China wants Microsoft to extend Windows XP support past April 8th

Data from StatCounter shows that Windows XP is still used by over 50 percent of all PCs in China.

In just over four months, Microsoft is scheduled to stop supporting Windows XP after over 12 years. Now it appears the government of China would like for the company to reconsider its support cut off date of April 8th.

In a report on the Chinese language TechWeb site, Yan Xiaohong, deputy director of China’s National Copyright Administration, is quoted as saying that the shut down of Windows XP support could lead to more security threats and increased use of pirated software. He stated, "These practices affect the smooth operations of genuine software in China."

The translated article does not make clear if the government of China has sent a formal request to Microsoft to extend the life of Windows XP. In November, Microsoft cut the price of Windows 8 in China down to the equivalent of just $49 for a limited time, in order to encourage PC users in that country to upgrade to the new OS.

According to data from StatCounter, over half of China's PCs still use Windows XP. Windows 7 is used by about a third of PCs in that country but Microsoft no longer sells a version of that OS in China.

Source: TechWeb via NetworkWorld | Image via StatCounter

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My XP systems will go the route that my 98se sys did. When no one has a new IE, firefox ect, for it I use a new linux made just for internet that runs in ram and if I download anything the linux can move it from ram disk to 98se and now XPs hard drive. The 98se or soon XP will never have to be on line.

Do not forget to add the thousands of financial institutions and health care organization which are still using XP Professional! [Customers of both...take a peak at their splash screen, lo and behold, there is XP Professional.]

Gaara sama said,
Let create a PETITION to extend the support. for XP!!

We can call it the "Save XP" campaign, and host it on InfoWorld!

/s

Spicoli said,
Steal it widely and then ask for more support? I think Microsoft will flip them the clippy.

Or use the situation to make them pay to extend the support.

Hello,

Another possibility might be that some surveillance technologies and mechanisms used by the Chinese government to collect data on network activities by its citzens may not be compatible with newer versions of Windows.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

goretsky said,
Hello,

Another possibility might be that some surveillance technologies and mechanisms used by the Chinese government to collect data on network activities by its citzens may not be compatible with newer versions of Windows.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky


You mean the NSA, right?

goretsky said,
Hello,

Another possibility might be that some surveillance technologies and mechanisms used by the Chinese government to collect data on network activities by its citzens may not be compatible with newer versions of Windows.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

Not likely, those of us who surf the net in China goes through the great firewall, it doesn't matter what OS we use, the traffic is still routed through there. People talk about using VPN and whatever to stay secure, but to be honest I highly doubt it really is that way, the government just chooses to ignore the few who uses VPN, as long as the masses is controlled then they aren't going to have much reactions.

Hello,

Well, even internally there might be targets for increased surveillance. For example, I would imagine that folks involved in discussions of

• anti-corruption
• Christianity
• Falun Gong
• Tiananmen Square Massacre
• Tibetan rights

and so forth would all be subject to additional scrutiny. Of course, that also applies to targets outside of China as well, and if they were to upgrade to... less permeable technologies, that could cause some additional work for Chinese intelligence.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

goretsky said,
Hello,

Well, even internally there might be targets for increased surveillance. For example, I would imagine that folks involved in discussions of

• anti-corruption
• Christianity
• Falun Gong
• Tiananmen Square Massacre
• Tibetan rights

and so forth would all be subject to additional scrutiny. Of course, that also applies to targets outside of China as well, and if they were to upgrade to... less permeable technologies, that could cause some additional work for Chinese intelligence.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky


You sound like a certain TV channel talking. Do you have any friends that's actually Chinese that lived in China for a long time recently?

Convert them all to linux... Let 2014 be the year of linux!...

Yeah... or not... Just upgrade those junk PC's the amount of money lost using them must be insane. XP machines are old, and likely use more power than a modern PC to run, are slower so less work can be done in a set amount of time and the support for new applications (ones better than the old) might not work. Upgrading is a no brainer.

Vester said,
Convert them all to linux... Let 2014 be the year of linux!...

Yeah...whatever happened to the state-sponsored Linux-based OS China was going to develop on its own, since the closed-source OSes from the imperialist swines couldn't be trusted?

I may be somewhat misquoting, but I do remember reading about that a few years ago...

extending support wont change a thing, but of microsoft are trying to force users to use the newest OSes, they will contradict themselves if they extend the support for china, and if they do, some other country might start whining

ZipZapRap said,

Proof?

Err did you miss the bits that state XP goes EOL in 4 months, and that MS no longer sells a version of Win7 in China?
The only option for them to use a supported MS operating system beyond April is to use Win8. Seems fairly clear to me that MS are trying to force users hands.

