ComScore: Microsoft's US smartphone market share down in May 2013

The research firm ComScore apparently decided to push out their latest US smartphone market share numbers for May 2013 a bit earlier than normal. The firm previously revealed their April 2013 data in the first week of June. Late on Friday, the three month numbers that ended in May showed a dip in Microsoft's smartphone market share.

The May 2013 online survey numbers show that Microsoft's share of the US smartphone market stood at 3.0 percent, down from 3.2 percent in February. The same numbers show Android leading as usual with 52.4 percent, up 0.7 percent. Apple's iOS platform is second with 39.2 percent, up 0.3 percent.

BlackBerry continues to lose market share at a faster pace. ComScore says that its survey numbers have BlackBerry at 4.8 percent, down 0.6 percent from February. BlackBerry reported lower than expected sales of its BlackBerry 10 smartphones on Friday that caused its stock price to plummet 27 percent in trading.

ComScore says their latest numbers show that 141 million people in the U.S. own a smartphone. Apple still is the single biggest smartphone maker in the US with 39.2 percent, followed by Samsung with 23 percent, HTC with 8.7 percent, Motorola with 7.8 percent and LG with 6.7 percent.

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If not monopoly on desktop, Windows 8 market share would be around that 3 percent. Metro UI is just plain piece of you know what.

lexp said,
If not monopoly on desktop, Windows 8 market share would be around that 3 percent. Metro UI is just plain piece of you know what.

What monopoly? Macs, Linux distros, BSD distros and ChromeOS exist (along with a few others). Don't blame MS for their suckness.

I tried my best to get people I know interested in WP, but in the end all brought Android phones because none of them liked the interface.

Market share is slipping because more people are buying other phones. Is it because of marketing or is it because generally people would prefer Android or iOS? If windows phone was an amazing OS then it would sell itself. I suggest the people don't like Windows Phone and that it's not as good as the other OS's. I think the numbers speak for themselves.

That isn't necessarily true that it would sell itself. Marketing goes a long, long way in the grand scheme of things. iPhone sells because of a hardcore dedicated userbase and they got in early with a disruptive product. Android sells due to sheer number of devices. WP is somewhere in the middle and has to deal with the 'uncool' stigma of it being associated with Windows. Which is ironic as hell considering the BILLION+ windows based machines out there.

So marketing and constant refinement/refreshing of the OS is what MS needs to keep hammering at. They have plenty of money and if time is money then they'll be just fine.

Also, these numbers are U.S. numbers. One final note, these numbers don't represent that MS is dropping it represents that they aren't growing as fast as the others. Still not good but it's not terrible either.

the Samsung galaxy s4 and htc one were just released during that time,and had all the hype and everything going for them. The market grew,and windows phone even added 75,000 new subscribers. Windows phone held its own. Sales marketshare is up to 6%-7%.

Check this: http://wmpoweruser.com/comscor...-adds-75000-us-subscribers/

Now read the March and April articles. They both show that Microsoft has been at 3% in the US since March, according to comScore. Now if you factor in the fact that the smartphone market is always growing, that means that Microsoft has gained market share in the US, not lost it. It just hasn't grown as fast as others.

~50 comments of fanboy wars and no one noticed this

yes it has always been growing the 3% or 3.2% does not relay mean anything on its own, If the entire userbase went down then yes it would be a lose, but just because the individual % went down but the userbase grew does not mean an actual lose for MS, just means it grew slower than the rest, windows phone did add something like 75,000 users at this 3%.

funkydude said,
Check this: http://wmpoweruser.com/comscor...-adds-75000-us-subscribers/

Now read the March and April articles. They both show that Microsoft has been at 3% in the US since March, according to comScore. Now if you factor in the fact that the smartphone market is always growing, that means that Microsoft has gained market share in the US, not lost it. It just hasn't grown as fast as others.

~50 comments of fanboy wars and no one noticed this

I was waiting to see how long before someone noticed the facts. Good thing someone did. People seem to miss the clear fact that the overall smartphone user base in the US is growing each month. If the overall user # is higher and you're % stays the same then you've gained users, just not fast enough to match the markets growth.

Why people didn't pick up on this is funny, of course comScore doesn't do much to point it out. It's why I hate pure % stats, can we get solid unit/device numbers maybe?

