Chrome overtakes Internet Explorer in market share

Well would you look at that: for the first time in many, many years, Microsoft's Internet Explorer is not holding the crown for the browser used by most people worldwide. According to the latest stats by StatCounter for Week 20 of 2012, Google Chrome has managed to overtake IE by the smallest of margins as shown by the graph below.

According to StatCounter, Chrome now commands 32.76% of the worldwide market, compared to 31.94% for Internet Explorer and 25.47% for Firefox. This places a browser other than Internet Explorer in the top position for the first time since (roughly) 1998, if Wikipedia's historical statistics are anything to go by; quite a momentous occasion for the Chrome team and the browser they launched under four years ago.

Of course when you stop looking at worldwide stats and start looking at individual regions, Internet Explorer has been losing out for some time. Firefox overtook IE in Europe back in late 2010, while Chrome overtook IE in Asia just a few months ago. IE still has the lead in North America (just) with 37.26% over Chrome with 25.86%, however things aren't looking so good for the fate of Microsoft's browser.

Here at Neowin, Chrome has been the browser of choice by our readers for some time, followed by Firefox, with Internet Explorer sitting around 22% when looking at the site statistics.

Thanks to FaiKee for the tip via the forums!

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Firefox is still best in my books, Chrome is my secondary browser. IE is still horrible, but at least IE 9.0 improved it a lot.

of course Chrome gets bigger and bigger it is promoted on the homepage of #1 most visited website google.com (if you access it using any other browser)

...not to say that it comes as install with most freeware applications because google pay big $


but this does not mean that is better than Firefox

drazgoosh said,
As a Chrome user, I'm happy.
Kinda want to see how fast IE10 will be when it's finally released.

To be fair, I use it now on Win8 CP in both Metro and Desktop and I've found it to be faster then Chrome, haven't actually timed it but it just seems to start up quicker, also I find the new feature when closing tabs in IE10 (where they resize so the X for closing a tab is always under your mouse until you move away) makes it a lot easier to close several tabs at once, which I do more then I thought I would.

I would take this chart with a grain of salt. StatCounter is not exactly the go-to tracking service one uses for websites (i.e., Google Analytics).

Microsoft should just kill IE. and then make another browser for windows based on firefox. You can call it Firefox for windows. That's the only way to compete with chrome.

simplezz said,

Everyone knows netmarketshare applies esoteric filters to their small sample data, thus rendering any figures they release invalid.

Filters render data INvalid? You think this raw data with pre-loaded / fakely visited pages counted in are more reliable?

I personally won't help google on that one. I will only use chrome the day they will implement the bookmark separators. And dont tell me to add a bookmark with ----- as name. Every other damn browser on the planet can add bookmark separators. Even Netscape back in 1745 B.C!

Unlike Chrome or FF, IE is not multi-platform browser. Microsfot shoud release it to other platforms including OS X if they want to gain something

Edited by Nguyen07, May 21 2012, 12:24pm :

Nguyen07 said,
Unlike Chrome or FF, IE is not multi-platform browser. Microsfot shoud release it to other platforms including OS X if they want to gain something
Well on the mac they didn't use Trident as the engine for IE. They used an in-house engine called Tasman. Porting trident over to Mac OSX would take a lot of work as some the Hardware acceleration in IE is DirectX Dependant.

This can't be right, because I change back the default web browser on all 70 machines at work to Internet Explorer 2 weeks ago, that should have done something for MS. Oh well, web browser is a web browser. What Microsoft might have to do with Internet Explorer 11 is make it look almost like Chrome, come built in with Flash. In regards to performance though, IE 9 is faster than Chrome, I use it on a GPRS connection almost everyday, so I have enough evidence to know which web browser is faster.

pale moon 64-bit and opera 64-bit are my two most used browsers with ie9 64-bit least used.

until chrome drops it's phone home and move to 64-bit native, i don't plan on using it.

I think it's funny everyone being so aggressive against Internet Explorer and hateful towards it. If you don't want to f**k around with extensions and add-ons, IE9 is pretty damn perfect.
And lets face it, how many software installers come with Google services, like their toolbar and Chrome, attached - this could play a huge role in its increasing adoption because of the audience that just clicks through installers without checking what else is going on.

cleverclogs said,
I think it's funny everyone being so aggressive against Internet Explorer and hateful towards it. If you don't want to f**k around with extensions and add-ons, IE9 is pretty damn perfect.

Same feeling here. I wonder how much time do those people spend on something not related to them everyday.

If they don't like something, why they don't just "ignore it and let it die", but instead talk about it again and again and again and again. This makes me feel confused.

Those people just like a person yelling at random stuff everyday.

GraphiteCube said,

Same feeling here. I wonder how much time do those people spend on something not related to them everyday.

If they don't like something, why they don't just "ignore it and let it die", but instead talk about it again and again and again and again.

