Apple targets eight Samsung products for sales ban

Apple won, and won big, in court last week when a San Jose, California jury said that Samsung must pay just over $1 billion for its violation of Apple's design patents. Now Apple has announced the list of devices from Samsung that wants to see banned from sale in the US.

News.com reports that the list of devices that Apple is targeting for its sales ban include several versions of the Galaxy S II smartphone. They include the Galaxy S 4G, the Galaxy S2 from AT&T, the Galaxy S2 Skyrocket, the Galaxy S2 from T-Mobile, the Galaxy S2 Epic 4G, the Galaxy S Showcase, the Droid Charge and the Galaxy Prevail.

Apple says that while all of the products on its list violate its patents in some way, the Samsung Galaxy S 4G has the most. Apple claims that the device infringes on two of its design patents, along with three of its utility patents. The product's trade dress also violates two of Apple's designs, according to the company.

Samsung will almost certainly try to stop Apple's sales ban request. It has also said it plans to ask the judge in the case to overrule the jury's decision. If that fails to happen, Samsung plans to file a full appeal.

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APPLE sueing everyone cause there days of being number 1 are over and they DAM WELL KNOW IT !!!!

they ve already said that there looking at htc etc as well the only reason there after samsung first is samsung manufacture the A5 Procosser ..... and so they say sasmung copeid tther square phone design LIKE FFS how stupid every phone is feing square or rectangle !!!..... every car manufacturer and laptop OEM come out with similar tech/specs shapes and sizes and do you see them sueing each other !!! HELL NO!!!!!

apple just bloody greedy bs'ers the whole bunch of them everyones copying ur Mac Air design yet you do f all to sue them do u now as if u **** intel off there goes your whole mac business so they pick on samsung

Edited by gunny2k6, Aug 28 2012, 11:23am :

gunny2k6 said,
APPLE sueing everyone cause there days of being number 1 are over and they DAM WELL KNOW IT !!!!

they ve already said that there looking at htc etc as well the only reason there after samsung first is samsung manufacture the A5 Procosser ..... and so they say sasmung copeid tther square phone design LIKE FFS how stupid every phone is feing square or rectangle !!!..... every car manufacturer and laptop OEM come out with similar tech/specs shapes and sizes and do you see them sueing each other !!! HELL NO!!!!!

apple just bloody greedy bs'ers the whole bunch of them everyones copying ur Mac Air design yet you do f all to sue them do u now as if u **** intel off there goes your whole mac business so they pick on samsung

ORLY?

its simple, apple are frightened of being overtaken by samsung, this is the reason they are after them.
i've never liked apple they have too much control over what you can and cant do with their phones.
they're just making the consumers suffer for it all.

like they say what comes around goes around. you'll see

I had the Epic 4g it is not even close to an iPhone. It's a freakin slider phone. This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. This lawsuit just makes me sick. I have always hated Apple because of being so proprietary. Now this makes much harder to even stand them.

Apple stole pretty much every single idea and desing from others, patent it and now they want sue most of mobile maker and get their money too based on a messed patent system. The big loser here is general customer.
Is so stupid that now they want to ban a year old set of devices, wtf apple!?

All those devices are for the U.S market/carrier based. International variants aren't targeted so Samsung in whole should not be affected.

Not going to hurt Samsung much, if at all. These devices people already have, or have upgraded past. Samsung also can still freely sell the SGS3 and where they are making most of they money ATM.

Also i wonder if apple soooo damn secretive is because if ppl actually went into there theyd realise everything is copied from everyone else and get sued into oblivion and there patents wouldnt mean anything thats why they keep a tight lid on everything

When is apple going to stop ffs. Its says one of the smartphones violates its trade dress design patents and wants it banned, no f'ing **** thats what theyve bin battling over dumbasses, you cant really go and change the design of a phone that has already bin made and sold. Apple innovative... no, original.... no, can copy everyone and get away with it... yes, copied loads of ppl and cobbled it together into a phone that based more on looks than functionality... yes, can market something so ppl believe they invented ice.... yes

I originally thought siri was apples idea and they came up with it in house but then nope they bought it, made out it was all there idea then proceeded to destroy it by targeted search queries and subduing ones that they didnt like etc. There more full of crap than a dung beetle after eating an entire cows turd. hate them

Rudie32 said,
galaxy s 4g? had it briefly. they can have it. absolutely hated it.

