEO of the cult does it right on stage!

The average user thinks every tablet is an iPad just like they probably think every phone is an iPhone

He has a good point about Android as a whole, because of the Carriers, leaves people years behind on old versions.

When you see Goggle or MS's CEOs go up on stage and make such arrogant comments like people bought an iPhone or a Mac by mistake or that they then got their products because they wanted a better life, then get beck to us.

Ozood said,
When you see Goggle or MS's CEOs go up on stage and make such arrogant comments like people bought an iPhone or a Mac by mistake or that they then got their products because they wanted a better life, then get beck to us.

Wahhhhhhh

warwagon said,

The average user thinks every tablet is an iPad just like they probably think every phone is an iPhone

The thing is that they dont. Unless the majority of tablet and smartphone users (the number that dont use Apple products) are all stupid and keep buying products CLEARLY marked with no Apple logo or not called iPad on the box at the store.

Ozood said,
Will this moron ever shut up? How the hell does he know?

"had sought a better experience and a better life"

What a total douchey thing to say. Can you imagine someone at Microsoft saying this? The tech blogs would have a meltdown!

But dont worry, the iShills will be here any minute to lie to us about how Apple people dont engage in low-brow comments.

The frickin CEO of the cult does it right on stage!

Take a chill pill man, I can sense the veins popping out the side of your head. I can't believe things like this get some people so upset. You really have deep issues if the "Internet" makes you mad.

So you dont want to say "Sounds great, Tim. I cant wait for your next comment" or some other butt-kissing post?

Wouldn't hold out for you to actually call this guy out on stupid stuff like this?

Because basic logic would prove that the hundreds of millions of people that use android are not using it because they "made a mistake". That is just obtuse on it's face, and only a fool would even try to legitimize such a stupid remark.

warwagon said,

The average user thinks every tablet is an iPad just like they probably think every phone is an iPhone

No, they don't.

elenarie said,

No, they don't.

Yes they do. Average people have no idea about tech and always think everything is either ipad or iphone. He's 100% right in saying that.

Ozood said,
Because basic logic would prove that the hundreds of millions of people that use android are not using it because they "made a mistake". That is just obtuse on it's face, and only a fool would even try to legitimize such a stupid remark.
you are taking it too literally. Did you get mad when Honda claimed in its commerical about their CRV that "It can be anything you want it to be."? Did you try to turn it into anything else?

rippleman said,
you are taking it too literally
This guy posts on emotions. It really is not that serious. He should look at YouTube videos on other CEO's who have done the same exact thing.

Ozood said,
Because basic logic would prove that the hundreds of millions of people that use android are not using it because they "made a mistake". That is just obtuse on it's face, and only a fool would even try to legitimize such a stupid remark.

I can easily say that the millions that purchased an iProduct made a mistake also. Whoah...that really was easy to do.

HoochieMamma said,

Yes they do. Average people have no idea about tech and always think everything is either ipad or iphone. He's 100% right in saying that.

Thanks. In that regard someone literally could buy an Android phone or tablet by mistake. I had one customer that kept going on and on and on and on about this iPad she won. Turns out it was a cheap Colby $70 Android Tablet.

He's right thought. How many arsehats at Telco stores convince users to get Android phones because they're biased, get better kickbacks, and have absolutely no regard for the learning curve or device usage of the user?

I can't think of very many non-nerds I know who don't feel jaded about being tricked into buying an Android phone.

HoochieMamma said,

Yes they do. Average people have no idea about tech and always think everything is either ipad or iphone. He's 100% right in saying that.


Every time I hear someone say they know what the average person knows and doesn't know is either a mind reader or hasn't got a clue themselves. What proof or statistic or any evidence do you have that supports your claim? This has got to be one of the most overused pieces of propaganda ever.

HoochieMamma said,

Yes they do. Average people have no idea about tech and always think everything is either ipad or iphone. He's 100% right in saying that.

Then I've never met one.

warwagon said,

Thanks. In that regard someone literally could buy an Android phone or tablet by mistake. I had one customer that kept going on and on and on and on about this iPad she won. Turns out it was a cheap Colby $70 Android Tablet.


