Ballmer: 9 out of 10 copies of Windows in China are pirated

Steve Ballmer, CEO of Microsoft, met this week with a number of high ranking government officials, including United States president Obama, and Chinese president Hu Jintao, according to NetworkWorld.com.

Ballmer raised some concerns with Hu, discussing how only 1 in every 10 copies of Windows in China is legit. Microsoft estimates that 90% of China uses some form of pirated software on their computer, with over half of the countries residents still using Windows XP and Internet Explorer 6 - a claim which is backed up by StatsCounter.com.

With over 84% of Chinese users still running Windows XP and over 50% using Internet Explorer 6, Microsoft addresses the concern that these users may be at risk of worms, trojans, spyware and other malicious software running on their computers. The reason for China still running dated software on their computers is because of piracy. Some users are too afraid to upgrade, in case they can't bypass the security system on the operating system.

Although the direct quote from Ballmer was not released, a transcript from the White House quoted Obama raising the concerns from Steve Ballmer.

"We're making progress on making sure that the government procurement process in China is open and fair to American businesses. And we've made progress as a consequence of this state visit.

"Some of it has to do with intellectual property protection. So we were just in a meeting with business leaders, and Steve Ballmer of Microsoft pointed out that their estimate is that only 1 customer in every 10 of their products is actually paying for it in China. And so can we get better enforcement, since that is an area where America excels -- intellectual property and high-value added products and services."

Microsoft has been battling piracy for years in America, and has gained tremendous ground in the market.

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I realize there are people in the USA who can't afford Windows. Even tho we consider it cheap. Its cheap only if you ahve enough money to make it. if you don't then other things are more important.

@ Adi Dusa

I admire your research mate. Here I can purchase pirated copy for 0.50$ but if it is available at 10$ then I would like to purchase a legit copy.

There are two main aspects of all this software piracy / software price discussion:
1. everyone needs to understand that 1$ has very different values across the world (money itself has exactly ZERO value everywhere; it's what you can buy with them that defines the value)
2. a software product is different than a hardware product and should be treated differently in terms of distribution/pricing

1. A Windows license is maybe cheap in US, but expensive in other countries at the same price. This is due to the different levels of purchasing power in different parts of the world. So, for some (most) people, Windows is really expensive. On top of that, when spending one's income, we always prioritize the things we spend our money on based on importance: first the basic needs like food, rent and so on and then the others. Software usually comes somewhere at the end of the list, and if you don't make a lot of money, there will be little or nothing left by the time you get to it.

2. Someone said here that developers need to eat. Really?... (just joking... ). Yes, they need to eat. And they are usually well paid for their work. This means a software company needs to generate a lot of income to cover for all expenses and get a profit too. Microsoft is not doing so bad, and if you need a confirmation just google "Bill Gates fortune" to see just a part from Microsoft's profit over the years.
Now think about this: let's say Microsoft sells 100 million copies of Windows worldwide at an average price of 100$ (the numbers are fictious for the simplicity of the calculus; I said average price because there are different versions of Win priced differently). It cannot sell at different prices in different regions, because of the Internet (a software product can be transferred across borders), so it has to use the same price all over the world. Now, if from the people using Win, only 10% use legit copies, this means there are 1 billion copies in use in this scenario and Microsoft gets 10 billion dollars from selling Win. If Microsoft sells Win for 10$, let's say 70% of the "pirates" would buy a legit copy. That means 800 million copies sold for 10$ each, which equals to 8 billion dollars revenue for Microsoft. It's 2 billion dollars less, but Microsoft can charge for support and cover it. It's just a matter of finding the right price that will change the ratio between legit and pirated copies without making Microsoft lose money. This "ideal" price depends on the following: a. how many "pirates" can be "converted" at a certain price level, b. how many users would need technical support and are willing to pay for it (while paying less for the product), c. what is the targeted profit (because we need to keep in mind that the actual investment in developing the product is finite - let's say 500 million $, which can be covered by selling 5 million copies for 100$ or 500 million copies for 1$ - for software the costs for distributing additional copies of the product are almost zero)

As a conclusion, I would not feel sorry about Microsoft/Ballmer/Gates being pirated as they really do not do anything to remove the (main) cause of the piracy and at the same time getting richer and richer in spite of all the pirates' efforts.
I believe that everybody would benefit from this type of pricing policy - Microsoft would maintain and consolidate their monopoly by having more legit users; the users would be able to use legit copies of Windows and maybe even upgrade them more often; the governments would have additional revenues from sale taxes on the legit copies of Win - this is true for the countries where the piracy rate is currently high (basically - the rich countries will get less sale taxes from software than now and the poorer ones will get more - in the worst case scenario).