Had it briefly on Sprint before I switched to Verizon and got the Galaxy Nexus. They GNEX is a much better phone.

techbeck said,

Had it briefly on Sprint before I switched to Verizon and got the Galaxy Nexus. They GNEX is a much better phone.


It's an exclusive device on T-Mobile and has never been on Sprint. It's pretty much a Vibrant with a front facing camera but less on board storage. You're probably thinking of the Epic 4G which was the original Galaxy S device on Sprint.

contriver87 said,

It's an exclusive device on T-Mobile and has never been on Sprint. It's pretty much a Vibrant with a front facing camera but less on board storage. You're probably thinking of the Epic 4G which was the original Galaxy S device on Sprint.

The Epic 4g is an SGSII variant and was the one I was thinking about, yes. GNEX is still a better phone.

techbeck said,

Had it briefly on Sprint before I switched to Verizon and got the Galaxy Nexus. They GNEX is a much better phone.

My old g1 was a better phone! I had it for all of 2 months before i just bought the amaze 4g. I'll donate my s 4g if it meant an apple employee had to use it!
It was free, but they couldn't pay me to use it.

Rudie32 said,
My old g1 was a better phone! I had it for all of 2 months before i just bought the amaze 4g. I'll donate my s 4g if it meant an apple employee had to use it!
It was free, but they couldn't pay me to use it.

Still have my Samsung Vibrant from T-Mobile. I am on Verizon now so I loaded the SGS with ICS and now just use it as an MP3 player mainly. Still going strong and ICS runs great on it.

Good. About time Samsung paid for their theft. Samsung are a bunch of thieves and their execs should be in jail

descj said,
Good. About time Samsung paid for their theft. Samsung are a bunch of thieves and their execs should be in jail

you're not serious are you? You do know Apple ripped off Xerox a bunch of years back right? I guess since I have a tree growing in my yard I can patent its green leaf design so others can't use it... derp I mean come on a patent for a square with rounded corners, lame.

descj said,
Good. About time Samsung paid for their theft. Samsung are a bunch of thieves and their execs should be in jail

Please tell me how they are thieves. You have any proof they stole someone's ideas?

Rumor has it that when the verdict came down Steve Jobs starting cackling from the grave. I fully hope Samsung gets an appeal and I wonder if the recent case in S. Korea would have any bearing on a re-trial here. And I hope Samsung will be able to bring all the stuff to the table that the judge didn't let them. (Didn't the judge deny Samsung from entering a bunch of prior art/info?)

ir0nw0lf said,
... I wonder if the recent case in S. Korea would have any bearing on a re-trial here. ...

The jurors comments to media that they felt it would take too much time trying to determine if Apple's patents should be invalidated because of prior art and that they skipped over that part of deliberations should technically weigh in more in terms of the appeal.

Wonder what would happen if Samsung stopped making parts for apple. I guess it would have to wait until their contracts are up.

NerdyTech said,
Wonder what would happen if Samsung stopped making parts for apple. I guess it would have to wait until their contracts are up.

I would love to see that happen. Let them buy parts from someone else. Buy substandard parts from some manufacturer no one has ever heard of. I'd love to see the quality come down.

NerdyTech said,
Wonder what would happen if Samsung stopped making parts for apple. I guess it would have to wait until their contracts are up.

Won't happen. Samsung makes too much money off Apple.

A $1 billion dollar payout really doesn't mean much to them since they make about $280 billion a year.

NerdyTech said,
Wonder what would happen if Samsung stopped making parts for apple. I guess it would have to wait until their contracts are up.

Samsung make billions from Apple buying their stuff. Not going to happen.

Samsung will just move on, not be open to such things again, and make more money as usual.

jon.01 said,

I would love to see that happen. Let them buy parts from someone else. Buy substandard parts from some manufacturer no one has ever heard of. I'd love to see the quality come down.