GP007 said,

Why people didn't pick up on this is funny, of course comScore doesn't do much to point it out. It's why I hate pure % stats, can we get solid unit/device numbers maybe?

Maybe because the subject is market share and not total number of users? Besides if a company would increase users/ sales but not market share..... it should definitely look in it because there is clearly an issue.

It's not that people don't like, it is that those who really don't like (because they don't admit any changes in their tricks) make too much noise and drama, stopping people from admiring the beauty of this OS.

I've told this story before but in case someone missed it. I visit the AT&T store quite often, there's this cute girl in there and we always chat it up. On 3 different occasions now, I have heard an employee try to sell a Windows phone with an interesting reply from the customer. The customers replies, " I heard Windows 8 sucks and that Windows 7 is better". Microsoft is inadvertently sabatoging their phone because people don't like their desktop OS. Merging all three ecosystems sounds cool, but because most people think Windows 8 is a turd, they automatically connect that idea with Windows Phone 8. Miscrosofts plateau with Windows Phone is third place and they better get comfy their or start making some sound business decisions.

JHBrown said,
I've told this story before but in case someone missed it. I visit the AT&T store quite often, there's this cute girl in there and we always chat it up. On 3 different occasions now, I have heard an employee try to sell a Windows phone with an interesting reply from the customer. The customers replies, " I heard Windows 8 sucks and that Windows 7 is better". Microsoft is inadvertently sabatoging their phone because people don't like their desktop OS. Merging all three ecosystems sounds cool, but because most people think Windows 8 is a turd, they automatically connect that idea with Windows Phone 8. Miscrosofts plateau with Windows Phone is third place and they better get comfy their or start making some sound business decisions.

You are correct about the customer response; however, this is not a problem of the mixing of the ecosystems or the shared code base. It is 'naming' problem and a problem.

It is also an information problem, with employees like your friend not advising to the customer that the 'Win 8 bad' has nothing to do with Windows PHONE 8. Especially since it doesn't have a Start Button that is missing to confuse people and make them like Windows 7 better than Windows 8.

For once I don't see a big problem is WP strategy. In a year, hardware for phones will be much like they are for computers now, damned good across the board. In the meantime, fine tune things, get your **** together and keep pressing for the right apps in place of LCARS (still can't believe that's the top app). I'm android all the way, but if Windows can get it together next year and couple it with a few good phones, I'm into giving it a try.

Android is a joke, several friends have Samsung Galaxy S3 and S4, and the whole thing gets malware just like Windows XP back in 2003. It gets even worse, they get malware by downloading from Google Play Store which is a shame.

Nonsense, rogue Apps are taken down withing minutes. Moreover one must be a total idiot to install low rated Apps which look so fake. Blame the retarded user.

SirPeterPan said,
Android is a joke, several friends have Samsung Galaxy S3 and S4, and the whole thing gets malware just like Windows XP back in 2003. It gets even worse, they get malware by downloading from Google Play Store which is a shame.

Google doesn't properly verify 'trusted' Apps that auto-install. This was one way that a lot of malware would hit Android, as botted Linux routers between the user and the Google Store would be watching for updates of even Google's own apps like Mail/etc and replace the updated version with a malware compromised version.

A tech last year found their phone infected with malware having control over the keyboard input, and we traced the malware to an automatic update of the non-Gmail, Mail App Google distributes with Android. It was a botted Linux router that injected/replaced the Mail App during the update.

Android has gotten better about ensure the checksums match, but malware that hide itself transparently will still get automatically installed, as Android doesn't do a server side authentication or ensure the update is transmitted in a more secure container, which is why you will find 'good' users that know how to avoid malware still getting infected automatic updates.

Additionally malicious developers can hide malware because Google does not have a robust testing model for Play Store App. Also a developer can release a clean version, and provide an update the user has flagged auto-update and then embed malware in a minor update.

Apple has a lot of App testing before it gets on their store; however it is not able to pull the submitted App's code apart like Microsoft's authentication process for the Windows Phone App store. Google needs a new model, but with 'older' Android versions running around, they would have to break the 'store' for so many users, they can't simply update it.

SirPeterPan said,
Android is a joke, several friends have Samsung Galaxy S3 and S4, and the whole thing gets malware just like Windows XP back in 2003. It gets even worse, they get malware by downloading from Google Play Store which is a shame.