Saex_Conroy said,
you want proof?

here:

internet explorer 9, 10, 11 wont install or run on XP

And look how awesome IE became after shedding the XP legacy baggage.

true, i like the new IE, it even has adblock plus, i just prefer using firefox

on the other hand i just had a talk with my dad about china, i forgot to mention in my original comment that above 60% of chinese people live in poverty and those people's priority is not to have the latest OS with virus protection, their main priority is to survive, having a computer AND INTERNET sometimes is a great luxury at some places so people are probably content with XP and IE 6, and some probably dont know about future versions

i live in bulgaria and here almost every copy of windows is pirated, including mine, until few days ago i was using XP, because i had my first HDD from 2005 - it was an 80GB Seagate Barracuda, then I bouth a new one - some Seagate with 500GB, now i use windows 7 and have no intention in going back to XP

20legend said,
Err did you miss the bits that state XP goes EOL in 4 months, and that MS no longer sells a version of Win7 in China?
.

that's not forcing. there are other options out there. Are they making it hard? Sure, but that's not "forcing" which is a word that gets used far too much on the interweb in this context

Saex_Conroy said,
you want proof?

internet explorer 9, 10, 11 wont install or run on XP

Because things like Direct2D and DirectWrite that IE9+ use don't exist in Windows XP.

I take you think that not releasing IE9 for XP was just an arbitrary decision?

Good luck trying to get those versions of IE to run under Windows-7 64-bit systems. Does "9C59" error (?) come to mind, along with some other nasty error messages??

Ahhh I can see it already, our dear EU commission slapping on another hefty fine for MS for not supporting their outdated software just because half the world still uses it
They truly can't win. Am I glad I am not the CEO of a multinational corporation

Have sent a full translation to John Callaham, nowhere does it states that the Chinese has asked for extension of support, so I'm thinking the article was chucked thru a translation software, and they took the word support, termiantion of XP support and chucked it into an article with a juicy title. Of course the article isn't clear on whether the Chinese asked Microsoft the extend support, because it never even mentioned that in the first place.

What the article conveys clearly is China's request - They want everyone to band together and have special pricing for the Chinese region. For example, anti-virus software is sold extremely cheap in China, for example a 3C/3Y license for Norton 360 is around 60USD on Norton's Chinese website, whereas for the US it's 175USD. They want everything to be more affordable for Chinese users, even though personally I don't see it helping at all.

The problem with China is the mentality of the people. I work in IT myself, and when I was talking with my boss about buying genuine software and songs, they look at me like a moron, asking why buy when it can be pirated. It has nothing to do with how much effort the government or the companies put it, it's a fundamental mentality issue, and unless that is fixed, everything will stay the same. Having special pricing in the region may persuade some to change, but it's not the way to do it.

Stormeh said,
Have sent a full translation to John Callaham, nowhere does it states that the Chinese has asked for extension of support, so I'm thinking the article was chucked thru a translation software, and they took the word support, termiantion of XP support and chucked it into an article with a juicy title. Of course the article isn't clear on whether the Chinese asked Microsoft the extend support, because it never even mentioned that in the first place.

What the article conveys clearly is China's request - They want everyone to band together and have special pricing for the Chinese region. For example, anti-virus software is sold extremely cheap in China, for example a 3C/3Y license for Norton 360 is around 60USD on Norton's Chinese website, whereas for the US it's 175USD. They want everything to be more affordable for Chinese users, even though personally I don't see it helping at all.

The problem with China is the mentality of the people. I work in IT myself, and when I was talking with my boss about buying genuine software and songs, they look at me like a moron, asking why buy when it can be pirated. It has nothing to do with how much effort the government or the companies put it, it's a fundamental mentality issue, and unless that is fixed, everything will stay the same. Having special pricing in the region may persuade some to change, but it's not the way to do it.


Finally someone really know what's going on in China regarding software.

This is just one of another sensationalist neowin piece.

Xilo said,
John is notorious for skewing articles and putting bad information.

He does know how to cater to the audience, instead of being a journalist.

Richteralan said,

He does know how to cater to the audience, instead of being a journalist.

Would do well at Fox News.

Stormeh said,
The problem with China is the mentality of the people. I work in IT myself, and when I was talking with my boss about buying genuine software and songs, they look at me like a moron, asking why buy when it can be pirated. It has nothing to do with how much effort the government or the companies put it, it's a fundamental mentality issue, and unless that is fixed, everything will stay the same. Having special pricing in the region may persuade some to change, but it's not the way to do it.

Stealing software, movies, songs or any other work product isn't a big deal until it's your livelihood being stolen. What software, movies, songs or other original work is designed, produced in China and exported to the rest of the world right now? Anything they would get upset about if it got pirated?

Xilo said,

Would do well at Fox News.

And Microsoft are now collaborating with Fox News, at least that should tell something ...

webdev511 said,

Stealing software, movies, songs or any other work product isn't a big deal until it's your livelihood being stolen. What software, movies, songs or other original work is designed, produced in China and exported to the rest of the world right now? Anything they would get upset about if it got pirated?