Do you really think Apple couldn't find a manufacturer that would have equal quality? Samsung should be worried that Apple isn't secretly arranging this. Imagine the amount of money Samsung would lose if Apple went elsewhere...

NerdyTech said,
Wonder what would happen if Samsung stopped making parts for apple. I guess it would have to wait until their contracts are up.
Samsung would lose billions of dollars in lost production, and Apple would have a weakened supply chain for probably less than a year.

I am certain that Apple negotiates the contracts far in advance, particularly with Samsung, so that if Samsung decided to say, "nah," then Apple would have time to lick its wounds and figure things out long before it became a huge issue.

On the other hand, Samsung would not have any other customer near that scale to replace Apple with, thus really only hurting Samsung.

Now, I imagine that Samsung would like to stick it to Apple in the solid state market (more so than their more publicized ARM processor manufacturing market), but even then I bet that Apple has alternatives that are just slightly less attractive while Samsung would be left out in the cold.

jon.01 said,
I'd love to see the quality come down.
Why?

Love or hate Apple, their innovations in multiple hardware areas have directly lead to a lot more competition in industries that were otherwise stagnant. In particular, I am referring to the iPod, iPad, iPhone and Retina displays, now including on their laptops. I think that Apple is largely becoming stagnant themselves, looking at the iOS churn since at least iOS 5, but I don't want to give other manufacturers any more reason to stop pushing forward, again.

Samsung phones have mostly been a race to the bottom in terms of hardware quality and quality control so that they can increase their profit margins, at least from my personal experience. Knocking down a good hardware vendor will simply mean Samsung can dig itself lower. Until Nokia really picks itself back up, hopefully with Windows Phone 8, then Apple is really the only phone company, which people care about, making hardware that both feels good in the hand, and can stand the test of time in terms of common usage (not necessarily drops). On the other hand, my HTC and Samsung phones have both shown nasty scratches from my empty--except possibly for lint--pockets after less than a few months; in particular, the screens feel like garbage after awhile. HTC phones generally feel nice in the hand though, but they all look like they're from 2009 with terrible screens.

NerdyTech said,
Wonder what would happen if Samsung stopped making parts for apple. I guess it would have to wait until their contracts are up.

Samsung will not do this. They have a contract with Apple and a conflict of interest agreement in place. Samsung and Apple both have stated that they value their relationship when it comes to providing hardware for Apple's devices. They are not going to let the issue with their phones ruin this.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Do you really think Apple couldn't find a manufacturer that would have equal quality? Samsung should be worried that Apple isn't secretly arranging this. Imagine the amount of money Samsung would lose if Apple went elsewhere...

Like Samsung is only invested in the mobile market. Samsung isnt all just about phones and they also provide parts to other companies besides Apple. And yes, Apple could find a different company to produce parts and they looked into it once. The company cannot produce the quantity or quality Apple is looking for.

Besides, Apple and Samsung both stated they will not let their issues with Android effect their relationship with producing components.

techbeck said,

Like Samsung is only invested in the mobile market. Samsung isnt all just about phones and they also provide parts to other companies besides Apple. And yes, Apple could find a different company to produce parts and they looked into it once. The company cannot produce the quantity or quality Apple is looking for.

Besides, Apple and Samsung both stated they will not let their issues with Android effect their relationship with producing components.

I never said they weren't...
Moral of the story is that if Apple changed up their manufacturer, that means less money in Samsung's pocket and less end of quarter/year profits. I'd call it a fairly significant number. When that happens, investors get antsy and the stock price goes down. Will it majorly hurt Samsung? No. But it will surely spark a few fires.

Astra.Xtreme said,

I never said they weren't...
Moral of the story is that if Apple changed up their manufacturer, that means less money in Samsung's pocket and less end of quarter/year profits. I'd call it a fairly significant number. When that happens, investors get antsy and the stock price goes down. Will it majorly hurt Samsung? No. But it will surely spark a few fires.

How is that a moral of a story? May be a possible outcome, but not a moral.

