Bill Gates remains unimpressed by the iPad

When Apple launched the iPad, its tablet computer, many people expected wondrous things. Many different rumors were spread, from supposed internal hardware specifications all the way up to it having a solar panel on the back (which a surprising amount of people fell for), which led to an enormous amount of hype. The rumors weren't the only thing against Apple, though: when they launched the iPhone a few years back, a lot of people swore by it. Many still do, and it has sold over 40 million devices across the world, despite AT&T's bad reputation in the US, and the fact that it is currently missing features such a multitasking. A lot of people expected this tablet device to live up to the reputation of that phone, which currently, it doesn't seem to be doing – in an interview with BNET, Bill Gates, former Microsoft CEO, stated that he isn't very impressed by Apple's latest offering.

Gates stated, "You know, I'm a big believer in touch and digital reading, but I still think that some mixture of voice, the pen and a real keyboard – in other words, a netbook – will be mainstream on that. So, it's not like I sit there and feel the same way I did with the iPhone where I say, 'Oh my God, Microsoft didn't aim high enough.' It's a nice reader, but there's nothing on the iPad I look at and say, 'Oh, I wish Microsoft had done it.'" Many have related the iPad to just being an "oversized iPod touch," which seems to be the viewpoint that Gates has, as at first glance, it doesn't offer much more than what Apple's other touchscreen mobile devices do. The debate for and against the iPad is an extensive and detailed one, which can't really see an end until the release at the end of March, though many believe that the iPhone OS event that usually hits mid-March will see some drastic changes to the operating system.

Gates is known to have considerable tolerance (unlike another certain CEO of the company) when it comes to Microsoft's main competitor, Apple, though he (like many others) doesn't feel that the iPad is as revolutionary as the Cupertino-based company claims it to be. So far, the group with the most enthusiasm is the developers, as the iPhone OS 3.2 adds some extremely nifty stuff that'll show up upon the iPad's release. Whether or not this'll take off is anyone's guess, though nobody can truly know until the device has actually been released.

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bottom line is really, tablet PC's have been around for years, XP has tablet PC support. What makes the iPad any different? In fact its worse, you dont even get a proper operating system on it! Just a gloryfied iPod Touch OS. :(

There isn't anything new in this device, it's a big iPod Touch, and what use is that other then having desktop-class applications.

I happen to side with good ol' Bill on this one, there isn't anything revolutionary about it.

The problem with the iPad is that it doesn't do anything new. I'm tired of people making incremental improvements in computers and charging tons of money for it. When is somebody going to drop the big game changing bomb?

Guess the Microsoft Office division didn't get wind of 'ol Billy G's opinion, since Microsoft is considering bringing out a version of MS Office for the iPad.

Really...you guys want to put a lot of credit in a hardware opinion by a guy whos company has put out consoles that fail in record numbers, copycat media players that have been stillborn on arrival...hell, what else is there...didn't they have a hand in the abortion known as WebTV? A few failed networking products that were pulled from the market after being effectively abandoned and worthless? Oh, wait...they make great keyboards and mice.

The iPad is lame. It doesn't even have a USB port, and in 2010 that is insane. If this thing was made by Toshiba or some other company no one would even be talking about it and what few reviews it got would just laugh it off. When Apple releases something it's hyped up and expected to be the holy grail of whatever product line it is.

TRC said,
The iPad is lame. It doesn't even have a USB port, and in 2010 that is insane. If this thing was made by Toshiba or some other company no one would even be talking about it and what few reviews it got would just laugh it off. When Apple releases something it's hyped up and expected to be the holy grail of whatever product line it is.

Apple is the holy grail of tech, why do many companies look at Apple's products and design similar things for themselves for a better price? hmm

"The debate for and against the iPad is an extensive and detailed one"

Uhhh no, it's not. A vast majority of people have already dismissed it. Only the Apple die-hards believe it's worth buying but even they acknowledge it's just an oversized edition of their existing gadgets.

I just want to play with an iPad or have one given to me :).

I think I'm going to stop speculating until I have had one in my hands and see what it is capable of.

I find this surprising actually. Bill Gates was impressed iPhone and itunes, and many Apple products but not this one.

But when you think about it. It's too big to be anything, you can't have it in your pocket so why not have a PC instead?