I download and try apps every day and I never ran in to any problems with malware.

Mobius Enigma said,

Google doesn't properly verify 'trusted' Apps that auto-install.

Any app on Jelly Bean that tries to install, auto or otherwise, a box pops up asking if you want to install it. This is by default

techbeck said,

I download and try apps every day and I never ran in to any problems with malware.

You are extremely lucky then, all of my friends with this garbage called Android get infected routinely.

SirPeterPan said,

You are extremely lucky then, all of my friends with this garbage called Android get infected routinely.

Then maybe your friends are doing something wrong. I am curious what they are download, apps and such, that is causing them to get infected all the time. Heck, my mom and grandma both have Androids and they use them no problems and never get infected.

Funny how the zealot WP fanboys attack Android whenever a negative article about WP is posted.. Neowin these days.. Full of Microsoft diehards.

yowanvista said,
Funny how the zealot WP fanboys attack Android whenever a negative article about WP is posted.. Neowin these days.. Full of Microsoft diehards.
So, the Fandroids have been waiting for their moment to strike?

duddit2 said,

i know right, the shock horror of it all! Haha

Still doesn't justifying the Android hate going on lately here. It's like those WP diehards have this urge to bash Android hardcoded in their genes.

Sounds like you need to take some lessons in consumerism then. You know, like maybe turning a product on and trying it out before you buy one?

I'd hate to see how you go about purchasing an automobile.

Enron said,
Sounds like you need to take some lessons in consumerism then. You know, like maybe turning a product on and trying it out before you buy one?

I'd hate to see how you go about purchasing an automobile.

I was well aware of the software situation when I bought it, though I didn't think 6 months down the road I'd still have to use third party apps because first party knows the OS is only better than Blackberry.

Kalint said,

I was well aware of the software situation when I bought it, though I didn't think 6 months down the road I'd still have to use third party apps because first party knows the OS is only better than Blackberry.

What apps are you missing? There's plenty of first party apps available for WP8.

just another article that allows for the trolls to come knocking, makes me laugh really. Windows Phone is doing just fine in the world and will only keep improving.

Dot Matrix said,

What apps are you missing? There's plenty of first party apps available for WP8.

I have Lumia 520. I know basic phone. But I hate to use it as most of my usage is listening to music in transit. But arrogant Microsoft refuses to provide a seek bar in music player. I tried hard but could not get used to pressing backward forward button to skip sections of tracks.

These kind of niggles are spread evenly throughout WP8. I also gifted 2 Lumia phones to family members and after a month they have passed them on to their extended families because they don't like the OS. Bugger!

korupt_one said,
just another article that allows for the trolls to come knocking, makes me laugh really. Windows Phone is doing just fine in the world and will only keep improving.
Same thing BlackBerry fans said 2 years ago.

Kalint said,
I bought the Nokia Lumia 920 mostly because of its hardware, and then you turn it on...

WP8 is a joke.

If you grab on to the 'Hub' concept and let it work for you, you might find it does things that you simply cannot do on iOS or Android still.

A quick example:

Open People, click on a name, slide the screen to History and you and review every text/message/call/email you have ever communicated with them. This is handy when on the phone with a person or client and can tap their name go directly to any email/communication they are referencing.

(You can also keep your entire email archive on your WP8 device without any performance issues, so I can talk to a client/person and literally reference emails from over 10 years ago in under a second.)

Good luck and I hope you find what makes WP8 shine for you.

korupt_one said,
just another article that allows for the trolls to come knocking, makes me laugh really. Windows Phone is doing just fine in the world and will only keep improving.

The misuse of the word "troll" on this site is comparable solely to the misuse of the word "erethic" by the Holy Inquisition....

Fritzly said,

The misuse of the word "troll" on this site is comparable solely to the misuse of the word "erethic" by the Holy Inquisition....


erethic




er·e·thism [er-uh-thiz-uhm] Show IPA


noun Physiology .
an unusual or excessive degree of irritability or stimulation in an organ or tissue.

WTF?

siah1214 said,


WTF?

I do not know why but my Lumia changed from "Heretic" to "Erethic" and when I tried to edit the post I could not do it; in Neowin I am only able to edit from a computer, not from my phone.
Apologies for the confusion....