And both Apple and Samsung will know in advance if any changes are coming with their partnership. They have a signed legal agreement so there will be no surprise if anything does happen.

techbeck said,

How is that a moral of a story? May be a possible outcome, but not a moral.

And both Apple and Samsung will know in advance if any changes are coming with their partnership. They have a signed legal agreement so there will be no surprise if anything does happen.

So you're saying that if Apple pulled out, Samsung wouldn't lose money? Please do explain that one to me. And why would Samsung know in advance if Apple was going to go elsewhere? They have a contract that has to be followed, but outside of that, nothing is required to be said. Obviously negotiations begin well before a contract is signed, but Apple doesn't have to keep them fully in the loop the whole way.

Astra.Xtreme said,

So you're saying that if Apple pulled out, Samsung wouldn't lose money? Please do explain that one to me. And why would Samsung know in advance if Apple was going to go elsewhere? They have a contract that has to be followed, but outside of that, nothing is required to be said. Obviously negotiations begin well before a contract is signed, but Apple doesn't have to keep them fully in the loop the whole way.

Never said they wouldnt lose money. And contracts like this more than likely has a clause/statement to give notice of contract termination...dont know for sure, dont know what the agreement says. Not to mention that if Apple ever decides to switch, that it would be leaked online soon after the decision. This kind of info always does.

techbeck said,

Samsung will not do this. They have a contract with Apple and a conflict of interest agreement in place. Samsung and Apple both have stated that they value their relationship when it comes to providing hardware for Apple's devices. They are not going to let the issue with their phones ruin this.

and lets not forget were talking $1billion dollars, not really gonna hurt Samsung past this fiscal year, a drop in the ocean to the worldwide leviathan that Samsung is.

techbeck said,

Not to mention that if Apple ever decides to switch, that it would be leaked online soon after the decision. This kind of info always does.

Very true.

NerdyTech said,
Wonder what would happen if Samsung stopped making parts for apple. I guess it would have to wait until their contracts are up.

I can't find the source, but I read somewhere that Samsung sells Apple about 3 billion in parts per year. Also, the current CEO of Samsung is deliberately staying out of all meetings regarding this patent lawsuit because the CEO wants to stay focused on selling Apple their parts. Samsung's parts are a pretty big deal for Samsung and for Apple.

Shadrack said,

I can't find the source, but I read somewhere that Samsung sells Apple about 3 billion in parts per year. Also, the current CEO of Samsung is deliberately staying out of all meetings regarding this patent lawsuit because the CEO wants to stay focused on selling Apple their parts. Samsung's parts are a pretty big deal for Samsung and for Apple.

I made a post in Backpage with what you are referring to.

NerdyTech said,
Wonder what would happen if Samsung stopped making parts for apple. I guess it would have to wait until their contracts are up.

Considering that Apple is Samsung's #1 customer in regards to chip and memory sold, and the fact that Samsungs profits on chip sales is higher than mobile phone sales, it would be more wise of Samsung to drop selling mobile phones than to cancel existing contracts on chips and memory with their biggest customer.

Apple is seriously out for blood with Samsung. They want them gone from the cell phone industry because they've been the most successful.

RedFlow said,
Apple is seriously out for blood with Samsung. They want them gone from the cell phone industry because they've been the most successful.

Um all those phones are no longer being sold and are at least a year + old.

So it doesn't matter if Apple wants them banned in the US.

RedFlow said,
Apple is seriously out for blood with Samsung. They want them gone from the cell phone industry because they've been the most successful.

Here's a thought. Maybe Apple wants them gone because they stole their property on a long line of products and profited on it for years. Due to recent events, I'd tend to believe what I've just said...

Astra.Xtreme said,

Here's a thought. Maybe Apple wants them gone because they stole their property on a long line of products and profited on it for years. Due to recent events, I'd tend to believe what I've just said...