Tpiom said,
I find this surprising actually. Bill Gates was impressed iPhone and itunes, and many Apple products but not this one.

But when you think about it. It's too big to be anything, you can't have it in your pocket so why not have a PC instead?

Just wait till the product hits the streets, all we are doing now is predicting.

I am curious how many people would pay for the $30 a month unlimited and then another $30 dollars unlimited to a total of $60 a month just to have an IPHONE and also an IPAD? The no contract is just a gimmick as anyone who has ever bought their phone from ebay or unlocked or otherwise knows that you can go into the AT&T and get a non contract rate plan as long as you are not getting subsidized money from the phone vendor. When you are buying the IPAD you are buying it direct from Apple and then going to AT&T and just asking them to turn on the device. DUH! no contract should be a given at that point. You didn't get the product for less than retail so you should not be obligated to a contract!

If you have an IPHONE and then carrying the IPAD and you want to get directions for a place which one do you think you will whip out in a jiffy?

I can see many of these things getting stolen quickly because people will bring these to places where they wouldn't bring a netbook due to the "cool" factor. It's just the way it goes. I have said it before in previous posts as to the Apple and PC crowds at local coffee houses. The macbooks are used for surfing the internet and letting people know you think you are "hip". The PC's are working on excel sheets. I don't knock them for having it. I am just making an observation. The IPAD will be the next look at me device and it will get broken/dropped and stolen often in its first month of introduction. Who wants to make a bet with me on that one?

I don't care if it sells like hotcakes or not because it doesn't put an extra dime in my pocket. They might be first to market but they will not be the "MARKET" like the IPHONE's were.

King84v - getting a little ahead of ourselves aren't we? "Besides if I were Ipad, I would be proud to be recognized as one of the worlds best selling media players" - NEWSFLASH! They haven't sold any yet to get close to that claim.. Slow that train down a bit..

mrmomoman said,
I am curious how many people would pay for the $30 a month unlimited and then another $30 dollars unlimited to a total of $60 a month just to have an IPHONE and also an IPAD? The no contract is just a gimmick as anyone who has ever bought their phone from ebay or unlocked or otherwise knows that you can go into the AT&T and get a non contract rate plan as long as you are not getting subsidized money from the phone vendor. When you are buying the IPAD you are buying it direct from Apple and then going to AT&T and just asking them to turn on the device. DUH! no contract should be a given at that point. You didn't get the product for less than retail so you should not be obligated to a contract!

If you have an IPHONE and then carrying the IPAD and you want to get directions for a place which one do you think you will whip out in a jiffy?

I can see many of these things getting stolen quickly because people will bring these to places where they wouldn't bring a netbook due to the "cool" factor. It's just the way it goes. I have said it before in previous posts as to the Apple and PC crowds at local coffee houses. The macbooks are used for surfing the internet and letting people know you think you are "hip". The PC's are working on excel sheets. I don't knock them for having it. I am just making an observation. The IPAD will be the next look at me device and it will get broken/dropped and stolen often in its first month of introduction. Who wants to make a bet with me on that one?

I don't care if it sells like hotcakes or not because it doesn't put an extra dime in my pocket. They might be first to market but they will not be the "MARKET" like the IPHONE's were.

King84v - getting a little ahead of ourselves aren't we? "Besides if I were Ipad, I would be proud to be recognized as one of the worlds best selling media players" - NEWSFLASH! They haven't sold any yet to get close to that claim.. Slow that train down a bit..

Not Yet, and the train is in full steam sir. Jump on board. Plenty of space for you sir.

That shouldnt come as a surprise to anyone. While the iPad is a step in the right direction, its capabilities are incredibly limited and Bill obviously knows this. Now he's a pretty smart guy, but even a raccoon can see that the iPad is not really anything special.

AnthoWin said,
iPod touch oversize. Apple being alittle too proud for innovation outside the Cupertino campus?

Does it matter that its an iPod Touch XL? No it does not. Its a great touch designed OS based on Mac OS X with lots of potential. Besides, if I were an iPad, I would be proud to be recognized as one of the worlds best selling media players. :-)

Edited by Kingv84, Feb 11 2010, 1:54pm :

Well inst that a surprise? No not really...
Any sane person can't possibly be impressed by that over sized iPod Touch...