Windows Phone is the fastest growing platform out there and will continue to grow, in several locations around the world it has surpassed iphone or getting very close to the same level, also to note that the lower end windows phones will start to erode away at androids marketshare also because well we know how well low specd android phones run, Even the S4 has dropped of in the amount of devices they have sold very quickly and more and more people are ****ed with the release cycle Samsung has chosen, its a slow process to get marketshare and userbase but it is growing and increasing all the time.

Fritzly said,

I do not know why but my Lumia changed from "Heretic" to "Erethic" and when I tried to edit the post I could not do it; in Neowin I am only able to edit from a computer, not from my phone.
Apologies for the confusion....


Np man, honestly just making fun.

I hate this. Windows Phone is such a nice OS. I'd be nice if developers would take a chance on it and make some apps that people want, but I understand cost issues can be hampering those efforts.

winrez said,
would be nice if the cell providers even carried windows phone (sprint is lacking even one)

Well, they're going to add 2 later this year, I'm guessing August? Now if they actually push them in their stores or try to sell you something else instead I don't know.

Blackberry fell 300% more in market share points..

Also this is US only and unlike what you might think/hope the US does not constitute a viable representation for the rest of the world.

nekrosoft13 said,
no ****, no consumer wants windows phone, I think all those 3% are people on neowin.

Strange, because people ask me about my Lumia all the time.

nekrosoft13 said,
no ****, no consumer wants windows phone, I think all those 3% are people on neowin.

The people I see buying and using Windows Phones are usually the smartest consumers, they tend to really know things.

nekrosoft13 said,
no ****, no consumer wants windows phone, I think all those 3% are people on neowin.

WP is doing well in two areas... First time Smartphone users. Users moving from Android.

The cheaper Android phones with the '1080p/quadcore' type specifications are still doing well in capturing people that don't realize pure hardware specifications are meaningless in net performance.

I have seen several 1080p screens that you can still see the screening between pixels, which is why users looking at a screen on a Nokia 920/928/925 find it to be a better display as it is 'less' pixelated because it lacks the pixel separating mesh effect, as an example. One of the S4s is really bad with the screen effect between pixels, even though it 'should' in theory be a better display by having more pixels.

There is even some movement in the iPhone converts that are not Apple loyalists. Notice a lot of celebrities in non-promo clips are using WP8 devices when on various talk shows and pull out their smartphone.

I know you are trolling, but you do realize not everyone in the world has the same biases you might and are willing to give WP8 a try.

korupt_one said,
so is that why wp market share in other countries is much higher than what it is in the usa.

Wrong. I am in Europe and very rarely see WP here... i bet it is bigger in USA, but if you say so there could be a problem

The main thing that is keeping me away from WP is banking apps. None of my banks/financial institutions have WP apps. I could care less about if such-and-such game is/is not available, but I NEED to be able to access my accounts and such w/ the mobile apps.

greensabath said,
The main thing that is keeping me away from WP is banking apps. None of my banks/financial institutions have WP apps. I could care less about if such-and-such game is/is not available, but I NEED to be able to access my accounts and such w/ the mobile apps.

It took 6% marketshare in my country before all the banks started working on their apps. I'm not sure what it is but they cant seem to get a break in the USA. Perhaps Microsoft needs to focus on the rest of the world where their effords give results. Ag least then the worldwide marketshare will lool better. And when the USA grows tired of iOS like the Europeans have they can strike back.

greensabath said,
The main thing that is keeping me away from WP is banking apps. None of my banks/financial institutions have WP apps. I could care less about if such-and-such game is/is not available, but I NEED to be able to access my accounts and such w/ the mobile apps.

This I understand, but in just the last month more banking Apps have been added to WP8.

Also something to considering is using the browser and accessing their mobile site or flip to Desktop Mode in Browser, and access their full site and then your experience is just like on your PC.

The Browser is a better alternative to what 'few' missing Apps you will find with WP8, as its support of HTML5 technologies is better than Android or iOS, especially when it comes to graphics or media content like music sites using HTML5 interfaces.

With some of the bigger banks providing WP8 banking Apps, it won't be long to see even smaller banks adding WP8 Apps since they often are developed using some of the same banking framework technologies.

One of my banks is still not on WP8, and like I mentioned above, I just have their site pinned as a tile, and use their web site like an 'App'.

