Author: 50 years from now, we'll remember Gates, not Jobs

Malcolm Gladwell, the bestselling author of books like The Tipping Point: How Little Things Make a Big Difference and Outliers: The Story of Success, says that 50 years from now there'll be statues of Bill Gates across the third world, and people will be asking, "who was Steve Jobs?" That's not to say that Gates is perfect; Gladwell is quick to point out that Gates, like Jobs, was "the most ruthless of capitalists" during his tenure at Microsoft.

Of course Gladwell thinks that's a good thing - it's important, he says, that great businessmen be amoral (not immoral, mind you), willing to do what's best for business, setting aside personal qualms and worldly squabbles. That's important to remember that when we're celebrating great entrepreneurs.

Because of this, Gladwell says that in 50 years no one will remember Steve Jobs, or even Microsoft, for that matter. What they will remember is Bill Gates, not as a businessman, but as a hero. Gladwell spoke at the Toronto Public Library about entrepreneurs and the balance between morality and business.

Gates is the most ruthless capitalist, and then he wakes up one morning and he says, 'enough.' And he steps down, he takes his money, he takes it off the table. I firmly believe that 50 years from now, he will be remembered for his charitable work, no one will even remember what Microsoft is. And of the great entrepreneurs of this era people will have forgotten Steve Jobs. Who's Steve Jobs again? There will be statues of Gates across the third world.

Even though Gladwell doesn't think many people will remember Steve Jobs or his accomplishment, he still praises Jobs as a businessman, and uses his career as an example of why it's usually not best to be first. He uses Xerox, Lycos and Friendster as examples of companies that were first but ultimately fizzled. It's still nice to be first-ish, though.

So what do you think? Will people remember Gates and forget Jobs 50 years from now? Or have Jobs' supporters (and Jobs himself) firmly established his legacy? And is it fair to criticize Jobs for not being as charitable as Gates, after his life was cut so tragically short?

Check out the full video of Gladwell's talk below. He discusses Gates at about 9:30, and Steve Jobs at 16:20. It's a bit of a long haul, but all in all pretty interesting stuff.

Via: The Verge

Source: Toronto Public Library (YouTube)

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Funny now that the "cool" crowd has moved from hating microsoft to hating apple in just 5 years. Anyone want to predict who the cool kids will hate next?

In 50 years we will remember Steve Fail Jobs for: Being a patent bully,Money gouger and for making apple and his successor(s) even worse than he was and making apple even greedier than before. Gates will be remembered forever as he was everything Fail Jobs was not and more.

Speak for yourself. I like Apple a whole lot better than I like Microsoft ever since I bought my Mid Year 2010 Mac Mini and joined the Mac Developer Program. For $198 per year ($99 for IOS, $99 for Mac, Safari is Free) I get to test Beta's like tomorrow's IOS 6.0, tomorrow's Mountain Lion New Build (if there is one), and tomorrow's Apple Safari 5.2.0 New Build (If there is one).

Yeah.... last time I checked, "Apple" products aren't "Sold" in third world countries because.. well, they cant "Afford" the smug sense of entitlement.

The Gates Foundation however will not only live beyond gates, but has done a LOT to help out third world countries, and will be remembered.

50 years from now, Steve Jobs will have been dead for 51 years and so many people born between now and then probably won't know who he was. On the hand, it's possible that Bill Gates will still be alive (or at least not long dead). After all, he's only 56.
It's difficult to imagine that his fame will significantly diminish while he is alive; both his charitable giving and his position on the world rich list continue to make him famous.

Don't talk about stolen technology........ haven't you seen the movie the starting up of Microsoft and Apple ? They both bought their respective OS's off someone else.
Its just that Gates was the smarter (and luckier) of the two !

Caveman-ugh said,
Don't talk about stolen technology........ haven't you seen the movie the starting up of Microsoft and Apple ? They both bought their respective OS's off someone else.
Its just that Gates was the smarter (and luckier) of the two !

People should understand that "Pirates of silicon valley" was a movie, it wasn't 100% true.

What accomplishments has steve jobs made there are none? I would say he'll be remembered for being the ******* that flooded the world with cookie cutter iphone and shitpads.