The article reported that Google surpassed IE; many people commented on it and some, liking IE, praise it; others who dislike it, trash the browser.
This the reason forums are useful: people debate their opinions...........
Unfortunately it seems that the number of people able to carry on an articulated conversation is decreasing faster than IE users........ which is very sad indeed.
PS I use IE 10............

cleverclogs said,
If you don't want to f**k around with extensions and add-ons, IE9 is pretty damn perfect.

Even if I could live without adblock plus, noscript, and the myriad extensions I use, I still wouldn't use IE. It's slow, insecure, and incompatible with many sites due to poor standards compliance.

cleverclogs said,

And lets face it, how many software installers come with Google services, like their toolbar and Chrome, attached - this could play a huge role in its increasing adoption because of the audience that just clicks through installers without checking what else is going on.

And how many installers come with Microsoft services? DirectX for one. It comes with the nasty Bing bar.

simplezz said,

Even if I could live without adblock plus, noscript, and the myriad extensions I use, I still wouldn't use IE. It's slow, insecure, and incompatible with many sites due to poor standards compliance.

Internet Explorer 9 has adblock... just enable tracking protection lists. You don't need an extension for this, it's built-in.

Slow, insecure, poor standards compliance? Sounds like you haven't used IE in a while.

simplezz said,

Even if I could live without adblock plus, noscript, and the myriad extensions I use, I still wouldn't use IE. It's slow, insecure, and incompatible with many sites due to poor standards compliance.


And how many installers come with Microsoft services? DirectX for one. It comes with the nasty Bing bar.

Last time i installed DX, there was no bing bar option, maybe you are the only one seeing that.

simrat said,

Last time i installed DX, there was no bing bar option, maybe you are the only one seeing that.


it is if you download DX from the microsoft website, the web installer comes with it.
but as barely anyone uses it, as DX installs come from software/games themself. few notice. not important either

Shadowzz said,

it is if you download DX from the microsoft website, the web installer comes with it.
but as barely anyone uses it, as DX installs come from software/games themself. few notice. not important either

ah i c, dint know that.
But again, Nothing wrong with that, MS is bundling "their" software with "their" software. On the other hand google and ask toolbar comes with thousands of softwares.

simplezz said,

. It's slow, insecure, and incompatible with many sites due to poor standards compliance.

Poor standard compliance?
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hard...nformance-test-is-ie9/10213

Poor security?

http://www.neowin.net/news/cha...safest-computing-experience
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...e_firefox_security_bakeoff/
"Chrome is the most secured browser, followed closely by Microsoft IE. Mozilla's open-source Firefox came in third, largely because of its omission of a security sandbox that shields vital parts of the Windows operating system from functions that parse JavaScript, images and other web content."

Not to mention that statistics show that IE is the browser that had the least security flaws over the last 10 years, and by far!


yet another Microsoft hateboy who doesn't bother with facts...

cleverclogs said,
I think it's funny everyone being so aggressive against Internet Explorer and hateful towards it. If you don't want to f**k around with extensions and add-ons, IE9 is pretty damn perfect.

It's the old IE versions that we truly hate. IE9 is ok if you just want a basic browser, but I find Firefox, Chrome and Opera still better out of the box. Just easier to use and more responsive.

The afore-mentioned browsers are still more advanced than IE9 because they add support for upcoming CSS, javascript etc features far faster than IE because of their much faster update cycle. MS really needs to compete with that rather than releasing a new version every few years or when they release a new OS.

Personally I hate IE9s font rendering though, it's a bit blurry on small fonts. Firefox had this same issue for a long time after version 4.

I can't think of any good reason to choose IE9 over Chrome or Firefox.

simrat said,

ah i c, dint know that.
But again, Nothing wrong with that, MS is bundling "their" software with "their" software. On the other hand google and ask toolbar comes with thousands of softwares.


indeed, Google does it EVERY FREAKING WHERE and its all okay by the general e-population. MS does it with a few of their products and its OMG MS BURN.
r-p-m.eu/meme/seriously ...

sinis said,
That is a good thing right, EU now can not extort / force that stupid ballot from Microsoft?

IE is still preinstalled and set as the default browser, even on Windows sold in the EU. Even the ballot screen itself is running inside IE. It's a complete failure. Though with IE losing share month on month, it makes little difference anyway.

What the EU should do is force Microsoft to decouple IE from the OS, then it can be removed entirely. In my eyes, it's a security threat to even leave it on the system.

simplezz said,

IE is still preinstalled and set as the default browser, even on Windows sold in the EU. Even the ballot screen itself is running inside IE. It's a complete failure. Though with IE losing share month on month, it makes little difference anyway.

What the EU should do is force Microsoft to decouple IE from the OS, then it can be removed entirely. In my eyes, it's a security threat to even leave it on the system.

No one have right to tell a company what they can bundle with "their" software. Windows is "MS" OS, MS have every right to bundle whatever they want to with their OS. Dont like windows? than use linux or OSX. EU are the biggest whiners. Tell Google to stop bundling browser in android, or tell Apple to stop bundling Safari in iOS and Mac OS. Its like saying McDonalds should stop giving their Ketchup with Cheeseburger because Burger King's ketchup is more yummy with MCdonalds Cheeseburger.

simplezz said,

IE is still preinstalled and set as the default browser, even on Windows sold in the EU. Even the ballot screen itself is running inside IE. It's a complete failure. Though with IE losing share month on month, it makes little difference anyway.