This is just an idea. As I said, the numbers are not real, but i strongly believe that you can do some market researches and come up with a pricing based on this idea, that would change the rate of piracy while the software companies would still make money.

Even 90% seems conservative.
I would guess that its closer to 95-99%

Clearly it hasn't been affecting MS profits... Billy G is still one of the richest guys and MS is also right up there with billions of revenue.

Also at the people comparing it to cups of coffee etc.

Its just human nature to let small things accumulate, for example a person may indeed spend 2000$ on coffee and cigarettes ina year but its only a couple of dollars every time, compare that to instantly forking out 200$

Maybe thats an idea, when windows is cloud based they can make it a subscription fee of $2 a week or something.

Windows being cheap or not, but one thing is for sure that no price tag even 1 penny can beat something for free. Regardless of this much piracy MS revenue is in billions. So you can't say that MS developers are going hungry. MS accounting department already included all the costs, including revenue lost due to piracy, to the final price of product. Piracy in some sesnse is marketing tool for MS to keep their monopoly alive as it will still make their OS popular which will make legit users to pay for it. I already paid MS when I purchased computer and I don't want to keep paying them for the life of my computer. Now not everone wants to assemble their computer and there is no option to buy branded computer without OS preloaded.

It's because of Microsoft's pricing. They think every consumer in all country's have the same amount of money. For example, Philippines is a 3rd world country, I can live the entire month on $200 or less.

The Filipino people are not going to pay $200 for an OS OK. Period. No, I'm not lying; I checked the prices myself on the ground before.

so an Operating System that costs $100 for a home premium version, that you will use every day for a number of years is expensive?? lol some people on here are too funny.

-=SEDIN=- said,
so an Operating System that costs $100 for a home premium version, that you will use every day for a number of years is expensive?? lol some people on here are too funny.

Hum ... the price of Windows Home Premium is actually 200$.

jd100 said,
And every 10 of 10 versions of any Windows software is overpriced=stealing *real* money from customers.

No they arent.

bet steve is really upset about the minuscule amount he pays the same Chinese citizens to make his hardware too.

Not just China too, pretty much every third world country... well like in Vietnam of example, MOST of my relative's computers are pirated because it's simply too expensive to afford it, unless a company gives a free Windows license for them to work. If Microsoft wants to support poorer countries, they should definitely lower their prices or perhaps offer a subscription based service to use their OS.

Agreed, Im running a pirated Win7 on all 3 of my PC's but if they lowered their prices I would actually buy it...

Right now I would have to sell my arm and leg to get a legit copy... but Microsoft has always been greedy.

jrolson said,
Agreed, Im running a pirated Win7 on all 3 of my PC's but if they lowered their prices I would actually buy it...

Right now I would have to sell my arm and leg to get a legit copy... but Microsoft has always been greedy.

3 Home Premium Licenses for $125 too much??

-=SEDIN=- said,

3 Home Premium Licenses for $125 too much??

No it costs $177 per license on amazon.com, that's $531 total...
After rent, bills, ect. I only have $60 left in my bank account. Are you suggesting I rob a bank just to buy an OS?