Nail hit on head. By pirating software and other commodities, China has ensured it will never, ever have a domestic industry in that commodity. To be honest, who cares about movies and tunes. But software? Estimates are that over 80% of the "things" that will make up the Internet of Things will be made in China. But 100% of the IP will be US, British and Finnish. Moreover, as software moves from in-device to the Cloud it will become increasingly difficult and perhaps impossible to copy. You can't steal a cloud.

China will be the biggest loser, not the biggest winner, in the Internet of Things unless and until it can produce its own domestic software industry. But to do that they'll have to stop stealing.

Major_Plonquer said,

Nail hit on head. By pirating software and other commodities, China has ensured it will never, ever have a domestic industry in that commodity. To be honest, who cares about movies and tunes. But software? Estimates are that over 80% of the "things" that will make up the Internet of Things will be made in China. But 100% of the IP will be US, British and Finnish. Moreover, as software moves from in-device to the Cloud it will become increasingly difficult and perhaps impossible to copy. You can't steal a cloud.

China will be the biggest loser, not the biggest winner, in the Internet of Things unless and until it can produce its own domestic software industry. But to do that they'll have to stop stealing.


Part of the stealing has to do with software pricing, or the lack of software pricing in China. When you have a huge population which the average monthly wage is around USD$250, it is extremely unwise to price your software to cost almost their one month of the salary. The software companies in the US realized this too late, e.g. MS only started to sell Windows 7 Home Basic for USD$59 in China from 2009.


Graham Brant, Microsoft's general manager for Microsoft Hong Kong, said in May, 2000, that Microsoft has a "a great market share [in China] but not a lot of revenue". Microsoft software is just too expensive for the market. With Microsoft not being able to ensure that Windows is pre-loaded on most PCs in China, the consequence is that the piracy rate is believed to be around 95 per cent.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...gh_prices_false_steps_help/

You can have your own opinion about China. But there's no denial that MS, and most software companies failed miserably at the regional pricing department. And yet they blame piracy because it's so convenient a la MPAA/RIAA.

Major_Plonquer said,

Nail hit on head. By pirating software and other commodities, China has ensured it will never, ever have a domestic industry in that commodity. To be honest, who cares about movies and tunes. But software? Estimates are that over 80% of the "things" that will make up the Internet of Things will be made in China. But 100% of the IP will be US, British and Finnish. Moreover, as software moves from in-device to the Cloud it will become increasingly difficult and perhaps impossible to copy. You can't steal a cloud.

Actually believe it or not, China has a booming software industry. In most areas they have decent software house as programmers are a dime a dozen who are extremely talented. What China lacks is innovation, as all their software are just replicas of others (ie. QQ is a combination of all the features from ICQ/MSN/WLM/AIM/etc, or 360 creating a whole lot of tools which includes anti-virus, winrar-alike, etc)

Linux desktop is a pretty face. Try KDE 4.12RC1. It looks cool. It downloads my emails. It can browse the internet, download music/movies and view them. It can be used to chat with your gmail/irc/facebook friends. It's enough for the bare minimal desktop users. I haven't needed windows at home in almost a decade now. So...it works for people who don't want to upgrade past XP or pay for windows/software.

They're a company, I'm sure they'll acknowledge anyone with enough money. They can't pay their shareholders with happy thoughts.

One of the most ridiculous and hypocritical requests I've ever seen. The only thing I'm afraid of is if this becomes an official request from the Chinese govt., with hints dropped about what will happen to Microsoft's prospects there were they to refuse. If MS caves in to such pressure it will be disastrous IMO, because they simply cannot afford to make any more exceptions this time.

seta-san said,
Their problem is that financial institutions still rely on ie6

I never quite understood this...

Someone writes some software that works perfectly on IE6.... but they never thought an update was needed?

And the companies who bought this software never thought of that either?

Michael Scrip said,

I never quite understood this...

Someone writes some software that works perfectly on IE6.... but they never thought an update was needed?

And the companies who bought this software never thought of that either?


Financial institutions still use COBOL and FORTRAN systems.

Xilo said,
Financial institutions still use COBOL and FORTRAN systems.

COBOL and FORTRAN aren't systems, they are programming languages.

Technically speaking, it's not wrong to refer to a system built with COBOL or FORTRAN as "a COBOL system" or "a FORTRAN system". Of course adding the word "-based" will quickly clear up the confusion.

Will be interesting to see the global effects of discontinuing support for XP...

With zero-day exploits not being fixed and marketshare still that high? It's going to be a bloodbath.

rfirth said,
Will be interesting to see the global effects of discontinuing support for XP...

With zero-day exploits not being fixed and marketshare still that high? It's going to be a bloodbath.

