Apple sells 33.8 million iPhones and 14 million iPads in fiscal Q4 2013

Apple sold lots of iPhones in its fourth fiscal quarter of 2013, but its iPad sales for the same period came up a bit short. That's the big news from Apple's latest financial results, which revealed that the company sold 33.8 million iPhones and 14 million iPads in the April-June time period. The company also said it brought in $37.5 billion in revenues for the quarter.

A few weeks ago, Apple announced it had sold 9 million units of its iPhone 5S and iPhone 5c smartphones during their first weekend, a few days before the third quarter ended. As usual, Apple did not break down how many units of each iPhone model it sold during the third quarter. The iPad sales, which were below expectations, were recorded before Apple announced the new iPad mini and the iPad Air last week during its press event.

Apple also announced that it sold 4.6 million Macs during the last quarter. The company announced a number of new MacBook Pro notebooks last week along with a new Mac Pro desktop for high-end workstation customers.

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So with 4 selling models...they only sold 33M iPhones total? That's kinda low. Considering in that same quarter, Samsung sold 16M of the GS4's and that's only one model. Which means Apple sold about 8M of each available model. We know 7M were the 5S...and 2M were the 5C.

Maybe I am not reading the context of this statement correctly:

"the 5c and 5s, which Apple previously stated sold 9 million units during their first three days on the market"

The 5C was officially announced on September 20th a full 9 days before the 5S was announced. Which means the 5C was on pre-order availability for 9 total days before the 5S was officially on sale. During those 9 days + the 3 days the 5S was avail to order, Apple finally announced they sold on pre-order 9M iPhones. Which means in 12 days they sold only 2M iPhone 5C's on pre-order vs the 7M they sold in 3 days for the 5S.

Which means Apple is lying when they say they had 9M pre-orders for the devices in 3 days. That would be 100% false. They sold 7M iPhone 5S' in 3 days or weekend if you prefer, while the 5C was on sale 12 days before they announced sales.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

stevan said,
You're wrong. Use google

Oh and Galaxy S4 also has a few models.

The Galaxy S 4 has one model that had several country and carrier variants. The S4 Active is not a entirely different phone. It is simply an S4 with a water resistant case. However in the USA, ATT was the only carrier with it, thus low sales.

But here is what you are missing. Apple had 4 iPhone's on sale. Each from a different year on sale in the same year 2013. In one quarter with 4 models they sold 33M total. On the other hand, Samsung sold 16M Galaxy S 4 which is ONE SINGLE phone that comes in country/carrier variants. They are not separate models....they are ONE MODEL...and Samsung sold 16M of this one model. If you add the sales of the GS2 and GS3 which were also on sale, you would get over 50M sold phones.

Again, maybe YOU need to Google the facts. Again like Apple you want to distort the numbers. I am not. The GS4 is ONE phone compared to 4 iPhones from 4 separate years.

Another fact for you. EVen tho Samsung doesn;t sell as many devices on pre-order as Apple in such a short time, The GS4 had 10M pre-orders in 10 days for one phone. WHile Apple had 9M pre0orders with 2 phones over a span of 12 days.

Which means this time Samsung beat them. The iPhone 5C was released on Sept 20th, 9 days before the 5S was. That means in 9 days of sales an availability, Apple sold 2M 5C's and then in 3 days they sold 7M 5S devices. In which the 5C was on sales a full 12 days before Apple announced numbers. Which makes them media dishonest. They claimed they sold 9M on pre-order in 3 days and that was simply a lie. They pre-sold 9M phones over a course of 12 days which was 2 days longer than it took Samsung to sell the GS4 on pre-order in 10 days.

I was not wrong. Unless you are thinking this way...When Apple announced the 9M pre-orders...we know from 3rd parties that 2M were the 5C. If Apple is saying they only sold 2M 5C's on the weekend that the 5S was released, then what weer the sales for the 9 days leading up to that 5S weekend release?

We all know how PAple loves to play with numbers that mean nothing. Liek for example, on one of the previous OS X release, Apple was talking about how they reached 10% of their market with the New OS than MS did with Windows 7. That was stupid, because at the time Apple stated they had only 60M users who had an Intel Mac capable of using the new OS. So surely you can reach 10% of 60M users faster vs Microsoft who has over 1.3Billion users where it would take longer to reach 10%. And 10% of Microsoft's Window's market many times bigger. Windows is used 65% by businesses who don't roll out a new OS right away.

TechieXP said,
Another fact for you. EVen tho Samsung doesn;t sell as many devices on pre-order as Apple in such a short time, The GS4 had 10M pre-orders in 10 days for one phone. WHile Apple had 9M pre0orders with 2 phones over a span of 12 days.

Apple sold 7M of the 5S on a weekend, whereas it took Samsung 10 Days to reach 10m of the S4. I can clearly see the winner here not even counting the 5C. iPhone 5 will absolutely destroy S4 in sales, yet you predicted that it would be otherwise. Who's looking foolish now?

Here's an interesting bit for ya here:

Even so, the Galaxy S4 was the top-selling device for August, beating out the iPhone 5. However, the report notes that the figures indicate the Galaxy S4 had the highest August sales because the iPhones 16GB and 32GB models are counted as two separate devices

Give up buddy, you're wrong.

stevan said,

Apple sold 7M of the 5S on a weekend, whereas it took Samsung 10 Days to reach 10m of the S4. I can clearly see the winner here not even counting the 5C. iPhone 5 will absolutely destroy S4 in sales, yet you predicted that it would be otherwise. Who's looking foolish now?

Here's an interesting bit for ya here:

Give up buddy, you're wrong.

You think the iPhone 5S is going to outsell the GS4?

The fact is, you all also claimed the iPhone 5 would outsell the Galaxy S 3 and guess what...It didn't.

Again, I am watching you shift and pick what you think is the win situation, because you want to leave out the facts,or just use the fact that matters to you.

The 5C was on sales for 9 days prior to the 5S launch. In that span of time they sold only 2M total. @ weeks later, Apple announces they are cutting back on 5C production. Why? POOR sales. Yes the 5C sold 7M in a single weekend. Why? Because no one wanted the cheap ugly, fluorescent colored 5C with almost 2 year old hardware and pathetic features.

Apple treid to pull that BS stunt like they did with the iPad Mini. They took year old hardware and sold it inside the first Mini. They got away with it because people actually prefer a smaller device proving Apple wrong. They also did it with the 4S and 3GS. Peoplehave gotten wisw. I here people at my work saying, from now on they will not buy an S model of the iPhone. They will wat for the model afterwards or buy something else. In the last 3 months my partner was received 14 requests to have their 4S and 4's swapped for a Galaxy device instead. 3 people got their devices yesterday. 2 Were Galaxy Note 3's and one was a GS4.

Samsung already has a 40M sale head start. Will APple catch up...surely they will. If you actually watch the sales of iPhone, they are only heavy for 6 months. AFter that they slack by 1/2 and then 1/2 again.

Example, when Apple released the iPhone 4, ATT sold about 14M in the first quarter. After that in 2Q they sold 8M. In Q3 they sold even less and in 4Q they sold even less.

Which means, for the 5S to outsell the S4, Apple will need to produce and sell at least 10M phones per month. I don't know how many they can make in a month, But I don't see it happening, especially since getting one now is still 2 weeks from order date vs the GS4 is readily avail I see 70M+ GS4's being sold before its birthday. That means Samsung only need to sell 5M per month between now and then. Shouldn't be to hard.

As far as your other part? Apple sold 71.xM iPhones last year...with 4 selling model. The size whether is 16GB, 32GB or 64GB are all counted in the sales numbers they give.

You are trying to take that lame thing you said and make it work in your favor. IT DOESN'T. We know as a fact, the 16GB is the one that sales the most due to its 199.99 on a 2 year or $650/699 retail. Which is cheaper than the 32GB model. When ATT or Verizon gives iPhone sales, they gives sales as a complete nimbers which includes all seeling models, no matter when they were released or what size they are.

What you staed is a lie. Not sure who you think you're talking to. I am not one of those dumb idevice haters who don;t know facts. Look at Apple'sales numbers so far for this year. This quarter they sold 33M. Thise are 33M iPhones that include the 4S, 5, 5C and 5S and even 4's for the carriers who still have them which are paid for already and are just leftover stock. They also include whatever 16GB, 32GB and 64GB models that may have sold, but they are not counted apart from the rest. That is simply a lie.