Leonick said,
Well inst that a surprise? No not really...
Any sane person can't possibly be impressed by that over sized iPod Touch...

Am sane and it is perfectly fine to be an iPod Touch XL. This is everybody's lame excuse, " blah blah man! Its an an oversized iPod, huh yeah Oversize iPod dude". So getting old.

Kingv84 said,

Am sane and it is perfectly fine to be an iPod Touch XL. This is everybody's lame excuse, " blah blah man! Its an an oversized iPod, huh yeah Oversize iPod dude". So getting old.


you can't really evaluate your own sanity. As a matter of fact, you replying to almost all messages in this thread proves to the contrary. j/k

Edited by zagor, Feb 11 2010, 2:47pm :

zagor said,

you can't really evaluate your own sanity. As a matter of fact, you replying to almost all messages in this thread proves to the contrary. j/k

lol I agree with you sir.

SH3K0 said,
God bless you Bill!

Hehe!

On the other hand, Bill thought that Microsoft was F**ed by Jobs and iTunes and was right:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100206170554489

Edited by ilev, Feb 11 2010, 10:25am :

SH3K0 said,
God bless you Bill!

Hehe!

God Bless Bill's Bank Account! Donate some millions to the people on here, Bill. :-)

Kingv84 said,

God Bless Bill's Bank Account! Donate some millions to the people on here, Bill. :-)


He's too busy funding disease research.

People need to realise that Apple is not a software company and historically their software has been quite poor. A look at the history of the Mac will show that Aplple never developed multitasking, for example, they licensed a cast-off Unix kernel that did multitasking and had a decent file system.

The iPad has a new chip. There is no multitasking software for it for Apple to buy/license. So that's why the iPad can't walk and chew gum.

Meanwhile Microsoft IS a software company which ois why MS-tablet software does multitasking, handwriting, flash, JAva, and all the other stuff iPad can't do.

This is largely why worldwide Microsoft has about 94% market share and Apple has 2%. This must be a new definition of 'competition'. I'd call it game over.

You really don't know what you're talking about. The iPhone software is perfectly capable of multitasking it's just that Apple hasn't allowed it probably because they haven't found an elegant way to make it work yet.

matt4pack said,
You really don't know what you're talking about. The iPhone software is perfectly capable of multitasking it's just that Apple hasn't allowed it probably because they haven't found an elegant way to make it work yet.

+1 Sir

matt4pack said,
You really don't know what you're talking about. The iPhone software is perfectly capable of multitasking it's just that Apple hasn't allowed it probably because they haven't found an elegant way to make it work yet.

This may be part of it but I suspect that it is also because the cost of the hardware is too prohibitive at this moment and would cut too much into the profit margins Apple has set for itself to make it worth producing a true multitasking environment that offers a good experience for the customer. Sure, you can buy Win Mobile phones that multi-task but the affordable ones are slow as molasses and make the Win Mobile phones a pain to use. Ones that offer a good experience are way over priced and are just too expensive for the general public, which is what both the iPhone and Ipad are designed for.

Edited by soonerproud, Feb 11 2010, 4:29pm :

I think Google should just release their "Android-Pad" and end everyone's misery already! Let's face it... MS ain't gonna make anything which can compete with Apple and Apple can't get their head out of their behinds! Yes the iPod/iPhone was rocking... get over it!

ashail said,
I think Google should just release their "Android-Pad" and end everyone's misery already! Let's face it... MS ain't gonna make anything which can compete with Apple and Apple can't get their head out of their behinds! Yes the iPod/iPhone was rocking... get over it!

Wait and see. It's looking like Microsoft really has something this time. I don't really even care if it's an exact clone of the iPhone with Windows branding and services/integration. That alone will make me switch. Nothing from Android even comes close yet to the iPhone. I've tried them all so far.

Edited by The Guru Network, Feb 11 2010, 1:03pm :

ashail said,
I think Google should just release their "Android-Pad" and end everyone's misery already! Let's face it... MS ain't gonna make anything which can compete with Apple and Apple can't get their head out of their behinds! Yes the iPod/iPhone was rocking... get over it!

And everybody is going to consider that, a what? An Oversized Nexus One? Wow, how people perception and comments amazes me. Thanks.

Perhaps it would be a Nexus one but do keep in mind for many the issue isn't so much that the iPad uses the iPhone OS but the limitations that the OS presents. Multitasking being one example. Things like missing camera ect too.