-=SEDIN=- said,

3 Home Premium Licenses for $125 too much??


Buddy in countries like India and China, the average wage for a 'professional' (Doctors, software developers, and the like) is around $500 / month. With that people have to pay for food, shelter, loans and mortgages, support their aging parents (they don't have very good retirement plans), meet unforeseen expenses (they don't have very good insurance either), save for their kids' education etc. Compare that to the wage of a professional in say, the US, which would at least average around $4000 per month. Also, in said countries, there aren't many so called 'student jobs'. I know some folks who have a 3 year degree, and still work for a $150 / month wage. And these are just people who manage to keep their head above the water. There are millions more who struggle to afford 1 meal a day. Considering all this, is $125 too much you say? I would say yes.

jrolson said,

No it costs $177 per license on amazon.com, that's $531 total...
After rent, bills, ect. I only have $60 left in my bank account. Are you suggesting I rob a bank just to buy an OS?

I think you misunderstood what SEDIN was talking about, the Family Pack, 3 Licenses for $125.

recursive said,

Buddy in countries like India and China, the average wage for a 'professional' (Doctors, software developers, and the like) is around $500 / month. With that people have to pay for food, shelter, loans and mortgages, support their aging parents (they don't have very good retirement plans), meet unforeseen expenses (they don't have very good insurance either), save for their kids' education etc. Compare that to the wage of a professional in say, the US, which would at least average around $4000 per month. Also, in said countries, there aren't many so called 'student jobs'. I know some folks who have a 3 year degree, and still work for a $150 / month wage. And these are just people who manage to keep their head above the water. There are millions more who struggle to afford 1 meal a day. Considering all this, is $125 too much you say? I would say yes.

125/3= $42 per license. If you can afford at least a $400 computer then im sure you can spend extra $42 for a safer OS which will protect you and your files, which will also save you money from paying someone to "fix" your computer

-=SEDIN=- said,

125/3= $42 per license. If you can afford at least a $400 computer then im sure you can spend extra $42 for a safer OS which will protect you and your files, which will also save you money from paying someone to "fix" your computer


Yes, that's too much.

And we have same situation in Russia. Purchasing value of Russian rouble is a lot lower than US dollar.
But one copy of Windows 7 Ultimate (or Maximal how it's named here) cost 12000 rubles - $400. That's even more than in USA. With an average salary of 30000 p. - $1000 in Moscow.

Family Pack actually cost here 7100 p. - $240. So 240/3 = $80, not 42.

So now ask yourself - can you spend $960 (240 * $4000 / $1000) for Family Pack? That's adjusted for Moscow's purchasing power.
Now let's compare with China or rest of Russia. Average salary outside of Russia's regions with high and very high HDI (Moscow, Saint Petersburg, Tumen' and other oil/gold rich northern subjects) is 17000 p. - $560. So now ask yourself again - can you spend $1700!! (240 * $4000/$560) for that Family Pack?
Shanghai's average salary is $800. Some poor Chinese regions have average salary down to $200. Of course they can afford life, because local prices are adjusted. But they can't afford of buying foreign goods priced at US levels.

The problem tough isn't not under MS's control. It's laying deep inside of stupid US trading regulations. And Ballmer isn't stupid, so was openly saying - yeah use the pirated copy if you don't have money on license. He realize that once that thousands of millions will switch on something else it could kill entire MS business, because Windows won't be monopoly anymore. That's why activation protection was removed since Vista SP1.

That is the case, at least in Mainland China.

As a Chinese university student, what I can see is a large number of pirated copies of Windows, Office, games, Photoshop, AutoCAD, Gaussian, etc, in students' dormitory and even on computers for teachers to give lectures.

Darrian said,
What a coincidence. 9 out of 10 copies of Windows in the US are probably pirated, too.

OEM copies are most sold (a PC with Windows already on it)

aftas said,

OEM copies are most sold (a PC with Windows already on it)
It was a joke, lighten up. And I know what an effing OEM license is, but thanks for your brief explanation.

I think the most important thing for Microsoft (and the World) is to get these people off obsolete/insecure software. It can affect them, and perhaps more importantly, it could affect ME. An insecure computer can compromise an entire network so it's not just one individual.....there are 1.3 billion people in China and 1.1 billion of those are insecure well that's approx. 18% of the World's population potentially compromising other people. And this is just in China.....

ManOfMystery I think you are getting a little carried away with your figures since not EVERYONE who lives in china will have their own PC with windows on it.

