Dell Believes in Blu-Ray Win, Consumers Say Otherwise

Dell Inc., one of the largest suppliers of personal computers on the globe, said on Monday that the Blu-ray disc format will eventually win the war between next-generation digital video disc formats because of broad industry support. To confirm the claim, Dell introduced its new laptop with Blu-ray disc optical drive.

"Blu-ray optical drive technology has gained broad industry support and we believe it will become the optical drive standard of the future," said. Alex Gruzen, senior vice president, Dell Product Group. The Blu-ray disc format is fighting against HD DVD format to replace DVD in future.

Meanwhile, monitoring of consumer discussions by Cymfony research firm reveal that more people are impressed by HD DVD rather than by Blu-ray and there are just a few discussions of Blu-ray advantages over HD DVD in the forums over the Internet.

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I havent heard that much news about HD-DVD.. havent seen any ads, or anything. from a normal point of view, i wouldnt even know what HD-DVD is unless you told me.

blueray seems to be trying real hard to get the name out there, but everyone still seems to be doubting it. although i really dont trust sony after the whole rootkit thing... im still kind of caution about this. i think the price alone of the players and dvds will decide who wins this... and so for, in those categories... HD-DVD takes the lead.

Blu-ray Disc is burned at the top layer of the disc which is less resistent to scratches compared to CDs/DVDs/HD-DVDs. I know I leave my discs outside the case all the time. We will see what happens with that issue.

Also, space should not be the deciding factor since Blu-ray Recordable Disc are only 25 GB in the market now.

My god, if the community is this broken up about the thing this war is gonna take it's sweet time!

I always liked Blu-ray 'cause of the size, bigger then hddvd, and because it has a nice name. Acronyms are getting old.

And yes, Microsoft said that they would love to see Blu-ray be a bit "friendlier" to the consumer, regarding the copying thing... Which makes me very suspicious, coming from the mouth of Bill Gates :s

It's strange, hddvd came out first but here in Belgium I haven't seen a single hddvd yet but they are selling a couple of blu-ray dvds...

wasn't there a report from microsoft saying they like HD-DVD as it allows you to download the movie from disc to hdd to play (obviously with DRM restrictions).

Dell is talking out of its a$$ once again x)
Even if all the BluGay, err, BluRay fanboys here don't want to wake up from their drug fantasies of BluRay winning, HD-Dvd will win for very simple reasons:
- It is more affordable. People will always go for the more affordable option.
- less costy to produce, and you can have HD-Dvd and normal Dvd on the same disc.
- easily recognized by the man-on-the-street who is not technically minded.
- it is *not* made by Sony! Just look at Sony's track record of "quality" (ahem) products: Betamax, Umd, exploding notebook batteries... (yes, the exploding batteries were exclusively Sony-made). Just shows how much Sony "cares" about quality (i.e. not at all). It won't be any different with BluRay. I can already see people complaining about exploding BluRay discs which wreck their vastly overpriced BluRay drives

According to rumours Apple is likely to start shipping Blu-ray Macs in February. Seems like Dell isn't the only one. :eek:

I'm sure I read somewhere that a company had developed a drive capable of reading Blue-ray and HD disks, if it ever came to market, the technologies are after all fairly similar, then it would be very good for consumers.

Dell is a big Blu-Ray supporter and is a member of the board of directors of the Blu-Ray Disc Association (as is Apple and HP) so it's a no brainer really. I was just checking the list of supporters, <joking>now I'm sure Blu-Ray is doomed, EA supports it :P </joking>

Technologically, they are very equal...monetarily speaking HD-DVD is blowing them out of contention, so what is this guy smoking?

Well I would say that this isn't a surprise considering Dell is part of the group that designed the Blu-ray spec. Which is technically superior but unfortunately way more expensive.

XboX 360 with HD-DVD is the way to go!!!!!!!! Screw pos sony with their ugly blu-ray...

I've yet to see a single blu-ray title for sale here (besides for sell via TV and internet). But HD-DVD is every where!

In the Netherlands (and probably the rest of Europe) there's no sign of HD DVD either except for the Xbox 360. Blu-Ray on the other hand is starting to spread out.

HD DVD makes more sense of the foreseeable future. You have a disc that actually has two formats on it, DVD and HDDVD.

Betamax vs VHS? Not the same for BR vs HDDVD. Why? Well some studios are going BR only and some are going HDDVD only. This means that either you watch only movies from one studio or you buy 2 players.