It'd be pretty easy to make an Android device that addresses a lot of those concerns...just as Apple could fix a bunch up in iOS 4.0.

Kingv84 said,

And everybody is going to consider that, a what? An Oversized Nexus One? Wow, how people perception and comments amazes me. Thanks.

If google were to make a tablet PC I'm sure they'd be a little more creative than making an oversized Phone which can't even make make calls.
My main problem with Apple is their control-freak nature where you're restricted to specific carriers, restricted to iTunes, restricted to everything Apple - they're stifling the industry! I mean u don't have to go open source like Google but some middle ground would be nice. I can't even USE the iPhone in my country without unlocking/jailbreaking the damn phone!

ashail said,

If google were to make a tablet PC I'm sure they'd be a little more creative than making an oversized Phone which can't even make make calls.
My main problem with Apple is their control-freak nature where you're restricted to specific carriers, restricted to iTunes, restricted to everything Apple - they're stifling the industry! I mean u don't have to go open source like Google but some middle ground would be nice. I can't even USE the iPhone in my country without unlocking/jailbreaking the damn phone!

I agree that Apple is a little restricted in some areas. What country are you in?

I am sure Bill Gates is happy with his Microsoft Surface! He throws the iPad in the trash and telling his wife, "iPad is not the right kind for you, sweetie."

nothing can beat the e-paper (computer sheet) in Caprica! that's awesome better than any mobile device if you want my opinion.

SLeeM@N said,
nothing can beat the e-paper (computer sheet) in Caprica! that's awesome better than any mobile device if you want my opinion.

Tell that to regular ole Paper based on Tree technology.

Unbeknown to all even his wife he has a secret room in his multi billion dollar home where he goes to play his apple ipod , imac, ipad and iphone

Atlonite said,
Unbeknown to all even his wife he has a secret room in his multi billion dollar home where he goes to play his apple ipod , imac, ipad and iphone

Shhhh.... Come on, no one is supposed to know that. You just gave it away lol

Edited by The Guru Network, Feb 11 2010, 5:46am :

dogmai said,

Shhhh.... Come on, no one is supposed to know that. You just gave it away lol

that's ok i bet he rather his wife found out now rather than catching him at it in 10yrs time with the new apple iWhore

iPad will have its place among the non-geeks.

similar to how Nintendo Wii ditched "gamers" and proceeded to make big bucks.

mocax said,
iPad will have its place among the non-geeks.

similar to how Nintendo Wii ditched "gamers" and proceeded to make big bucks.

I agree, and that is why a lot of the geeks do not understand the iPad, it is not meant for them. For geeks, we got Linux, Windows, Full Mac OS X and other customizable devices.

Rudy said,
We'll see, Bill was quite hopeful about the future of his own Tablet PC concepts....yet it failed

Wrong time, that's all. No one was really into it yet and was pretty much scared and didn't want to give up the keyboard and all the other little things that you lose with them. Now it's the in thing. Everyone wants touch, everyone wants smaller but still big and they want to still be able to do everything they were able to do before. The HP Slate can do that, the iPad... no

The HP Slate also has Windows 7 on it which was designed to be used with a mouse and keyboard. It was hacked to work better with touch but that only means it might appeal to tech nerds but not to the non-tech crowd which somehow you people don't seem to understand. Grandma is not going to be using a Windows 7 slate.

matt4pack said,
The HP Slate also has Windows 7 on it which was designed to be used with a mouse and keyboard. It was hacked to work better with touch but that only means it might appeal to tech nerds but not to the non-tech crowd which somehow you people don't seem to understand. Grandma is not going to be using a Windows 7 slate.
+1

That's why the iPhone did so great, any non geek could pick it up and use it to it's full potential (well the potential that apple allows you, jailbreaking is a whole different story).

Rudy said,
We'll see, Bill was quite hopeful about the future of his own Tablet PC concepts....yet it failed

The technology wasn't ready, the concept still stood, just jumped the gun a bit.

matt4pack said,
The HP Slate also has Windows 7 on it which was designed to be used with a mouse and keyboard. It was hacked to work better with touch but that only means it might appeal to tech nerds but not to the non-tech crowd which somehow you people don't seem to understand. Grandma is not going to be using a Windows 7 slate.

