Copy and Paste coming to Windows Phone 7 in early 2011

Windows Phone 7 is fresh out the door and Microsoft is trying to make as many waves as possible. By first announcing 10 new phones that will land on carriers around the world, Microsoft is now saying that the device will support copy and paste in early 2011.

As covered by Neowin, Microsoft has gone on the record to say that copy and paste will hit the platform in early 2011 but a firm date was not given. It was quite a surprise to hear that copy and paste would not be supported in the initial release as Microsoft made this a staple of their older mobile OS. Apple users were perturbed by not having that simple but crucial feature on the iOS platform for several iterations and are mockingly pointing out that WP7 does not currently support this feature.

Microsoft demonstrated the upcoming feature to CNET on Monday. The copy and paste feature will work by letting users click on a particular word that will allow them to expand the selection further. Separate paste functions are built in but the look is not yet final.

Microsoft is just now starting to make its inroads in what will surely be a massive marketing campaign to make the public aware of the platform and all of its capabilities. With a huge budget and a tier one marketing group, its fair to say that the game is on for Microsoft and it wants the world to know about its platform. 

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The Windows CE GUI core has copy/paste and has had it for ages. But they decided to re-invent the wheel and make everybody use .NET for everything.

zivan56 said,
The Windows CE GUI core has copy/paste and has had it for ages. But they decided to re-invent the wheel and make everybody use .NET for everything.

If replacing your hand chiseled rock with injection molded rubber, I'm all in.

Smart-Sensing is an interesting concept. If it's successful, you will find yourself using copy/paste less than the average Android or iOS user.

The only time I've required copy/paste on a mobile is when I'm trying to copy/paste someone else's pointless facebook status update into my own. Sadly the fb client on WinMo 6.x doesn't allow you to copy someone elses status msg.

In every other copy/paste scenario, Smart-Sensing will work just fine.

Another way to look at this, is that it was left out by design, for two reasons.

1. To test public reaction of want vs need
2. To showcase their firmware update tool via Zune. Imagine if all windows phone 7s get copy/paste on the same day, vs oh... those who have competitor devices know....

As much as I don't think WMP7 going to make the dent they thing, but

The fact MS has come out and said, were only temporarily only on At&T and copy and paste is coming vs Apple Arrogance, a feature not worthy of the great apple brand (then shows up latter) I give kudios for MS coming out and saying there plans, and things are on the way.

I think Microsoft is trying to get rid of everything and move it all to a simple UI where nothing is available except the basics. Good for average Joe but not for people that like to play.

Just look at where their Desktop OS is moving. All the goodies since XP are starting to be hidden so nothing exists but the basics. Personally, I hate it.

What got me into computers in the first place was all the goodies I could play with without having to dig in the Registry or hack system files. Again, my personal prefs. And I still think that as far as being unbloated, lite on resources and clean; Windows 2000 takes the cake.

Mike Frett said,
I think Microsoft is trying to get rid of everything and move it all to a simple UI where nothing is available except the basics. Good for average Joe but not for people that like to play.

Just look at where their Desktop OS is moving. All the goodies since XP are starting to be hidden so nothing exists but the basics. Personally, I hate it.

What got me into computers in the first place was all the goodies I could play with without having to dig in the Registry or hack system files. Again, my personal prefs. And I still think that as far as being unbloated, lite on resources and clean; Windows 2000 takes the cake.

IE9 is a prime example of that. I've long thought most widely used applications from MS should just have a simple mode and advanced mode.

Found this on Winsupersite, might answer some questions on why copy paste is harder to do than most think

"(Incidentally, while a lot has been made about Windows Phone's lack of a basic feature like copy and paste, the one thing most don't understand is that this sort of cross-application functionality is actually very difficult to do securely in a managed environment. On Windows Phone, each application is sandboxed and prevented from accessing other apps and their data. File access and whatnot comes from a set of simple UIs called Pickers and Choosers. No word yet on how Microsoft intends to implement copy and paste, just that it's coming"

I have copy/paste on my SonyEricsson C905, which is coming up for 2 years old now.

They should of listened to public demand and looked at the Apple iPhone history, public demand is that they want a copy/paste facility on a phone, to not include it i think shows that they haven't been watching very closely.

copy paste isnt even all that on mobile phones. I have it on android and on average use it only once every week or so. Even if i didnt have it i could live without it.