Oh God, yet another ignorant Apple fanboy...Do you guys seriously think that all consumers think that iPhone is the best phone for everyone? Perhaps these people legitimately bought those devices because they were what they wanted from a mobile device? The US patent system is in a severely messed up state, and Apple just used that to its advantage. Of course, Apple fanboys see this as a victory, and yet again can't see the whole picture.

tsupersonic said,
Oh God, yet another ignorant Apple fanboy...Do you guys seriously think that all consumers think that iPhone is the best phone for everyone? Perhaps these people legitimately bought those devices because they were what they wanted from a mobile device? The US patent system is in a severely messed up state, and Apple just used that to its advantage. Of course, Apple fanboys see this as a victory, and yet again can't see the whole picture.

I'm personally taking a gray area approach to the whole issue, but in my humble opinion...

I highly doubt the sort of person who kicks off his comment with a personal attack has somehow managed to grasp the "whole picture" of much at all. I'd like to think comprehension leads to taking the high road by default.

tsupersonic said,
Oh God, yet another ignorant Apple fanboy...Do you guys seriously think that all consumers think that iPhone is the best phone for everyone? Perhaps these people legitimately bought those devices because they were what they wanted from a mobile device? The US patent system is in a severely messed up state, and Apple just used that to its advantage. Of course, Apple fanboys see this as a victory, and yet again can't see the whole picture.

First of all, what the hell are you talking about? Making the baseless claim that I'm an Apple "fanboy" just shows how much of a child you are... Nowhere did I say that I think the iPhone is better than anything else. Hell, I didn't even mention the iPhone at all... So again, what the hell are you talking about? Perhaps a reading comprehension fail?... Samsung got busted for stealing Apple's property, period. Those are the facts. If you don't like it, go cry in the corner... Instead of insinuating something that isn't there, maybe you should read twice and speak once next time...

Astra.Xtreme said,
Due to recent events, I'd tend to believe what I've just said...

Yeah, as if you needed further convincing *ahem*... thing is, other verdicts like the one in the UK didn't go in Apples favor so those 'recent events' aren't as clear cut as some fans make them out to be.

dr_crabman said,

Yeah, as if you needed further convincing *ahem*... thing is, other verdicts like the one in the UK didn't go in Apples favor so those 'recent events' aren't as clear cut as some fans make them out to be.

So you're saying that Apple took Samsung to court just because they are successful, and not at all because Samsung was profiting off of the patents that Apple owns?... Yeah, that makes total sense...

dr_crabman said,

Yeah, as if you needed further convincing *ahem*... thing is, other verdicts like the one in the UK didn't go in Apples favor so those 'recent events' aren't as clear cut as some fans make them out to be.


Well if we're going to make arbitrary comparisons to the actions of different courts, let's talk about some other recent verdicts out of the UK, eh?

tsupersonic said,
Oh God, yet another ignorant Apple fanboy...Do you guys seriously think that all consumers think that iPhone is the best phone for everyone? Perhaps these people legitimately bought those devices because they were what they wanted from a mobile device? The US patent system is in a severely messed up state, and Apple just used that to its advantage. Of course, Apple fanboys see this as a victory, and yet again can't see the whole picture.

So, is it that you don't believe that Samsung copied/stole or is it that you don't believe Apple is entitled to damages from said copying/theft?

I was under the impression that patent, trademark, and copyright laws exist exactly for this purpose. Are the laws perfect? No. Then again, nothing is. The jury, in this case, found guilt and now Samsung is liable. Sure there are cases in which innocents are found guilty. But, I personally do not believe this is one of those cases.

It's plain to see that Android itself was a copy or take on ios, if you will. And, one can make the argument that the next man's idea is the next man's idea, is the next man's idea. Even still, it appears Samsung took this a step further and must now pay the piper.

If you have proof to the contrary, I would certainly be open to viewing it.

Astra.Xtreme said,
So you're saying that Apple took Samsung to court just because they are successful, and not at all because Samsung was profiting off of the patents that Apple owns?... Yeah, that makes total sense...

And you're saying Apple would care this much and invest as much effort to stall Samsung using the pettiest complaints (for which not every court falls fortunately) or unfair licensing deals if they weren't the most successful and fastest growing competitor in the smart phone space? Okay, yeah.

dr_crabman said,

And you're saying Apple would care this much and invest as much effort to stall Samsung using the pettiest complaints (for which not every court falls fortunately) or unfair licensing deals if they weren't the most successful and fastest growing competitor in the smart phone space? Okay, yeah.

