BlackBerry CEO takes a jab at iPhone battery, calls users "wall huggers"

The BlackBerry CEO has criticized the iPhone's battery life and called the users of the smartphone "wall huggers" when speaking to reporters at an event.

John Chen who was newly appointed as the CEO of BlackBerry after Thornstein Heins stepped down, has been quick to go on the offensive against companies such as T-Mobile, and also accept his own company's shortcomings with BB OS 10. He even showed willingness to sell BBM in a deal similar to WhatsApp after reports of Facebook's acquisition came out.

Now, when asked to comment about the iPhone's growing popularity at the recent Oasis Montgomery conference, John was quick to jokingly reply that, "I call you guys wall-huggers," further claiming that the iPhone's battery drains pretty quickly and users are left searching for power outlets everywhere they go.

BlackBerry has lost its once dominenet marketshare over the years to iOS, Android and to some extent Windows Phone based smartphones, but that has not dissuaded the company's CEO from pointing out the shortcomings of the top smartphone maker.

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They should be careful of this type of publicity.

After hearing my BB loving friends loathe the < 1day battery life of the Z10, their customer base are also 'wall huggers'.

Personally, I've gotten to the point that there's a spare microUSB cable hanging out of every outlet in every room I spend any considerable time while I wait for battery technology to improve.

singularity87 said,
Is it really a good strategy to say anything that sounds negative about people you want to switch to your product? Just a thought . . .

I think you are missing the point here. He isn't really saying anything bad, he's trying to bring awareness to those iPhone users he likes to call 'wall huggers' who after reading this may realize why yes I do happen to be more focused about constantly being charged. Causing them to place more weight on their decision regarding battery life when selecting their next phone.

Are iPhones really growing in popularity? All I see is Android taking most of its once massive market share (although Apple still makes money due to its huge markups).

I could see why the Blackberry wouldn't need to be charged as much... i would barely use it because I really don't find it to work that well.

But my iPhone/Android yea they use battery life but I use them all day long and they are better devices so yes I am wall hugger but because I rely on them so much throughout the day.

Even though I love my iphone (and ipad) and proud to be a "wall hugger"...I laughed my ass off when I read the headline.

Grinch said,
That thing ate battery power like it was candy.

But then you are comparing a Fiat Punto (iPhone 5S) against a Ferrari 458 Italia (Samsung Galaxy Note 3).

Ofc the awesome Ferrari is going to use ALOT more fuel than a small wimpy Fiat Punto lol. But it's not hard to figure out where the driving fun is. Sure the Fiat gets you from A to B in the same way as the Ferrari does, but if you sets the driving experience high on your list, then again, it's not hard to choose the car.

at least iphones have _apps_ to deplete its batteries.

what can you do with bb? swipe the screen left and right repeatedly so as to makes you look busy?

oh i'm sorry. you prefer to play with the thumbboard.

Rudy said,
At least I'm not the CEO of a dying company who has gone through 2 CEOs in no time

LOL!! Rudy CEO of the Comments Section

suppose it depends on your iOS version too --- have one of the 'drainer' versions and your iPhone will be dead in 40 - 60 mins. I'm not an Apple fan, but they have done well to maintain their 30 odd % of the market (given most of their kit do not allow a user to change the battery), but Google still have over 64% share, and with some judicious use of power management and not having your screen on full brightness, getting 24 hours out of a smartphone is usually about as good as you can hope.

Shame how they would rather work on bumping processor power than battery longevity. Shall be sticking with. Phone that lasts 1week between charges ta...

I'm no fan of iPhone but use one when on call for work and can get a few days with only calls, SMS/MMS, emails and the odd app like LogMeIn.

It's easy to have good battery life when their is pretty much nothing to do on your phone. BB just needs to die already the death spiral for them is just painful to watch.

In regards to what, nothing to do?

Calls? SMSs? Email;s? Social Media? Maps? IM? what is it exactly that a BB does not have to do all day?