I read Apple's report, the link is above. How me that statement in their report. Are you really going ot sit their and claim, that in Apple's report where they say they sold 33M iPhone for the last quarter, they aren't going to count the 32GB and 64GB models? The only way they won't be counted, is if they don't sell any.

Dude...are you even being serious? Show me where you got that statement.
It really doesn't matter where you got it, Apple didn't mention it in their report because i read it. They sold 33M iPhones period...that includes ALL SELLING MODELS> Your poor attempt to change that is just that.

Give it up buddy...YOU'RE WRONG....

stevan said,

Apple sold 7M of the 5S on a weekend, whereas it took Samsung 10 Days to reach 10m of the S4. I can clearly see the winner here not even counting the 5C. iPhone 5 will absolutely destroy S4 in sales, yet you predicted that it would be otherwise. Who's looking foolish now?

Here's an interesting bit for ya here:

Give up buddy, you're wrong.

I am very sure of this fact. Apple will sell 80M iPhone for the 2013 sales year. I can gurantee you this, All 80M won;t be the 5S. I would gues that 40-55M will be the 5S and the rest will be everything else.

The Gaalxy S 4 has already sold 40M and its only been 6 months. In 6 more months at 5M per month that will be over 70M sells of ONE MODEL. The variants don;t matter because they are based on country and carrier. They are all Galaxy S 4 as one model vs the iPhone which is selling right now 5 models in 2013. The iPhone 4S, the leftover 5's, the 5C and the 5S and 4's that are still selling from stock. Apple counts them all as iPhone sales. They make no distinction on model or size. So why are you?

I know, because you had nothing to bring to the table in your retort. As a fan, I know you can do better. This is why I am not a fan of any platform. EVER!

TechieXP said,
I am very sure of this fact. Apple will sell 80M iPhone for the 2013 sales year. I can gurantee you this, All 80M won;t be the 5S. I would gues that 40-55M will be the 5S and the rest will be everything else.

The Gaalxy S 4 has already sold 40M and its only been 6 months. In 6 more months at 5M per month that will be over 70M sells of ONE MODEL. The variants don;t matter because they are based on country and carrier. They are all Galaxy S 4 as one model vs the iPhone which is selling right now 5 models in 2013. The iPhone 4S, the leftover 5's, the 5C and the 5S and 4's that are still selling from stock. Apple counts them all as iPhone sales. They make no distinction on model or size. So why are you?

I know, because you had nothing to bring to the table in your retort. As a fan, I know you can do better. This is why I am not a fan of any platform. EVER!

Buddy, they are projected to sell over 50 million phones just in the next quarter! So for the year they will sell well over 100 million. Not quite sure where your numbers come from?!?!?

Most of the sales, as currently, will the be 5S model, which itself is expected to sell over 100 million over the next year.

You really have to do your homework better so that you can actually bring some facts to the table. Have you not had enough of me proving you wrong time and time again?!?!

You said galaxy S4 sold 10 million in 10 days whereas iphone 5S sold 7 million over a single weekend!!!!! Are you not tired of being wrong all the time?

Like posted on another thread that making an LCD for the ipad mini is as simple as shrinking the LCD of iPad air! Which is the most ridiculous statement I have seen on Neowin. How can you be so stupid?

All you did was find articles show the 5S is outselling the GS4....what you still are so blind and truning a deft ear is to the fact I gave you

The GS4 has already been out for 7 months. In 5 months Samsung has already sold 40M+

This has nothing to do with the fact if right now the iPhone 5S is outselling the GS4 2 to 1.

Again, you fail at comprehension.

The Galaxy S 4 was officially announced in March 0f 2013....you with me so far?
In one quarter, Samsung sold 20M+ - http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035...-million-units-report-says/

Before Q2 was even over, Samsung states they sold well over 30M.
Here we are in the start of Q3 and it was reported that Samsung sold 40M+ in just 6 months.

Samsung had projected, they would sell 100M Galaxy S 4's. However, because of a slow in sales, they cut back production because they are not going to evenly double the Galaxy S 3 sales which were 50M+.

As of Oct 2013 which is 6 months later after release, they have sold 40M+. That means they sold 5M more after they had sold over 35M in 5 months and 40M in 6 months. - http://www.engadget.com/2013/1...galaxy-s4-sales-40-million/

Like I said, even if they simply kept the 5M sales pace until the GS4's birthday, they are still on pace to sell 80M phones for a single model.

Apple is NOT going to sell 80M 5S'...I am so sure of it. So here is my bet and it is simple. When the year birthday of the 5S is complete. In other words from Sept 29th 2013 to Sept 29th 2014, when Apple announces their year worth of sales, I want you to show me they sold more 5S models vs the GS4 in a years time.

Even if Apple sells 100M phones this year, you still need to show me a legitimate link, showing me 80M were the 5S and I will keep track of the GS4 sales...

Lets see who outsells whom. If the 5S outsells the GS4, I will buy you a 16GB 5S and If the GS4 wins, you buy me the 16GB Galaxy S4?

Now, you can put up or shut up. I am putting money where my mouth is.
I can do those links too. How about the fact the GS3Outsold the iPhone 5 for 3 whole quarters. In fact, it took until January of 2013 before the iPhone 5 sales out paced the 4S and GS3. That means for 3 full quarters the GS3 had better sales, even tho the GS3 came out a quarter prior to the iPhone 5. Ever after that, Samsung sold 50M+ of the GS3...please show me a legit link showing 50M iPhone 5's sold.

I guarantee you won't because Apple sold 71M total phones for 2012 and I am positive 50M of them were not the 5.

Fact - When Apple officially announced the iPhone 5...Sales of the GS3 and 4S increaed. In fact many retailers said they ran out of GS3's. - http://www.androidauthority.co...1-billion-court-win-119605/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...apple-iphone_n_2023141.html

http://www.digitaltrends.com/m...y-announces-record-profits/

Here again is where you fail. Apple sold 33M in this quarter. But that is made up of 4 selling models. Samsung sold 16M In this quarter. But that is one model. Show me which model of the iPhone sold 16M? Here is a hint? NONE of them.

Show me where I am wrong. Showing me links where carriers are saying, 2 iPhones are selling for every 1 GS4 isnt going to cut it. It is obvious when the new iPhone comes the tides on sales turn.

But look, those same links exist last year too, After the 5 came out it started selling 2 for 1 over the GS3. Yet Samsung still sold 50M of them and Apple didnt sell 50M iPhone 5's. if they did...SHOW ME. Not your petty links.

Also read this - http://www.fiercewireless.com/...q4-surpassing-ga/2013-02-20

As stated in the end of this article, neither Apple or Samsung announce sales of any single model unless they reach milestones. All sales numbers we see are usally rough estimates.

With Apple YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO ESTIMATE.

Samsung announced they sold over 50M Galaxy S III's - http://www.androidauthority.co...and-galaxy-s3-sales-197892/

As I stated, that same article states "The Galaxy S4 is projected to sell in 100 million units, a target that is deemed “highly achievable.".

Now let me hit you with more facts. Samsung last month announced they were cutting production on the GS4 and there were rumors the GS5 was going to be released a bit early next year. However, Samsung starting cutting production, after 6 months of already selling this phone. They cut production because they anticipated selling 100M, but an unexpected slow in sales had them cut projections. Which is fine.

That is a big difference than Apple cutting production of the iPhone 5C only 2 weeks after it was selling for 2 weeks. And in 2 weeks they only sold 2M of them. Then tried to pass it off as if they sold all 9M phones of 2 models on the same weekend. Which you tried to call me out on.

I'm a spirited debater man. You need to come long and come strong with some measurable facts...

I am glad Apple can sell there one model. Its easy when you have NO COMPETITION. No competition meaning, no other OEM selling an device running iOS. Samsung who actually has compatition with Android, is selling more devices than the next 3 OEM's combine.

They sold 90M phones in a single quarter with 45M being smartphones last yea. In the first quarter of this year, they sold 70M smartphones of various models. That means this year alone Samsung is going to sell over 140M smartphones for 2013. What is Apple going to bring to the table? 1/2 as many sales?

