Banned Xbox Live users will still be able to play their Xbox One games

When Microsoft announced its digital rights management requirements for Xbox One, many users quickly began to wonder how the online requirements would impact groups such as active-duty military personnel. A group that was perhaps overlooked was banned Xbox Live users, but it appears those users will have nothing to worry about.

In an interview with Reddit Games, Larry Hryb, Microsoft's director of Xbox Live programming, was asked if banned users would lose access to their games, something he vehemently said the company would not do.

"Absolutely not – you will always have access to the games you've purchased," he said. "Absolutely not."

The response should quell fears created when the official Xbox support Twitter account said users would forfeit licenses to any games they had downloaded, though it appears the account was referring to Xbox 360 licenses and not Xbox One licenses. Hryb didn't state if the licenses for other content, such as Xbox Video downloads, would also still be accessible, though his response would likely indicate that content would still be accessible as well.

Hryb also addressed the issue of what would happen when Microsoft shuts down its Xbox One servers at the end of the upcoming generation, saying that's something Microsoft wouldn't do.

"I'll just say this: We haven't even started this generation, so it's kind of early to talk about the end of the generation," he said. "That's certainly not something we would do – that's not the way the system is designed. It's designed for flexibility. But let's get the system out there first."

Source: Reddit Games via Joystiq

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I still haven`t really made my mind up about either console. The trouble i see it is that the XBox one is trying to be all things at once and thinking it`s "really cool and awsome" when in reality how many people actually wan`t to watch tv and game at the same time on the same tv?
Microsofts system seems very locked in, even to the extent that game developers need a publisher to be considered and have to pay quite a substantial fee for any updates.
Normally a games console sits somewhere near the tv, but occasionaly it goes on holiday and can be used when the weather is not so great or you just wan`t a laugh when drunk doing silly things infront of the telly, ala wii. Not anymore sadly

Good that Microsoft is addressing those issues. But let's get one thing clear here. Because of this "service model" that Xbox One is adopting, it is quite likely that one day, Xbox One servers will be taken offline. Perhaps not in the next generation, but the one after that.

I still know people who like to play original NES, SNES, Genesis and N64 games in the original consoles. Sure those people are a minority (particularly with emulators today) but if you consider yourself part of this small percentage of users, then Xbox One is NOT for you.

PLUS, Terms and Conditions can change with time. With an Xbox One you are in fact at the mercy of MSFT corporate decisions.

pmdci said,

PLUS, Terms and Conditions can change with time. With an Xbox One you are in fact at the mercy of MSFT corporate decisions.

The current MS is a company that listen to their customer but do the opposite what the customers want. Also, we don't forget that, even without the DRM, the xbone is inferior (in paper and in exclusive games) to the PS4.

What? It actually has more exclusives at launch than the PS4. A lot of the games the PS4 has are F2P PC games that have been ported to it. I agree with the other stuff, but it has games.

TBH, there was no way they would be able to outright ban you from accessing games you've bought; that would be theft. All they can do is ban you from their subscription based services.

It would not be theft because according to the license you do not own the software/game, you are just paying for the rights to use it and they can take those rights away.

It would not be theft because according to the license you do not own the software/game, you are just paying for the rights to use it and they can take those rights away.

That crap has been through the EU courts. IIRC, the result was that license or no, its your property and no one can deny you access to it, or the right to sell it. All they CAN do is deny access to online services connected to it.

I wonder if they will be able to play Xbox at all if they gets banned from MS account for a private photo that MS employee wouldn't like.

XBONED

"In talking to a developer who wished to remain anonymous, gamers will see a difference on Day One when they compare third party PS4 games to Xbox One head-to-head. The developer told me the PS4 is 40 percent more powerful than Xbox One and games like Call of Duty Ghosts will be noticeably different out of the gate.

In the past, Xbox 360 games looked better out of the gate and over time PS3 games progressively improved to the point where games like The Last of Us and Beyond: Two Souls stand out even against some next gen titles. But if this differentiator holds true, not only will Xbox One games have DRM issues and no rental options and limited used game opportunities, the games won't look as good as PS4 titles. That sounds like a perfect storm of negativity for the hardcore gamers.