BS, Jobs will always be remembered. He changed the world!
Who is Gates? oh thats right...bluescreens, crashes, viruses, stolen technology!

vladmihaelescu said,
BS, Jobs will always be remembered. He changed the world!
Who is Gates? oh thats right...bluescreens, crashes, viruses, stolen technology!

What the hell!!! OSX is so crash oriented I often find myself wanting to blow my brains out. OSX pretends it hasnt crashed but there is often no way to fix it unless you do a hard reset. Also stolen technology?!?!?!? You do know that OSX and iOS for that matter are just pretty interfaces atop a BSD core right? Windows was built from the ground up. I really think you need some history before putting up such a simple and negative view of MS.

Iridium said,

Also stolen technology?!?!?!? You do know that OSX and iOS for that matter are just pretty interfaces atop a BSD core right? Windows was built from the ground up.

Just for the record, Windows was born out of DOS, which was not built by the ground up - at least not by MS. Not that there's anything wrong with that, just pointing it out

vladmihaelescu said,
BS, Jobs will always be remembered. He changed the world!
Who is Gates? oh thats right...bluescreens, crashes, viruses, stolen technology!

Not sure if sarcasm or just plain stupid.

Not wanting to use a search engine because any idiot can do that, but didnt ms license the original code to run on 16 bit processor and then they built MS-DOS with that? Also i dont think Apple licensed BSD. They just took the pretty much feature complete kernel and stuck a pretty interface on it and symlinked 80% of the FHS to make it look good to the end user.

vladmihaelescu said,
BS, Jobs will always be remembered. He changed the world!
Who is Gates? oh thats right...bluescreens, crashes, viruses, stolen technology!

I'm sorry that I need to be the one informing you instead of your doctor but your probably have brain cancer, eating away your braincells

vladmihaelescu said,
BS, Jobs will always be remembered. He changed the world!

Lol...Lets look at this logically. Take away the ipod, iphone and ipad and is the world a worse off place?

Maybe just for apple fans...

rippleman said,
Jobs? Gates? Phhhss, the only name you need to remember is Mr.Norris. First name Chuck.

Oh, grow up.
That is not funny or clever one bit, if anything its anti-funny / anti-clever.

Steve jobs did not create anything from scratch he simply made it easier so people without great minds can use it. Well if you ask me Dennis Ritchie(c and unix creator) is > Steve jobs(mac and ios creator which run on unix).
as in person i never met any of them but what i know and see everywhere Bill Gates >Steve Jobs.
Being genius is not going to get you at the top.

sat2012 said,
Steve jobs did not create anything from scratch he simply made it easier so people without great minds can use it. Well if you ask me Dennis Ritchie(c and unix creator) is > Steve jobs(mac and ios creator which run on unix).
as in person i never met any of them but what i know and see everywhere Bill Gates >Steve Jobs.
Being genius is not going to get you at the top.

Jobs wasn't even that, he was a sales person who gave ideas to the workers and said make it do this... Gates at least was a programmer who programmed his whole career even when running MS at the top level he still wrote some code

I take it from how my non-tech family and acquaintances are familiar with both of them. My Wife knows who Bill is because of Microsoft and Bill and Melinda's Foundation's charities and research grants. She had no idea who Stev Jobs was until I told her (and where she works, people do use Macs due to software availability - there are windows versions, but they usually are poorer versions).

The same goes for most of the people that I know and don't work in the tech field. Eventhough they may have an ipod or iphone, they have no clue as to who Jobs is. But everyone knows Gates. Either by his work at Microsoft or the Foundation.

Steve jobs was the Nicola Tesla to Eddisons Bill Gates... ask people who invented the AC system, oh that's eddision right? *hits head* Who put out the GUI OS for consumers first , oh Bill Gates right?

neufuse said,
Steve jobs was the Nicola Tesla to Eddisons Bill Gates... ask people who invented the AC system, oh that's eddision right? *hits head* Who put out the GUI OS for consumers first , oh Bill Gates right?

Nah! For people here, no body knows the GUI thing, just that Bill Gates 'makes' windows him self.

WaqasTariq said,

Nah! For people here, no body knows the GUI thing, just that Bill Gates 'makes' windows him self.

well Bill Gates is a master glazer *lol*

neufuse said,
Steve jobs was the Nicola Tesla to Eddisons Bill Gates... ask people who invented the AC system, oh that's eddision right? *hits head* Who put out the GUI OS for consumers first , oh Bill Gates right?