You got that on point. That is what people here do not understand, Grandma or any non techie will not buy a Windows 7 slate, they want simplicity and not tech help calls to some dude in a foreign country. +110

For Windows 7 to be a success on a slate PC; Dell, HP, etc need to make an overlay for the whole OS like what HTC did for Windows Mobile 6.5. Windows 7 (not mobile), even with multi-touch, was design with a mouse and a keyboard in mind. Imagine, Windows 7 with HP UI overlay; I would buy that!

day2die said,
For Windows 7 to be a success on a slate PC; Dell, HP, etc need to make an overlay for the whole OS like what HTC did for Windows Mobile 6.5. Windows 7 (not mobile), even with multi-touch, was design with a mouse and a keyboard in mind. Imagine, Windows 7 with HP UI overlay; I would buy that!

I totally agree. The PC slates need a modified OS based on Windows 7 designed solely for Touch with developers making touch based applications. + 200

DKAngel said,
might be good for schools to replaxe txt books but thats about it

How about taking it to the bathroom or the bed? Sometimes a laptop might be too cumbersome for certain situations and a smartphone might be to limited or too small. lol

Yes it is an oversized iPod Touch but surely that is the point? It's not for everyone but for people who want to browse the net, read an e-book, watch a movie or whatever then there's nothing wrong with it being an oversized iPod. The app store puts it in a pretty terrific position IMHO.

Yes it's more aimed at consuming content than creating it, but to be honest I wouldn't want to do serious work on a netbook either.

I doubt I'll get one and in many ways it is a bit disapointing (especially the lack of front facing camera IMHO) but I don't think it's meant to be the desktop replacement some people seem to be looking for.

Smigit said,
Yes it is an oversized iPod Touch but surely that is the point? It's not for everyone but for people who want to browse the net, read an e-book, watch a movie or whatever then there's nothing wrong with it being an oversized iPod. The app store puts it in a pretty terrific position IMHO.

Yes it's more aimed at consuming content than creating it, but to be honest I wouldn't want to do serious work on a netbook either.

I doubt I'll get one and in many ways it is a bit disapointing (especially the lack of front facing camera IMHO) but I don't think it's meant to be the desktop replacement some people seem to be looking for.

Do you really want backlit-LCD for reading e-books? The Amazon Kindle use e-ink which make it easy on the eyes.

day2die said,

Do you really want backlit-LCD for reading e-books? The Amazon Kindle use e-ink which make it easy on the eyes.

Would you want to use e-ink to surf the web or watch a movie?

It would be nice to have a display that does both e-ink and lcd. I bet someone has already patented that idea (or submitted an application).

Shadrack said,

Would you want to use e-ink to surf the web or watch a movie?

It would be nice to have a display that does both e-ink and lcd. I bet someone has already patented that idea (or submitted an application).


Which bring me to my next point. Why don't you just use your laptop to surf the web or watch a movie. If you are on the go, just do it on your phone. Why would you need a giant iPod Touch that wouldn't fit your pocket?

I personally prefer a device that is good at what it is intended to do rather than a "do it all: device that just isn't good at anything.

Edited by illegaloperation, Feb 11 2010, 4:28am :

I don't read often so a Kindle at the price it sells at is completely overkill for me. As such something more versatile like the iPad would be more fitting for me. I mean hell, I read forums/news sites on an LCD so I'm sure it'd be ok for the occasional book I read (maybe a few a year).

I guess thats the other thing I didn't mention previously. Many people jumped on the fact its not e-ink, that the battery life suffers because its an LCD screen. Again I think those people are missing the point...the iPad isn't strictly an e-reader, its a tablet that has an e-reader app along with a web browser, media player and if you consider the store several thousands of other applications.

You could use a laptop but you could also use a TV, projector or many other devices to watch video. Ultimatly the iPads just going to be another option and for those in the market for a new netbook/laptop maybe it makes more sense to buy just the one device than getting both a laptop and e-reader? Sometimes people want to consolidate their tools where they don't need to have the best-in-field option on hand.

I'll put it this way but...for all it's flaws if you had to pick just one device then the iPad is probably a better e-reader than the Kindle is multimedia/computing device. If you can pick both all power to you.