This processing power issue also could be a potential reason behind the latest controversy that has emerged for Microsoft at E3, in which photos were taken of some Xbox One games running on Windows 7 PCs with NVIDIA graphics cards. Sony PS4 developers took to Twitter saying PS4 demos were running on PS4 dev kits. I know playing PS4 games behind closed doors that the PS4 was clearly visible as I played.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jo...already-sold-out-at-amazon/

This isn't new. The info about the difference between the two systems have been known for weeks. The ONLY games that will look better are ones that are exclusively made for the PS4. Any game that is made for both will look the same. And honestly, who the frak cares when games on both systems will look amazing (way better than current gen).

0--JLowzrif said,
XBONED

"In talking to a developer who wished to remain anonymous, gamers will see a difference on Day One when they compare third party PS4 games to Xbox One head-to-head. The developer told me the PS4 is 40 percent more powerful than Xbox One and games like Call of Duty Ghosts will be noticeably different out of the gate.

In the past, Xbox 360 games looked better out of the gate and over time PS3 games progressively improved to the point where games like The Last of Us and Beyond: Two Souls stand out even against some next gen titles. But if this differentiator holds true, not only will Xbox One games have DRM issues and no rental options and limited used game opportunities, the games won't look as good as PS4 titles. That sounds like a perfect storm of negativity for the hardcore gamers.

This processing power issue also could be a potential reason behind the latest controversy that has emerged for Microsoft at E3, in which photos were taken of some Xbox One games running on Windows 7 PCs with NVIDIA graphics cards. Sony PS4 developers took to Twitter saying PS4 demos were running on PS4 dev kits. I know playing PS4 games behind closed doors that the PS4 was clearly visible as I played.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jo...already-sold-out-at-amazon/

I think you are talking b.s here, you are already saying developers have managed to max out the X1's resources and pushing ps4 to it's limit's already with their games in real time game playing environments? Also graphic's isn't as big as a factor anymore with these next gen consoles, you can have the best looking call of duty games, but if the gameplay experience is the same **** over and over from the last few call of duty's it won't mean ****. On top of all that, of all the games that are release currently on xbox 360 or ps3, how many of those games have maxed out either consoles resources vs the percentage of all the games that have been released to date? I can guarantee you that the majority of the games published to date will far out number the AAA titles that are maxing these consoles and it will be like this as well for the next gen consoles, most games that will be released won't be maxing either of these consoles because of the increased cost to develop for with little or next to nothing increased returns in profit.

I really want to like Xbox one but everything is telling me to stay very far away from it. What in the world is Microsoft doing I'm still thinking about doing a pre order but my friends are screaming at me to not do it.

Does anyone think the xox one is going to sell at all with all these rules and restrictions ?

Is it really as bad as it sounds ?

What rumors? Pretty much all the new rumors I'm hearing have been good things. Don't lose games when banned (not rumor anymore), 'Family' sharing plan sounds awesome if true and they might change the 24 hour check. And Major Nelson said that if the devs and publishers want games to be traded, they will be.

The only really legit reason not to buy one is if you don't have internet in your home. The rest is just weird fearmongering in my opinion. So then the other reason is exclusives, but TBH, why not wait until the consoles actually exist and you can try them? Then make a decision. It's really the smartest thing to do, and at worst you miss out on a month of gaming. This generation of consoles will probably be around for a decade, it's not a panic.

An open system (and one which does not require constant internet access) always wins in the end for me.

Note: most people will buy an Xbox just because it's from Microsoft. Don't get me wrong: Microsoft make good stuff, but many people who give opinions will never consider trying out products from other companies.

Grizzwald said,
I really want to like Xbox one but everything is telling me to stay very far away from it. What in the world is Microsoft doing I'm still thinking about doing a pre order but my friends are screaming at me to not do it.

Does anyone think the xox one is going to sell at all with all these rules and restrictions ?