And while we on about discs, why the hell are DLDVD's still so outragiously over priced? I can buy 10 DVD5's for the price of one DVD9. And they want us to choose a new format?

The price won't come down on DL until they start producing them in high quantities, but since people aren't buying them I don't think that will ever happen, especially with the new HD formats coming. It's just not worth paying the outrageous price when you can just get two single layer DVDs for next to nothing. Dual Layer was basically a flop.

That and the fact that DL disks where always going to be marketed at a high price to put the pirates off using them.

That way they can still pump out their "Pirate copies are not as good quality" spiel because they have had their quality reduced by all of like 20%.

"Meanwhile, monitoring of consumer discussions by Cymfony research firm reveal that more people are impressed by HD DVD rather than by Blu-ray"

People were "impressed" by HD DVD more? Did they buy two players and found the HD DVD player had a better picture? Or were the ads for the HD DVD player more appealing? Or did the faceplate look better?

Reading the article it seems they came to this conclusion based on "research" of discussion on blogs and forums...

The early Blu-Ray titles used mpeg2 instead of the newer codecs so they were indeed inferior in picture quality. I think the current movies coming out on Blu-Ray use the new codecs though so they should appear identical to the HD-DVD versions. That depends on the quality of the players of course, and from what I've read the Blu-Ray players that have been made so far have been disappointing. As far as why the people were impressed more with one over the other, who knows. Some probably did compare, others may have gone on what they had heard so far.

When using the same codecs Blu-Ray should be able to achieve higher quality because the larger disc capacity allows for an increased bitrate.

NEway, I think this is all a lot of fuss about nothing. We'll have dual-format players soon, much like the whole DVD+/- situation, so this is nothing like the BetaMax/VHS battle... HD-DVD will quite possibly win the short term battle but the large storage capacity of Blu-Ray will allow it to win in the long term (provided other areas remain comparable). As long as I, the consumer, can get the best quality and best storage capacity as possible then that is all that matters - HD-DVD/Blu-Ray is irrelevant.

I see Blu-ray coming out on top in the end but not to most consumers.. and besides what do consumers know? Nothing they go for anything thats affordable and recognizable and what else is going for. In the mean time ill be sticking with the DVD... both next gen formats are too new and its a bit to early to even tell who could win in the first place.

Dell is right to back Blu Ray, I see no reason why Blu Ray won't win in the end, after all Sony has a great history with proprietary media like Betamax, MiniDisc and UMD.

Oh hang on...

In the end, I think the consumer will select the more affordable option, which is what has usually happened in the past, and that happens to be HD-DVD. Also most people will be able to recognize and associate better to HD-DVD than Blu Ray, so HD-DVD backers have less marketing work to do.

The format isn't that much newer, it only came out a few months after HD-DVD I think. That has nothing to do with the price, it's mostly the complexity of making them compared to HD-DVD which can use existing DVD facilities. They've also been having manufacturing difficulties with producing the players such as part shortages. See the PS3 for example.

Quote - virtorio said @ #16
Dell is right to back Blu Ray, I see no reason why Blu Ray won't win in the end, after all Sony has a great history with proprietary media like Betamax, MiniDisc and UMD.

Well said... Good job it's not "SONY Blu-Ray," otherwise they'd really sink it, what with the amount of troubles they've had with their batteries, DRM/Rootkit CDs etc.
I personally am going to wait until the end of the war, seeing as the only HD devices in my house are PC monitors :P

I was in Best Buy yesterday and was suprised to see how many of both Blue-Ray and HD DVD titles were available already. I guess I don't get out much anymore. lol.

And why is it better? Size, is that the only reason? Maybe a different decoder? As far as I know, they will both do 1080P over HDMI so in theory they will look the same. This isn't VHS/Beta because there was a noticeable difference between the two formats. Bottom line, I will stick with DVD until I am forced to switch.

Quote - RangerLG said @ #13.1
Bottom line, I will stick with DVD until I am forced to switch.

Me too. Considering I don't have an HD TV yet anyway, there's no point. I am perfectly happy with standard definition. Once the technology is cheap, then I'll pick it up.

Quote - RangerLG said @ #13.1
And why is it better? Size, is that the only reason? Maybe a different decoder? As far as I know, they will both do 1080P over HDMI so in theory they will look the same. This isn't VHS/Beta because there was a noticeable difference between the two formats. Bottom line, I will stick with DVD until I am forced to switch.