:-) ?

swanlee said,
It's easy to have good battery life when their is pretty much nothing to do on your phone. BB just needs to die already the death spiral for them is just painful to watch.

iLogic?

swanlee said,
....

Actually they do not need to die. Their patent portfolio is still worth billions.

They need to drop out of the smartphone race and focus on embedded, where MS clearly has dropped the ball with little to no public information regarding the embedded editions of 8/RT, which still require too much CPU for the average embedded infrastructure.

QNX is overtaking ICE vehicle systems, right where it belongs.


swanlee said,
It's easy to have good battery life when their is pretty much nothing to do on your phone. BB just needs to die already the death spiral for them is just painful to watch.

The BlackBerry 10 devices - Z30, Z10 and Q10 can do pretty much anything that an iPhone can. Emails, maps, gaming, social media, hotspot, etc. They even have features that the iPhone lacks - ie NFC, hdmi connectors, removable sd card, etc

And regarding your comment that BlackBerry must die, analysts, tech bloggers and others have been saying this every year since 2011. But guess what? 3 years later in 2014 BlackBerry is still around. And I can bet that in 5 years you will still be predicting BlackBerry's death. But unfortunately for you and others who hate BlackBerry, they will still be around.

francescob said,

That's where Phablets save the day

phablet have larger battery but have larger display too, larger display consumes more battery. so its a trade off.

trojan_market said,

phablet have larger battery but have larger display too, larger display consumes more battery. so its a trade off.

When turned on, yes, but it still lasts weeks on standby (and almost a whole month with internet disabled). Even at 6% (the value that triggers the last battery warning) I can still call for more than half an hour. Super-awesome.

francescob said,

When turned on, yes, but it still lasts weeks on standby (and almost a whole month with internet disabled). Even at 6% (the value that triggers the last battery warning) I can still call for more than half an hour. Super-awesome.

then what is the point of carrying that enormous device on have it on standby all the time. a small non-smart Nokia Phone can beat the phablet on standby time for fraction of weight, size and price.

trojan_market said,

then what is the point of carrying that enormous device on have it on standby all the time. a small non-smart Nokia Phone can beat the phablet on standby time for fraction of weight, size and price.

If only it was that easy. With two phones I'd have to pay for two different phone contracts (calls and data are tied together). Also a 6'' or 7'' phablet is still less annoying to carry than two different phones plus some phablets spec-wise are incredibly cheap, cheaper than comparable smartphones (150€ for an unsubsidized Fonepad HD7).

ambiance said,
Battery life is a shortcoming of ALL smartphones.
Try a Note 3. I get a full 24 hour day plus 8 hours of day 2 on a single charge. CONSITANTLY!

On weekends my phones last 2 complete 24hr days with no problem based on my usage.

After the royal ####up they called the playbook.. blackberry has lost my support. I bought the playbook with the promise of full Android support with the 2.0 update. They failed to deliver. We were then told that without a doubt we would get bb 10 which would put the tablet ahead of everything else (solid QNX + Full (native) Android support up to 4.0). Yet 10 months after that announcement we were told "Nope".

Now this new CEO Comes in and has pretty much declared the playbook abandoned. The PB is more than capable, and is a good tablet. But for them to drop support and abandon plans pissed me off.

Try to stay on topic. The discussion is not about the BlackBerry Playbook tablet. It is about the battery life on the iPhone.

iPhones have some of the best battery life of modern smartphones, I have friends with 5 and 5s's and we all outlast other friends with S3/4's and Nexuses.

The only reason i can think iPhones users are wall huggers is because of this:
http://www.electronista.com/ar...spent.but.in.similar.areas/
We use out phones a lot more, as such we drain the battery faster, but at benchmark I'm fairly sure iPhones are some of the longest lasting batteries.