Is it really as bad as it sounds ?

Be careful about the shill on Neowin

The 24 hours connection is a real deal. Let's say that your connection is 100% stable however, you can't bet that the Xbox server will be 100% stable, and most likely, it will not be.

Also, it depends in the kind of ban. MS do some bans that literally delete the whole account, including related services and purchased products. :-|

Edited by Brony, Jun 17 2013, 2:28pm :

All I have to say is that is a stupid hat Larry is wearing and it puts me off from buying a Xbox One.

Microsoft's director of Xbox Live programming wearing a hat like that. Unbelievable. Did he wear that during the job interview? Does he wear it when programming? Is it his good luck charm? I was expecting a suit.

Sony are a lot more professional in their presentation.

</end of rant>

68k said,
All I have to say is that is a stupid hat Larry is wearing and it puts me off from buying a Xbox One.

Microsoft's director of Xbox Live programming wearing a hat like that. Unbelievable. Did he wear that during the job interview? Does he wear it when programming? Is it his good luck charm? I was expecting a suit.

Sony are a lot more professional in their presentation.

</end of rant>

I feel bad for anyone you interact with. Its called having fun. Its called E3. ITS CALLED NOT BRING A CLOWN SUIT MONKEY. People like him do get the luxury of not having to wear a suit once in awhile. If you can't understand that, god damn do I feel bad for you.

I personally love major nelson cause he's in such an important role at Microsoft yet he's a gamer at heart. So he really does connect with gamers.

68k said,
All I have to say is that is a stupid hat Larry is wearing and it puts me off from buying a Xbox One.

Microsoft's director of Xbox Live programming wearing a hat like that. Unbelievable. Did he wear that during the job interview? Does he wear it when programming? Is it his good luck charm? I was expecting a suit.

Sony are a lot more professional in their presentation.

</end of rant>

What a fail of a rant. "Major Nelsons wearing a stupid hat... not buying xbox one... fail fail fail" do you even realise how stupid you sound?

The fact is he's at the biggest electronics expo in the world and has been for three days. I've worked these sort of expos before and they're like festivals (all be it a lot more sanitary), it's all about having fun and getting your brand out there and Larry does an excellent job at this.

Not one but two deal breakers, always on spy hardware and 24 hour or paperweight mode. Can't wait to see 2nd quarter numbers. Does Microsoft just not realize people DO NOT TRUST YOU to do the right thing? Not for gaming, not for privacy, nothing.

Hahaiah said,
Not one but two deal breakers, always on spy hardware and 24 hour or paperweight mode. Can't wait to see 2nd quarter numbers. Does Microsoft just not realize people DO NOT TRUST YOU to do the right thing? Not for gaming, not for privacy, nothing.

Actually a lot of people do, but I get that you feel correct based on the vocal minority of online tech forum regulars. I explained the DRM to a few none 'geeky' friends and you know how much they gave a **** about it, ZERO! people need to step out of their bubble and realise that people don't care about details, most people have stable as hell broadband, most people are not in the armed forces, most people don't think MS Will use kinnet to spy on them (ridiculous), most people will actually benefit from the 'restrictions' in the form of easier game sharing, diskless gaming, lifetime downloads of all your games, silent background updating of games and system etc etc.

Hahaiah said,
Not one but two deal breakers, always on spy hardware and 24 hour or paperweight mode. Can't wait to see 2nd quarter numbers. Does Microsoft just not realize people DO NOT TRUST YOU to do the right thing? Not for gaming, not for privacy, nothing.

I'm just popping to the shop, would you like me to fetch you a tin foil hat while i'm out?

Lone Wanderer Chicken said,
I think its very very bad and an enormous mistake to restrict used games. On Steam, Steam sets fixed prices for the games and even after many years some games only drop like $10. If you own a Xbox One disc, it should be able to be sold again and again.

This article is very interesting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine


Agreed with the first part, but as someone pointed out on another thread the first-sale doctrine doesn't really apply to games and such because you're only being sold a license to use the software, not the software itself.