What the EU should do is force Microsoft to decouple IE from the OS, then it can be removed entirely. In my eyes, it's a security threat to even leave it on the system.


Oh ye IE is so insecure, took 1.5 years after IE8's release before someone was able to break through its sandboxing... ONE AND A HALF YEARS.
What browsers in those hacking contests go down first? oh yes it aint IE, IE8 and IE9 where the last ones that went down. Safari, Chrome, FF and even Opera went down before they where able to take down IE9's security.

And without IE, how would the majority (95+ %) get on the internet? preinstalled AOL browsers?
Oh and at time of IE6 release, what browser was more standard compliance, IE6 or Netscape/mozilla? It was IE6 my friend. Not Netscape/mozilla, even if you want to believe that.
After IE6's release. It was mainly Mozilla and Sun who cried loud at the W3 to change the standards and break IE6.

Edited by ShadowMajestic, May 21 2012, 11:56am :

Firefox, Chrome, and Opera are just better browsers. Microsoft should dump IE and create a new browser based on Webkit or Gecko.

simplezz said,
Firefox, Chrome, and Opera are just better browsers. Microsoft should dump IE and create a new browser based on Webkit or Gecko.

No Need, IE9 already capable browser. and have best Interface too.

sinis said,

No Need, IE9 already capable browser. and have best Interface too.

So why is its marketshare dropping every month despite being the default browser on almost every new PC sold?

simplezz said,

So why is its marketshare dropping every month despite being the default browser on almost every new PC sold?

Because of people like you who force the install of Chrome (or FF) on the non-tech people's computers.

I seriously dont get why Google gets so much support. If MS would even keep track of 50% from what the users do with Google's software/tools, MS would be buried alive.

Not on every MS site i see a little popup 'use IE please'. On pretty much every Google website i see this anoying little popup 'get chrome, its faster' and blablabla. While its not it uses those neat little tricks and hacks to make it appear 'faster' while it isnt. While MS gets flamed for skipping those useless while/for loops in those javascript testers.

Edited by ShadowMajestic, May 21 2012, 11:42am :

simplezz said,

So why is its marketshare dropping every month despite being the default browser on almost every new PC sold?

because you look at raw statistics, based on page load and not on page view. As Google chrome loads page in the background that are not going to be visited by the user, Chrome marketshare is artificially higher than it is actually.


look at more serious statistics that only counts page viewed by real users and you'll see that IE's marketshare has actually increased over the last few months, and is still 2.5x higher than Chrome's.

http://marketshare.hitslink.co...spx?qprid=1&qpcustomb=0

chrome : 18%
Firefox : 20%
IE: 54%

simplezz said,
Firefox, Chrome, and Opera are just better browsers. Microsoft should dump IE and create a new browser based on Webkit or Gecko.

webkit has much more security flaws than IE, and webkit-based browsers have a much slower graphical performance than IE9.

And concerning webstandards, IE9 had a better HTML5 compliance than any other browser, according to W3C:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hard...nformance-test-is-ie9/10213

Now it's IE10 which is leading in term of HTML5/CSS3/JSCRIPT compliance, according to the W3C HTML5 test suite.

http://samples.msdn.microsoft.com/ietestcenter/


So, what would be the point to downgrade to webkit or gecko?
Reduce performance, security, and autonomy on battery? Maybe MS hateboys don't care about all these things and just want IE to die, but real world IE users care about security, performance and battery life!

http://images.anandtech.com/gr...life_091109225718/20000.png

Edited by link8506, May 21 2012, 12:35pm :

simplezz said,
Firefox, Chrome, and Opera are just better browsers. Microsoft should dump IE and create a new browser based on Webkit or Gecko.

I use Chrome but I don't agree. Perhaps earlier versions of IE were lacking but IE9 is a solid browser. It's quick, looks good and has some nice features. It simply doesn't suit me personally as I use its sync feature extensively and on my Android handset, plus its extensions of course. But for others not in need of this, IE9 is good.

simplezz said,

So why is its marketshare dropping every month despite being the default browser on almost every new PC sold?

Because people are becoming more computer literate and they know IE sucks. My Grandma asked me the other day how to remove it from the taskbar and install what I use. (Chrome)

simplezz said,
Firefox, Chrome, and Opera are just better browsers. Microsoft should dump IE and create a new browser based on Webkit or Gecko.

Also a Chrome user and I definitely disagree with your statement. IE9 is doing just fine.

I highly disagree with sinis on the interface being the "best", but these are just things we'll debate as users anyway.

simplezz said,
Firefox, Chrome, and Opera are just better browsers. Microsoft should dump IE and create a new browser based on Webkit or Gecko.