The biggest battery drainer are Location based apps. The battery life for iPhone 5 (that's what I have) under iOS 6.x really sucked badly.. because location based apps don't die even when you closed them. That was fixed with iOS 7.x, and yes, my battery life got a whole lot better (like, I could actually charge it next day better, not have to do it on the same day).

Now if rumor is right... iOS 7.1 will re-introduce the bug, thanks to some dumbass360 developer who feels it is great idea to run its geolocation based app in the background even when the app is explicitly shut off by the user.

Of course that only leaves you back to the two solutions that I had to use back in iOS 6.x.. 1. Disable the Location permission for the app or 2. Delete the app all together from the device.

But I would also make an extra point by saying that I boycott life360 for writing that stupid letter to apple

There is nothing wrong with my Z30 or 9900, both do up to several days with a single charge and as shown above unlike sheep I am not left looking for somewhere to plug my phone in of an evening.

I'd rather have ruled the earth than be dropping off a cliff.

-adrian- said,
maybe because it cant be used as much as another smartphone due to lack of software

In an ideal world that might be true, but what apps do you use *all* the time that BBs users don't have?

Always the way, 10,000 fart apps does not a marketplace make :-)

-adrian- said,
maybe because it cant be used as much as another smartphone due to lack of software

Lack of software? how so? Using Snap to access Google play store doesn't seem like there's any sort of app gap too me, Perhaps you should just stop parroting what the "bloggers" tell you and actually use one. For example my Z30 I last charged Thursday over night. I had a very heavy day of use while I was at a vendors on Friday. Light use Saturday and Sunday and at 11pm Sunday night I still has 25ish percent battery which probably would get me most of the way through Monday but decided not to be a "wall hugger" and charged up over night. Care to do that with your cell phone?

In fairness, I am somewhat of a wall-hugger as well with my S4, glancing at my phone regularly to make sure I have plenty of charge. Checking your battery power has become the new checking your watch. Although now that I have a portable charger I worry about it less.

However, I would still prefer to be a wall-hugger than a Blackberry user. BB just doesn't offer me anything special.

Huh? These features have been available on android, both as integrated and separate, way longer than they have on BB10. Let me remind you that the entire keyboard API for BB10 is from swifkey. Not something your dear company came up with. And the swipe features are not new either. They are not special, they have been available for a long time now.

dxgs said,
.....

So you can type in three different languages on Android keyboard without changing input language?

Nifty. BB had me believing they were the first.

Nick H. said,
In fairness, I am somewhat of a wall-hugger as well with my S4, glancing at my phone regularly to make sure I have plenty of charge. Checking your battery power has become the new checking your watch. Although now that I have a portable charger I worry about it less.

However, I would still prefer to be a wall-hugger than a Blackberry user. BB just doesn't offer me anything special.

I don't personally have an S4, my wife does. She has it in her hand pretty much constantly. I made it a point to see how much she uses it and how fast the battery is dying.

Right now on my device the Note 3 it is 11:10 an I took my phone off the charger at 730 this morning when I got up. It is still at 96% charged. I know my wife's phone loses a little more in 3 hours. But for the past 3 hours I haven't used my phone while she uses hers.

She seems to lose 10% of her charge every hour based on her usage. After 8 hours when I pick her up at 530 from work, she has 30% of her life left. While in the car which takes us about 40min to an hour to get home she loses another 10% and then the phones drops the screen brightness and beeps for low battery.

But she uses it like crazy. Many times she walks away and just leaves the screen on for long minutes. Yet she still gets a full days usage. She plays games, watches movies and is constantly typing. Neither of us gets lots of phone calls at all.

Tests show the S4 has a great battery when you consider all its capabilities vs the iPhone. I mean, just look at the specs.

Isn't the iPhone still one of the smartphones with the longest battery life? I remember only the DROID MAXX lasting more in tests (but maybe that was against the iPhone 5, not the 5S).

francescob said,
Isn't the iPhone still one of the smartphones with the longest battery life? I remember only the DROID MAXX lasting more in tests (but maybe that was against the iPhone 5, not the 5S).