Matthew_Thepc said,

Agreed with the first part, but as someone pointed out on another thread the first-sale doctrine doesn't really apply to games and such because you're only being sold a license to use the software, not the software itself.

I reckon users are quite fed-up with this whole model and the discontent around Microsoft's DRM shenanigans is a sign of times. The best thing that people that aren't happy with those DRM restrictions can do is NOT BUY the Xbox One.

Ha..Ha.. restrictions everywhere with Xboner. This product is going to be a black mark on MS financial statement which they will hide from users through legal creative accounting methods. No product is which is anti-consumer will succeed in market regardless of how much their blinded fans support it. MS is in downhill slope and it does not seems very obvious at this moment but their future does not look very bright in near future. There is no company which is too big to fail, at certain points they all go downward.

Enron said,
Did you even read the article? That's the opposite of a restriction.

Yes, I read the article and understand it. But I was talking in a more general sense rather than specific incidence. Do you really think MS can get away with this BS that blocked users will loose their games. I talked about overall MS vision and company future and the direction where it is heading.

Auditor said,

Do you really think MS can get away with this BS that blocked users will loose their games.

? You realize the freaking title of the article said "Banned Xbox Live users will still be able to play their Xbox One games" right?

Auditor said,

Yes, I read the article and understand it. But I was talking in a more general sense rather than specific incidence. Do you really think MS can get away with this BS that blocked users will loose their games. I talked about overall MS vision and company future and the direction where it is heading.

Dude reading comprehension was hard for me too

Auditor said,

Yes, I read the article and understand it. But I was talking in a more general sense rather than specific incidence. Do you really think MS can get away with this BS that blocked users will loose their games. I talked about overall MS vision and company future and the direction where it is heading.


The blind hate is strong in this one!!

Auditor said,
Ha..Ha.. restrictions everywhere with Xboner. This product is going to be a black mark on MS financial statement which they will hide from users through legal creative accounting methods. No product is which is anti-consumer will succeed in market regardless of how much their blinded fans support it. MS is in downhill slope and it does not seems very obvious at this moment but their future does not look very bright in near future. There is no company which is too big to fail, at certain points they all go downward.

Duuuude, read the actual post and form your own thoughts rather than blindly hating -1

My bet is Microsoft didn't even plan for a lot of this stuff yet. Still holding on to my Xbox One preorder for now. Right now, my PS3 is for exclusives only. Maybe those roles will reverse. We'll just have to see how the whole market is affected for used purchases and sales. I will not pay $60 for every game. Some are worth it, most are not.

I'm pretty sure Microsoft doesn't think those that rent games and buy used games will now buy all those games for $60 instead. If they do they are delusional.

MorganX said,
I'm pretty sure Microsoft doesn't think those that rent games and buy used games will now buy all those games for $60 instead. If they do they are delusional.

I just wonder how long it will take for people to make authentication server emulators that run on PC.

They certainly seem to think that people without access to always-on broadband Internet are worth less than mud, I bet you that the guys behind the Xbox One's DRM believe that people renting or buying used games will start buying all those games new for $60 a pop.

Patrick Danielson said,

I just wonder how long it will take for people to make authentication server emulators that run on PC.

Totally. Sooner or latter the Xbox One will be modded and there will be private/closed Xbox Live emulated servers all around.

Then I might consider getting one.

Patrick Danielson said,

I just wonder how long it will take for people to make authentication server emulators that run on PC.


Hahaha, you are joking, right?
Authentication will be heavily dependent upon public/private certificates and you won't be able to do jack unless you somehow got MS's private certificates and their passphrases.

a0me said,
They certainly seem to think that people without access to always-on broadband Internet are worth less than mud, I bet you that the guys behind the Xbox One's DRM believe that people renting or buying used games will start buying all those games new for $60 a pop.

Ummm, you don't need broadband to for the daily authorization good old modems would be more than enough for that.

HawkMan said,

Ummm, you don't need broadband to for the daily authorization good old modems would be more than enough for that.

And an ISP that supports dial-up, plus not all users will know how to route