I love the people who are posting comments defending the lack of this feature! Why should any company strive to do better when they have people out there who will not only pay for their unfinished product but will also claim it is the best decision that the company could have made. I truly love you all, you ruin the world.

CrazyK said,
I love the people who are posting comments defending the lack of this feature! Why should any company strive to do better when they have people out there who will not only pay for their unfinished product but will also claim it is the best decision that the company could have made. I truly love you all, you ruin the world.

i don't believe it was a great decision, but come on, i can live with out copy and paste for a few months. majority of the people here seem to be fussing because microsoft is following in Apples footsteps on this one. Obviously if Apple could not get it right the first time and Androids copy paste isn't all that good, then it would seem copy paste is harder to implement than most people thing. No one is stopping people from holding out on buying the product till then, I just think that the average user will not need it much, and they already implemented another temporary feature to replace it.

CrazyK said,
I love the people who are posting comments defending the lack of this feature! Why should any company strive to do better when they have people out there who will not only pay for their unfinished product but will also claim it is the best decision that the company could have made. I truly love you all, you ruin the world.

Who defending the decision? Plenty of us are willing to wait 3-4 months for the update.

Let's face it, Android copy and paste is pretty crap - nothing compared to the iOS (and I dislike the iOS platform in general).

It takes a while to perfect the way the user should interact with the views, data and then handling the potential memory leaks and injections.

uhm - Yeaaaaaa - I remember when Windows introduced copy/paste...and the dos editor....so why the FFFFFFFFFF is this so difficult?

I cant believe this ****. My not that old phone, a w705 support this, even my even older w300 CAN DO THINGS LIKE THIS and this so called "new" phoneOSs cant do basics things like this.

ThePitt said,
I cant believe this ****. My not that old phone, a w705 support this, even my even older w300 CAN DO THINGS LIKE THIS and this so called "new" phoneOSs cant do basics things like this.

ARGH I KNOW WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT *throws chair*

RARR can you ****in even stand to **** this **** when they're all **** and you're like **** HEY I SAID and ****** for the **** to KICK THEM IN THE BALLS

/amirite?

Well, if you buy HTC Windows Phone 7 now, you will not get that functionality in early 2011 as it will take HTC 12 months to roll out Windows Phone 7.1 to their ROMs.

jpalo said,
Well, if you buy HTC Windows Phone 7 now, you will not get that functionality in early 2011 as it will take HTC 12 months to roll out Windows Phone 7.1 to their ROMs.

Actually, MS controls the updates to WP7 using the Zune software. HTC doesn't need to do anything.

jpalo said,
Well, if you buy HTC Windows Phone 7 now, you will not get that functionality in early 2011 as it will take HTC 12 months to roll out Windows Phone 7.1 to their ROMs.

The HOPE is that HTC widgets will be modular, and the actual OS can be upgraded underneath them. The HOPE is that HTC won't code widgets that'll break if there's a minor OS change.

jpalo said,
Well, if you buy HTC Windows Phone 7 now, you will not get that functionality in early 2011 as it will take HTC 12 months to roll out Windows Phone 7.1 to their ROMs.

Please don't spread falsehoods. Updates are controlled by Microsoft through the Zune desktop software. Even in the announcement, Belfiore said clearly that everyone will get the update.

jpalo said,
Well, if you buy HTC Windows Phone 7 now, you will not get that functionality in early 2011 as it will take HTC 12 months to roll out Windows Phone 7.1 to their ROMs.

THIS is why the platform will win. I don't have to wait for my handset manufacturer or carrier to approve the update. MS just updates when the functionality is ready.

It will be nice after us windows early adopters have the newest OS updates while Android users are stuck on 1.5 or something.

If I can copy the text from my phone and paste it on to my windows 7 pc and vice versa that would be WIN!

Maybe a little too future for now though?

Teebor said,
If I can copy the text from my phone and paste it on to my windows 7 pc and vice versa that would be WIN!

Maybe a little too future for now though?


send yourself an email... there... fixed!

On a serious note... I hope you were joking... lol

Teebor said,
If I can copy the text from my phone and paste it on to my windows 7 pc and vice versa that would be WIN!

Maybe a little too future for now though?