Because IE9 doesn't support Windows XP (and no one should be using outdated browsers i.e. IE8 and below).

BajiRav said,

Because IE9 doesn't support Windows XP (and no one should be using outdated browsers i.e. IE8 and below).

IE 8 is outdated. Why are you still on XP?

simplezz said,
Firefox, Chrome, and Opera are just better browsers. Microsoft should dump IE and create a new browser based on Webkit or Gecko.

butilikethecookie
Because people are becoming more computer literate and they know IE sucks.

Why is it that on every IE thread people have to keep shouting out 'IE sucks' and is bad and other browsers are better and it's slow and whatever.. without argumentation and for no freaking reason?

BajiRav said,

Because IE9 doesn't support Windows XP.

Nor should it. Microsoft doesn't need to keep supporting that dinosaur of an OS.

interesting development. I don't use Chrome but I guess kudos to them. now that IE isn't the majority leader in browser Market share must mean that Microsoft should be able to do a whole of things good things with IE. looking forward.

Is this real or just the result of ever more aggressive Pre-Rendering numbers inflation by Firefox and Chrome. We know that Statscounter does nothing to clean up its data and includes pre-rendering pages which people have never visited.

Are we hiding the fact that Firefox and Chrome get marketshare from fake page visits, which artifically inflate there market share contrasted with browsers like Safari and IE do not pre render?

Deviate_X said,
Is this real or just the result of ever more aggressive Pre-Rendering numbers inflation by Firefox and Chrome. We know that Statscounter does nothing to clean up its data and includes pre-rendering pages which people have never visited.

Are we hiding the fact that Firefox and Chrome get marketshare from fake page visits, which artifically inflate there market share contrasted with browsers like Safari and IE do not pre render?


Fake page visits? Elaborate?

Deviate_X said,
Is this real or just the result of ever more aggressive Pre-Rendering numbers inflation by Firefox and Chrome. We know that Statscounter does nothing to clean up its data and includes pre-rendering pages which people have never visited.

Are we hiding the fact that Firefox and Chrome get marketshare from fake page visits, which artifically inflate there market share contrasted with browsers like Safari and IE do not pre render?

Interesting thought, but am I right in thinking Google instant from the omnibar in Chrome just pre-renders the top result?

Actually, I suppose that result could change depending on how the search query was modified throughout the typing of it..?

ScottDaMan said,

Fake page visits? Elaborate?

I'm talking about this: http://lvsys.com/google-chrome...-logs-to-record-fake-visits

Chrome (Chrome 13+) includes a pre-rendering technology designed to speed up browser page loading. What it does is preload pages sometimes 5 to 6 times even of the visitor does not go there. look at no 3. carefully

The impact

1.it uses real server bandwidth which we are paying for.

2.It causes server hits to be recorded as individual visits (each hit session is different - web servers use sessions to identify visits)

3.It fails to include information allowing web servers to identify pre-rendering requests from normal web requests

4.It causes advertising impressions without eyeball impression.

5.Google is aware and provides Javascript guidelines to deal with the issue - which is useless to 99% of the webmasters!

I knew!!! When I migrated to Chrome this happened

Chrome Extensions + Simplicity + Speed help Chrome to overtakes others...

I hate IE because it's always asking me questions. Leave me alone let me surf. Chrome and Firefox don't asking me questions. I have started liking Chrome over Firefox in the last couple months.

Randall_Lind said,
I hate IE because it's always asking me questions. Leave me alone let me surf. Chrome and Firefox don't asking me questions. I have started liking Chrome over Firefox in the last couple months.

That's pretty vague, I'm not sure what you are talking about. All browsers have common questions such as 'Do you want to open or save?', but if you mean IE asking about Suggested Sites on the first startup, keep in mind Firefox is also asking you to import settings from IE.

Cøi said,

That's pretty vague, I'm not sure what you are talking about. All browsers have common questions such as 'Do you want to open or save?', but if you mean IE asking about Suggested Sites on the first startup, keep in mind Firefox is also asking you to import settings from IE.

And they ask to be the default browser, if they should save your password for every site you sign into, if they should do this, if they should do that, plus that stupid Bing BS that I have to remove on EVERY SINGLE USER ACCOUNT. it's annoying as hell.

BumbleBritches57 said,

And they ask to be the default browser, if they should save your password for every site you sign into, if they should do this, if they should do that, plus that stupid Bing BS that I have to remove on EVERY SINGLE USER ACCOUNT. it's annoying as hell.


Every browser asks if it wants to be the default browser and if it should save your password. (and "they should do this, they should do that" really doesn't explain anything)

Morden said,
ah, a spyware on top... it figures

lawl , no one can actually stop people from installing and using chrome provided they see its ads on every site and the software being bundled with most popular ones...

Morden said,
ah, a spyware on top... it figures

I hear ya!!

Can you really believe there are that many clueless people who just follow everyone because they think the majority must know better all the time. Not when it comes to the internet, they don't!

Personally,
I'd use ANY version of IE, except 7, over Chrome any and every day of the week!