TechieXP said,

All you did was find articles show the 5S is outselling the GS4....what you still are so blind and truning a deft ear is to the fact I gave you

The GS4 has already been out for 7 months. In 5 months Samsung has already sold 40M+

This has nothing to do with the fact if right now the iPhone 5S is outselling the GS4 2 to 1.

Again, you fail at comprehension.

The Galaxy S 4 was officially announced in March 0f 2013....you with me so far?
In one quarter, Samsung sold 20M+ - http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035...-million-units-report-says/

Before Q2 was even over, Samsung states they sold well over 30M.
Here we are in the start of Q3 and it was reported that Samsung sold 40M+ in just 6 months.

Samsung had projected, they would sell 100M Galaxy S 4's. However, because of a slow in sales, they cut back production because they are not going to evenly double the Galaxy S 3 sales which were 50M+.

As of Oct 2013 which is 6 months later after release, they have sold 40M+. That means they sold 5M more after they had sold over 35M in 5 months and 40M in 6 months. - http://www.engadget.com/2013/1...galaxy-s4-sales-40-million/

Like I said, even if they simply kept the 5M sales pace until the GS4's birthday, they are still on pace to sell 80M phones for a single model.

Apple is NOT going to sell 80M 5S'...I am so sure of it. So here is my bet and it is simple. When the year birthday of the 5S is complete. In other words from Sept 29th 2013 to Sept 29th 2014, when Apple announces their year worth of sales, I want you to show me they sold more 5S models vs the GS4 in a years time.

Even if Apple sells 100M phones this year, you still need to show me a legitimate link, showing me 80M were the 5S and I will keep track of the GS4 sales...

Lets see who outsells whom. If the 5S outsells the GS4, I will buy you a 16GB 5S and If the GS4 wins, you buy me the 16GB Galaxy S4?

Now, you can put up or shut up. I am putting money where my mouth is.
I can do those links too. How about the fact the GS3Outsold the iPhone 5 for 3 whole quarters. In fact, it took until January of 2013 before the iPhone 5 sales out paced the 4S and GS3. That means for 3 full quarters the GS3 had better sales, even tho the GS3 came out a quarter prior to the iPhone 5. Ever after that, Samsung sold 50M+ of the GS3...please show me a legit link showing 50M iPhone 5's sold.

I guarantee you won't because Apple sold 71M total phones for 2012 and I am positive 50M of them were not the 5.

Fact - When Apple officially announced the iPhone 5...Sales of the GS3 and 4S increaed. In fact many retailers said they ran out of GS3's. - http://www.androidauthority.co...1-billion-court-win-119605/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...apple-iphone_n_2023141.html

http://www.digitaltrends.com/m...y-announces-record-profits/

Here again is where you fail. Apple sold 33M in this quarter. But that is made up of 4 selling models. Samsung sold 16M In this quarter. But that is one model. Show me which model of the iPhone sold 16M? Here is a hint? NONE of them.

Show me where I am wrong. Showing me links where carriers are saying, 2 iPhones are selling for every 1 GS4 isnt going to cut it. It is obvious when the new iPhone comes the tides on sales turn.

But look, those same links exist last year too, After the 5 came out it started selling 2 for 1 over the GS3. Yet Samsung still sold 50M of them and Apple didnt sell 50M iPhone 5's. if they did...SHOW ME. Not your petty links.

You couldn't be more wrong, and here's a really fast way to show it to you. with me?

125 million iPhones sold. Once again, most of those came in the first half of the year, in the first and second fiscal quarters. Apple sold 37.04 million in its first quarter, and 25.06 in the second quarter. The third and fourth quarters were fairly similar at 26.03 million units and 26.91 million units respectively.

And you said 71 million?!?!? Just one of many lies I caught you at!

Now try crawl your way out of this one. Or are you going to stop replying?

TechieXP said

They sold 90M phones in a single quarter with 45M being smartphones last yea. In the first quarter of this year, they sold 70M smartphones of various models. That means this year alone Samsung is going to sell over 140M smartphones for 2013. What is Apple going to bring to the table? 1/2 as many sales?

Here,


A recap of fiscal year 2013: 150 million iPhones, 71 million iPads, 16 million Macs. We generated $16 billion from iTunes software and services.

2012 = 125 Million iPhones
2013 = 150 Million iPhones

Now get back to your corner silly boy. I have made you look like a fool over and over AND OVER again.

Please get back when you have some facts and now just lies!

TechieXP said,

I can do those links too. How about the fact the GS3Outsold the iPhone 5 for 3 whole quarters. In fact, it took until January of 2013 before the iPhone 5 sales out paced the 4S and GS3. That means for 3 full quarters the GS3 had better sales, even tho the GS3 came out a quarter prior to the iPhone 5. Ever after that, Samsung sold 50M+ of the GS3...please show me a legit link showing 50M iPhone 5's sold.

http://www.androidauthority.co...e-vs-galaxy-history-173560/

There, will you learn how to read now?

http://www.neowin.net/news/str...s-phones-shipped-in-q3-2013

In that article it shows..204M Android phones sold up to Q3. Samsung has a 40%+ market with Android in the world by itself. That means 80M+ of those phones are all Samsung and we know that 40M of them are the Galaxy S 4. Which means if you combine all the sales of the Galaxy phones so far this year...

40M GS4, 20M GN2, 5M+ GN3 and more...the Galaxy as a whole is beating the iPhone...and since we have 6 more months of GS4s, that means potentially Samsung will sell another 30+.

Do you still think APple is going to sell more 5S' vs the GS4? Its going to be close...but I see Samsung winning. No guestimates in my post.

stevan said,

Here,

2012 = 125 Million iPhones
2013 = 150 Million iPhones

Now get back to your corner silly boy. I have made you look like a fool over and over AND OVER again.

Please get back when you have some facts and now just lies!

No you haven't. What you ahve show is you have no reading skills. I siad the sales numbers of a SINGLE MODEL. Show me 50M iPhone 5 sales...

Youtelling me 150M iPhone sold in 2012 isnt responding to my very specific point which I repeated so many times.

Again...the Galaxy S 3 sold 50M plus last year The GS4 has sold so far 40M+ and is still on sale. YOU showing me iPhone sales wasn't my point. I know how many phones Apple sold as a family of 4 devices in a year. I said ONE phone.

Again, let me throw it at you again. Samsung releases ONE Galaxy S phone every year. Apple releases ONE iPhone every year. I know the Galaxy S and the SII are out the equation as Apple won those years. But the Galaxy S III and the 4 are what I spoke specifically about.

150M iPhones...GREAT...How many were the iPhone 5? Here is where I will help you. AT the end of the reign of the Galaxy S III, Samsung sold 50M+...it took until Jan of this years for the sales of the iPhone 5 to surpass the GS3. The sales as in...before...the GS3 was outselling the 5 2 to 1...but in Jan it was reversed.

Since Apple had 4 selling models in 2012...if you take 150 and divide it by 4, that means they sold 37M of each. We know that isnt right...right?But what it does show it is very likely, not one model sold 50M by itself.

TechieXP said,
No you haven't. What you ahve show is you have no reading skills. I siad the sales numbers of a SINGLE MODEL. Show me 50M iPhone 5 sales...

Youtelling me 150M iPhone sold in 2012 isnt responding to my very specific point which I repeated so many times.

Again...the Galaxy S 3 sold 50M plus last year The GS4 has sold so far 40M+ and is still on sale. YOU showing me iPhone sales wasn't my point. I know how many phones Apple sold as a family of 4 devices in a year. I said ONE phone.

Again, let me throw it at you again. Samsung releases ONE Galaxy S phone every year. Apple releases ONE iPhone every year. I know the Galaxy S and the SII are out the equation as Apple won those years. But the Galaxy S III and the 4 are what I spoke specifically about.

150M iPhones...GREAT...How many were the iPhone 5? Here is where I will help you. AT the end of the reign of the Galaxy S III, Samsung sold 50M+...it took until Jan of this years for the sales of the iPhone 5 to surpass the GS3. The sales as in...before...the GS3 was outselling the 5 2 to 1...but in Jan it was reversed.