Ronnet said,

It took 6% marketshare in my country before all the banks started working on their apps. I'm not sure what it is but they cant seem to get a break in the USA. Perhaps Microsoft needs to focus on the rest of the world where their effords give results. Ag least then the worldwide marketshare will lool better. And when the USA grows tired of iOS like the Europeans have they can strike back.

WP main issue is that people buy Nokia, not WP. Where Nokia had a strong presence... it sells, where it did not... it does not sell...

greensabath said,
The main thing that is keeping me away from WP is banking apps. None of my banks/financial institutions have WP apps. I could care less about if such-and-such game is/is not available, but I NEED to be able to access my accounts and such w/ the mobile apps.

in the Netherlands all major banks now have WP apps available!

It is not the OS we don't like, it is the Giant Milking Machine called Microsoft!

This is what windows sounds like to a normal customer:

- Needs expensive antivirus and firewall and anti malware and anti spyware and anti whatever you name it.
- Will crash sometimes, and will get slower with time for sure.
- Will need reformat and technical support.
- Hard to setup
- Will cost you a lot of extra in hidden fees (maintenance plans, etc)
- No one believes the office is free, there is always Microsoft Office in the PC, and Microsoft always found a way to charge you for them

- so many other small issues, go to best buy, try to buy Windows and look at the total price with all upgrades and warranty, and technical support and Office and Anti Virus and ....

Windows Phone 8 may not have any of the above, but Microsoft's reputation and Window's reputation is .....

Any one who has used a windows machine in the last 5+ would have experienced none of these issues on a Windows platform (XP, Vista, 7 & 8). However, these are all issues with the most widely used mobile OS used today - Android. The HW is usually substandard (I have used Xperia, SG3, LG - all have problem). Apps constantly crash or malbehaves, malware glores.

john.smith_2084 said,
It is not the OS we don't like, it is the Giant Milking Machine called Microsoft!

This is what windows sounds like to a normal customer:

- Needs expensive antivirus and firewall and anti malware and anti spyware and anti whatever you name it.
- Will crash sometimes, and will get slower with time for sure.
- Will need reformat and technical support.
- Hard to setup
- Will cost you a lot of extra in hidden fees (maintenance plans, etc)
- No one believes the office is free, there is always Microsoft Office in the PC, and Microsoft always found a way to charge you for them

- so many other small issues, go to best buy, try to buy Windows and look at the total price with all upgrades and warranty, and technical support and Office and Anti Virus and ....

Windows Phone 8 may not have any of the above, but Microsoft's reputation and Window's reputation is .....

I'm sure you meant to say Android, right?

john.smith_2084 said,
It is not the OS we don't like, it is the Giant Milking Machine called Microsoft!

This is what windows sounds like to a normal customer:
- Make the system settings alphabetical because its annoying finding something when its all text.

Windows Phone 8 may not have any of the above, but Microsoft's reputation and Window's reputation is ..... FANTASTIC ON THIS WEBSITE

john.smith_2084 said,
It is not the OS we don't like, it is the Giant Milking Machine called Microsoft!

This is what windows sounds like to a normal customer:

- Needs expensive antivirus and firewall and anti malware and anti spyware and anti whatever you name it.
- Will crash sometimes, and will get slower with time for sure.
- Will need reformat and technical support.
- Hard to setup
- Will cost you a lot of extra in hidden fees (maintenance plans, etc)
- No one believes the office is free, there is always Microsoft Office in the PC, and Microsoft always found a way to charge you for them

- so many other small issues, go to best buy, try to buy Windows and look at the total price with all upgrades and warranty, and technical support and Office and Anti Virus and ....

Windows Phone 8 may not have any of the above, but Microsoft's reputation and Window's reputation is .....


sounds exactly like what android is today

john.smith_2084 said,
It is not the OS we don't like, it is the Giant Milking Machine called Microsoft!

This is what windows sounds like to a normal customer:

- Needs expensive antivirus and firewall and anti malware and anti spyware and anti whatever you name it.
- Will crash sometimes, and will get slower with time for sure.
- Will need reformat and technical support.
- Hard to setup
- Will cost you a lot of extra in hidden fees (maintenance plans, etc)
- No one believes the office is free, there is always Microsoft Office in the PC, and Microsoft always found a way to charge you for them

- so many other small issues, go to best buy, try to buy Windows and look at the total price with all upgrades and warranty, and technical support and Office and Anti Virus and ....