Don't have Chrome installed on any of my 8 machines!

cork1958 said,

I hear ya!!

Can you really believe there are that many clueless people who just follow everyone because they think the majority must know better all the time. Not when it comes to the internet, they don't!

Personally,
I'd use ANY version of IE, except 7, over Chrome any and every day of the week!

Don't have Chrome installed on any of my 8 machines!

Please don't group the informed people (myself included) who choose to use Chrome, with the "clueless" people. I know what data Chrome sends back to Google (http://lifehacker.com/5763452/...ome-send-to-google-about-me), yet I still choose to use it because of it's features.

Try not to be so patronizing in the future.

Morden said,
ah, a spyware on top... it figures

If you're worried about spyware you shouldn't be using Windows. It phones home more often than ET. That and Bing (bar), which surreptitiously steals your searches.

SuperHans said,

Please don't group the informed people (myself included) who choose to use Chrome, with the "clueless" people. I know what data Chrome sends back to Google (http://lifehacker.com/5763452/...ome-send-to-google-about-me), yet I still choose to use it because of it's features.

Try not to be so patronizing in the future.

This. It's disappointing to see how many don't even give browsers like Chrome or Firefox a go because their tinfoil hats are so tight, it wont let them stray from IE.

Morden said,
ah, a spyware on top... it figures
Oh no, they're stealing my bank details! And they have my home address! And I bet the conspirators are right about the connection between Google and Facebook, which means that Google has a photo of me as well! I won't be able to sleep now, knowing that at any moment a stranger will ring my doorbell, looking exactly like me. He'll bundle me up and lock me away in a dungeon while he proceeds to live out the rest of my life as my impersonator!

Wait, that sounds a bit silly. I guess they'll just empty my bank account and leave me to fend for myself. Because that's more like the kind of thing Google is known for doing...

Intrinsica said,
Oh no, they're stealing my bank details! And they have my home address! And I bet the conspirators are right about the connection between Google and Facebook, which means that Google has a photo of me as well! I won't be able to sleep now, knowing that at any moment a stranger will ring my doorbell, looking exactly like me. He'll bundle me up and lock me away in a dungeon while he proceeds to live out the rest of my life as my impersonator!

Wait, that sounds a bit silly. I guess they'll just empty my bank account and leave me to fend for myself. Because that's more like the kind of thing Google is known for doing...


Maybe your oka with the information Google keeps track off. But I am certainly not. Hence why I moved away from Google products a long time ago. I dont like if i get an email about a car, i see ads everywhere about that same car....

simplezz said,

If you're worried about spyware you shouldn't be using Windows. It phones home more often than ET. That and Bing (bar), which surreptitiously steals your searches.

Oh yea, what does it phone home? personal details or how you use their products? Go use wireshark and see for yourself. Its not even close to what Chrome alone phone's home.
And the bing bar doesnt phone home more then the Google bar. Yet i dont hear you about that.

Google's core bussiness is getting and selling people's personal information.
What is MS's core bussiness? Oh yea, Windows, Office and Cooperate products.

cork1958 said,

I hear ya!!

Can you really believe there are that many clueless people who just follow everyone because they think the majority must know better all the time. Not when it comes to the internet, they don't!

Personally,
I'd use ANY version of IE, except 7, over Chrome any and every day of the week!

Don't have Chrome installed on any of my 8 machines!

I trust Google with my data. Stupid or not, they haven't yet done anything with it which would cause me to be concerned. Chrome is faster than every other browser I've tried and I like the way it renders pages.

If that makes me "clueless" then so be it.

Hollow.Droid said,

This. It's disappointing to see how many don't even give browsers like Chrome or Firefox a go because their tinfoil hats are so tight, it wont let them stray from IE.

I won't disagree that there obviously are people like this (obviously because bigots exist in every group), but it could be the other way around too. IE has a bad reputation so many people won't even be bothered to try IE9, instead they just go straight ahead and use it as 'the best browser to download another browser, now even faster'.

Morden said,

and you actually believe anything on a google page after the fiascos they had? well, good for you, for me everything that has a google logo on it has a big screaming DON'T USE IT badge

And that's because you're too afraid to try anything, just admit it you're the type of person that once something bad happens to your car, you swear off the entire company for life.

Cøi said,

I won't disagree that there obviously are people like this (obviously because bigots exist in every group), but it could be the other way around too. IE has a bad reputation so many people won't even be bothered to try IE9, instead they just go straight ahead and use it as 'the best browser to download another browser, now even faster'.

IE9 is a good browser, it just doesn't "feel" right in daily use. Not sure if it's the lack of a proper plugin system, or just the squareness of the interface elements after having used Chrome for so long, but I just can't get used to it.

moloko said,
IE still runs slower for me than FF or Chrome. I do think it more of an even ecosystem now.

I'm running IE10, and both Firefox and chrome look slow when compared to IE!

If you think IE9 is slow, it's probably because you have crapware installed on your computer, which typically targets IE by installing IE-specific toolbars and addons (like Google toolbar, or Skype dialer, or crappy antiviruses).