On an Android device (running 2.2 or later) you can actually do from computer -> device using Chrome To Phone. I thought this was awesome at first and have used it 0 times since then.

tomcoleman said,
why bother announcing it now. They should have waited untill it was finished WITH copy and paste then release it.
Then the phones would have taken even longer to release. MS uses SmartSense for a temporary replacement of copy paste.

tomcoleman said,
why bother announcing it now. They should have waited untill it was finished WITH copy and paste then release it.
iPhone never should have come out without this feature too huh? Sales on that tanked until C/P was present and it saved the platform right?

tomcoleman said,
why bother announcing it now. They should have waited untill it was finished WITH copy and paste then release it.
no, see above

tomcoleman said,
why bother announcing it now. They should have waited untill it was finished WITH copy and paste then release it.

and miss the uber-profitable Holiday season? Yeah, smart idea there...

lordcanti86 said,

and miss the uber-profitable Holiday season? Yeah, smart idea there...

If a company miss the holiday season just for Copy & Paste, that's really a crazy kind of incompetence.

However, MS apparently left this feature out intentionally.

They were trying to implement a replacement feature to standard copy/paste, and who knows maybe most people will be very happy with how this works once its in the public's hands - but the main thing here is that they have listened to feedback and are now including standard copy/paste into the OS within the first update.

Based on how well the contextual copy/paste works (I know its not called copy paste but you know what I mean) I can see it possibly being used more than the standard copy paste anyway, it sounds well thought out and quite handy, but failing that from q1 2011 we'll have standard copy paste, win!

SH3K0 said,

"We try to anticipate what the user wants so copy and paste isn't necessary" What an idiot!

Not at all. I can think of 2 instances in the last 1.5 years that I have needed top copy/paste on my iPhone.

njlouch said,

Not at all. I can think of 2 instances in the last 1.5 years that I have needed top copy/paste on my iPhone.

As an android user I agree that copy and paste is needed, but thats only down to android having only standard copy/paste built in. Most of the time i need it its to copy a postcode to maps for direction, or a phone number from an email to dial etc etc. - most of the standard reasons you need copy paste for (system wide copy paste, I'm not talking in app copy/paste like in excel - thats built in) are for things like I mentioned above, MS might well have a great solution but until its out and people are testing it by using it themselves rather than looking at a feature list we'll have to wait and see.

SH3K0 said,

"We try to anticipate what the user wants so copy and paste isn't necessary" What an idiot!

Developers tend to create better applications when they are bound by these kinds of limitations - and for windows phone this can only be a benefit to the end user

njlouch said,

Not at all. I can think of 2 instances in the last 1.5 years that I have needed top copy/paste on my iPhone.

Oddly I only feel the need for copy+paste on Android, while I've never really felt the need for it on a phone anywhere else. But it might be because I'm on a CDMA network now, and texting isn't the most reliable thing in the world. I have, at times, used "Copy All" on an sms I typed if I had to switch out to another program real quick, because god knows Android has some unpredictable quirks and I've seen more than one text field erase itself.

So I feel like, in Android, copy+paste is more of a calm-down-and-rest-assured feature than actual added functionality. It's not like you can use it in every application: the gmail app completely lacks it (among other common-sense features).

...in fact, in Android, you really ONLY have copy in text-entry fields. Everything beyond that is hit or miss depending on the developer's mood and position of the sun. If the only universal truth is that you can copy what you've ALREADY typed out, it's not that magical a feature.

And copying text in a web browser is trial-and-error with a finger for selection. -_-

Joshie said,

Oddly I only feel the need for copy+paste on Android, while I've never really felt the need for it on a phone anywhere else. But it might be because I'm on a CDMA network now, and texting isn't the most reliable thing in the world. I have, at times, used "Copy All" on an sms I typed if I had to switch out to another program real quick, because god knows Android has some unpredictable quirks and I've seen more than one text field erase itself.

So I feel like, in Android, copy+paste is more of a calm-down-and-rest-assured feature than actual added functionality. It's not like you can use it in every application: the gmail app completely lacks it (among other common-sense features).

...in fact, in Android, you really ONLY have copy in text-entry fields. Everything beyond that is hit or miss depending on the developer's mood and position of the sun. If the only universal truth is that you can copy what you've ALREADY typed out, it's not that magical a feature.

And copying text in a web browser is trial-and-error with a finger for selection. -_-

The browser included with Sense is really good for that

SH3K0 said,

"We try to anticipate what the user wants so copy and paste isn't necessary" What an idiot!

I agree. Didn't the noise about this from the iPhone end-users teach them anything?

Northgrove said,

I agree. Didn't the noise about this from the iPhone end-users teach them anything?

The noise was from iPhone critics, not users. The majority of users didn't care.