I get 60 hours from my phone. I can guarantee there has never been an iPhone manufactured in history that can get that.

I can easily go a weekend without charging mine. Plenty of web browsing, gps use, etc other app usage. My 4S had great battery life and this 5S is even better. The iPhone has always been known for good battery life considering the size of the battery. It has longer life than the S4, which has a battery almost twice it's size.

Blackberry has absolutely nothing going for it anymore, so obviously this is just an act of desperation. The sinking ship will capsize eventually.

I get 48 hours of standby time at the most. Of course I actually use my phone and when I do, it lasts for about 3/4th of the day.

That said, John Chen should be more worried about his companies relevance than the iPhone's battery.

i get a couple of days, 1 day if it's hard use on my iPhone 5.

Battery is replaceable, take it or send it to apple, it's as replaceable as my parents Nokia 925 phone.

PhilTheThrill said,

I get 60 hours from my phone. I can guarantee there has never been an iPhone manufactured in history that can get that.


unless you put a larger battery inside your phone, all smart phones are pretty much the same because most of power sucked by display and touch. so either you are not using smartphone, or it doesn't have touch screen or your phone weights more than 2 pounds

DaveBG said,
no, and also their battery is one of fastest degrading ones. and guess what it cannot be replaced ...

What do you mean that it's one of the fastest degrading ones? 400 nominal charges doesn't seem that bad to me. Also it's certainly not the only phone where the battery isn't user-swappable, many other smartphones/phablets/tablets are using those irritating integrated batteries now (in some cases truly impossible to replace).

DaveBG said,
no, and also their battery is one of fastest degrading ones. and guess what it cannot be replaced ...

At least provide some proof, a study that proves such claims. Now you just look like a basher. Are you just are.

Astra.Xtreme said,

7 years ago?... What was the verdict?
I don't think anybody cares what happened that long ago anyway.


Also it seems to be regarding the fact that the battery cannot be swapped by the user, not about how it degrades faster than others.

trojan_market said,

unless you put a larger battery inside your phone, all smart phones are pretty much the same because most of power sucked by display and touch. so either you are not using smartphone, or it doesn't have touch screen or your phone weights more than 2 pounds

lol...you actually believe that?

Astra.Xtreme said,
I can easily go a weekend without charging mine. Plenty of web browsing, gps use, etc other app usage. My 4S had great battery life and this 5S is even better. The iPhone has always been known for good battery life considering the size of the battery. It has longer life than the S4, which has a battery almost twice it's size.

Blackberry has absolutely nothing going for it anymore, so obviously this is just an act of desperation. The sinking ship will capsize eventually.

You're comparing the battery-life on a phone, where 50% of the battery is its physical size. To a phone like the S4 that has a biiger screen, higher resolution, 4 cores vs 2 and has full multi-tasking, supports flash and more?

I mean really? And you wonder why I say some posts are stupid. I am not saying your post is stupid. I am saying the comparison is poor. You are comparing a phone that is better at pretty much everything. My wife has the S4. But she plays with it pretty much all day. It doesn't beep for low battery until she is heading to bed. My Note 3 last me a full day and a 1/2 on a single charge. But I don't game on it all day like she does with the screen comstantly blasting.

But even if, I can at least drop in another battery if I had too. But I have yet to even buy one for my Note of her S4.

Your comparison of battery for a phone that has 2x's the hardware, 10x's the capabilities and features, and handles services and aplications differently just shows how biased you are to one side and how easy it is for you to be critical of something that is better.

How about this fact for you. Yes the S4 battery does last as long as an iPhone. But even thought the iPhone 5S battery is half the size, the S4 battery charges back up to0 100% in 1/2 the time It takes the S4 less than 2 hours to full charge. It takes my Note 3 only 2 hours to fully charge. This is based on charging from roughly 20% battery. The S4has a longer standby time compared to an iPhone (any model) and more.