Disable all these crappy plugins (tools, manage add-ons), and you'll see that IE is much faster.

link8506 said,

I'm running IE10, and both Firefox and chrome look slow when compared to IE!

If you think IE9 is slow, it's probably because you have crapware installed on your computer, which typically targets IE by installing IE-specific toolbars and addons (like Google toolbar, or Skype dialer, or crappy antiviruses).

Disable all these crappy plugins (tools, manage add-ons), and you'll see that IE is much faster.

There's never a shortage of fanboys.

Anyways I rather like ie a little, it's not a bad browser and is pretty fast, doesn't crash too often, in fact I can't remember when the last time I crashed ie, but then again I don't use it enough to crash it.
Chrome just dominates ie and firefox with pure speed and stability, I don't care too much for google as a company but there's just no denying they have a quality product.

Why does anyone even include opera anymore? in terms of features opera is head and shoulders above the rest but there's a reason it's always at the bottom

Order_66 said,

Why does anyone even include opera anymore? in terms of features opera is head and shoulders above the rest but there's a reason it's always at the bottom

I like Opera too, but I think the problem here is again awareness.

Order_66 said,

There's never a shortage of fanboys.

Fanboy is kinda losing its meaning when people keep saying it to everyone who likes a product and wants to prove why so.
I'm not a Microsoft fanboy, yet on my PC's I use Windows 7 and IE9. Yes, IE, because those times back then when IE was 'so slow' are over. I've used Firefox, Chrome, Opera too (still do on XP), but I found out that IE fits to my needs with ease for a fast and minimalistic browser.

link8506 said,

I'm running IE10, and both Firefox and chrome look slow when compared to IE!

If you think IE9 is slow, it's probably because you have crapware installed on your computer, which typically targets IE by installing IE-specific toolbars and addons (like Google toolbar, or Skype dialer, or crappy antiviruses).

Disable all these crappy plugins (tools, manage add-ons), and you'll see that IE is much faster.

No, I don't have any of the above installed, and Chrome 20 dev still beats IE. it'll be a cold day in hell when IE is positively faster than Chrome.

Cøi said,

I like Opera too, but I think the problem here is again awareness.


Fanboy is kinda losing its meaning when people keep saying it to everyone who likes a product and wants to prove why so.
I'm not a Microsoft fanboy, yet on my PC's I use Windows 7 and IE9. Yes, IE, because those times back then when IE was 'so slow' are over. I've used Firefox, Chrome, Opera too (still do on XP), but I found out that IE fits to my needs with ease for a fast and minimalistic browser.

Chrome's Chrome Sync feature alone will ensure I never use any other browser. Maybe if FaggitFox and IE had something similar, we might have a different story, but not until.

BumbleBritches57 said,

Chrome's Chrome Sync feature alone will ensure I never use any other browser. Maybe if FaggitFox and IE had something similar, we might have a different story, but not until.


Both Firefox and IE have sync options available too.

BumbleBritches57 said,

Chrome's Chrome Sync feature alone will ensure I never use any other browser. Maybe if FaggitFox and IE had something similar, we might have a different story, but not until.

Did you really just call it FaggitFox......

Cøi said,

I like Opera too, but I think the problem here is again awareness.

Opera has been around for years, it's been talked about for years.

Cøi said,

Fanboy is kinda losing its meaning when people keep saying it to everyone who likes a product and wants to prove why so.
I'm not a Microsoft fanboy, yet on my PC's I use Windows 7 and IE9. Yes, IE, because those times back then when IE was 'so slow' are over. I've used Firefox, Chrome, Opera too (still do on XP), but I found out that IE fits to my needs with ease for a fast and minimalistic browser.

Liking a product is completely fine, but when a person goes out of their way to try and belittle you, talk to you like you are an idiot or try to just pick a fight with you simply because you disagree with their views then clearly you are dealing with a fanboy.
Take for instance the comment from link8506:

"If you think IE9 is slow, it's probably because you have crapware installed on your computer, which typically targets IE by installing IE-specific toolbars and addons (like Google toolbar, or Skype dialer, or crappy antiviruses).
Disable all these crappy plugins (tools, manage add-ons), and you'll see that IE is much faster." - link8506

What link8506 is saying here is if ie9 runs slow IT"S YOUR FAULT! not ie, YOURS! then link8506 further demonstrates fanboyism by assuming that someone who is a regular poster of neowin is stupid enough to install a host of garbage software that would not only slow ie down but slow their entire computer down as well.
Link8506 goes on to claim that ie will be "much faster" if someone follows link8506's instructions, but ie will be "much faster" than what?

The example by link8506 is actually pretty mild, some fanboyism goes really deep and personal, even one or two admins will sometimes get hit with the fanboy bug themselves and try to lure you into breaking forum rules so they can carry out their hatred in a 'legal' manner, noticed this today, and it certainly isn't the first time I've noticed it.

no crap ware installed. this is a work computer with no admin rights and the only things on it are apps and services allowed by the IT group. Ie9 very slow to start up and change sites. just sucks. This is not just on my computer. its on several i tried out in the shop on different OUs etc.

link8506 said,

I'm running IE10, and both Firefox and chrome look slow when compared to IE!