Samsung made a huge amount of money by stealing Apple's work. Probably more so than any other company, so of course they are going to attack them first. They were awarded $1B+, so I'd say all the time and effort was worth it on their end. Justice was served and it sent a message out to anybody else that wants to play ball. I really don't know what your point is. Samsung was the biggest thief, so they wore the biggest target.

-Razorfold said,

Um all those phones are no longer being sold and are at least a year + old.

So it doesn't matter if Apple wants them banned in the US.

But once they are banned, any other phone Samsung has with any of these patent infringements are going to be banned before they even hit the market. They want to set the stage for things to come with these bans. Not that these bans are significant in-themselves.

tsupersonic said,
Oh God, yet another ignorant Apple fanboy...Do you guys seriously think that all consumers think that iPhone is the best phone for everyone? Perhaps these people legitimately bought those devices because they were what they wanted from a mobile device? The US patent system is in a severely messed up state, and Apple just used that to its advantage. Of course, Apple fanboys see this as a victory, and yet again can't see the whole picture.

I wonder why people fail to understand how patent system works. There is nothing wrong with the patent system. basically if you copy a product or feature but enhance it that is clearly functions better than the original one or have more feature for every sub items, that is not a problem at all and is not against law. However, if you copy a part or whole system without adding anything else or it doesnot function differently more advanced and that feature (could be icon, a process, a function, a shape) have a patent it could lead to something like Apple Samsung. Even those who have Samsung they admit its an exact copy of iPhone nothing more. The Patent System not only protects the right of the creator but leads to innovation and creativity which samsung lacks

Edited by trojan_market, Aug 27 2012, 9:32pm :

Astra.Xtreme said,
Justice was served and it sent a message out to anybody else that wants to play ball. I really don't know what your point is. Samsung was the biggest thief, so they wore the biggest target.

http://gizmodo.com/5938219/why...sung-ruling-may-not-hold-up

I like how convinced you are that the verdict was the correct one, use tacky phrases like "Justice was served" and pretend like there's no remaining doubt while denying you're a biased fanboy.

S3P€hR said,
There is nothing wrong with the patent system. basically if you copy a product or feature but enhance it that is clearly functions better than the original one or have more feature for every sub items, that is not a problem at all and is not against law.

Unfortunately you're wrong. http://arstechnica.com/tech-po...re-patents-they-dont-scale/

Edited by dr_crabman, Aug 27 2012, 9:19pm :

Astra.Xtreme said,

Samsung made a huge amount of money by stealing Apple's work. Probably more so than any other company, so of course they are going to attack them first. They were awarded $1B+, so I'd say all the time and effort was worth it on their end. Justice was served and it sent a message out to anybody else that wants to play ball. I really don't know what your point is. Samsung was the biggest thief, so they wore the biggest target.

Technically, you're right, but Apple abuses the patent system by patenting overly vague items. It's like patenting pants. "They all have two legs, so they must be the same."

Samsung wasn't even allowed to show that Apple had taken previous design cues from other products. Apparently you haven't actually looked pictures of what went to trial on in the first place.

tsupersonic said,
Oh God, yet another ignorant Apple fanboy...Do you guys seriously think that all consumers think that iPhone is the best phone for everyone? Perhaps these people legitimately bought those devices because they were what they wanted from a mobile device? The US patent system is in a severely messed up state, and Apple just used that to its advantage. Of course, Apple fanboys see this as a victory, and yet again can't see the whole picture.

this story is old, check out groklaw - the jury dropped the ball. Rule 50(b) motion by Samsung for 2.283M of intended damages for a non-infringing item they had to 'fix' may be (should be) enough to toss the whole thing.... gizmodo has it on its front page now too.

It isn't quite like that. He may disagree with the jury but as it was a jury decision he has to go with it. Unless one of the parties can convince the court to make the overall decision.

Extremely unlikely, but it's the standard first step. The full appeal will already be going ahead or at least in the planning stages, if it wasn't on the cards for the past few months anyway.