Windows Phone 8 may not have any of the above, but Microsoft's reputation and Window's reputation is .....

The funny thing is, several of things you are mentioning are described in a competing website review of the latest Samsung S4, which acknowledges Android the problem.

They had to deal with malware software (WP8 doesn't EVER)

They had trouble with crucial Apps crashing, ironically again with the ongoing Camera App that is has been buggy since Android was launched.

Also WP8 does include Office for free, users get Exchange like email and integration with Outlook.com/Hotmail, and the list goes on. (No charges, no fees, and no spy on people's content like Google freely admits.)

FalseAgent said,

sounds exactly like what android is today

And what was Windows market share before XP SP2?
People concerns about malware are overinflated; they did not care at the time and they do not care now.
We, people lurking on Neowin and similar sites, are loosing the sense of what is the reality "outside".

Fritzly said,

And what was Windows market share before XP SP2?

Microsoft basically controlled the PC market ever since DOS… So the answer you're looking for is: BIG!

MFH said,

Microsoft basically controlled the PC market ever since DOS… So the answer you're looking for is: BIG!

Exactly! In spite of the issues that undoubtedly affected older MS OSes people bought them.

Fritzly said,

Exactly! In spite of the issues that undoubtedly affected older MS OSes people bought them.


Yet the argument made by john.smith_2084 was that people no longer want to put up with those issues - hence abandoning Windows (which has resolved these at least since Vista) - and instead use Android (which has the same problems Windows had in it's early days…)

Rob Waldhauser said,
I blame the HTC One for the decrease in WP and increase in Android.

4 people bought a taxi and hired a driver, they went out with him to see how is he driving, for 3 days they did not get any customer, they did not know why, and did not believe that because the seats are already full, so they fired the driver and replaced him with a new one

He is right and talking about your statement. There is one and only one reason WP is not really taking off: MSFT and their lack of interest in giving mainstream users what they want/need, There is quite the list of functionality which people want but MST has so far not provided any of these really. MSFT seems to think that they will gain traction by repeating the same mantra..

paulheu said,
He is right and talking about your statement. There is one and only one reason WP is not really taking off: MSFT and their lack of interest in giving mainstream users what they want/need, There is quite the list of functionality which people want but MST has so far not provided any of these really. MSFT seems to think that they will gain traction by repeating the same mantra..

This 'list' was kind of true for WP7 and the lack of native code development.

This 'list' is no longer true of WP8 that allows native code and full access to DirectX.

The only 'restrictions' you will find are SECURITY based, like App isolation. A user installable keyboard sound good, until you realize it is one of the main hooks Android malware uses because it is allowed. Not being able to bypass core security features or touch other applications is by design and as any security professional would argue is WHY WP8 is rock solid and malware free.

Mobius Enigma said,

This 'list' was kind of true for WP7 and the lack of native code development.

This 'list' is no longer true of WP8 that allows native code and full access to DirectX.

The only 'restrictions' you will find are SECURITY based, like App isolation. A user installable keyboard sound good, until you realize it is one of the main hooks Android malware uses because it is allowed. Not being able to bypass core security features or touch other applications is by design and as any security professional would argue is WHY WP8 is rock solid and malware free.

Browse a little bit here and you will see how there are a lot of features that people would like the OS to have and are ignored by MS.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp8

Fritzly said,

Browse a little bit here and you will see how there are a lot of features that people would like the OS to have and are ignored by MS.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp8

I am familiar with those forums, and if you read through them, you will notice the majority of things discussed are issues with particular hardware.

Head over to:
http://windowsphone.uservoice..../101801-feature-suggestions

Notice the suggestions, and the amount of them that were added in each iteration of the WP7/WP8 update cycle. The majority of the top features on the list have been added or upcoming in the August update, let alone bigger features in the 8.1 update later this year.

WP users again and again keep winning customer satisfaction polls and awards. If you visit any carrier or retailer that tracks customer satisfaction, they are usually #1 or #2.

Microsoft does NOT need to break their security model or open up secure areas of the OS to rogue development to make customers happy. There is no longer the 'gap' that existed with WP7 where some things were not possible because of the lack of native code and the full version of DirectX that WP8 offers.