Edited by Smigit, Feb 11 2010, 5:10am :

day2die said,

Which bring me to my next point. Why don't you just use your laptop to surf the web or watch a movie. If you are on the go, just do it on your phone. Why would you need a giant iPod Touch that wouldn't fit your pocket?

I personally prefer a device that is good at what it is intended to do rather than a "do it all: device that just isn't good at anything.

Omg. Maybe because an iPad would be lighter and you can carry it like a book. Everything does not to be in your freaking pocket. The iPad is not a do it all, it's meant for quick web browsing, music, photos, videos and apps. Basic needs when outside. If you know you going to need more power and abilties then bring your laptop. How hard is it to understand the ipad.

Kingv84 said,

Omg. Maybe because an iPad would be lighter and you can carry it like a book. Everything does not to be in your freaking pocket. The iPad is not a do it all, it's meant for quick web browsing, music, photos, videos and apps. Basic needs when outside. If you know you going to need more power and abilties then bring your laptop. How hard is it to understand the ipad.

super cool story bro...

if im out an about ill use my phone it has all of the above... and if i need net access that much ill get my 13" laptop out and use its HSDPA connection.

besides walking round with an ipad is not going to get you attacked/it stolen right?

Midgetman said,

super cool story bro...

if im out an about ill use my phone it has all of the above... and if i need net access that much ill get my 13" laptop out and use its HSDPA connection.

besides walking round with an ipad is not going to get you attacked/it stolen right?

Like you would not get attacked with your 13" laptop popped out on your lap while using your Smartphone. lol yep sir.

Kingv84 said,

Omg. Maybe because an iPad would be lighter and you can carry it like a book. Everything does not to be in your freaking pocket. The iPad is not a do it all, it's meant for quick web browsing, music, photos, videos and apps. Basic needs when outside. If you know you going to need more power and abilties then bring your laptop. How hard is it to understand the ipad.

Lighter, until you factor in the protective case all iPad owners will be required by common sense to use if they don't want to destroy the screen on day one.

day2die said,

Which bring me to my next point. Why don't you just use your laptop to surf the web or watch a movie. If you are on the go, just do it on your phone. Why would you need a giant iPod Touch that wouldn't fit your pocket?

I personally prefer a device that is good at what it is intended to do rather than a "do it all: device that just isn't good at anything.

That's basically what I do :).

Joshie said,

Lighter, until you factor in the protective case all iPad owners will be required by common sense to use if they don't want to destroy the screen on day one.

People put laptops in bags too when transporting it. You won't need a case on it 24/7 if you don't want it and if your worried about the screen just put a screen protector on it.

Joshie said,

Lighter, until you factor in the protective case all iPad owners will be required by common sense to use if they don't want to destroy the screen on day one.

I do not use any protective case on my iPhone 3GS screen and it looks as the day I got it. Very scratch Proof.

day2die said,
I am surprise that it took Steve Jobs three years after the original iPod Touch release to slap on a giant 10-inch screen and call it revolutionary.

Because he can.

I'll just leave this here:

[i](Keldyn @ Nov 4 2003, 11:04) Steve Jobs has one hell of a sweet deal. Apple fans have my utmost respect. No, really it is true. They are so damn dedicated. Never before have I seen a group of people so staunchly defend a product. Infact I am willing to bet Apple could probably market and release crap. A turd. Hell it could even come in 5 fruity flavors. Berry, orange, lemon, lime and tangerine. Let’s for arguments sake call it the iTurd and undoubtedly you guys would buy it. Slap an apple logo on it and BOOYA!!! You’ll be all over it like flies on the proverbial cow pat…..[/i]

vincent said,
I'll just leave this here:

[i](Keldyn @ Nov 4 2003, 11:04) Steve Jobs has one hell of a sweet deal. Apple fans have my utmost respect. No, really it is true. They are so damn dedicated. Never before have I seen a group of people so staunchly defend a product. Infact I am willing to bet Apple could probably market and release crap. A turd. Hell it could even come in 5 fruity flavors. Berry, orange, lemon, lime and tangerine. Let’s for arguments sake call it the iTurd and undoubtedly you guys would buy it. Slap an apple logo on it and BOOYA!!! You’ll be all over it like flies on the proverbial cow pat…..[/i]

Mac fanboys buy anything that's shiny and make by Apple. Wow it's shiny. Lets drop everything we are doing and go after it.