If that story is true, I would imagine that most people regard ipads as nothing but cheap $70 toys. That's if I believe that story. So is that what you are trying to tell us, that ipads are cheap toys?

Sicarius123 said,
He's right thought. How many arsehats at Telco stores convince users to get Android phones because they're biased, get better kickbacks, and have absolutely no regard for the learning curve or device usage of the user?

I can't think of very many non-nerds I know who don't feel jaded about being tricked into buying an Android phone.


Once again , I have to ask, what is your proof of that happening? I read these idiotic stories and not one time do I read what their proof is. Do you really think that smart people actually believe those concocted stories? Come on then, show us the proof.

Gergel7077 said,

Once again , I have to ask, what is your proof of that happening? I read these idiotic stories and not one time do I read what their proof is. Do you really think that smart people actually believe those concocted stories? Come on then, show us the proof.
People I actually know? Sorry that I haven't performed youtube interviews on my friends, families and acquaintances for the benefit of android fanboys in denial. Every time I go into a Telco store they overwhelmingly push Android, and I know from friends who work in the stores Android phones are generally where they get the kickbacks.

Where is your proof that mom and pop or tech illiterate users are overwhelmingly happy with Android?

JHBrown said,
Take a chill pill man, I can sense the veins popping out the side of your head. I can't believe things like this get some people so upset. You really have deep issues if the "Internet" makes you mad.


The irony of you of all people posting that is mind blowing.

Sicarius123 said,
People I actually know? Sorry that I haven't performed youtube interviews on my friends, families and acquaintances for the benefit of android fanboys in denial. Every time I go into a Telco store they overwhelmingly push Android, and I know from friends who work in the stores Android phones are generally where they get the kickbacks.

Where is your proof that mom and pop or tech illiterate users are overwhelmingly happy with Android?


Yeah ok, same story. People that you know that represents one one-thousands of a percentage point compared to the rest of the world.
How do I know that people are overwhelmingly happy with Android you ask? Simple, the 80%+ market share throughout the world measured by professional statisticians. That is my proof.

HoochieMamma said,

Yes they do. Average people have no idea about tech and always think everything is either ipad or iphone. He's 100% right in saying that.

That's ridiculous. Average people may not be able to tell the difference between a cell phone, a phablet, and a tablet, but they know the difference between Android and iOS usually.

I keep my tablet in my back pocket and get asked about once a week where I got such a big phone. As soon as I explain I say it's a tablet, I get oh is a Samsung or sometimes a Kindle, I have never been asked if it is an iPad. Heck my truck driver neighbor even knew just from the lock screen my Lumia wasn't android or iOS.

NastySasquatch said,

That's ridiculous. Average people may not be able to tell the difference between a cell phone, a phablet, and a tablet, but they know the difference between Android and iOS usually.

I keep my tablet in my back pocket and get asked about once a week where I got such a big phone. As soon as I explain I say it's a tablet, I get oh is a Samsung or sometimes a Kindle, I have never been asked if it is an iPad. Heck my truck driver neighbor even knew just from the lock screen my Lumia wasn't android or iOS.

No not at all ridiculous. Average non tech savy people think any tablet is an "iPad", they don't call it a tablet, it's just iPad and that's it.. It happens all the time with people here at work.

HoochieMamma said,

No not at all ridiculous. Average non tech savy people think any tablet is an "iPad", they don't call it a tablet, it's just iPad and that's it.. It happens all the time with people here at work.

I agree to an extent. It's anecdotal, but there are a lot of people who refer to a product by a popular product's brand name instead of its generic name. Like, you'll notice people asking for Band-Aids instead of adhesive strips, or for a Kleenex instead of a facial tissue then they take the off brand one. While I was in school, I worked in the electronics department of a Walmart during the height of the iPod's popularity. I live in a tourist town, so we use to get people from all over the country come in looking for an, "iPod. No, the cheap iPods. The ones made by Sony," or something to that effect.

Ozood said,
What a total douchey thing to say. Can you imagine someone at Microsoft saying this? The tech blogs would have a meltdown!

You mean like how you're having a meltdown right now?