ManOfMystery said,
I think the most important thing for Microsoft (and the World) is to get these people off obsolete/insecure software. It can affect them, and perhaps more importantly, it could affect ME. An insecure computer can compromise an entire network so it's not just one individual.....there are 1.3 billion people in China and 1.1 billion of those are insecure well that's approx. 18% of the World's population potentially compromising other people. And this is just in China.....

or a gaint botnet

Digitalx said,
charge too high for items and this is the end result.

Honestly, Windows doesn't cost that much. You can buy Win7 Professional for a $137 off newegg. If you look at the prices for other software like Visual Studio, Oracle 11g, and Photoshop.

zombieChan said,

Honestly, Windows doesn't cost that much. You can buy Win7 Professional for a $137 off newegg. If you look at the prices for other software like Visual Studio, Oracle 11g, and Photoshop.

The point is how much is W7 in China? What could be cheap in the US could be astronomical in other Countries. And this is where the real issue is:
US $137
China 13.7
People in richer markets would be screaming......

zombieChan said,

Honestly, Windows doesn't cost that much. You can buy Win7 Professional for a $137 off newegg. If you look at the prices for other software like Visual Studio, Oracle 11g, and Photoshop.

Fine in the US maybe... places like here in NZ it's $200-300+ at the cheapest

If Chines people are happy with pirated Windows XP and Internet explorer 6, let them be, why MS have care when they think of claim of users using pirated system ??

Windows XP is already out of market , so is IE6.

Contradictory statement from MS, as they want to care about Chinese users by saving them from malware and virus by switching them to Win 7 so that now they can sue them for using pirated software, since doing gaa gaa for pirated XP may not seem logical as its already back dated and soon to be out of support ???

dirtstyle said,
Maybe we could trade a few hundred million copies of Windows 7 for some of the debt we owe them? lol

No, but this might have something to do with why America doesn't take the debt we have with China seriously. The majority of "our" media, software and intellectual properties are pirated in China.

dirtstyle said,
Maybe we could trade a few hundred million copies of Windows 7 for some of the debt we owe them? lol

No, but this might have something to do with why America doesn't take the debt we have with China seriously. The majority of "our" media, software and intellectual properties are pirated in China.

I think that number is a lot larger than Ballmer is claiming. I would suspect that 1 in 1000 copies in China are legit. Counterfeiting is big business in China. With all the stores there that sell Windows, the majority of those are well replicated boot legs.

Everything in China is pirated. Now excuse me while I go to McRonalds for a bite to eat and maybe grab a coffee from Buckstars.

TRC said,
Everything in China is pirated. Now excuse me while I go to McRonalds for a bite to eat and maybe grab a coffee from Buckstars.

+1

TRC said,
Everything in China is pirated. Now excuse me while I go to McRonalds for a bite to eat and maybe grab a coffee from Buckstars.

I'd rather have a Koka Kola. (actually, isn't that how it is spelled in some countries?)

TRC said,
Everything in China is pirated. Now excuse me while I go to McRonalds for a bite to eat and maybe grab a coffee from Buckstars.
How about a Nckia phone?

Tuishimi said,

I'd rather have a Koka Kola. (actually, isn't that how it is spelled in some countries?)

Yea, most Eastern European countries. But meh, I think I'll better have a Фанта.

Well how can he expect things be different in china? Who in their right mind would spend months wages on software?

qdave said,
Well how can he expect things be different in china? Who in their right mind would spend months wages on software?

What human race are you a member of? Just look at smokers. There are plenty of cases where you can honestly say people spend more time in front of a computer than they do in front of a cigarette and more money on those cigarettes than they do on their computers.

There are constant examples of ridiculous things people are willing to spend a month's wages on. The difference, which is brought up constantly, and NEVER addressed by people who whine about the cost of Windows (it's the great point that they just apparently never notice, because I've never once seen a solid argument against it), is that you aren't spending those wages every single month. You buy Windows ONCE every 3-6 years, which translates to pennies a day.