Since Apple had 4 selling models in 2012...if you take 150 and divide it by 4, that means they sold 37M of each. We know that isnt right...right?But what it does show it is very likely, not one model sold 50M by itself.

Once again, don't you know how to read?!?!?!?!?

It shows in the article that I linked to exactly how many iPhone 5's were sold. And it outsold Galaxy s3 by a wide margin and the s4 as well. Come on man you're pathetic now.

Let me help you:
iPhone 4 and 4S over 90 million.

And here's the interesting part, the one you keep ignoring:


iPhone 5 Sales Statistics Sales
Total number of iPhone 5 units sold 89,000,000
Total number of iPhone 5s units sold 6,500,000
Total number of iPhone 5c units sold 2,600,000

Please crawl your way out of this one.

TechieXP said,
http://www.neowin.net/news/str...s-phones-shipped-in-q3-2013

In that article it shows..204M Android phones sold up to Q3. Samsung has a 40%+ market with Android in the world by itself. That means 80M+ of those phones are all Samsung and we know that 40M of them are the Galaxy S 4. Which means if you combine all the sales of the Galaxy phones so far this year...

40M GS4, 20M GN2, 5M+ GN3 and more...the Galaxy as a whole is beating the iPhone...and since we have 6 more months of GS4s, that means potentially Samsung will sell another 30+.

Do you still think APple is going to sell more 5S' vs the GS4? Its going to be close...but I see Samsung winning. No guestimates in my post.

Please see my previous post. You are completely wrong and the numbers you're pulling are very inconsistent and basically lies.

I proved my point. iPhone 5 outsold both the galaxy s3 and s4. even the iphone 4s outsold galaxy s3.

records after records ..

But YES, most of the guys here are correct as always ..

"Apple is doomed"

hahaha, u guys in here are patetic

Not sure why non investors continue to argue about numbers... Does it make Apple fans feel better about their purchase knowing it's 'popular' and does it make the anti-Apple folk feel better about not owning an iPad or owning a rival device?

You can spin numbers and figures all you want, the iPad is still the king in the tablet world.

jd100 said,
Their sales were also down, AGAIN.

What bloody figures were you looking at? compared to the same quarter last year their revenue is up $1.5billion (from $36billion to $37.5billion) - how the hell do you call that 'sales are also down'? one of these 'experts' who compare 'quarter to quarter' rather than comparing the same quarter the previous year?

Apple is falling behind Nokia and Microsoft. Apple is a big fail. /s

Has Microsoft/Nokia sold that many devices total in a year?

8 million Lumias last quarter. It's not Apple level sales, but nobody ever said it was (though you tend to make a big issue of it whenever the topic arises). Still it's nothing to sneeze at, considering they don't get the mainstream news coverage like Apple does and are fighting an uphill battle.

Enron said,
8 million Lumias last quarter. It's not Apple level sales, but nobody ever said it was (though you tend to make a big issue of it whenever the topic arises). Still it's nothing to sneeze at, considering they don't get the mainstream news coverage like Apple does and are fighting an uphill battle.
Guess that's decent enough. Not to shabby.

vcfan said,
even apple doesn't use their productivity apps

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/2627/20131028-jw4a-83kb.jpg

I doubt the legitimacy of this, not saying its not true; but perhaps the person/company that does their press release legal stuff works with excel/pastes into excel, or even numbers exports/imports into certain programs as being read as excel. (or worst case senario, just simply photo shopped and/or manipulated for a joke.)

Or you could do what I did, using my Mac search for the name 13fy13datasum.pdf in Google, save the very first link to my desktop, right click, Get Info, and look at it there yourself downloaded directly from Apple's servers to make sure that it is valid. But it is much easier to just claim someone photoshopped or making up stuff.

WhatTheSchmidt said,
Or you could do what I did, using my Mac search for the name 13fy13datasum.pdf in Google, save the very first link to my desktop, right click, Get Info, and look at it there yourself downloaded directly from Apple's servers to make sure that it is valid. But it is much easier to just claim someone photo shopped or making up stuff.

there is other suggestions before the Photoshop, it was just a possible senario, cry if you must.

The point is rather than checking it yourself you went into full attack mode trying to discredit it because you would refuse to believe Apple would do such a thing.

Apple may have their toy iWork but the real world knows where it is at. Microsoft Office. And apparently Apple does too.

WhatTheSchmidt said,
The point is rather than checking it yourself you went into full attack mode trying to discredit it because you would refuse to believe Apple would do such a thing.

Apple may have their toy iWork but the real world knows where it is at. Microsoft Office. And apparently Apple does too.

like others have said about you, you are very touchy and emotional, since this is a forum, you have to accept that some people have different opinions than you. No matter how much you jump up and down and stamp your feet and scream out loud, we can't hear you since this is the net.

Just above you are the one that is all touchy and whining about haters. And when some people may have different opinions than you then you just start yelling about how everybody is a hater. When a claim is made rather than investigate to get the facts you immediately start claiming that it is doctored and it is everyone else that is wrong.

So you can call me touchy and emotional all you want be we know that if anybody has an opinion that differs than yours, then you are the one who will "jump up and down and stamp your feet" and then start crying about haters. In fact I see two of your buddies who can't stand differing opinion, because when differing opinion is given you all start screaming hater.

WhatTheSchmidt said,
Just above you are the one that is all touchy and whining about haters. And when some people may have different opinions than you then you just start yelling about how everybody is a hater. When a claim is made rather than investigate to get the facts you immediately start claiming that it is doctored and it is everyone else that is wrong.

So you can call me touchy and emotional all you want be we know that if anybody has an opinion that differs than yours, then you are the one who will "jump up and down and stamp your feet" and then start crying about haters. In fact I see two of your buddies who can't stand differing opinion, because when differing opinion is given you all start screaming hater.

quoting myself: "I doubt the legitimacy of this, not saying its not true;"

keep crying.... one more time, come on, you know you can.

rippleman said,

quoting myself: "I doubt the legitimacy of this, not saying its not true;"

keep crying.... one more time, come on, you know you can.

You've lost the argument. Please stop.

Enron said,

You've lost the argument. Please stop.

and the other "apple is bankrupt" cool kid comes in We get it, you guys hate apple and want to impress your friends... but the truth is, no one thinks your cool for it. Start a new fad already, its long over due.

vcfan said,

of course you did

i am neither pro apple or anti apple ( i run andriod fyi), i simply take what input i have (flawed or otherwise) and try to come to all possible logical outcomes (even the most obvious)

you've already shown your colors, lets not pretend you're unbiased, k?

your words

"the masses buy prefab machines... the choice is made for them... the only reason 8 is "gaining" customers is because its already part of the sale."

vcfan said,
you've already shown your colors, lets not pretend you're unbiased, k?

your words

"the masses buy prefab machines... the choice is made for them... the only reason 8 is "gaining" customers is because its already part of the sale."

i must say now puff puff pass...

Apple is just making it harder and harder for Microsoft to get a hold in the mobile market. Apple people should give the Windows tablets a try to see how much more capable they are than the basic Ipads!

Lone Wanderer Chicken said,
Apple is just making it harder and harder for Microsoft to get a hold in the mobile market. Apple people should give the Windows tablets a try to see how much more capable they are than the basic Ipads!
I did try out a Surface 2 for a bit, didn't really like it. I'm picking up an iPad Air on friday, it will be my first iPad since i bought a launch original iPad that I kept only for 6 months.

Lone Wanderer Chicken said,
Apple is just making it harder and harder for Microsoft to get a hold in the mobile market. Apple people should give the Windows tablets a try to see how much more capable they are than the basic Ipads!

But for most people who just want to keep a tablet next to the sofa, to check emails, or surf for a random nugget of information on the internet, or Facetime a friend or relative - why would you need anything more 'capable' ?

I'm sure there's plenty of use cases for the Surface, but I think it's a mistake to assume that people are feeling short changed or incapable of doing what they want to on an iPad.

If all you are doing is checking emails, light browsing of the web, or Skype a friend or relative, why would you need the more expensive iPad? Also, if you are using FaceTime then it requires your friend or relative to buy an Apple device just to talk to you when Skype is much more ubiquitous and can be use on virtually any device and not force others to spend extra money to buy an Apple product.

