Ballmer says Microsoft will beat Google "someday"

According to an article on InfoWorld, Steve Ballmer seems pretty optimistic about catching Google in the search market. When asked if Microsoft will ever be number one in search, Ballmer responded:

"There's no good answer to this question. If you say yes you seem like you're arrogant, and if you say no it looks like you have no faith. So the answer is yes, someday."

It's no secret that Google dominates the world's search market. Even Microsoft can't deny Google's power. Ballmer also explains why this is the case. He states the obvious; Google just does search right. "The truth is, the number one thing Google benefits from is they did it right first."

Ballmer doesn't see Google as being undeserving of their search crown; he sees them as some sort of search role model. However, Ballmer doesn't feel Google is without faults, citing privacy and data retention as obvious flaws. Google may have done it right, but Microsoft won't let them continue their search dominance without a fight. While they may have a lot to learn from Google, Bing seems to be a step in the right direction. Microsoft's latest search effort is just part of their overall attempt to gain space in the vast ocean of search. Cashback is mentioned as a contributing factor to Bing's success.

Taking over Yahoo's searches will also help Microsoft push full steam ahead. When asked if Yahoo will survive as a search company once Microsoft jumps in, Ballmer replied, "growing overall search share is job number one, and we need them to be successful with us." He also gives a "guarantee" that search will be a growing part of Microsoft's future profits.

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I hope Google continues to dominate.
While MSN Search started much before Google did they never concentrated on making their search results great. MSN just concentrated on making money out of search. Who doesn't remember the days when the top few results for popular terms on MSN were really paid adverts. And to top it all, there was no prominent indication on the results to imply that it was paid!

Google was the first to offer free POP mail and large mailboxes. Hotmail used to delete your send mail after 30 days. Several people lost their precious data due to Hotmail's shenanigans.

Google made MSN change its ways. Without Google, Microsoft will be back to its greedy days.

i really don't think Google is needed to keep Microsoft in check, these days, a large vocal majority can keep Microsoft in check, word spreads on the web like wildfire when somebody, company does anything wrong.
didn't work that way more than a few years back.
the people have the power these days, who kept Google in check when it came to Buzz? the people that cared about privacy, that thought Buzz was functioning incorrectly kept them in check ;P

now Google is great in that they provide incentive to innovate, but i think Microsoft have learned their lesson when it came to them not innovating fast enough in the past

Edited by dingl_, Mar 3 2010, 7:39pm :

figgy said,
I hope Google continues to dominate.
While MSN Search started much before Google did they never concentrated on making their search results great. MSN just concentrated on making money out of search. Who doesn't remember the days when the top few results for popular terms on MSN were really paid adverts. And to top it all, there was no prominent indication on the results to imply that it was paid!

Google was the first to offer free POP mail and large mailboxes. Hotmail used to delete your send mail after 30 days. Several people lost their precious data due to Hotmail's shenanigans.

Google made MSN change its ways. Without Google, Microsoft will be back to its greedy days.


Yahoo and Altavista and more use(d) the same principles as MSN search did. Every search engine did this.

even GOOGLE does this. but they 'put it in a seperate table' so its not a search result
while the actual result of you seeing a few adds before the results your looking for REMAINS THE SAME.

Privacy? geez, you guys need to get out more... who the hell cares about what sites you been searching? I don't care if google keeps my search data for life.... how does it affect me at all? So what if you searching for porn, cake baking, and news from the far east? .... do you really care that a computer some where knows that once upon a time?

Like those crazy goverment wacks in UK too about google only keeping street view pics for 6 months instead of 12! Will it honestly be anything different in that 6 six months? Was there anything wrong with 12 months? or even 24?.... same argument from me on that one.... WHO CARES?

A Vancouver home owner was busted for illegal tree-cutting thanks to Google Street View.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/02/a-vancouver-home-owner-was.ars

regardless how when or who first reported it this, the street view photo sure doesn't help this guys situation ;P

and frankly, its not out of question having Google warn folks when they will be out and about taking photos, seems only right to me. so with that said, since you seem to be against Privacy, i'll be extra vocal about it myself, just because you can't be bothered, you lose ;)

well, scratch that, you win, even if you've yet to realize it

Edited by dingl_, Mar 3 2010, 7:45pm :

better link http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/01/29/bc-vancouver-trees-cut-google.html

and regardless, cutting may of been illegal, but one shouldn't have to look over their shoulder

artfuldodga said,
A Vancouver home owner was busted for illegal tree-cutting thanks to Google Street View.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/02/a-vancouver-home-owner-was.ars

regardless how when or who first reported it this, the street view photo sure doesn't help this guys situation ;P

What are the real chances this happens to me? A lot less than winning the lottery I guess. So should I be careful because, in reality, there is a 1 in... 50.000.000 chance that I am punished because google knows too much about me?

aristofeles said,

What are the real chances this happens to me? A lot less than winning the lottery I guess. So should I be careful because, in reality, there is a 1 in... 50.000.000 chance that I am punished because google knows too much about me?