Sorry, but it's the other way around Bill Gates was the Nicola Tesla to Eddisons Steve jobs

Well, we know that author's preferences. I'm gonna guess the only certainty is that in 50 years we won't know who Malcolm Gladwell is. Hell, I don't even know who he is now.

I'm sure Gates will be remembered 50 years from now, but how? That is the question. Other names from 50 years ago: Dwight Eisenhower, Joseph Stalin, Golda Meir, Adlai Stevenson, John Watson, and David Sarnoff.

if one will be remember in the long term it's definitely Gates simply because his name is affiliated with 'the computer' since damn near everyone who uses a computer is basically using something tied back to Gates basically.

Jobs on the other hand is mostly for iPod/iPhone and the like which might eventually fade as i can't see those being as remembered as Windows is in the long term and have not been around nearly as long as Windows has. but who knows, maybe in another decade or two if Apple keeps up it's general image it could possibly get into Gates territory.

or even look at it like this... the PC revolution (which is obviously one of the biggest impacts on the world over the last decade or two) is basically Microsoft and Microsoft is tied to Gates name.

ThaCrip said,

or even look at it like this... the PC revolution (which is obviously one of the biggest impacts on the world over the last decade or two) is basically Microsoft and Microsoft is tied to Gates name.

what revolution? PC improvements havent come to an almost crippling halt? My PC is 3 years old (except for minor upgrades) and still runs like a charm, altho the most recent games cant be played on highest specs no more. but before i had to do some big upgrades to keep the speed up, better CPU, new GFX card, more RAM etc.
Only things i added to this one was, new GFX and bigger HDDs
i already know when i will buy a new pc later this year, i wont have to upgrade for YEARS to come. even think of going a bit overboard on cost and it'll probably (hopefully) last a lifetime.

Shadowzz said,

what revolution? PC improvements havent come to an almost crippling halt? My PC is 3 years old (except for minor upgrades) and still runs like a charm, altho the most recent games cant be played on highest specs no more. but before i had to do some big upgrades to keep the speed up, better CPU, new GFX card, more RAM etc.
Only things i added to this one was, new GFX and bigger HDDs
i already know when i will buy a new pc later this year, i wont have to upgrade for YEARS to come. even think of going a bit overboard on cost and it'll probably (hopefully) last a lifetime.

the reason you can still play games is simply because consoles dictate the PC market and your current PC will probably still hold strong until the next generation of consoles arrive in which case it will start all over again with your PC being outdated (gaming wise) fairly quick and will start requiring monster PC's again.

but i would estimate anything in decent the 'core 2 duo' or better of CPU's is probably still OK enough for gaming as once CPU's hit a comfortable level to where they are noticeably over the current generation of consoles you can typically use it for gaming without it being outdated/slow pretty quickly and with the XBox360 being 2005 most anything semi-recent in PC's is more than enough to comfortably run games at a decent frame rate.

but about a month ago i upgraded from a 6 year old PC and it was a big upgrade (basically it's at least 3 times faster and maybe as high as 5 times or so based on x264 video encoding tests i was doing which tax CPU well) for only $230 (i3-2120 CPU/8GB of RAM/ASUS P8H61-M LX Plus Rev3.0 board) and i am using my 2 year old Radeon 5670 512MB and i can run games fine now as my GPU is the limiting factor for me now in terms of games where as before it was the CPU. but with that upgrade ill be good for years for general use and even gaming wise should be 'good enough' at least until the next generation of consoles arrive as i might need a GPU upgrade eventually but besides that i am sure my CPU will be plenty for a while. a game like Max Payne 3, which just came out early this month, runs pretty well on my PC especially considering my graphics card is nothing fancy (Radeon 5670, which in NVIDIA terms is almost a Geforce 9800GT, or noticeably better than the Geforce 8800 line) but i can keep graphics pretty much on 'high' @ 1920x1080 and still keep a solid frame rate as even the worst times i don't have trouble aiming and quite a few levels on the game run fairly smooth to. but that's the problem with PC games as some games are actually properly coded, like Max Payne 3, while others are crappy ports which tends to require more PC power to run and with consoles usually being #1 priority of most game devs nowadays the PC gets the shaft more often than not but you still find games actually coded properly for PC occasionally like Mafia II/Max Payne 3 and Hitman 5, which Hitman 5 is due Nov 20th of this year.