The big difference is the iCult actually believes in this mentality. When companies like Microsoft and Google say something like this in one of their conferences, it is presented and received as a joke. I'm not saying that Android doesn't have its fair share of problems but you don't see Google running around telling everyone that their devices are perfect and have 0 flaws.

rafter109 said,
The big difference is the iCult actually believes in this mentality. When companies like Microsoft and Google say something like this in one of their conferences, it is presented and received as a joke. I'm not saying that Android doesn't have its fair share of problems but you don't see Google running around telling everyone that their devices are perfect and have 0 flaws.
i have/have had around 20 smart phones in the last 3 years. From iphone brand (3gs,4,4s,to 5s), and Windows (htc8x to Ativ S), to Samsung (SX2 S3,Note 2). In all of them, the iphones were the only ones to be considered problem free. Its not a cult if it just simply is general true. At moment, i pretty much always use my 5s. Not to sound cliche, but I can really say "it just works".

Garbage propaganda from an apple fanboy.

Most smartphones I see on the bus these days are Samsung, also plenty of windows phones - mostly Nokia, I think. They just work for all of these people.

I know a lot of iPhone users, about the same proportion have problems with them as other brands of smartphones.

HoochieMamma said,

No not at all ridiculous. Average non tech savy people think any tablet is an "iPad", they don't call it a tablet, it's just iPad and that's it.. It happens all the time with people here at work.


OMG... what a load of poop that is. First off, I don't know anyone from anywhere that would call any phone an iphone or any tablet an ipad. Quit making up stories.

Secondly, should you happen to know someone that does do that, they must be dumber than a door knob.

Gergel7077 said,

OMG... what a load of poop that is. First off, I don't know anyone from anywhere that would call any phone an iphone or any tablet an ipad. Quit making up stories.

Secondly, should you happen to know someone that does do that, they must be dumber than a door knob.

this is not a made up story, non tech people really really don't care to know. Example: do you use a kleenex to blow your nose? (ie. You may not, Kleenex is the brand name, not the item)

Gergel7077 said,

Secondly, should you happen to know someone that does do that, they must be dumber than a door knob.

Exactly, that's the frikken point!! It happens, trust me. No matter how much you don't think it does.

Like what rippleman says ^^

HoochieMamma said,

Exactly, that's the frikken point!! It happens, trust me. No matter how much you don't think it does.

Great, the one person in the entire world that does that implies that the entire world does the same. Um... no. Sorry, not buying that BS.
Like what rippleman says ^^

HoochieMamma said,

Exactly, that's the frikken point!! It happens, trust me. No matter how much you don't think it does.

Like what rippleman says ^^


Great, the one person in the entire world that does that implies that the entire world does the same. Um... no. Sorry, not buying that BS.

rippleman said,
this is not a made up story, non tech people really really don't care to know. Example: do you use a kleenex to blow your nose? (ie. You may not, Kleenex is the brand name, not the item)

All the people I know ask for a tissue.

Gergel7077 said,

Great, the one person in the entire world that does that implies that the entire world does the same. Um... no. Sorry, not buying that BS.

I don't care if you believe me or not. All I'm stating is it happens. That's all. Yes they are dumb, yes they have no idea what a computer is and confuse a tower with the word CPU or Hard Drive. Have you ever experienced this? No? Great! You should feel very happy it doesn't happen to you. I wish it wouldn't happen with me. It happens, to me and others, that's all you need to know.

HoochieMamma said,

I don't care if you believe me or not. All I'm stating is it happens. That's all. Yes they are dumb, yes they have no idea what a computer is and confuse a tower with the word CPU or Hard Drive. Have you ever experienced this? No? Great! You should feel very happy it doesn't happen to you. I wish it wouldn't happen with me. It happens, to me and others, that's all you need to know.


And what you need to know is that if it happens to you, you can't then project that to the rest of the world. That's all YOU need to know.

Gergel7077 said,

All the people I know ask for a tissue.
I looked over the thread, I didn't see anyone say "the entire world"... but it indeed does happen even if all your own friends are among the worlds elite intelligence crowd.

rippleman said,
I looked over the thread, I didn't see anyone say "the entire world"... but it indeed does happen even if all your own friends are among the worlds elite intelligence crowd.