It's that exact mentality "What are the chances this happens to me?" or "This doesn't effect me really." that are the problem

You wake up one day and your freedom and liberties are snatched away from you and you wonder what the hell happened when it's too damn late. Good going there.

aristofeles said,

What are the real chances this happens to me? A lot less than winning the lottery I guess. So should I be careful because, in reality, there is a 1 in... 50.000.000 chance that I am punished because google knows too much about me?

What if that 1 person is you? People do win jackpots every year and those odds are even worse than your odds of getting caught doing something. Have you even looked at the odds of winning the jackpots?

Edited by Jebadiah, Mar 3 2010, 8:12pm :

It's not about punishment its about standing up for your right to privacy. If you don't stand up for your rights then companies like Google will gradually take it away from you and then what? Then it's gone.

It has nothing to do with "hiding" and everything to do with illegitimate business practices.

Chicane-UK said,
I don't understand why Microsoft have to dominate every space they exist in. It's depressing frankly.

Creative software licensing. Bill Gates essentially invented it. Just an example of how they got to be the way they are.
http://news.wizworks.net/2008/09/this-is-why-microsoft-is-so-big.html

Edited by Serenity76, Mar 3 2010, 6:46pm :

Chicane-UK said,
I don't understand why Microsoft have to dominate every space they exist in. It's depressing frankly.

The competitive desire in the tech industry to be number one is why there's a computer in your house today, yo.

Chicane-UK said,
I don't understand why Microsoft have to dominate every space they exist in. It's depressing frankly.

And this doesn't apply to google? To Apple? Or anyone? Why are people so fixated on MS being the "only" one who's out to get them and so on? It's about time everyone woke up to the fact that every big company out there is the same. Why must Google force feed you every new service they come up with? Like bolting Buzz into Gmail? Yet people like it cuz it's Google. If MS pulled that everyone would be out with their pitch forks. It's time to drop this stupid double standard.

Chicane-UK said,
I don't understand why Microsoft have to dominate every space they exist in. It's depressing frankly.

It is? If you were a Microsoft shareholder would you want Microsoft to enter a market and just sit there happy with whatever they could get or would you want them to strive to be the best hence giving you a better return on your investment? While you ponder that, see if you can name a company that entered a marketplace with no drive to be #1 and survived. (Hint: It's a trick question)

Joshie said,

The competitive desire in the tech industry to be number one is why there's a computer in your house today, yo.

Exactly, desire to be the best at something drives you to BE the best at it. Being "content" promotes stagnation, and in something so influential in our modern lives as the internet, stagnation is not good.

Microsoft's desire to make Bing the best search engine has definitely been good for the consumer. Until Bing started gaining market share, Google had almost completely stopped developing search, since it was "good enough". Since Bing launched though, we've seen things like:

- Search Options
- Live Searching (Live Twitter/News results)
- Redesigned homepage

come from Google, and all in the time since Bing was launched. That's not to suggest that Bing is the reason these features came about, but it was likely an influential factor. Competition drives innovation, and that's why Microsoft's desire to be #1 is good for everyone :-)

Edited by Majesticmerc, Mar 3 2010, 11:35pm :

Majesticmerc said,

Exactly, desire to be the best at something drives you to BE the best at it. Being "content" promotes stagnation, and in something so influential in our modern lives as the internet, stagnation is not good.
And i think its something which has changed at MS in the past 5 - 10 years. They seem to be less complacent in many areas even if there is a few strays (mobiles being one). It all helps push the entire market forwards but.

GP007 said,

And this doesn't apply to google? To Apple? Or anyone? Why are people so fixated on MS being the "only" one who's out to get them and so on? It's about time everyone woke up to the fact that every big company out there is the same. Why must Google force feed you every new service they come up with? Like bolting Buzz into Gmail? Yet people like it cuz it's Google. If MS pulled that everyone would be out with their pitch forks. It's time to drop this stupid double standard.


Amen my brother.

Microsoft is the biggest and thus the most hated. This is an automatic process, if Google surpasses Microsoft, they will fall in the same hole as Microsoft has been in ever since its the numero uno.
And same will be for Apple..

if Google doesn't start taking privacy seriously, it will be their downfall, and truthfully, Google getting knocked down a peg at this point is a good thing for everybody
Neowin even relies on Google to function correctly and thats horrible, even if theres no real privacy concern, i don't really want to touch them anymore ;P
they are simply too entrenched, its folks choice to use Google but they are making the wrong choice

artfuldodga said,
if Google doesn't start taking privacy seriously, it will be their downfall, and truthfully, Google getting knocked down a peg at this point is a good thing for everybody
Neowin even relies on Google to function correctly and thats horrible, even if theres no real privacy concern, i don't really want to touch them anymore ;P
they are simply too entrenched, its folks choice to use Google but they are making the wrong choice

I don't really understand why anyone would back Google. I mean, sure, they have a great search engine. But with their history of backstabbing everyone they can, given the first chance, I just don't get why people would trust them as much as they do. "Do No Evil" must have been said with a wink.