plus when i said PC revolution i meant that PC's/internet have become common household items which not all that long ago not many people had. the internet/pc's have only been mainstream for roughly 12-14 years now as i would say it was roughly 1998-2000 when PC's really started getting mainstream which comes back to the whole thing with Bill Gates and Microsoft since Bill Gates name is synonymous with 'computer' since basically everyone who owns a PC is basically using Windows.

Edited by ThaCrip, Jun 10 2012, 2:20pm :

I guess it's a bit like Disney. Do most people only remember Walt Disney because he called his company "The Walt Disney Company"? If the answer to that is "yes", then I can see this author's point.

We'll remember Jobs for making a cult of out of consumerism. Gates will be remembered for his humanitarian efforts.

I'll take the latter, por favor.

I am from the third world,
My mom knows who Bill Gates is and how charitable he is, does not know Steve Jobs.
My wife knows who Bill Gates is, does not know Steve Jobs.

Mom did 10th grade 3 decades back
Wife did Inter (12th grade?) 5 years back

From my prospective I think may be the guy is right. We here, normally associate Bill Gates with windows, and give examples of him how he struggled and made his wealth (in stories truths are bent) when in groups and when there is a discussion, most people idealize him here.

I defiantly see the similarities between Jobs and Edison, they both took other peoples ideas made small improvements, marketed them, then claimed that it was their idea in the first place.

dfuk said,
I defiantly see the similarities between Jobs and Edison, they both took other peoples ideas made small improvements, marketed them, then claimed that it was their idea in the first place.

Jobs had a vision, Edison only vision was $..................

Fritzly said,

Jobs had a vision, Edison only vision was $..................


Jobs wasnt? What was he doing with that pile of cash Steve was sitting on that Thomas could only dream off?

So if we use Tesla/Edison as an example. Jobs will be remembered as the father of PC's while Gates will fade into obscurity only remembered for his mug shot and commercials with Seinfeld.

TheReasonIFailed said,
So if we use Tesla/Edison as an example. Jobs will be remembered as the father of PC's while Gates will fade into obscurity only remembered for his mug shot and commercials with Seinfeld.

Jobs father of PCs? Ha! Is that an oxymoron?

gawicks said,

Jobs father of PCs? Ha! Is that an oxymoron?


Well, Jobs is one of the fathers of the PC, but so is Gates, and Gates even more so. Gates is the one who got PC's into the households, not Jobs. The vast and giant majority of the population had no PC untill Win3.1, Win95/Win98 and even WinXP. Except a few, they never even met DOS or any GUI-less computer for that matter.
They will both be remembered. Thing is. Gates will be more, just because of Windows, Office, IE (or in lamersterm, 'that blue e thingy'). But also because of Xbox, Windows mobile/phone, keyboards, mouses. His charity work, his fast wealth, being the richest man on earth by far for over a decade...

I think Gates will "win out" in the long run. He's essentially the archtype "computer nerd" and the embodiment of Microsoft.

Considering how most people consider a PC in it's entirety to be "Windows", I imagine once the allure of Apple's products wane, Jobs will be forgotten to all but the current generations.

I think so. Jobs's inventions will be seen in the same light of the walkman and the VCR. who invented those? Whereas Gates will be remembered as a big contributor to world health and the PC revolution.

But ultimately both figures will never really reach the status of the giants like Edison, Ford, Wright brothers, and others that trully changed the world in basic ways.

sorry but that iphone ain't no plane.

neonspark said,
I think so. Jobs's inventions will be seen in the same light of the walkman and the VCR. who invented those? Whereas Gates will be remembered as a big contributor to world health and the PC revolution.

But ultimately both figures will never really reach the status of the giants like Edison, Ford, Wright brothers, and others that trully changed the world in basic ways.

sorry but that iphone ain't no plane.

What neonspark said...

neonspark said,
I think so. Jobs's inventions will be seen in the same light of the walkman and the VCR. who invented those? Whereas Gates will be remembered as a big contributor to world health and the PC revolution.