Seriously, the threads are STILL in forum archives all around the web. Go see for yourself.

njlouch said,

Not at all. I can think of 2 instances in the last 1.5 years that I have needed top copy/paste on my iPhone.

C/P is such a useful feature for me that I can't see using a smartphone w/o it. I didn't get an iPhone until it was implemented... idk, i might suggest that if you don't need c/p on a smartphone then you probably don't even need a smartphone and a feature phone will work great for your needs... but then I might get flamed for saying such a thing.

Shadrack said,
I didn't get an iPhone until it was implemented...
Are you saying you've specifically not tried a smartphone without C&P? I think that would make it a little hard to judge its relative usefulness, would it not?

Kirkburn said,
Are you saying you've specifically not tried a smartphone without C&P? I think that would make it a little hard to judge its relative usefulness, would it not?

Not when I've already used it a couple times today

Joshie said,

...in fact, in Android, you really ONLY have copy in text-entry fields. Everything beyond that is hit or miss depending on the developer's mood and position of the sun. If the only universal truth is that you can copy what you've ALREADY typed out, it's not that magical a feature.

And copying text in a web browser is trial-and-error with a finger for selection. -_-


How do you copy from the web browser? I haven't figure it out yet.

day2die said,

How do you copy from the web browser? I haven't figure it out yet.

You install a 3rd party one, lol. At least, if there's a way to do it in the stock browser, I never wasted time figuring it out. I always hated that stock can't be exited, and generally lacks intuitiveness (long-press on back brings up bookmarks or something, I think--the heck?).

I use XScope and love it. It's dramatically more simple and quick than Dolphin HD, while still offering most of the features. Also, copy to clipboard.

Went trialware recently. But I prefer it so much I went ahead and paid for it.

Panda X said,
I'm no programmer but I would have thought implementing c/p wouldn't been so hard as to take months to implement it.

Here's my understanding...
You are copying data (text/photo/whatever) into memory. As such, this exposes a possible injection hole... And so it's not as simple as it seems...

Panda X said,
I'm no programmer but I would have thought implementing c/p wouldn't been so hard as to take months to implement it.

The delay is in getting the gestures and behaviour right. Obviously the actual copy and paste code is trivial (it's in the RTM build but is disabled)...

Panda X said,
I'm no programmer but I would have thought implementing c/p wouldn't been so hard as to take months to implement it.

I think the problems are:
1) selecting text using finger (not mouse/stylus). Don't forget that the swipe gesture flips pages.
2) inter-process clipboard and security. Imagine an app that spies on all clipboard text in background.

Panda X said,
I'm no programmer but I would have thought implementing c/p wouldn't been so hard as to take months to implement it.

its not trivial

njlouch said,

Here's my understanding...
You are copying data (text/photo/whatever) into memory. As such, this exposes a possible injection hole... And so it's not as simple as it seems...


Since applications are sandboxed, it may indeed be a challenge to implant copy and paste.

To both of the comments above.. would you prefer no phone at all.. or atleast for say another 6 months while they sort this. Or phone now and add it a bit later?

Software deg is sometimes about making priorities in order to meet deadlines or budgets.. so clearly this feature was on the list but not critical.

Fail would be not having it for atleast 2 more versions...

I can't remember people posting rational posts like that on Neowin when Apple didn't add copy/paste right from the start.

.Neo said,
I can't remember people posting rational posts like that on Neowin when Apple didn't add copy/paste right from the start.

Believe it or not, I do. I remember a lot of the debate about copypasta for the early iOS iterations, as well as much of the debate about multitasking.

The idea was that the iPhone was so good at handling information the way it did, living without copy and paste wasn't that hard. It was right up there with shrugging off multitasking because, in situations like IM software, iPhone could use push notifications and it was "just as good".

The perspectives were there. People have just forgotten them.

.Neo said,
I can't remember people posting rational posts like that on Neowin when Apple didn't add copy/paste right from the start.

Maybe because Apple never said anything about Copy and Paste coming? Whereas Microsoft have promised that it will be coming in a few months?

RealFduch said,

Is that supposed to be... funny?

Some of these fanatical mac users, seem to have no intelligence, still imagining Windows is only available on grey or beige bulky PCs still on Windows 95!

RealFduch said,

Is that supposed to be... funny?

It's the same kind of funny as the "holding it wrong" stuff that the Windows fans cheer about.

Northgrove said,

It's the same kind of funny as the "holding it wrong" stuff that the Windows fans cheer about.