Many people spend at least 50x that much on Starbucks in the states. There's bound to be a cultural equivalent in China, and even if it's only 1/50th the investment Starbucks is for us, that still gives you THE COST OF WINDOWS.

Joshie said,

What human race are you a member of? Just look at smokers. There are plenty of cases where you can honestly say people spend more time in front of a computer than they do in front of a cigarette and more money on those cigarettes than they do on their computers.

There are constant examples of ridiculous things people are willing to spend a month's wages on. The difference, which is brought up constantly, and NEVER addressed by people who whine about the cost of Windows (it's the great point that they just apparently never notice, because I've never once seen a solid argument against it), is that you aren't spending those wages every single month. You buy Windows ONCE every 3-6 years, which translates to pennies a day.

Many people spend at least 50x that much on Starbucks in the states. There's bound to be a cultural equivalent in China, and even if it's only 1/50th the investment Starbucks is for us, that still gives you THE COST OF WINDOWS.

Please send me roughly $180 ( or gift me on amazon.com ) for a new license to install win 7 pro on my pc. I am a student and can't afford starbucks and am using windows xp. Upgrade me PLEASE!

I can't afford much as I'm poorer then even most students. It's only a few pennies/day right?

Leroy Jethro Gibbs said,

Please send me roughly $180 ( or gift me on amazon.com ) for a new license to install win 7 pro on my pc. I am a student and can't afford starbucks and am using windows xp. Upgrade me PLEASE!

I can't afford much as I'm poorer then even most students. It's only a few pennies/day right?

AIB is a College i went to and they have windows 7 ultimate for $10 to all students. Also another college DMACC has Windows 7 for $10 as well.

Leroy Jethro Gibbs said,

Please send me roughly $180 ( or gift me on amazon.com ) for a new license to install win 7 pro on my pc. I am a student and can't afford starbucks and am using windows xp. Upgrade me PLEASE!

I can't afford much as I'm poorer then even most students. It's only a few pennies/day right?

If you're indeed a student, then go grab yourself a free legimit copy of Windows Server 08R2 at dreamspark.com

Field Commander A9 said,

If you're indeed a student, then go grab yourself a free legimit copy of Windows Server 08R2 at dreamspark.com

this isn't a server but a laptop. but i will check it out

Joshie said,

What human race are you a member of? Just look at smokers. There are plenty of cases where you can honestly say people spend more time in front of a computer than they do in front of a cigarette and more money on those cigarettes than they do on their computers.

There are constant examples of ridiculous things people are willing to spend a month's wages on. The difference, which is brought up constantly, and NEVER addressed by people who whine about the cost of Windows (it's the great point that they just apparently never notice, because I've never once seen a solid argument against it), is that you aren't spending those wages every single month. You buy Windows ONCE every 3-6 years, which translates to pennies a day.

Many people spend at least 50x that much on Starbucks in the states. There's bound to be a cultural equivalent in China, and even if it's only 1/50th the investment Starbucks is for us, that still gives you THE COST OF WINDOWS.

Yes I agree with you. +100,000. Let's look at cost. The lowest cost you will spend on Windows is $99. Before thsi week is out the following products will have at least that amount spent on them, cigarettes, alcohol, sex, legal and illegal drugs and more.

In China, these people also pay a lot of money for sex. Sex is a big deal in Chine. You think all those girls you see waling around have a job? Prositution is a big business in China. Don't they have Red Light districts? You ever see on YouTube and Google how long the lines are for guys buying sex? Why you think AIDS is so prevelent in China?

Sex is more important than your PC? They are to cheap to even wear condoms. How sad is that. It got to a point their own Prseident had children killed, mostly females. How sad is that?!!!

I'm with the eastern world when it comes to OS's. China, just like Russia and Turkey should make their own Linux OS that's freely distributable, to the Chinese (if they want to be closed) or to the world.

zikalify said,
I'm with the eastern world when it comes to OS's. China, just like Russia and Turkey should make their own Linux OS that's freely distributable, to the Chinese (if they want to be closed) or to the world.

in today's global market, especially for a country like china, it would be very, very unwise to close themselves off like that. countries practicing isolation-type economics and politics don't fare well. if china wants to rise to the top, they need to work with everybody else - something that they realized for some time now.

zikalify said,
I'm with the eastern world when it comes to OS's. China, just like Russia and Turkey should make their own Linux OS that's freely distributable, to the Chinese (if they want to be closed) or to the world.