But ultimately both figures will never really reach the status of the giants like Edison, Ford, Wright brothers, and others that trully changed the world in basic ways.

sorry but that iphone ain't no plane.


however everyone knows the VCR was Philips and the Walkman Sony's
Also, Henry Ford did not invent the car, he invented the production/assembly lines

The author most be delusional. We still remember who invented the light bulb, the telephone, the printing press, cars, etc. Microsoft/Gates will always be remembered as the company that helped drive the PC revolution in bring PC's to non power users. Apple/Jobs will always be remembered as the company that brought us smart phones and tablets to non power users. Sure, it will just be another short chapter in the history books for the information age but it will still be taught. The Gates/Job combo is about as inseparable as Edison and Tesla.

ILikeTobacco said,
The author most be delusional. We still remember who invented the light bulb, the telephone, the printing press, cars, etc. Microsoft/Gates will always be remembered as the company that helped drive the PC revolution in bring PC's to non power users. Apple/Jobs will always be remembered as the company that brought us smart phones and tablets to non power users. Sure, it will just be another short chapter in the history books for the information age but it will still be taught. The Gates/Job combo is about as inseparable as Edison and Tesla.

And before the trolls and fanboys show up, nobody is claiming either of them were the first to bring it, they were just the first to bring it in a way that the masses excepted it on a grand scale.

ILikeTobacco said,
Apple/Jobs will always be remembered as the company that brought us smart phones and tablets to non power users. Sure, it will just be another short chapter in the history books for the information age but it will still be taught.

Your example is not quite correct. Mention the Model T Ford and almost everyone has an idea what it was and who invented it. Mention the Bugatti and only a certain section of the population will know about it.

When it comes to phones (smart or otherwise) Alexander Graham Bell will be remembered.

The Gunslinger said,

Your example is not quite correct. Mention the Model T Ford and almost everyone has an idea what it was and who invented it. Mention the Bugatti and only a certain section of the population will know about it.

When it comes to phones (smart or otherwise) Alexander Graham Bell will be remembered.

What about Antonio Meucci?.........................
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Meucci

For me it's enough that Gates isn't an arrogant douche, doesn't own Reventon, doesn't sniff coke and doesn't have a golden airbus. That puts him well above many in my list.

Steve Jobs created hypes with beautiful and good products. I still don't get why people think he made that much of an impact on our daily lifes.

Ok, he started the phone and tablet war.

Gates has done heck of a lot more for charity etc. I personally favor Gates above Jobs.

(Don't think I'm a Apple-hater :-) I have a MacBook Pro )

Jarrichvdv said,
Steve Jobs created hypes with beautiful and good products. I still don't get why people think he made that much of an impact on our daily lifes.

Ok, he started the phone and tablet war.

You evidently don't know **** about history. There would be no PC if it weren't for Jobs. Woz had zero business sense, and it took the two of them to launch Apple into the market. Then Allen, Gates, and Blamer came along with DOS. and knew they needed the Zerox type GUI that Apple had. Gates talked Jobs into giving him a prototype so he could "write software for it", however Gates and crew stole the GUI and windows 3.1 was born. So the author is wrong that Jobs won't be remembered. If he isn't remembered, it will be because of people like you that don't know the facts. Go watch the Pirates of Silicon Valley and you'll know what I'm talking about. Noah Wyle plays Jobs, it's a pretty good move. My college instructor made us watch it during our dbase programming class.

Gates has done heck of a lot more for charity etc. I personally favor Gates above Jobs.

(Don't think I'm a Apple-hater :-) I have a MacBook Pro )

TrollH8TR said,

Lol someone copy pasted the story of "Pirates of silicon valley". And Everybody knows it was 100% truth

Jarrichvdv said,
Steve Jobs created hypes with beautiful and good products. I still don't get why people think he made that much of an impact on our daily lifes.

Ok, he started the phone and tablet war.

Gates has done heck of a lot more for charity etc. I personally favor Gates above Jobs.

(Don't think I'm a Apple-hater :-) I have a MacBook Pro )

Really the phone and tablet war?

I though the phone war was between ATT & MCI?
Or do you mean the smartphone, which was a war between Palm and the Microsoft PocketPC?