If you think IE9 is slow, it's probably because you have crapware installed on your computer, which typically targets IE by installing IE-specific toolbars and addons (like Google toolbar, or Skype dialer, or crappy antiviruses).

Disable all these crappy plugins (tools, manage add-ons), and you'll see that IE is much faster.

Synthetic said,
Did you really just call it FaggitFox......

Yeah, this particular user has all the "edgy" behavior of someone who just hit puberty. Be a bit more tolerant, we all had our episodes in this phase of our life. ;-)

Not sure if this is good though, with Webkit filter it seems no one has learnt the trouble that IE caused with inventing their own techniques and not following W3C.

Good that IE has been knocked down but I hope one browser doesn't lead like IE once did.

SPARTdAN said,
Not sure if this is good though, with Webkit filter it seems no one has learnt the trouble that IE caused with inventing their own techniques and not following W3C.

Good that IE has been knocked down but I hope one browser doesn't lead like IE once did.


I agree. With how things are currently, it would be better for users if each browser had a somewhat equal share, . . . apart from perhaps IE

SPARTdAN said,

Good that IE has been knocked down but I hope one browser doesn't lead like IE once did.

I think we can all agree on this point.

The browser market is so competitive now, I find it unlikely that we'll return to a monopoly like in the past. Which is a good thing for everyone. It keeps browsers innovative, standards king, and means developers design to the standard, not individual browser quirks.

simplezz said,

I think we can all agree on this point.

The browser market is so competitive now, I find it unlikely that we'll return to a monopoly like in the past. Which is a good thing for everyone. It keeps browsers innovative, standards king, and means developers design to the standard, not individual browser quirks.


problem is, with all those Google fandroids, I'm afraid Chrome will get the majority of the marketshare. Which in my opinion is worse then IE having the majority of the marketshare.

Shadowzz said,

problem is, with all those Google fandroids, I'm afraid Chrome will get the majority of the marketshare. Which in my opinion is worse then IE having the majority of the marketshare.

dont worry. there are many Microsoft fandows too and thats not going to happen.

Shadowzz said,

problem is, with all those Google fandroids, I'm afraid Chrome will get the majority of the marketshare. Which in my opinion is worse then IE having the majority of the marketshare.

And why is that? Because it's not your precious Microsoft? gtfo fanboy.

Shadowzz said,

problem is, with all those Google fandroids, I'm afraid Chrome will get the majority of the marketshare. Which in my opinion is worse then IE having the majority of the marketshare.
Considering the state of IE9's state of standards implementation compared to Chrome's, I would disagree whole heartily, and I prefer Microsoft as a company over Google. IE10 is changing things, but it has practically no market penetration, and it's still behind Chrome, which is rapidly pushing forward with HTML5. In particular, I do not want to have to wait for another release of Windows to get IE11 so that I can get further support of features that the internet needs from HTML5 (which, unfortunately, is still just a draft, but that's an even greater reason to call it out separately from Windows because of its rapidly changing pace).

As long as the browser stays good, the way that Chrome forces users to upgrade benefits everyone on the internet. Not to mention that IE being locked into a version on enterprise networks is what holds back IE itself, as well as the rest of the internet. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what substantially keeps up IE's marketshare as well. I think both Firefox and Chrome release things a bit too frequently and a little bit untested, but I prefer that to far less standard support.

BumbleBritches57 said,

And why is that? Because it's not your precious Microsoft? gtfo fanboy.


MS fanboy, me? i use FF just as much and i've really tried using chrome (or well, Iron) but the unprofessional sillyness in Chrome bugs me, the fact it records pretty much everything you do (wasnt there a research here on neowin a while ago, that they could NOT say that Chrome didnt phone home personal info? )is hell of allot worse IMHO, this phoninghome is why I just dont get why Google has such a huge amount of fandroids.... seriously, if MS would do even 10% of the homephoning Chrome does (or any other Google product), MS will be burned alive.

bogas04 said,
It is helping Firefox too in a way!!

Im still surprised Mozilla isnt crying to Google as Google basically just used Mozilla and left it to die with the release of the Chrome browser.

Shadowzz said,

Im still surprised Mozilla isnt crying to Google as Google basically just used Mozilla and left it to die with the release of the Chrome browser.

Errr...how on earth did you come to that conclusion? Google is where most of Mozilla's revenue comes from.

EDIT: Never mind, I've just read the rest of your comments here. You're quite clearly either a troll, utterly clueless or simply hate Google for whatever reason. Or a combination of the above. I very much doubt that you'll be able to rationalise your argument in a way that isn't simply bashing Google.

Kushan said,

Errr...how on earth did you come to that conclusion? Google is where most of Mozilla's revenue comes from.