WhatTheSchmidt said,
If all you are doing is checking emails, light browsing of the web, or Skype a friend or relative, why would you need the more expensive iPad? Also, if you are using FaceTime then it requires your friend or relative to buy an Apple device just to talk to you when Skype is much more ubiquitous and can be use on virtually any device and not force others to spend extra money to buy an Apple product.

Brilliant. How about people spend their money however the hell they want to spend it?

So am I to read into this if they're not casual users they should not 'waste' money on an iPad, and buy a cheaper tablet. And if they want to be more productive they should spend a bit more, and buy a more 'capable' Surface. And there's no suitable use case for an iPad.

Honestly... this place cracks me up sometimes.

You are pushing the iPad over the Surface. Perhaps people spending the money they want includes buying the Surface. He mentions a product with more features, you shoot it down because you think everyone wants an iPad, but when an alternative is mentioned then you get upset.

I agree, this place cracks me up too. A site named NeoWIN has articles about how any criticism about Apple, no matter how warranted it may be, is not welcome. If you try to say that there are alternatives to Apple products, including the one that runs WINdows, and you are attacked for not wanting to allow people to buy the product they want. It is OK for people to spend their money any way they want, as long as it is an Apple product and not a Microsoft one.

Yes, I agree, it cracks me up too.

Edited by WhatTheSchmidt, Oct 28 2013, 10:32pm :

WhatTheSchmidt said,

I agree, this place cracks me up too. A site named NeoWIN has articles about how any criticism about Apple, no matter how warranted it may be, is not welcome.If you try to say that there are alternatives to Apple products, including the one that runs WINdows, and you are attacked for not wanting to allow people to buy the product they want. It is OK for people to spend their money any way they want, as long as it is an Apple product and not a Microsoft one.

You're being overly dramatic, SoylentG. No where in the article that you're referring to says what you claim it says. The author of the editorial gave his opinion about how he thinks the trolling Apple gets isn't deserved. You may want to go back and read it again and turn your sensitivity down a few notches. You may also want to go back and read Chicane's comment again too. No where does it state that it's OK for people to spend their money any way they want as long as it is an Apple product. You know, I shouldn't really be surprised. Twisting what people say so that you have something for you to keep replying to once backed into a corner is your MO.

benthebear said,

You're being overly dramatic, SoylentG. No where in the article that you're referring to says what you claim it says. The author of the editorial gave his opinion about how he thinks the trolling Apple gets isn't deserved. You may want to go back and read it again and turn your sensitivity down a few notches. You may also want to go back and read Chicane's comment again too. No where does it state that it's OK for people to spend their money any way they want as long as it is an Apple product. You know, I shouldn't really be surprised. Twisting what people say so that you have something for you to keep replying to once backed into a corner is your MO.

Someone made a comment about getting a more capable tablet, Chicane starts talking about how you don't need a capable tablet if you are doing light work, and I add that if that is all you are doing, then why not get one that is cheaper, and some how it turns into an attack against Apple.

And what do you mean by my MO? I have like 5 posts here, and suddenly you know all about me?

Rudy said,
I did try out a Surface 2 for a bit, didn't really like it. I'm picking up an iPad Air on friday, it will be my first iPad since i bought a launch original iPad that I kept only for 6 months.
Same here. One Air on Friday, 2 mini retinas on release day.

WhatTheSchmidt said,

Someone made a comment about getting a more capable tablet, Chicane starts talking about how you don't need a capable tablet if you are doing light work, and I add that if that is all you are doing, then why not get one that is cheaper, and some how it turns into an attack against Apple.

And what do you mean by my MO? I have like 5 posts here, and suddenly you know all about me?

I know what was said, I just don't know how you came to the conclusion that Chicane was saying that it was only OK to spend your money on Apple stuff. I also don't see how it turned into an attack against Apple. Again, you're claiming stuff is there when it isn't.

Figuring out your MO is easy because you make the same exact arguments that you made under your other banned screen names. Someone comes in and says something as simple as, "I like the sky. The sky is blue." And you end up countering with something along the lines of, "Oh, when Apple says the sky is blue it's OK and everyone likes it. Everyone says it's revolutionary, but when Microsoft says that the sky is blue it's bad. Microsoft is doom and if you agree with Microsoft, you're attacked and labeled a hater." Even though no one said anything about Apple or Microsoft. You'll keep it up few a few months, vanish, then rise again under a new account. Easy stuff to pick up on when you spend your free time lurking Neowin.

And Cook made fun of Office and Windows, which trounces iWork and OSX in use. Apple has to give iWork away for free for people to try it, and Apple sold 16m Macs over an entire year which is a quarter of PC sales for a number of manufacturers. I guess it is time for Cook to go.

stevan said,
Balmer made fun of iPhone. And I didn't mention financials.

you seem to forget the context: it was in 2007, Apple was asking $500 for the iphone with a 2 years contract. That was insanely expensive for such a limited phone (no support for 3rd party apps, no 3G, no video recording support, no MMS support).

and it didn't sell well. There was a lot of noise about the iphone, but during the 1st year, it sold less units than Windows Mobile 6.0 the same year.

so, ballmer was actually right at that time. The iphone 1 at that price lacked some common features found even in low end phones (such as MMS support) and was ridiculous when compared to most competing devices.

now look at those who made fun of Windows Phone and Windows RT. In a few years, we'll be able to laugh at them too (Windows Phone is already selling more than the iphone on some market, and in 2 years it should sell more than the iphone worldwide).

link, it has been explained to him about 500 times already. its useless to try to explain it to him. he still doesn't get it,and keeps repeating it.

WhatTheSchmidt said,
And Cook made fun of Office and Windows, which trounces iWork and OSX in use. Apple has to give iWork away for free for people to try it, and Apple sold 16m Macs over an entire year which is a quarter of PC sales for a number of manufacturers. I guess it is time for Cook to go.

Been over this multiple times, Apples small market share makes more profits than any other PC manufacturer. Hardly a failure.

link8506 said,

now look at those who made fun of Windows Phone and Windows RT. In a few years, we'll be able to laugh at them too (Windows Phone is already selling more than the iphone on some market, and in 2 years it should sell more than the iphone worldwide).

I heard that so many times, a year ago as well. Not gonna happen buddy.

stevan said,

Been over this multiple times, Apples small market share makes more profits than any other PC manufacturer. Hardly a failure.

The cool "in" crowd of apple haters will never see that...

stevan said,

I heard that so many times, a year ago as well. Not gonna happen buddy.

really? It IS happening.

everywhere outside the USA windows phone market share has improved significantly this year.
WP sales are now very close to iphone sales in several European countries. The iphone will become the 3rd player in the market. WP the 2nd. Just a matter of a year or two.

Actually, Windows Phone is beating iPhone in several markets. That's no secret. But the people that still keep coming out and saying how WP is going to overtake anything are confused. And each time they say it's a matter of year or two. Been hearing this for quite some time now. Kind of goes in hand with people saying Apple is doomed. Just have to wait a year or two....

stevan said,
Actually, Windows Phone is beating iPhone in several markets. That's no secret. But the people that still keep coming out and saying how WP is going to overtake anything are confused. And each time they say it's a matter of year or two. Been hearing this for quite some time now. Kind of goes in hand with people saying Apple is doomed. Just have to wait a year or two....

the 2 first years, WP7 sales didn't improve as quickly as expected. But this year, since wp8 was released, sales went up considerably. iPhone market share is stagnating, so it's wise to say that WP sales will surpass it at some point. It will happen sooner than later, there is no confusion about that

You confuse the rising market with the overall sales. iPhone sales have been increasing every year. More than WP. So no facts in what you're saying, only guesses.

No big surprise that this quarter's iPad numbers were a little short. Everyone knew the announcement of the new models was coming, so many people probably held off in anticipation.

Spicoli said,
People keep saying that every quarter. The trend seems to be consumers are getting less interested in the form factor.

iPad sales:
2011 FY - 25 million
2012 FY - 55.22 million
2013 FY - 71 million

Yes, the trend shows that consumers are getting less interested in the form factor...

last two quarters combined compared to the same two quarters a year ago, iphone sales are pretty equal, while ipad sales have slipped. theres no good way to spin this.