The tablet war, was this in Greece 2500 years ago?
Or was this the Mead and 3M war?

Ok, those two were silly, cause the Tablet war was really RAND vs Stylator, right?
Are we just limiting this to your lifetime, which would be one of these wars:
Poqet vs GridPad?
PenWindows vs PenPoint?

Now, put this all in perspective, because Apple wasn't even involved in the forming of the technologies or even involved in any substantial modern tablet war.

There is a good chance that the iPad will not be technically remembered as a true tablet, as it doesn't provide 'writing' beyond finger painting, which will put it in the footnotes of a good article on whatever does replace it.

PenWindows and other technologies were BIG 20 years ago, and adopted in a lot of corporate industries that created a lot of sales and created the business Tablet computer markets.

And yet it is easily forgotten that it even existed and what it provided.

(Pen Windows was literally deployed on NASA Shuttle missions and even used on the ISS. It was widely used in the medical industry and even was used on GM's Delco assembly line.

It was NOT an 'obscure' product, and it impacted the world. If you have seen or driven a GM car made in the 1993-2003 timeframe, the Dash electronics were created and tested using Pen Windows computers. So it has touch the life of MOST people here directly.

So what are the chances that things we see today, even Apple branded products will be remembered in 20 years?

Even now try this without going to wiki or Google/Bing - 20 years ago, what was the best Apple Mac to buy? Or what was the best Apple product 30 years ago?

Heck, even this one - what was Apple's software company's name? (Hint it was used again as the slogan for Lion Server just 3 years ago, and I bet that don't even help people answer the question.)

Edited by thenetavenger, Jun 8 2012, 8:33pm :

simrat said,

Lol someone copy pasted the story of "Pirates of silicon valley". And Everybody knows it was 100% truth

Prove that the facts in the movie are false, and post references. I'll do the same, then we'll see who's right..

People will remember Gates since almost everybody uses Windows on a daily basis. Not everybody uses an Apple product every day, but he will still be remembered as the one who jump-started the MP3 player, smart phone, PC (to an extent), etc.

Rockefeller and Carnegie have been dead for 50-100 years and everybody still knows who they are and what they did.

Everybody use windows on a daly basis today. Things might change 50 years from now.

Remember the good old days where every computers had to be IBM compatible even when there was nothing made by IBM inside them?

Astra.Xtreme said,
People will remember Gates since almost everybody uses Windows on a daily basis. Not everybody uses an Apple product every day, but he will still be remembered as the one who jump-started the MP3 player, smart phone, PC (to an extent), etc.

Rockefeller and Carnegie have been dead for 50-100 years and everybody still knows who they are and what they did.

I'm pretty sure if you took people from 16-35 years of age you would find almost everyone owns an Apple product or has at some point, iPod, iPad, iMac, iPhone, MacBook etc...

Astra.Xtreme said,
People will remember Gates since almost everybody uses Windows on a daily basis. Not everybody uses an Apple product every day, but he will still be remembered as the one who jump-started the MP3 player, smart phone, PC (to an extent), etc.

Rockefeller and Carnegie have been dead for 50-100 years and everybody still knows who they are and what they did.

Steve Jobs will be remembered like Andy Warhol or Alfred Hitchcock. An eccentric, charismatic perfectionist.

Sonne said,

I'm pretty sure if you took people from 16-35 years of age you would find almost everyone owns an Apple product or has at some point, iPod, iPad, iMac, iPhone, MacBook etc...

Right, but they might not heavily use all of that. I own quite a few Apple products, but the only one I use on a daily basis is my iPhone. I use Windows every single day unless I'm on vacation or something. Windows is basically a computer necessity, whereas Apple products are more niche and trend related.

Astra.Xtreme said,
People will remember Gates since almost everybody uses Windows on a daily basis. Not everybody uses an Apple product every day, but he will still be remembered as the one who jump-started the MP3 player, smart phone, PC (to an extent), etc.

Rockefeller and Carnegie have been dead for 50-100 years and everybody still knows who they are and what they did.

'Jump started', as in conned people into thinking he created them?

Ya, history is not quite so kind about this type of marketing manipulation. If this is the legacy of Apple, and Jobs, it will not be favorable.