New and fresh hardware too. I still haven't upgraded to WP8 because no phones have appealed to me. I want WP8 but not on the hardware we currently have available. Would really like to see a Surface Phone.

incendy said,
New and fresh hardware too. I still haven't upgraded to WP8 because no phones have appealed to me. I want WP8 but not on the hardware we currently have available. Would really like to see a Surface Phone.
Was waiting for the EOS but was forced to pickup a temp phone when my Titan's screen died (it's taken a beating in its defense). The refurbed HTC 8x I picked up is pretty awesome. Going to use it until the EOS shows up.

incendy said,
New and fresh hardware too. I still haven't upgraded to WP8 because no phones have appealed to me. I want WP8 but not on the hardware we currently have available. Would really like to see a Surface Phone.

What about the Lumia 925/928 doesn't exactly appeal to you? WP doesn't really require quad core CPU's or 1GB+ RAM to run smoothly, the new Lumias have the best cameras around and some of the best screens as well.

Obry said,

What about the Lumia 925/928 doesn't exactly appeal to you? WP doesn't really require quad core CPU's or 1GB+ RAM to run smoothly, the new Lumias have the best cameras around and some of the best screens as well.

I bought a Lumia 900 and hate it. I don't want to go through that again. Not a big fan of Nokia's plastic designs.

incendy said,

I bought a Lumia 900 and hate it. I don't want to go through that again. Not a big fan of Nokia's plastic designs.

There's the aluminium 925 coming out soon. Don't get the plastic hatred tho, looks really nice and it's hard as hell (I've dropped mine countless of times already). Does make it a bit heavier tho.

incendy said,

I bought a Lumia 900 and hate it. I don't want to go through that again. Not a big fan of Nokia's plastic designs.

The 928 like the 920 use polycarbonate, that is 'hardly' plastic. It is a material you normally would find on things like fighter jets.

Go to a local store and pick one up and feel it compared to an iPhone or a new S4. If you don't find the Nokia to be the sturdiest device, I would be very surprised.

Also if you are questioning build quality, watch this video and then consider than most phones like the iPhone, HTC One, S4, etc easily crack the screen and die on simple waist height and shoulder height drop tests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3c8il_Q6SU

(Think you could use another phone like a baseball and not have the screen crack? Like I said, polycarbonate is not technically 'plastic' and there is a reason why it is used in 'structural' building of things like fighter jets.)


PS After a full week of testing in Vegas with the 920, 928, S3, S4, iPhone 5, HTC One - everyone involved in our testing chose the Nokia 928 as the best phone in virtually every category.

The 928/920 are 'FASTER' than the Quad Core 1.9ghz S4.

None of the WP8 devices ever crashed or failed to respond instantly once. (Not even the iPhone was able to remain crash free in heavy testing.

Camera shots were amazing, from low light to mid day to night time to the OIS and Xenon flash giving it the ability to stop people in motion mid air.

Remember just because they are dual core phones, you have to consider how WP8 uses the GPU to realize it is more like a tri-core configuration compared to Android with the GPU doing far more work than a normal core.

Edited by Mobius Enigma, Jun 29 2013, 9:21pm :

incendy said,
I bought a Lumia 900 and hate it. I don't want to go through that again. Not a big fan of Nokia's plastic designs.

So it's not the hardware that you don't like then - since you're not saying anything about that - but rather a dig (or should I say troll) on how the plastic looks which is kind of odd honestly. The body of the Lumia 920 looks fairly expensive to me personally. I never owned one but I have played with a few and almost ended up buying one but I just had a baby girl who was born a few months ago and there's plenty of things that I'd rather buy for her first than new smartphones for myself...

Obry said,

So it's not the hardware that you don't like then - since you're not saying anything about that - but rather a dig (or should I say troll) on how the plastic looks which is kind of odd honestly. The body of the Lumia 920 looks fairly expensive to me personally. I never owned one but I have played with a few and almost ended up buying one but I just had a baby girl who was born a few months ago and there's plenty of things that I'd rather buy for her first than new smartphones for myself...

I don't like the design, to me that is important. It isn't a troll, I use and develop for Windows Phone and want it to thrive. I just don't like any of the phones they have released.