Too bad apple haters can't read. Go look at the article again, at the picture and look at previous quarters. Notice it's not the first time the dip has happened?

Current and previous quarter show a dip before the holiday season, yet yearly sales increased. Only an apple hater could spin this in a negative way.

stevan said,
Too bad apple haters can't read. Go look at the article again, at the picture and look at previous quarters. Notice it's not the first time the dip has happened?

Current and previous quarter show a dip before the holiday season, yet yearly sales increased. Only an apple hater could spin this in a negative way.

funny, even apple doesn't feel as comfortable in defending this position since they decided to use misleading cumulative sales. They're not that proud of actual sales. They're even lying about market share when they say they have 81%, when in fact android tablet tablet sales are close to 70%.

the iPad mini was supposed to significantly improve iPad sales, considering that sub 9" android tablets are massively successful. If apple didn't introduce the iPad mini, its yearly sales would have dropped. But even with the iPad mini, they sold less ipads during the last quarter than during the same quarter a year ago. Hard to spin that positively.

link8506 said,

funny, even apple doesn't feel as comfortable in defending this position since they decided to use misleading cumulative sales. They're not that proud of actual sales. They're even lying about market share when they say they have 81%, when in fact android tablet tablet sales are close to 70%.

the iPad mini was supposed to significantly improve iPad sales, considering that sub 9" android tablets are massively successful. If apple didn't introduce the iPad mini, its yearly sales would have dropped. But even with the iPad mini, they sold less ipads during the last quarter than during the same quarter a year ago. Hard to spin that positively.

Fell right into that one:

Current and previous quarter show a dip before the holiday season, yet yearly sales increased. Only an apple hater could spin this in a negative way.

Oh and that 81% lie you just came up with:

It also once again touted that the iPad had some 81% share of tablet usage. CEO Tim Cook said that this was evidence that people were using iPads more than other tablets.

Couple posts up you accused apple fanboys at not understanding difference between things. And look at you now......as the rest of us laugh at your face. LOL!

stevan said,

Oh and that 81% lie you just came up with:


Couple posts up you accused apple fanboys at not understanding difference between things. And look at you now......as the rest of us laugh at your face. LOL!

apple fanboys love to spin numbers. The fact is that apple pretends sales are up, when they drop 2 quarters in a row, and that market share are high when they are actually low (thanks to the clever use of "market usage" measurement that comes out of nowhere).
http://bgr.com/2013/08/05/ios-android-tablet-market-share-2/

"While Apple held a 60.3% market share and Android held a 38% market share in Q2 2012, Android now holds a 62.6% market share and Apple holds a 32.5% market share."


the iPad mini was supposed to reverse the trend, but it didn't. And yet iPad fanboys are happy. No wonder why people laugh at them

Dude, he's not talking about market share with the 81%, he's talking about Internet Usage in the US. I asked you before to read first.

Both of you guys could talk ups and downs until you're both blue in the face. Fact of the matter is that the iPads will sell just fine this holiday season, we'll likely once again go out of stock, and Apple will be successful. Nothing of that will change here so I don't see the sense in arguing.

link8506 said,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci...fails-recent-dip-sales.html


no wonder why apple prefer to show cumulative sales numbers... They can't go down!

too bad apple fanboys don't know the difference between sales per quarter and cumulative sales.


What the graph looks like to me is that in every Q1, iPad has big sales, while dipping off in the next quarter. It also shows that FY13 was the most they've sold in that year when compared to previous years.

You have to wonder at which point a market becomes too saturated to get continued growth on a particular product. Even speaking as a tech enthusiast who likes to surround himself with gadgets, I can't justify replacing something like a tablet with the latest model EVERY year. If that's the case for me, surely it'll be even more prevalent for those who aren't technically minded and just treat these devices like any other home appliance - only replace it when it stops working.

Maybe it's just getting to the point where anyone who wants one of these devices (and can afford one) has one and the only way they're going to increase market share further is by releasing significantly different products. The Apple way of improving their products with only gentle, more incremental changes, I guess may hurt them in the longer run.

Despite all that, I'm still not entirely convinced that the iPad is under significant threat as a product line, from Surface or Google's Nexus - just based purely on what I've seen amongst colleagues at work, and when out at shows, the iPad is absolutely still king and I simply don't think people are dissatisfied with their iPads to change to a different platform. Obviously it's great for those who dislike Apple or the iPad as there is perfectly good competition available now.

For a lot of people, especially those who buy into the ecosystem of buying their music from iTunes and so forth, and seemingly the majority of the tablet buying market, a tablet IS an iPad. There is no alternative to them. (I'm not one of them btw - I have a Google Nexus 7!)

vcfan said,
last two quarters combined compared to the same two quarters a year ago, iphone sales are pretty equal, while ipad sales have slipped. theres no good way to spin this.

Jesus H Christ, hasn't anyone heard of seasonal variation? look at the big picture then come back posting your 'opinions' on the matter.

stevan said,
Dude, he's not talking about market share with the 81%, he's talking about Internet Usage in the US. I asked you before to read first.

I know that, and this is a ridiculous attempt to mislead people.

it's as if he said that the iPad has 100% tablet market share on face time.

most android tablet sold are 8" or less. They are less likely to be used to browse the web, since people already have smartphones that are almost as big.

but it's dishonest to say that ipads have 81% usage share when there is actually much more android tablet users that don't get counted because they use their tablet for apps, not for web.

typical apple.

link8506 said,

I know that, and this is a ridiculous attempt to mislead people.

it's as if he said that the iPad has 100% tablet market share on face time.

most android tablet sold are 8" or less. They are less likely to be used to browse the web, since people already have smartphones that are almost as big.

but it's dishonest to say that ipads have 81% usage share when there is actually much more android tablet users that don't get counted because they use their tablet for apps, not for web.

typical apple.

That's why he's taking about Internet usage and not overall usage. It's only misleading to people that don't read the facts. No one is spinning the numbers but you.

First you tried to show me the market shares, which this number had notning to do. And now you're desperately trying to back out of what you said.

You lost the argument, just give up.

stevan said,

That's why he's taking about Internet usage and not overall usage. It's only misleading to people that don't read the facts. No one is spinning the numbers but you.

First you tried to show me the market shares, which this number had notning to do. And now you're desperately trying to back out of what you said.

You lost the argument, just give up.

wow apple fanboys are incredible.

basically you're defending the use of whatever numbers seems favorable. Everyone in the industry is using market share to compare to the competition, but when it's not favorable to apple, apple prefers to switch to whatever other measurement that might be more favorable to them.

That IS misleading. I was not mislead, as I always expect this kind of number spinning from apple, but there is definitely an intention to mislead people who read quickly.

I'm giving up, the reality distortion field is too powerful, it is impossible to argue with someone living behind it. It's just a waste of time.

link8506 said,

wow apple fanboys are incredible.

basically you're defending the use of whatever numbers seems favorable. Everyone in the industry is using market share to compare to the competition, but when it's not favorable to apple, apple prefers to switch to whatever other measurement that might be more favorable to them.

That IS misleading. I was not mislead, as I always expect this kind of number spinning from apple, but there is definitely an intention to mislead people who read quickly.

I'm giving up, the reality distortion field is too powerful, it is impossible to argue with someone living behind it. It's just a waste of time.

You're the one who brought numbers in this argument. And you didn't even know what the number meant. There is no distortion field, just a excuse you guys use when you get put in your place.

Also, calling people fanboys is just pathetic nowadays. Bring a valid counter argument to the lies I called you on.

I have proved my points over and over again yet you keep dodging the issue at hand and switching the subject.

Cook was talking to investors at a conference, not the general public. The numbers he used are valid and in no way misleading. The only ones confused are apple haters that CANT READ.

stevan said,

You're the one who brought numbers in this argument. And you didn't even know what the number meant. There is no distortion field, just a excuse you guys use when you get put in your place.

Also, calling people fanboys is just pathetic nowadays. Bring a valid counter argument to the lies I called you on.

I have proved my points over and over again yet you keep dodging the issue at hand and switching the subject.