People also don't seem to realize how fickle society is in remembering people or things that are important. There are people and things that created massive changes in the world in the lifetime of most of the readers here, and if polled without Wiki or Google/Bing to help them, people wouldn't have a clue who or what these things were.

Literally big stuff in the last 20-30 years is already forgotten.

Sonne said,

I'm pretty sure if you took people from 16-35 years of age you would find almost everyone owns an Apple product or has at some point, iPod, iPad, iMac, iPhone, MacBook etc...

Ya, probably not...

The world is big, and even in the USA this 'guesstimate' isn't accurate.

Even in large population - technology advancing societies, Apple is not well known. I'm not sure if this is a just a youth thing, western thing, or ignorance, but the USA and EU are not the majority of the population on this Earth.

thenetavenger said,

'Jump started', as in conned people into thinking he created them?

Ya, history is not quite so kind about this type of marketing manipulation. If this is the legacy of Apple, and Jobs, it will not be favorable.

Why do people act as if Apple and Jobs had some sort of mind control ray that tricked people into liking their iStuffs? Marketing manipulation? How so? Every commercial is like everyone else's commercial. Here's our product. Here is someone using our product. We think ours is better.

Is it hard to believe that there is this company out there that makes stuff that people like using?

The world is big, and even in the USA this 'guesstimate' isn't accurate.

I can tell that you don't get out much. I would say that Sonne's guesstimate is pretty spot on except for the iMac, and Macbook part. I interface with a lot of people from all over the US, and I see so many iPods, iPads, and iPhones being used that I'm starting to think that Apple is just giving them away.

thenetavenger said,

Ya, probably not...

The world is big, and even in the USA this 'guesstimate' isn't accurate.

Even in large population - technology advancing societies, Apple is not well known. I'm not sure if this is a just a youth thing, western thing, or ignorance, but the USA and EU are not the majority of the population on this Earth.

we are about 800million people!
altho indeed, compared to india and china its not much ;p
but we care less about those countries, then those countries care about what we do, have, invent and what not

Vice said,
I'm pretty sure I have enough brain capacity to remember them both.

In 50 years? Good luck with that, I'll be 85 and would be happy if I can still remember my own name.

dr_crabman said,

In 50 years? Good luck with that, I'll be 85 and would be happy if I can still remember my own name.

lol funny. yeah. I don't expects any kid born today to even know who steve jobs was unless they read a computer history book. iphone and ipad just aren't the type of invention that rivals something like electricity, the car, the plane, or other basic technologies that changed the course of history. jobs merely tweaked things and had good taste. inmortality demands higher things.

I'll probably remember Steve Jobs more simply because people couldn't stop talking about him, even those that don't like Apple or Jobs. Bill Gates will always be the "good guy" in our minds, but people like controversy, and Jobs certainly did great in creating it as he shared his vision over the years.

Also, the general population has a really short attention span, and Gates stepped down a while back.

neonspark said,

lol funny. yeah. I don't expects any kid born today to even know who steve jobs was unless they read a computer history book. iphone and ipad just aren't the type of invention that rivals something like electricity, the car, the plane, or other basic technologies that changed the course of history. jobs merely tweaked things and had good taste. inmortality demands higher things.


dont think many people know the names of who invented the car, locomotive, steam engine etc. the Wright brothers, Albert Einstein are few of the names the general population knows

ccoltmanm said,
I don't think we will be saying "who was Jobs" but I think gates will be remembered better. He has a bigger impact.

Do you know who "Thomas J. Watson" was?? Not unless you google search it!!
People won't remember a successful business man for long.

still1 said,

Do you know who "Thomas J. Watson" was?? Not unless you google search it!!
People won't remember a successful business man for long.

I thought Jobs was the new Edison? Everyone knows Edison

THolman said,

I thought Jobs was the new Edison? Everyone knows Edison

Yeah, I think the unfavorable stories are pretty similar too. lol

dead.cell said,

Screw Edison! Tesla is where it's at!

Exactly, one of the greatest genius ever............ and we know just a fraction of what he discover and imagined............

THolman said,

I thought Jobs was the new Edison? Everyone knows Edison

Yeah, Jobs invented a lot of things, like the phone, wedge shaped laptops, carbon-based life, multi-touch, sliding to unlock, electricity, graphical user interface, typography, etc. The man is an absolute genius!