Right on, Bill. The iPad didn't reinvent anything, it's just another device to carry around. When Apple decides to revolutionize the industry again, I'll pay them.

Good to see a big name come out and state the obvious. Hopefully people will listen this time and see that he is right. The iPad is nothing but an oversized iTouch, even lacking in some of the features currently available.

dogmai said,
Good to see a big name come out and state the obvious. Hopefully people will listen this time and see that he is right. The iPad is nothing but an oversized iTouch, even lacking in some of the features currently available.

I agree for the most part, but what can the iPad not do that a iPod Touch can? Besides fit in your pocket.

Blasius said,

I agree for the most part, but what can the iPad not do that a iPod Touch can? Besides fit in your pocket.

While I agree with both of you, one thing it can do is play video at a size that doesn't require a magnifying glass.

Edit: Granted did you expect Bill to come out and praise the Ipad? That would be like Steve talking about how amazing Windows 7 is.

Edited by SputnikGamer, Feb 11 2010, 3:35am : Added thought....

SputnikGamer said,

Edit: Granted did you expect Bill to come out and praise the Ipad?

Why not? Microsoft is primarily a software company; they are not competing with the iPad in any way and besides the two companies are not dire enemies. They're just businesses and they both make products for each other. Besides, Bill Gates does not work for Microsoft any more. I agree with him though, the iPad is an uninspired and terribly crippled piece of junk.

Edited by Saburac, Feb 11 2010, 3:09am :

Oh, so thats why Steve Ballmer revealed the HP Windows 7 slate. Because they are not competing with the iPad.... Right.... I heard that Toyota stopped competing with Honda years ago.

Get real. Microsoft and Apple are in many of the same markets and they do compete. Just because they make software that run on each others platforms doesn't mean they aren't all fighting for the biggest slice of the pie in the various markets they operate in.

Edited by Shadrack, Feb 11 2010, 4:39am :

Shadrack said,
Oh, so thats why Steve Ballmer revealed the HP Windows 7 slate. Because they are not competing with the iPad.... Right.... I heard that Toyota stopped competing with Honda years ago.

Get real. Microsoft and Apple are in many of the same markets and they do compete. Just because they make software that run on each others platforms doesn't mean they aren't all fighting for the biggest slice of the pie in the various markets they operate in.

Bill Gates is not Steve Ballmer. Bill Gates does not work for Microsoft any more (I think I mentioned this already) and most of all he is not a fat bumbling buffoon that gets angry, throws chairs and screams for the death of his competitors.

Oh and Bill Gates complimented Apple on the success of the iPod in case you've forgotten or weren't aware so just stop with the silly "Bill Gates would never say anything nice about it" shtick. See that Neowin poll about the iPad? NO ONE is impressed with this hunk of junk.

Edited by Saburac, Feb 11 2010, 4:30am :

Saburac said,

Bill Gates is not Steve Ballmer. Bill Gates does not work for Microsoft any more (I think I mentioned this already) and most of all he is not a fat bumbling buffoon that gets angry, throws chairs and screams for the death of his competitors.

Oh and Bill Gates complimented Apple on the success of the iPod in case you've forgotten or weren't aware so just stop with the silly "Bill Gates would never say anything nice about it" shtick. See that Neowin poll about the iPad? NO ONE is impressed with this hunk of junk.

lol the neowin poll does not equal everybody, but just some of the neowin readers. Am one of the millions who will buy it just because it's a bigger iPod touch with soon to have more features.

SputnikGamer said,

While I agree with both of you, one thing it can do is play video at a size that doesn't require a magnifying glass.

The downside there is that the iPad plays videos in 4:3, which is a big step backwards.

SputnikGamer said,

While I agree with both of you, one thing it can do is play video at a size that doesn't require a magnifying glass.

Edit: Granted did you expect Bill to come out and praise the Ipad? That would be like Steve talking about how amazing Windows 7 is.


Hey, it's happened before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uau0aIbrzkQ

Kingv84 said,

lol the neowin poll does not equal everybody, but just some of the neowin readers.

Yeah, just over one thousand. If Neowin isn't enough for you go to any other site you want, they're all making fun of this soon to be flop. Yes of course some people will buy it, rabid Apple fans who will mindlessly buy anything with a fruit logo on it.