I like how you don't take in consideration the differences of the 2 devices while talking about how much better battery-life is on the iPhone. For a device with an under-clocked CPU, 1GB of RAM, no real multi-tasking, one app at a time usage and no features van compared with a full featured device. I have owned 3 Galaxy flagship devices...the GS3 and the GN2 and now GN3 and I typically get one day and a 1/2 of usage with no charging.

The iPhone's battery isn't as great as you claim it is. Which I why CEO's like Blackberry's criticized the battery-life of the iPhone.

That's why the iPhone battery last longer.

Jundor said,

At least provide some proof, a study that proves such claims. Now you just look like a basher. Are you just are.

Read what these guys are saying - http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1665221


http://www.extremetech.com/com...nificantly-reduced-by-ios-7

Oh and a quick google brings up an almost endless degree of suggestions on "HOW TO INCREASE iPhone BATTERY LIFE".

If the iPhone's battery was as great as some people claim, why so many articles.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/...nce-and-battery-life_Page-4

Read what the reviewer said about the battery life vs the S4.

Edited by Hi_XPecTa_Chens, Mar 11 2014, 4:23pm :

Astra.Xtreme said,

7 years ago?... What was the verdict?
I don't think anybody cares what happened that long ago anyway.

A quick Google shows the Galaxy S 4 battery life was better than the iPhone 5. - https://www.google.com/search?...s-iphone-5%252F%3B650%3B600

Considering the fact that the iPhone 5S battery is only slightly larger than the 5S' battery (less than 20% bigger) the battery life hasn't changed much.

In fact, most of the reviews I have read stated iOS7 had made the iPhone have terrible battery-life.

Now I don have an iPhone 5 or 5S and have never had one, so I can't speak from experience. But I do have an iPhone 4 and 4S. I se the 4 in my car because it has 64GB and all my music and my 4S has only 16GB which I use at home.

When I lay the phone down fully charged with NO USAGE, it loses roughly 1% to 3% of its charge every 5 mins. The screen is off, no apps are open other than Apple's background apps which u cant close.

YEt facts and tests show the S4 actually outlasted the iPhone 5/5S in many cases. The only cases where the iPhone won was when playing video in a loop until the phone died. However in all those tests, the iPhone only slightly beat the S4.

But considering these factors, the iPhone has a dualcore vs quad, has 1GB of RAM vs 2GB, has a smaller screen at 4" vs 5", has a resolution of 1136x640 vs 1920x1080 and where the S4 battery physically (not numerically) smaller than the iPhone's battery, the iPhone should have won by a landslide and yet it did not. It last longer only by a few minutes.

Which leads to this simple question. For a phone like he iPhone that is half what the S4 is in hardware capability, is smaller in size and has limited features, why is it only slilghtly better in test results?

Hi_XPecTa_Chens said,
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Why are you all caught up in specs? Will a 500HP car always be faster than a 300HP car simply because it has higher specs? I go by what the tests/benchmarks say, not your opinion... Sorry...

The 5S outperforms the S4 in cpu and ram tests along with the battery duration. The S4 packs all that power with that huge battery, and it's still mediocre. Perhaps if Samsung was smart enough to realize that the AMOLED screen power consumption largely depends on the colors being displayed. If TouchWiz wasn't garbage, it would do wonders for them.

Stand-by time is basically meaningless since nobody is going to let the phone sit for 2 weeks off the charger. The point of a phone is to use it...

And I really don't care what gimmicks Samsung crams into their software. I don't want any of it and all it does it bloat the OS and deteriorate the performance. I need something that's fast and stable, doesn't lag, gets good battery life, and isn't bloated with crap. Samsung can't even come close to meeting my needs efficiently. I would massively prefer a Nexus over the mess that Samsung puts out every year.

btw, Android hasn't supported flash for 2 years now. Not that flash is even important on a mobile device...

Edited by Astra.Xtreme, Mar 11 2014, 4:43pm :