Obry said,

So it's not the hardware that you don't like then - since you're not saying anything about that - but rather a dig (or should I say troll) on how the plastic looks which is kind of odd honestly. The body of the Lumia 920 looks fairly expensive to me personally. I never owned one but I have played with a few and almost ended up buying one but I just had a baby girl who was born a few months ago and there's plenty of things that I'd rather buy for her first than new smartphones for myself...

I own one and yes, basically it is indestructible. Said that if the guy does not like does not mean he is a troll; just someone with different tastes. Personally I would never trade my 920 with a 925 or a 928 but, again, it is just my personal preference.
Now if Lumia would come out with a 9XX in magnesium, not aluminum, and at least 32 GB of data I would retire my 920 and buy it. Furthermore if it had 1080 screen and quadcore even better; does it need it? No but the moment I open the wallet I prefer something that is as future proof as possible.

Obry said,

What about the Lumia 925/928 doesn't exactly appeal to you?

The fact that it is running Windows Phone. Now if only they put that same hardware out with Android on it...

recursive said,

The fact that it is running Windows Phone. Now if only they put that same hardware out with Android on it...


Same hardware on it? As in, 1.5 GHz dual core? 1 GB of RAM? It'd be a laggy piece of **** with Android. Wp8 makes the device and if you disagree you haven't used it.

Obry said,

What about the Lumia 925/928 doesn't exactly appeal to you? WP doesn't really require quad core CPU's or 1GB+ RAM to run smoothly, the new Lumias have the best cameras around and some of the best screens as well.

For gaming is a different case.

There on mobile and Verizon, that doesn't appeal to me and also just rebadged 920s. I love WP but when will MS learn in order to obtain market share you need to flood the market with phones. That's how android did it.....im so tented to just use one of my upgrades for the htc one until MS beets a or better yet some hi end phones.

tanjiajun_34 said,
For gaming is a different case.

Not true, most gaming engines are still single and dual threaded, especially the mobile engines you will find adapted to Android and iOS.

WP8 offers some advantage in this area:

DirectX is faster and is the fully featured version, unlike OpenGL ES.

The driver model in WP8 allows for core/GPU sharing in ways that are not available on Android or iOS (Linux and OS X also do not have this functionality). If the game is mainly single threaded and is maximizing the GPU, the video driver stack can shove lower priority threads through the idle CPU core. Additionally if the both CPU cores are maximized and the GPU is under utilized the video driver stack can use the GPU for simple calculations and assist in accelerating by decoding and rendering through the GPU items that the engine would normally leave to the CPU.

As the newer DirectX 'designed' engines are becoming available for WP8, you will start to see games that instead of lateral ports from iOS and Android are capable of more graphical features and better performance. With some engines showing at 25% faster performance and utilizing more features of DirectX to provide better lighting, higher quality textures, etc.

There are a couple of games with 'modified' ported engines now on WP8 that have better texture resolution a few more polygons than the iOS and Android versions, and run consistently at 30fps even though 'technically' the WP8 devices are using lower end hardware with a dual-core 1.5ghz processor and the older Adreno GPU.

Even on a PC, gaming is still very stuck in the single and dual threading models because of the timing of how games traditionally work. This is why an Intel i3 with 2 cores against one of the stronger 8 core AMD CPUs is faster for gaming because the execution per core is faster on the i3. The game isn't touching most of the other cores, and the only advantage is background OS operations, which is fairly light with Windows NT on today's hardware. (Win7/8 can squeeze more out of a game by shoving around calls, but it isn't enough to offset the difference, especially when the i3 also has 2 virtual HT cores.)

mrdeezus said,
There on mobile and Verizon, that doesn't appeal to me and also just rebadged 920s. I love WP but when will MS learn in order to obtain market share you need to flood the market with phones. That's how android did it.....im so tented to just use one of my upgrades for the htc one until MS beets a or better yet some hi end phones.

The 928 is not just a rebranded device, although it is only a generational update.

As for blanketing phones, there are a LOT of WP8 phones out there, more than you realize. Go check out markets in other countries and you will find a lot of options. The US and carrier issues with CDMA/GSM LTE Frequencies is the biggest hangup for more device availability.

Additionally, I don't agree that more phones is the answer, if you look at Apple, they sell basically ONE phone.