Considering Putin issued a directive for the entire Russian government to use linux or open source eqivlanet. Also China has developed and pushing there Linux version, Red Flag Linux.

Good. By charging for the product Microsoft is in dishonor, they're basically saying people owe them something. "Pirates" FTW!!!

s1k3sT said,
Good. By charging for the product Microsoft is in dishonor, they're basically saying people owe them something. "Pirates" FTW!!!

So the people who spend their whole career with a 9-5 job should just release free stuff and not get any money in return to support themselves or their family? No matter how you twist it it's not right to take something that doesn't belong to you without paying.

Panda X said,

So the people who spend their whole career with a 9-5 job should just release free stuff and not get any money in return to support themselves or their family? No matter how you twist it it's not right to take something that doesn't belong to you without paying.

Maybe spending "their whole career with a 9-5 job" wasn't the best idea? Why refuse to work unless there's money to be "made"? Seems greedy and selfish imho...

Panda X said,

No matter how you twist it it's not right to take something that doesn't belong to you without paying.

I think it's you that's doing the twisting, but that's irrelevant...

So windows "belongs" to the people at Microsoft? Are they taking it with them when they die?

s1k3sT said,
Good. By charging for the product Microsoft is in dishonor, they're basically saying people owe them something. "Pirates" FTW!!!

Not sure I understand your POV. Why "are they in dishonor"? Windows is the product they produce for sale to consumers. If you take/use the product, you are expected to pay for it. Now, like someone else mentioned, I think MS could at least price it per country/economy, but that is their decision.

Tuishimi said,

Not sure I understand your POV. Why "are they in dishonor"? Windows is the product they produce for sale to consumers. If you take/use the product, you are expected to pay for it. Now, like someone else mentioned, I think MS could at least price it per country/economy, but that is their decision.

I don't really get his statement either. However, I think from Microsoft's perspective, the most important thing is to get Windows (and keep Windows) on every possible computer in China. It is really to are strategic interest to have them (i.e. Chinese government, education institutions, military, banks, corporations and everyday citizenry) running Windows, pirated or not. Microsoft can always sort this out later.

s1k3sT said,

I think it's you that's doing the twisting, but that's irrelevant...

So windows "belongs" to the people at Microsoft? Are they taking it with them when they die?


LOL, This I've gotta hear. So, Windows doesn't belong to Microsoft and their employees don't deserve to make an income, but Windows somehow belongs to you because you want to pirate it?

I don't think you understand the investment this software requires.

s1k3sT said,

Maybe spending "their whole career with a 9-5 job" wasn't the best idea? Why refuse to work unless there's money to be "made"? Seems greedy and selfish imho...

So basically... any job then?

What a lame statement.

Edited by shockz, Jan 22 2011, 10:09pm :

s1k3sT said,
Good. By charging for the product Microsoft is in dishonor, they're basically saying people owe them something. "Pirates" FTW!!!

I think I speak for all here when I say, go f yourself.

KavazovAngel said,

I think I speak for all here when I say, go f yourself.


While I agree 100% dont waste your time on such a person, they won't change their pov, are ignorant, and plain **** ass annoying.

s1k3sT said,

Why refuse to work unless there's money to be "made"? Seems greedy and selfish imho...

Yea, cause everything is free right? If you do/have (?) a job, would you do it without being payed? Please remember that if you do receive welfare payments from the Government, your basically sponging of the populations' hard work so it would be in your best interest to not tell everyone to work for free.

s1k3sT said,

Maybe spending "their whole career with a 9-5 job" wasn't the best idea? Why refuse to work unless there's money to be "made"? Seems greedy and selfish imho...

Sounds like someone is still in school and living at home with the parents, get back to me when you have to pay your own way.

s1k3sT said,

Maybe spending "their whole career with a 9-5 job" wasn't the best idea? Why refuse to work unless there's money to be "made"? Seems greedy and selfish imho...