The implication is there. He doesn't say a small portion of people do this, he specifically states "average people". That implies everyone who is not tech savvy. And that just isn't the case.

rippleman said,
this is not a made up story, non tech people really really don't care to know. Example: do you use a kleenex to blow your nose? (ie. You may not, Kleenex is the brand name, not the item)


Norway,use be the smartest country in the world, I don't know anyone who calls all smartphones iPhones or all tablets iPads, iPad I worked/work retail, selling the damn things...

HawkMan said,


Norway,use be the smartest country in the world, I don't know anyone who calls all smartphones iPhones or all tablets iPads, iPad I worked/work retail, selling the damn things...

only he brought up the iphone thing. Both the other poster and i are saying that many people simply call a tablet an ipad... i have never seen anyone call ALL phones an iphone.

Gergel7077 said,

The implication is there. He doesn't say a small portion of people do this, he specifically states "average people". That implies everyone who is not tech savvy. And that just isn't the case.

See, this is where you have lost the plot. I never said how many people. I stated "average non tech savy people". Did I state 1 person? NO! Did I state EVERY single one? NO! Stop putting words in my mouth and think I'm implying every single person does this.. Jesus how thick are you? All I'm stating is it HAPPENS. end of story. I've wasted enough time on you.

HoochieMamma said,

See, this is where you have lost the plot. I never said how many people. I stated "average non tech savy people". Did I state 1 person? NO! Did I state EVERY single one? NO! Stop putting words in my mouth and think I'm implying every single person does this.. Jesus how thick are you? All I'm stating is it HAPPENS. end of story. I've wasted enough time on you.


That's right... you didn't.
This IS what you said..."Yes they do. Average people have no idea about tech and always think everything is either ipad or iphone. He's 100% right in saying that. " That's NOT putting words in your mouth, you yourself put those words there (along with your foot).

Whether you said non-tech savvy or average, the implication is still there. There are (b)illions of average non-tech savvy people in this world. And they do not always make that mistake as you claim.

If you are going to state that it happens, fine. Just put things in proper context and not use "the average person" and "always". The average person isn't so dumb to call any phone an iphone.

Gergel7077 said,
The average person isn't so dumb to call any phone an iphone.

both you AND the other guy keep saying this, why is that?

rippleman said,

both you AND the other guy keep saying this, why is that?


That's what I mean. I am using his terminology. I would never make that average person distinction except to refute it. It's too broad and implies many billions of people. That is my point.

rippleman said,
Not to sound cliche, but I can really say "it just works".

Except when they don't. Then you're just "using it wrong". Give me a break *rolls eyes*

None of these companies have phones that "just work". They're all riddled with their own issues.

nekkidtruth said,

Except when they don't. Then you're just "using it wrong". Give me a break *rolls eyes*

None of these companies have phones that "just work". They're all riddled with their own issues.

true, but out of the dozen+ phones i have/have had, the iPhones have considerably less issues. I can't say if that's due to OS exclusively or phone build, but nevertheless, it is still true for me in the last 4 years. Have you owned an iPhone? Which model? Was it stock or JB'd?

rippleman said,

true, but out of the dozen+ phones i have/have had, the iPhones have considerably less issues. I can't say if that's due to OS exclusively or phone build, but nevertheless, it is still true for me in the last 4 years. Have you owned an iPhone? Which model? Was it stock or JB'd?


I would say that phone issues are a numbers game. The more phones you work with, the more issues you see. I work in IT and 75% of the company phones that are issued are iphones and 25% are Blackberries. I see way more issue with iphones than I do with BB's. I would say that iphones are equally prone to hard\software issues just as much as any other phone just from my experience alone. You would be surprised at the number of screen issues, bricked phones, not able to charge issues I see on a weekly basis from iphones alone.

rippleman said,
you are taking it too literally. Did you get mad when Honda claimed in its commerical about their CRV that "It can be anything you want it to be."? Did you try to turn it into anything else?