EDIT: Never mind, I've just read the rest of your comments here. You're quite clearly either a troll, utterly clueless or simply hate Google for whatever reason. Or a combination of the above. I very much doubt that you'll be able to rationalise your argument in a way that isn't simply bashing Google.

I can't comment about Shadowzz, but there is definitely some bad blood between Mozilla and Google over the Chrome project. Google was providing Mozilla with a great deal of support, essentially used Mozilla to learn the Web Browser business (As they did Apple to learn the mobile OS business), then pulled support and released the Chrome browser (To Mozilla's surprise) within a couple of weeks of eachother. It was VERY underhanded. Like I've said for a long time, companies need to worry when Google wants to be their friend.

M_Lyons10 said,

I can't comment about Shadowzz, but there is definitely some bad blood between Mozilla and Google over the Chrome project. Google was providing Mozilla with a great deal of support, essentially used Mozilla to learn the Web Browser business (As they did Apple to learn the mobile OS business), then pulled support and released the Chrome browser (To Mozilla's surprise) within a couple of weeks of eachother. It was VERY underhanded. Like I've said for a long time, companies need to worry when Google wants to be their friend.

Yes that's right if there was no chrome firefox would have escalated and beaten IE long before... And could have saved us from stupid "Modern" theme and Weird development . But then , i guess all browsers would have been much slower then , unless Safari was gonna rock WebKit just like Chrome did...

Yeah, regardless of what Google did, they've climbed to their usage numbers for a reason. Chrome really helped show us just how slow the crap we were using at the time really was.

If Google had not pushed out Chrome, I'm quite afraid where we'd be with our browsers. Mozilla helped light the fire under Microsoft's ass and Chrome just took it one step further. Hopefully Google doesn't take this as the cue to slack off, or we'll just end up seeing this graph in reverse.

M_Lyons10 said,

I can't comment about Shadowzz, but there is definitely some bad blood between Mozilla and Google over the Chrome project. Google was providing Mozilla with a great deal of support, essentially used Mozilla to learn the Web Browser business (As they did Apple to learn the mobile OS business), then pulled support and released the Chrome browser (To Mozilla's surprise) within a couple of weeks of eachother. It was VERY underhanded. Like I've said for a long time, companies need to worry when Google wants to be their friend.

While I agree, they do still have an ongoing search deal (but then, Google also has a deal with Opera as well).

And frankly Mozilla have only themselves to blame when users get tired of a slow laggy interface post Firefox 3.x. It's getting better now but it should have happened sooner.

bogas04 said,

Yes that's right if there was no chrome firefox would have escalated and beaten IE long before... And could have saved us from stupid "Modern" theme and Weird development . But then , i guess all browsers would have been much slower then , unless Safari was gonna rock WebKit just like Chrome did...

first, Safari invented WebKit, second Firefox would never taken over IE, it's way too slow and ugly to have accomplished that, Chrome single handily started the Second Browser War, without Chrome we wouldn't have the speed, standards compliance, or minimalist theme we have today.

bogas04 said,

Yes that's right if there was no chrome firefox would have escalated and beaten IE long before... And could have saved us from stupid "Modern" theme and Weird development . But then , i guess all browsers would have been much slower then , unless Safari was gonna rock WebKit just like Chrome did...

first, Safari invented WebKit, second Firefox would never taken over I, it's way too slow and ugly to have accomplished that, Chrome single handily Started the Second Browser War, without Chrome we wouldn't have the speed, standards compliance, or minimalist theme we have today.

BumbleBritches57 said,

first, Safari invented WebKit, second Firefox would never taken over I, it's way too slow and ugly to have accomplished that, Chrome single handily Started the Second Browser War, without Chrome we wouldn't have the speed, standards compliance, or minimalist theme we have today.


LOL


I find Firefox Nightly to be better than Chrome in any aspect especially in design.

Oz. said,
especially in design.

Obviously preferences differ. Also, you're quite vague regarding how it's better so I guess I'll just leave that to it being your personal opinion.

BumbleBritches57 said,
first, Safari invented WebKit

History lesson: WebKit is a fork of an open source rendering engine KHTML. When Safari was first released WebKit was still a lot closer to KHTML than it is nowadays.

BumbleBritches57 said,

first, Safari invented WebKit, second Firefox would never taken over I, it's way too slow and ugly to have accomplished that, Chrome single handily Started the Second Browser War, without Chrome we wouldn't have the speed, standards compliance, or minimalist theme we have today.

First , Safari "uses" WebKit , second , i said "unless Safari rocked WebKit just like Chrome" , what i meant to say was to show WebKits power just like Chrome is showing... , third http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-weekly-200827-201004 Here you can see FF was really rising steadily and was even taking away IE's share. So 3 years from then it "could' have taken over IE IMO , fourth FF being ugly is again your opinion , Strata at that time was still better than IE7., fifth yes i did acknowledge that without chrome we would have slow browsers , but still FF 3.5 had brought many nice performance improvements and was the king , ignoring Chrome.