At least the 'holding it wrong' joke was based on a clear problem with the iPhone 4... this joke was based upon obvious trolling with no relation to WP7.

Northgrove said,

It's the same kind of funny as the "holding it wrong" stuff that the Windows fans cheer about.

No, that'd be true if you were making the joke in like...99,2000. BOSDs have been more or less a thing of the past since SP1 of windows XP. Jesus, get new material.

AgentGray said,

No, that'd be true if you were making the joke in like...99,2000. BOSDs have been more or less a thing of the past since SP1 of windows XP. Jesus, get new material.


Not to mention, Windows Phone 7 is developed in a completely different way to Windows - it's different software.

AgentGray said,

No, that'd be true if you were making the joke in like...99,2000. BOSDs have been more or less a thing of the past since SP1 of windows XP. Jesus, get new material.

I've had a BSOD in Windows 7 due to a video card problem. But almost all BSOD are attributed to hardware issues or drivers being installed incorrectly.

But umm..ok, here's some new material: Will you get a RRoD when you copy too much text ?

martinDTanderson said,

Some of these fanatical mac users, seem to have no intelligence, still imagining Windows is only available on grey or beige bulky PCs still on Windows 95!

How do you know the OP is a "fanatical" mac user? They could be a Windows user with some cheap POS eMachines. Or a spiteful Linux user...

Shadrack said,
Will you get a RRoD when you copy too much text ?

Will you get a message saying not enough Microsoft Points when you copy too much text?

ILikeTobacco said,

Will you get a message saying not enough Microsoft Points when you copy too much text?

****! I just need 1 more point, damn it. Why do I need to spend a minimum of $20 when all I need is 1 more point..friggen scam.

Shadrack said,
They could be a Windows user with some cheap POS eMachines. Or a spiteful Linux user...

Aren't they one in the same? Isn't that how Linux fanbois are created? something like the following: The newest windows blah blah blah won't install on something my mommy n daddy bought me 10 years ago. Linux runs on it fine.
Windows suxx.

SH3K0 said,
FAIL!

Apple didn't include copy and paste in iOS for a few iterations. At least this will be included in the second version of Windows Phone 7.

Some people forget this is nothing like Windows Mobile and not based off it - it's been built from the ground up and they wish not to add features until they're ready and work well with the operating system.

Calum said,

Apple didn't include copy and paste in iOS for a few iterations. At least this will be included in the second version of Windows Phone 7.

Some people forget this is nothing like Windows Mobile and not based off it - it's been built from the ground up and they wish not to add features until they're ready and work well with the operating system.


For a company that has been in the phone market longer than Apple and doesn't recognise what features end user expects from their device or an OS is a total fail, period.

Edited by SH3K0, Oct 12 2010, 6:59pm :

SH3K0 said,

For a company that has been in the phone market longer than Apple and doesn't recognise what features end user expects from their device or an OS is a total fail, period.
There's a difference between 'needs' and 'expects'. I think it's fairly obviously they didn't feel it was top priority based on needs.

Kirkburn said,
There's a difference between 'needs' and 'expects'. I think it's fairly obviously they didn't feel it was top priority based on needs.

Don't bother. He's obviously a troll.

Zok-StaR said,
well then.. isnt that a little crap! Why is it so hard for these people to do this feature? Took apple a while too!!

same ques here..even Opera Mini on a Cheap Java featured Phone can do it!

Zok-StaR said,
well then.. isnt that a little crap! Why is it so hard for these people to do this feature? Took apple a while too!!

Does anyone actually use copy paste? Everyone cried and cried about it, but I've only ever used it once. :\

Pc_Madness said,

Does anyone actually use copy paste? Everyone cried and cried about it, but I've only ever used it once. :\


+1 I never use it...

Pc_Madness said,

Does anyone actually use copy paste? Everyone cried and cried about it, but I've only ever used it once. :\


I use copy/paste on my iPhone quite a bit.

Zok-StaR said,
well then.. isnt that a little crap! Why is it so hard for these people to do this feature? Took apple a while too!!

The whole WP7 OS took 18 months to develope. Do you expect everything everyone want to be included?

Microsoft focus on polishing the OS rather then bolting in many features.

Pc_Madness said,

Does anyone actually use copy paste? Everyone cried and cried about it, but I've only ever used it once. :\


Actually I do use it quite often. MS is being very careful this time by not adding something in a rush without the certainty that works, a move learned from Vista I think....good for us.