ROFL. While I still think that CEO is a piece of ######, I loved that comment. Made my day. It's the simple things in life.

I buy generic bandages and call them "band-aids". That doesn't mean I didn't understand the difference. It's just than band-aid=bandage, not necessarily Band-Aid(TM) brand non-stick bandages.

Rather than Cooks' assertion that people are "being tricked" into buying Android devices, I'd say it means that "iPad" is now just a generic term for tablet for most people. Same thing for "iPhone".

If your brand name is synonymous with the type of product, you're walking a thin line. Yes, it means you have significant mindshare, but you're also dangerously close to your brand becoming generic and meaningless.

You;'ll notice in the Band-Aid commercials they specifically refer to the product as "Band-Aid Brand" now - they now have to work to reinforce the fact that "Band-Aid" is not a generic catch-all term.

How long until the iPhone commercials start referring to "iPhone brand smartphones"?

DConnell said,
I buy generic bandages and call them "band-aids". That doesn't mean I didn't understand the difference. It's just than band-aid=bandage, not necessarily Band-Aid(TM) brand non-stick bandages.

Rather than Cooks' assertion that people are "being tricked" into buying Android devices, I'd say it means that "iPad" is now just a generic term for tablet for most people. Same thing for "iPhone".

If your brand name is synonymous with the type of product, you're walking a thin line. Yes, it means you have significant mindshare, but you're also dangerously close to your brand becoming generic and meaningless.

You;'ll notice in the Band-Aid commercials they specifically refer to the product as "Band-Aid Brand" now - they now have to work to reinforce the fact that "Band-Aid" is not a generic catch-all term.

How long until the iPhone commercials start referring to "iPhone brand smartphones"?

Hit the nail right on the head. Absolutely this.

I have NEVER heard someone say "iPad" or "iPhone" when they meant tablet or smartphone.

Perhaps this is parts of US where Apple got in and dominated the market and penetration of other brands is less, and/or people are just ignorant and dumb. Sigh.

james.faction said,
I have NEVER heard someone say "iPad" or "iPhone" when they meant tablet or smartphone.

Perhaps this is parts of US where Apple got in and dominated the market and penetration of other brands is less, and/or people are just ignorant and dumb. Sigh.

After the first ever iPad came out, and other companies began making their Android competitors and what-not, from my experience, people simply called them all "iPads", since the idea of a tablet wasn't too popular before the iPad came along. Nowadays, though, people know what a "tablet" is. I could argue the same when the first iPhone (and even iPod) came out.

JaykeBird said,

After the first ever iPad came out, and other companies began making their Android competitors and what-not, from my experience, people simply called them all "iPads", since the idea of a tablet wasn't too popular before the iPad came along. Nowadays, though, people know what a "tablet" is. I could argue the same when the first iPhone (and even iPod) came out.


I serious;y doubt anyone would call a Galaxy or Surface an ipad. That's just crazy talk. As a matter of fact, I use a Surface RT at work. When people pass by my desk and see the Surface, the first thing out of their mouths when they see it is,"oh, is that a Surface?". They know instantly the difference and never call it an ipad. And these are not computer savvy people in the slightest.

Gergel7077 said,

I serious;y doubt anyone would call a Galaxy or Surface an ipad. That's just crazy talk. As a matter of fact, I use a Surface RT at work. When people pass by my desk and see the Surface, the first thing out of their mouths when they see it is,"oh, is that a Surface?". They know instantly the difference and never call it an ipad. And these are not computer savvy people in the slightest.

Now that the Galaxy Tab series and Surface are out and more popular, no, it won't happen. /Nowadays/ people know not all tablets are iPads. I was talking about back in 2010, when Apple unveiled and released the first iPad.

JaykeBird said,

Now that the Galaxy Tab series and Surface are out and more popular, no, it won't happen. /Nowadays/ people know not all tablets are iPads. I was talking about back in 2010, when Apple unveiled and released the first iPad.


Everyone I've ever talked to has said iPad when they meant iPad, tablet when they mean tablet, from 2010 and before then too, since tablets have been around for years. Not even talking about techy/nerdy people here at all.

Maybe I just mix with the wrong crowds.