Cook was talking to investors at a conference, not the general public. The numbers he used are valid and in no way misleading. The only ones confused are apple haters that CANT READ.

the numbers I was talking about were shown during the iPad presentation last week. That was a presentation aimed at both developers and general public.
you like to claim people lie when they are just reporting facts you don't like.

claiming there was no distortion of reality when apple uses whatever numbers that please them (instead of the numbers that depict the reality, a loss of market share) makes you look like a fool. Apple does that at every presentation of a new product. When their mac sales dropped 2 quarters ago, they managed to make it look like something good (because the PC market dropped a little more than their mac sales). This quarter has been the opposite: PC sales are up in the USA, mac sales were down. Not a single word about it in their presentation.

the only point you proved over and over is that you actually enjoy living behind that reality distortion field. There is a term for that in my language : imbécile heureux

link8506 said,

the numbers I was talking about were shown during the iPad presentation last week. That was a presentation aimed at both developers and general public.
you like to claim people lie when they are just reporting facts you don't like.

claiming there was no distortion of reality when apple uses whatever numbers that please them (instead of the numbers that depict the reality, a loss of market share) makes you look like a fool. Apple does that at every presentation of a new product. When their mac sales dropped 2 quarters ago, they managed to make it look like something good (because the PC market dropped a little more than their mac sales). This quarter has been the opposite: PC sales are up in the USA, mac sales were down. Not a single word about it in their presentation.

the only point you proved over and over is that you actually enjoy living behind that reality distortion field. There is a term for that in my language : imbécile heureux

This is what you said:

They're even lying about market share when they say they have 81%, when in fact android tablet tablet sales are close to 70%.

Nowhere did Cook say anything about market share, it was internet usage in the US. So what you said it a lie and you tried to spin it differently. Then when I caught you, you tried hardest to back out of it.

He can use whatever numbers he wants to, facts have always been there, more iPhones sold every year since release. Spin that any way you want. The whole 'distortion field' theory is so old and a good way to call out people that put you in your place.

I reported FACTS based on statements, while you posted lies based on your own opinion. Please educate yourself, for the sake of Neowin.

stevan said,

Nowhere did Cook say anything about market share, it was internet usage in the US. So what you said it a lie and you tried to spin it differently. Then when I caught you, you tried hardest to back out of it.

nope, apple said basically "don't believe everything you heard about market share, we have 81% usage share". Of course I understand the difference. But apple bets that most fanboys and investors will think about these numbers as market share. And that is misleading. Usage share doesn't matter to developers or investors, because it doesn't results in more apps sold or more market share. Yet that's the numbers apple decided to brag about.

(furthermore, usage share can't be measured, so apple's numbers are ultimately wrong. US web browsing market share doesn't represent actual usage of devices and apps)

He can use whatever numbers he wants to, facts have always been there, more iPhones sold every year since release.

same for android phones, and windows phone. That's what happens when the market grows.

but we were talking about tablets, not phones. And apple's market share in the growing tablet market is shrinking considerably. That's the fact apple is trying to hide.


Spin that any way you want. The whole 'distortion field' theory is so old and a good way to call out people that put you in your place.

I reported FACTS based on statements, while you posted lies based on your own opinion. Please educate yourself, for the sake of Neowin.

you just tried to defend apple as much as you can, even defending their misleading use of numbers.

reality distortion field is a fact. I advise you to educate yourself by reading the Jobs biography. Then maybe you will be able to understand how apple has been repeatedly manipulating facts, and ultimately people like you.

I'm done with you.

link8506 said,

nope, apple said basically "don't believe everything you heard about market share, we have 81% usage share". Of course I understand the difference. But apple bets that most fanboys and investors will think about these numbers as market share. And that is misleading. Usage share doesn't matter to developers or investors, because it doesn't results in more apps sold or more market share. Yet that's the numbers apple decided to brag about.

(furthermore, usage share can't be measured, so apple's numbers are ultimately wrong. US web browsing market share doesn't represent actual usage of devices and apps)

It can be measured, and it is measured.

People may buy Android devices, but the ones they actually use have an Apple logo on the back. According to Web analytics company NetMarketShare, nearly 55 percent of all mobile Web activity comes from devices running iOS. Android devices made up only 28 percent. Last Black Friday, the iPad accounted for more than 88 percent of online shopping traffic from tablets, according to an IBM survey.

Usage share matters a ton to developers, because now they know their apps are being used to access the internet and make in-app purchases. This is why games and apps are most profitable on the iOS platform. Just another FACT.

Every time you post you make yourself look foolish. Exactly what kind of distortion field do you have around you? Find me some facts to backup your claim or stop posting.

link8506 said,

Usage share doesn't matter to developers or investors, because it doesn't results in more apps sold or more market share. Yet that's the numbers apple decided to brag about.

Now, I didn't read your other replies, but I found this statement shocking. Despite android substantial market share, most of the mobile profit comes from iPhone devices. Google makes more money from iOS small market share over it's substantial android ubiquitousness.

Are you just saying random stuff? Your statement was blatantly false.

ComPro said,
No big surprise that this quarter's iPad numbers were a little short. Everyone knew the announcement of the new models was coming, so many people probably held off in anticipation.
Really? Yet every year the iPads have dropped over 12 months. That is what you keep missing. We all know Apple tends to release products just before the shopping holidays bec this is when they have the most sales. Those sales drop in the first 3 months of the new year to 1/2 and then to 1/2 of that but the spring.

TechieXP said,
Really? Yet every year the iPads have dropped over 12 months. That is what you keep missing. We all know Apple tends to release products just before the shopping holidays bec this is when they have the most sales. Those sales drop in the first 3 months of the new year to 1/2 and then to 1/2 of that but the spring.

No they haven't, sales of iPads rose every year.

AWilliams87 said,

Now, I didn't read your other replies, but I found this statement shocking. Despite android substantial market share, most of the mobile profit comes from iPhone devices. Google makes more money from iOS small market share over it's substantial android ubiquitousness.

Are you just saying random stuff? Your statement was blatantly false.

most of the studies supporting your claims are based on estimation from companies based in the USA, where apple has 40% market share thanks to the mobile operators subsidies.
in the rest of the world, apple has around 15% market share, and it's unlikely that iphone users generate more value than the 70%+ of android users.

fact is, android is growing very quickly on the tablet market worldwide. iPad is no longer the king, despite apple claiming so (they chose to use US web browsing share, which were far more favorable than the rest of the world). iPad sales were even below analysts expectations these last 2 quarters.

btw, you should have read the other posts before replying, because the usage share apple is talking about is the web usage share in the US, which is absolutely not a global usage measurement, and doesn't take into account the usage of apps. Considering that android tablets sales mostly consist of sub 8" devices, it is expected that most of them are used only for apps/games, and not web browsing. Yet they generate revenue for developers, even if they don't appear in the "US mobile web market share".

so, how does it matter to investors and developpers that most mobile users do their Christmas shopping on their ipad in the US? how does that result in more in app purchases?

benthebear said,

iPad sales:
2011 FY - 25 million
2012 FY - 55.22 million
2013 FY - 71 million

Yes, the trend shows that consumers are getting less interested in the form factor...

Why are you combining years when we're talking quarters? Is that an attempt to hide the trend the downward trend this year?

link8506 said,

most of the studies supporting your claims are based on estimation from companies based in the USA, where apple has 40% market share thanks to the mobile operators subsidies.
in the rest of the world, apple has around 15% market share, and it's unlikely that iphone users generate more value than the 70%+ of android users.

fact is, android is growing very quickly on the tablet market worldwide. iPad is no longer the king, despite apple claiming so (they chose to use US web browsing share, which were far more favorable than the rest of the world). iPad sales were even below analysts expectations these last 2 quarters.

btw, you should have read the other posts before replying, because the usage share apple is talking about is the web usage share in the US, which is absolutely not a global usage measurement, and doesn't take into account the usage of apps. Considering that android tablets sales mostly consist of sub 8" devices, it is expected that most of them are used only for apps/games, and not web browsing. Yet they generate revenue for developers, even if they don't appear in the "US mobile web market share".

so, how does it matter to investors and developpers that most mobile users do their Christmas shopping on their ipad in the US? how does that result in more in app purchases?