For China anyway.

warwagon said,
and for the other 40% of the XP market share.

I'm suppose to sympathize with them because? They have no excuses. China's only crying because they have no other software to pirate.

Dot Matrix said,

For China anyway.

You seem to think that WinXP is not still used in the US...hahah don't kid yourself

So after reading the article, China doesn't actually want MS to extend support for XP, and it's just some official, somewhere, saying it would increase piracy, and that's it?

Well okay, then the title is just a little misleading...

As for extending XP support. No.

Most of these pirated XP copies in China have updates turned off (hence the use of IE6), extending support wouldn't actually do anything for them.

Let's extend support for the largest software-pirating population in the world. Umm how about no?

They made their (cheaply, poorly constructed) bed. Let them lie in it.

The only reason China is asking for an XP support extension is because Windows vista, 7 and 8 have tougher anti-piracy features installed!

Edited by Atomic Wanderer Chicken, Dec 5 2013, 12:33am :

Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 are ridiculously easy to crack, especially with KMS solutions (or OEM certs with Windows 7). In fact if anything the fact that all KMS activations pass genuine checks makes newer versions of Windows easier to crack.

All update on windows requires authentication, so serial key or cracked method would be pretty hard. I don't know this KMS method

And windows update a lot.

Javik said,
Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 are ridiculously easy to crack, especially with KMS solutions (or OEM certs with Windows 7). In fact if anything the fact that all KMS activations pass genuine checks makes newer versions of Windows easier to crack.

Javik said,
Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 are ridiculously easy to crack, especially with KMS solutions (or OEM certs with Windows 7). In fact if anything the fact that all KMS activations pass genuine checks makes newer versions of Windows easier to crack.

Not positive about Windows 8, but Windows 7 sure is easy to crack AND keep updated!!

So was/is XP! Don't know why the Chinese can't keep the IE updated?

For obvious reasons I can't tell you what the application is but there's a certain application that completely automates KMS activations for Office and Windows, and installs an auto re-activation mechanism that re-activates anything that comes into it's grace period. 1 click install, as easy as it gets.

could lead to more security threats and increased use of pirated software.

Isn't everyone in China already pirating XP? I don't see how cutting support for it would increase piracy. Also why should Microsoft care about what they want since most of them don't pay for the software anyway.

No enterprise would allow the update that does it to install and for customers for that it install without knowing it would just create more negative energy towards MS.

Atomic Wanderer Chicken said,
Microsoft should go in for the kill and make XP installations shutdown every hour with a message saying to upgrade to a newer version of Windows!

Why? You paid for software, not a subscription...

neufuse said,
Why? You paid for software, not a subscription...

Actually, you paid for a license to use the software.
The license is subject to the providers terms of service, which if you've poured through you will see MS reserves certain rights...

Atomic Wanderer Chicken said,
Microsoft should go in for the kill and make XP installations shutdown every hour with a message saying to upgrade to a newer version of Windows!

And why is that. Do you even realize how stupid this policy if implemented will sound. People who paid for XP have rights to use it indefinitely. MS has right to stop providing support when they decide too but going further and intentionally cripple the software is one of the most ridiculous thing I heard.

deadonthefloor said,

Actually, you paid for a license to use the software.
The license is subject to the providers terms of service, which if you've poured through you will see MS reserves certain rights...

Let MS dare to do that and we will see how they stand out in court. There is always some reasonability of usage of product. Accepting license to use the software does not give MS rights to start sabotaging people's purchased product. If people do not like their crappier Win 8 then they are not obliged to upgrade if they can live with their old version of software.

I don't understand what you mean? You can use it indefinitely, the only thing that I think you are refuting was MS stop supporting it. Is it wrong for MS to stop updating first original Xbox? Pretty soon those china men will realized no one build application for it and Hasta la bye bye.

Auditor said,

And why is that. Do you even realize how stupid this policy if implemented will sound. People who paid for XP have rights to use it indefinitely. MS has right to stop providing support when they decide too but going further and intentionally cripple the software is one of the most ridiculous thing I heard.

minster11 said,
I don't understand what you mean? You can use it indefinitely, the only thing that I think you are refuting was MS stop supporting it. Is it wrong for MS to stop updating first original Xbox? Pretty soon those china men will realized no one build application for it and Hasta la bye bye.

Although I can't speak for Auditor, I believe he has issue with Atomic Wanderer Chicken's absurd suggestion, not the loss of support.

Ah.. I see it,
Thanks

Ian William said,

Although I can't speak for Auditor, I believe he has issue with Atomic Wanderer Chicken's absurd suggestion, not the loss of support.

Atomic Wanderer Chicken said,
Microsoft should go in for the kill and make XP installations shutdown every hour with a message saying to upgrade to a newer version of Windows!

Flat out one of the dumbest things I've ever read about ANYTHING, period!!