Edited by Serenity76, Mar 3 2010, 6:09pm :

Serenity76 said,

I don't really understand why anyone would back Google. I mean, sure, they have a great search engine. But with their history of backstabbing everyone they can, given the first chance, I just don't get why people would trust them as much as they do. "Do No Evil" must have been said with a wink.

What? Did I miss something? Google is by-far one of the best things to happen to the internet... You're all fan boys to the core, if it isn't Microsoft vs Apple, then its Google vs Microsoft or vice versa. Grow up kids, no one cares which set you claim, or what crew you rep. Lets break it down.

1. Google has tons of useful stuff. Gmail, Gdocs, Android, Search, etc.
2. Google doesn't charge or charges very small fees for its products.
3. The only downside (not to anyone who cares) is that Google collects ANONYMOUS user statics i.e. search queries, indexing, etc.

Oh btw, most of you fanboys who complain about Google invading your privacy, probably have or had a Facebook, Myspace, Hot or Not, FTJ, Twitter, or some other "blogish" site that collected way more information, and also distributed that info onto the web.

If you don't want your business on the internet, stay off of it.

Edited by pjw, Mar 3 2010, 8:33pm :

pjw said,

What? Did I miss something? Google is by-far one of the best things to happen to the internet... You're all fan boys to the core, if it isn't Microsoft vs Apple, then its Google vs Microsoft or vice versa. Grow up kids, no one cares which set you claim, or what crew you rep. Lets break it down.

1. Google has tons of useful stuff. Gmail, Gdocs, Android, Search, etc.
2. Google doesn't charge or charges very small fees for its products.
3. The only downside (not to anyone who cares) is that Google collects ANONYMOUS user statics i.e. search queries, indexing, etc.

Oh btw, most of you fanboys who complain about Google invading your privacy, probably have or had a Facebook, Myspace, Hot or Not, FTJ, Twitter, or some other "blogish" site that collected way more information, and also distributed that info onto the web.

If you don't want your business on the internet, stay off of it.

So, people shouldn't care what -we- say, but should care what -you- say? Good plan. They screw over practically every business partner they have, build a business by collecting data to turn around and make a profit off of, yet we're supposed to blindly trust them? Explain to me how Google is the best thing to ever happen to the internet again. Actually, show me even one original concept they've had.

Edited by Serenity76, Mar 3 2010, 10:58pm :

I doubt privacy will be their downfall to be honest. Generally I don't think most people care enough as unfortunate as that may be. They'd face more problems from government interventions here and there but they have the cash flow to adapt and change as they happen anyway.

I'd say some risks could be their avenue stream in regards to ad placements drying up if MS can make inroads in search. Also it probably would never happen but it'd be interesting to see what would happen if the top two or three web browsers were suddenly to stick ad blockers by default in their browsers.

As it is with things like Android, Chrome ect Google is expanding and probably covering their bases alright now days.

Privacy will never be the downfall to Google. As long as they have good things for us to use which they already do, they will be hard to defeat. I don't see why so many people are worried about privacy, unless they committed a crime and posted it somewhere. It's sad to see so many people exaggerating the situation and complaining about how Google does all this. While I'm glad that Microsoft is determined to win Google, I doubt they will succeed as all they have done is improve the user interface and provide cash savings. Their search is still terrible, not very good at "decisions" and way too slow in indexing sites. They should concentrate more on the main feature, which is search.

Edited by Pestbest, Mar 4 2010, 8:29am :

Serenity76 said,

So, people shouldn't care what -we- say, but should care what -you- say? Good plan. They screw over practically every business partner they have, build a business by collecting data to turn around and make a profit off of, yet we're supposed to blindly trust them? Explain to me how Google is the best thing to ever happen to the internet again. Actually, show me even one original concept they've had.

Any thing good Google was, is before it was taken over, a few good examples arrive from Google because, a year or 2 and more ago, google was good.
Google Earth? Developed in a google's employee's free time =) just like Gmail, and most other applications that are online now, are developed in google's free time.

But google is another company that has been taken over by wall street.

Diacon said,

Any thing good Google was, is before it was taken over, a few good examples arrive from Google because, a year or 2 and more ago, google was good.
Google Earth? Developed in a google's employee's free time =) just like Gmail, and most other applications that are online now, are developed in google's free time.

But google is another company that has been taken over by wall street.

Google earth wasn't developed by some random google employee in his free time lol. Back in 2004 google bought a company called Keyhole that made what is google earth today. Hell even the interface hasn't changed that much lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyhole,_Inc

I don't understand why this comment is getting attention. Unless Microsoft goes bankrupt you can never say he was wrong. It's like saying God exists. You can't prove it, you can't disprove it, but it isn't likely.

Kingv84 said,
Maybe in a future where Google does not exist will Microsoft ever beat them. Good Luck!

No thats not true.. It will happen after 70 billion years....

Kingv84 said,
Maybe in a future where Google does not exist will Microsoft ever beat them. Good Luck!

Uh-huh, and how exactly will Google not exist? Oh, right. When the competition drives them away. No luck needed.