I guess eating is selfish?

s1k3sT said,
Good. By charging for the product Microsoft is in dishonor, they're basically saying people owe them something. "Pirates" FTW!!!

Like I tell most pro-piracy folk, programmers need to eat too. If I didn't make money from programming, I wouldn't do it.

s1k3sT said,
Good. By charging for the product Microsoft is in dishonor, they're basically saying people owe them something. "Pirates" FTW!!!

Trolled, hard. Well played sir.

Please God tell me he's trolling, right?

s1k3sT said,
So windows "belongs" to the people at Microsoft? Are they taking it with them when they die?

So your car "belongs" to you? Are you taking it with you when you die?

Ill be around later to pick up the keys.

s1k3sT said,

I think it's you that's doing the twisting, but that's irrelevant...

So windows "belongs" to the people at Microsoft? Are they taking it with them when they die?

I really have no idea what you're trying to argue

Tuishimi said,
Why "are they in dishonor"?

Would you think I'm in dishonor if I accused you of owing me something because you read the comment I posted?

M_Lyons10 said,
So, Windows doesn't belong to Microsoft and their employees don't deserve to make an income, but Windows somehow belongs to you because you want to pirate it?

Why would you think that I'm claiming it belongs to me? "Possessions" are such a hassle...

Billus said,
Yea, cause everything is free right? If you do/have (?) a job, would you do it without being payed?

I only do what I do because I love what I do; there's no consideration.

Benjy91 said,
So your car "belongs" to you? Are you taking it with you when you die?

Ill be around later to pick up the keys.

Who says I claim to own a car? I hope you do come get the car I use; "possessions" are nothing but a hassle...

s1k3sT said,

Maybe spending "their whole career with a 9-5 job" wasn't the best idea? Why refuse to work unless there's money to be "made"? Seems greedy and selfish imho...
I use this excuse everytime I go and get a sandwich from the shop. The guy keeps telling me I need to pay, and I keep telling him that the people that made the sandwich shouldn't have gone in to that job if they wanted to be paid. They make it sound like I owe them for the sandwich they made for me, the nerve...

Intrinsica said,
I use this excuse everytime I go and get a sandwich from the shop. The guy keeps telling me I need to pay, and I keep telling him that the people that made the sandwich shouldn't have gone in to that job if they wanted to be paid. They make it sound like I owe them for the sandwich they made for me, the nerve...

If you read the comment I made you owe me a hundred million dollars...

Tuishimi said,

Not sure I understand your POV. Why "are they in dishonor"? Windows is the product they produce for sale to consumers. If you take/use the product, you are expected to pay for it. Now, like someone else mentioned, I think MS could at least price it per country/economy, but that is their decision.

$100 is to expensive? What is that in the Chinese Yen? Or whatever they use. The reasons we pay 3x's that cost on some versions is to pay for the theives. I don't think Microsoft is charging to much in any country.

I do agree when it was said, MSFT shoudl price in each country based on their denomination and make up for the lapse compared to the US Dollar.

In most asian countries they all still use XP. Its already cracked permanently and why they are still using IE6 is just stupid. IE7 is available free and to everyone.

Sure Vista and 7 is cracked too, but most of those chinese pc's aren't fast enough to run it. My wife is from the Philippines and they were using a custom box. They had XP and I believe it was cracked. I sent them a Dell that has a Dualcore Pentium D and 4GB of ram and put in a fancy Nvidia 8600 I think with Windows 7...legal.

Since most computers are made in China, I don't see why they need to pirate. They can't buy a PC with Windows on it from a local computer store?

China piarates not ebcause they can't afford Windows, they pirate because they are cheap.

dvb2000 said,
I bought a copy of Windows 7 Ultimate for $3 when I was there

Too costly, I can purchase them from here in less than 2$....Tell me how many you want..
They should expand their student packages of legit windows in many countries to reduce piracy.

TrOjAn. said,
Not sure of these comments of you will stay for a long time here

@To all of the above:
Hahahahahahahahah. You really made my day .