Why does it matter where the company is based? They generate profit wherever a user is located. It just so happens that locations where Apple have little market share, those users are much less opt to make purchases from their phones.

Actually it wasn't a particularly good report for stock holders because the profit margin continues to drop. Apple is around #22 in the world for revenue yet #1 for market cap. The only reason for that is very high profit margin. Shares are down in after market because of this. It's really the expected trend as smartphones become a commodity.

stevan said,
Apple is doomed!
Same thing I thought. All the Apple haters continually state that Apple is last year and Nokia and Microsoft are today's big hit. LOL!

JHBrown said,
Same thing I thought. All the Apple haters continually state that Apple is last year and Nokia and Microsoft are today's big hit. LOL!
I've never said that. I don't think Apple is doomed. But Apple is in a bit of a pinch.

Last year Apple has 60% of the tablet market and this year they have 30%. Android was 30% last year and now it is 60%.

iPad sales have been sliding since the iPad 2.

JHBrown said,
Same thing I thought. All the Apple haters continually state that Apple is last year and Nokia and Microsoft are today's big hit. LOL!

We don't hate Apple.

But let me get directly to the point. What you are failing to see is this. Apple got off to a very slow start with iPhone, out the box you couldnt install apps and it didnt even have acapbilitioes many flip phones and older smart phones had. The vast majority of the iOS updates are to bring features other phones had years. I mean, it took you all 3 years to get MMS support, when I had MMS support on devices not even remotely as fancy as Jobs claimed iPhone 1 was. My Moto Razr V3 used an SDcard and it recorded video. The first iPhone could do neither. Which is why Moto sold 50M of them in one year and Apple to this day can't sell 50M of a single model.

Windows Phone right now is growing at a faster pace than iPhone did as well. Look how fast Android grew. In one year Android has more share than Apple had over 2 years.

In some countries Wp is growing faster than iPhone is. With Android owning 70% of the world market, Apple and MS is fighting for what is avail in 30%. Which means they will eventually split that 30% in 1/2. And with Windows Phone selling in places where iPhone's dont in high numbers, MS stands to get the bigger side of 15%.

You seem to have in your mind that down means out. Apple was down when they entered the smartphone market. They started at the bottom, they made it to the top and now they are headed to the bottom again.

GP007 said,
Sounds like they're tablet market is shrinking. Would be interesting to see where it stands at right now.

I have an ipad 2 and my next tablet will be an ipad but I'm not buying one for years and this thing works just fine. You can't expect ipad owners to replace like a phone where u get it on contract subsidized

Co_Co said,

I have an ipad 2 and my next tablet will be an ipad but I'm not buying one for years and this thing works just fine. You can't expect ipad owners to replace like a phone where u get it on contract subsidized

I don't expect that, but if what you have is the majority of people who buy a newer one are past owners then they're market isn't growing much if at all and their share is dropping. Which is why I'm wondering where it stands at right now.

Co_Co said,

I have an ipad 2 and my next tablet will be an ipad but I'm not buying one for years and this thing works just fine. You can't expect ipad owners to replace like a phone where u get it on contract subsidized

This. I get a new phone when my contract expires every 2 years. Plus they make fairly substantial changes with each generation, so there are plenty of incentives in upgrading. I have the 3rd gen iPad, and there really hasn't been anything that would entice me to upgrade to the newest one. I just bought a Nexus 7 and I'm actually surprised that thing hasn't dominated the market since it's a killer tablet for such a low price.

Co_Co said,

I have an ipad 2 and my next tablet will be an ipad but I'm not buying one for years and this thing works just fine. You can't expect ipad owners to replace like a phone where u get it on contract subsidized

It's such a scam though. Not only do you pay almost double for the phone on a contract, it convinces you do keep buying new ones. Check on the prepaid plans and save yourself a lot of money and ditch being tied to a carrier. I just moved from AT&T and AIO which is the same network and my monthly cost went down $40.

Spicoli said,

It's such a scam though. Not only do you pay almost double for the phone on a contract, it convinces you do keep buying new ones. Check on the prepaid plans and save yourself a lot of money and ditch being tied to a carrier. I just moved from AT&T and AIO which is the same network and my monthly cost went down $40.

How does that work? I pay roughly $70/month for my 3GB AT&T plan, and the equivalent AIO plan costs $65/month. On top of that, you have to pay full price for the phone. Plus AIO is highly throttled. Looks like an extreme ripoff to me.

Astra.Xtreme said,

How does that work? I pay roughly $70/month for my 3GB AT&T plan, and the equivalent AIO plan costs $65/month. On top of that, you have to pay full price for the phone. Plus AIO is highly throttled. Looks like an extreme ripoff to me.

I'm not sure what you're plan is but the AT&T 2GB smartphone plan comes out to about $95 after all the taxes and fees and whatnot. The $55 AIO plan is exactly what you pay including all taxes and fees. Because it's prepaid, they can't charge your overage data, so it throttles the speed down when you exceed your 2GB. You can buy more data if you want. If you decide you don't like the service or want to switch someone else, you just don't pay the bill. The other carriers have similar services.

Spicoli said,

It's such a scam though. Not only do you pay almost double for the phone on a contract, it convinces you do keep buying new ones. Check on the prepaid plans and save yourself a lot of money and ditch being tied to a carrier. I just moved from AT&T and AIO which is the same network and my monthly cost went down $40.


i pay 65 a month....on a 2 year plan $25 a month is the cost of the phone divided by 24months and $40 a month is the cost of the service = $65

most people pay around 60-70 a month and then have to buy an $800 iphone. with a plan i get the phone for 149-199

2 year plan 65/month plus $200 for the device =1760
2 year prepaid 60/month plus full price iPhone 800 = 2240

I pay 18GBP a month for a monthly contract with 3GB data unlimited UK texts and 1000 Minutes of phone calls. The NL920 costs me 460£. Makes 890£ for two years..
Man you get fully ripped off

I also have the ipad2 but will be getting the air this week. Will give the ipad2 to the kids to use. These things work for years and after will not be upgrading for a while.

GP007 said,
Sounds like they're tablet market is shrinking. Would be interesting to see where it stands at right now.
Shrinking for Apple...yes. Last year at this time, Apple had 60% of the market...now they have 30% while Android has 60%.

i pay 65 a month....on a 2 year plan $25 a month is the cost of the phone divided by 24months and $40 a month is the cost of the service = $65

You seem to be lying. As anyone else here can, I just went through the AT&T signup form, and it came out to $95 for one smart phone, unlimited text and talk, and 2GB of data. That's exactly what I was paying when I had the AT&T plan. Please, include a link to where I signup for your magic plan.

Spicoli said,

You seem to be lying. As anyone else here can, I just went through the AT&T signup form, and it came out to $95 for one smart phone, unlimited text and talk, and 2GB of data. That's exactly what I was paying when I had the AT&T plan. Please, include a link to where I signup for your magic plan.


i live in canada and on bell at the time i could sign up for 65 a month....http://www.bell.ca/Mobility/Products/Apple-iPhone-5s right now the 5s is 229 on a 2 year term but their monthly rates are worse then when i bought my iPhone4 3 years ago. the plans change regularly and before there were 3 year contracts to get the price of the phone even lower. you know you can even call and negotiate different rates with customer retention if you are a previous customer or if you have other services bundled with them like home phone/TV/DSL they give you like 5bux off the price a month

sorry you have to live in the USA

All I'm interested in is how many 5c's are sold and whether they will change their current strategy with regards to the c model in the coming years.

I love the phone, it is just (way) too expensive and for €100,- you'll get the better iPhone 5s.

But why should you pay 100 more for the better iPhone when both are the new models
You can clearly see people running around with the 5c - didn't see a 5s yet

Because the s model is twice as fast, better camera, more beautiful (subjective), longer support for iOS updates (due to 64-bit*), etc. The 5c was also earlier available (and in larger quantities) than the s model.

*Apple will probably make iOS 64-bit only in the future, therefore denying non-64 bit computers

By the time iOS is 64Bit only you will have IPhone 100402 out. And why is it more beautiful? might as well by the 5er than - not much difference - is it? and how is earlier availability something to support the 5s buying? twice as fast - so you mean the 5s is slow than and does not do all the jobs?