Saburac said,

Bill Gates is not Steve Ballmer. Bill Gates does not work for Microsoft any more (I think I mentioned this already) and most of all he is not a fat bumbling buffoon that gets angry, throws chairs and screams for the death of his competitors.

Oh and Bill Gates complimented Apple on the success of the iPod in case you've forgotten or weren't aware so just stop with the silly "Bill Gates would never say anything nice about it" shtick. See that Neowin poll about the iPad? NO ONE is impressed with this hunk of junk.

Bill Gates still is Microsoft Chairman ... i believe the means he still does work for Microsoft.

Edited by xfodder, Feb 11 2010, 11:13am :

MightyJordan said,

The downside there is that the iPad plays videos in 4:3, which is a big step backwards.

I agree - I can't think of the reasoning to go 1024x768 :/

dogmai said,
Good to see a big name come out and state the obvious. Hopefully people will listen this time and see that he is right. The iPad is nothing but an oversized iTouch, even lacking in some of the features currently available.

The iPad is equivalent to an iPod touch. The iPhone, when it came out in 2007... was equivalent to absolutely nothing out there. That is why the iPhone, despite it's limitations and lack of copy-paste was for what it's worth the market changer. And it was at least 2 years ahead of its time. I truly agree with Gates; he probably sees what mess the Windows mobile OS has become.

Blasius said,

I agree for the most part, but what can the iPad not do that a iPod Touch can? Besides fit in your pocket.

A lot. Would you make an iWork, iLife, Office, etc. suite for an iPhone? I would never do that, the screen is too small. On the iPad, you can exploit the OS at its full potential. It's gonna make a huge difference.

What I mean is, I'm pretty sure the apps developed on the iPad will be far more superior than on the iPhone.

MightyJordan said,

The downside there is that the iPad plays videos in 4:3, which is a big step backwards.

Maybe next year, Apple will have a 16:9 60 Inch iPad with full HDMI and Surround Sound speakers.

PsykX said,

A lot. Would you make an iWork, iLife, Office, etc. suite for an iPhone? I would never do that, the screen is too small. On the iPad, you can exploit the OS at its full potential. It's gonna make a huge difference.

What I mean is, I'm pretty sure the apps developed on the iPad will be far more superior than on the iPhone.

I agree with you, the size of the screen will make a lot of difference with iPad Apps versus iPhone apps. People do not know the difference. The iPhone OS is powerful and the software that will come out by the developers for the iPad will be a whole new experience compared to the iPhone.

Edited by Kingv84, Feb 11 2010, 2:20pm :

Blasius said,

I agree for the most part, but what can the iPad not do that a iPod Touch can? Besides fit in your pocket.

The iPad has a bigger screen and the software is more powerful. They are not the same, same OS but different designed software. It is all about the software, people.

MightyJordan said,

The downside there is that the iPad plays videos in 4:3, which is a big step backwards.

Presumably it can play 16:9 in a letterbox, waste of screen real estate yes but surely it does that.

Saburac said,

Bill Gates is not Steve Ballmer. Bill Gates does not work for Microsoft any more (I think I mentioned this already) and most of all he is not a fat bumbling buffoon that gets angry, throws chairs and screams for the death of his competitors.

Oh and Bill Gates complimented Apple on the success of the iPod in case you've forgotten or weren't aware so just stop with the silly "Bill Gates would never say anything nice about it" shtick. See that Neowin poll about the iPad? NO ONE is impressed with this hunk of junk.

Gates is still the Executive Chairman of Microsoft and he has around a 20% stake, he still has influence over MS.

Shadrack said,
Oh, so thats why Steve Ballmer revealed the HP Windows 7 slate. Because they are not competing with the iPad.... Right.... I heard that Toyota stopped competing with Honda years ago.

thats HP, not MS, competing with Apple

Saburac said,

Why not? Microsoft is primarily a software company; they are not competing with the iPad in any way and besides the two companies are not dire enemies. They're just businesses and they both make products for each other. Besides, Bill Gates does not work for Microsoft any more. I agree with him though, the iPad is an uninspired and terribly crippled piece of junk.

I wouldn't say it's a piece of junk, but the lack of a camera and the lack of flash support on the iPhone OS definitely reduces its desirablity factor. Not to mention, it's just too expensive.