I have to admit I know nothing about the differences, but recently Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails said that the Blu-Ray version of his upcoming live film "Beside you in time" definitely had better, crisper picture quality than the HD-DVD version, even though both were running at 1080p; which is weird and something that he couldn't figure out a reason for except for the encoders each disc uses.
It's a shame for me, because I'd vote for HD-DVD any day.

We have these handy buttons with a "R" for Reply on them... try clicking that, because I don't know which post you are referring too.

you know what will win? the name the average consumer understands... DVD is a common name now... when you hear blu-ray, you dont think DVD... heck most average consumers think what is that? when they hear HDDVD they think oooh its a DVD... average people buy whats familiar

Unfortunately that could be true. But at the same time, it would be a shame. There's no good reason for HD-DVD to prevail.

Quote - bangbang023 said @ #10.2
For many people, the fact that it isn't a Sony product is enough reason to want HD-DVD to prevail.

DVD and CD were co-developed by Sony. I doubt the hate of Sony by a few geeks will make a difference.

DVD and CD were co-developed by Sony.

Yes, and the competitor to each of those formats was? That's right, they did not have a competitor. CDs were replacing cassettes and DVDs replacing VHS. Was there ever any question they would succeed? We now have a format war though, and in those situations Sony doesn't have a great track record.

I doubt the hate of Sony by a few geeks will make a difference.

You're here posting on the topic too. Does that not make you a "geek" as well? Besides, I think there are quite a bit more than a few people that hate Sony.

Quote - Skyfrog said @ #10.4
Yes, and the competitor to each of those formats was?

My point was, why are these rabid anti-Sony people supporting Sony by buying DVDs and CDs. Is their choice of HD DVD based solely on the fact that they dislike Sony? Even though every consumer electronics company is basically the same?

You're here posting on the topic too. Does that not make you a "geek" as well?

I never said I wasn't.

Quote - AfroTrance said @ #10.3

DVD and CD were co-developed by Sony. I doubt the hate of Sony by a few geeks will make a difference.

Wasn't the CD an invention of Philips and the only thing Sony did together with Philips was defining a standard? Could be wrong though... Anyway I rather have Blu-Ray DVD, because of the higher storage capacity.
In a couple of years we don't bother anymore, then we are switching to holographic DVD. Besides I there is a company that already created a system that makes HD DVD and Blu-Ray DVD work in one single system. Sounds like a solution for this problem.

The Seagate CEO, in that now infamous "crap and porn" interview made a great analysis of Dell. He said how the yare losing now because they are completely out of touch with what the consumer wants. I think this only serves to further exemplify that.

All I know is blu-ray movies are being sold already here in Spain. From a consumer POV, as of now, HD-DVD movies do not exist.

Since HD-DVD movies and players where on sale long tiem before BD... I think your town is messed up.. you probably have some fanboy store owners. dont' worry they'll make themselves go bankrupt any day with that kind of business practice.

Quote - HawkMan said @ #8.1
Since HD-DVD movies and players where on sale long tiem before BD... I think your town is messed up.. you probably have some fanboy store owners. dont' worry they'll make themselves go bankrupt any day with that kind of business practice.

I'm talking about big, international stores.
My town? How about doing some reading for a change: I'm talking about a whole country.

Yes. I hope Blu-Ray takes a nose dive.
Dell might think they know what's going to happen, but my 7 HDDVD's say otherwise.

Quote - l0g0ut said @ #6
i'm too lazy to google... can someone tell me if blu ray is backward compatible with existing CD/DVDs...

No, it needs to have two lasers in the drive to achieve this.

Its not always the better format that is more succesful. Betamax was way better than VHS, but VHS won the battle.

How do you define "better"? Most people contribute Betamax's failure to the fact it never could compete with VHS when it came to total recording time. The orginal Betamax was a 1-hour tape (compared to the 2-hour VHS). It is hard to call a format "way better" when you couldn't watch a 90 minute movie without switching tapes!

Quote - FrozenSpoon said @ #5.1
How do you define "better"? Most people contribute Betamax's failure to the fact it never could compete with VHS when it came to total recording time. The orginal Betamax was a 1-hour tape (compared to the 2-hour VHS). It is hard to call a format "way better" when you couldn't watch a 90 minute movie without switching tapes!

Betamax did have better quality. That's what he's talking about.

From a consumers point of view I think the name will be the deciding factor over the HDDVD/Blu-Ray war.

If I wasn't tech savvy i'd see HD DVD and think - sweet High Definition DVD.
I see Blu-Ray and think - what the hell is that?

Quote - Rockett15 said @ #1
From a consumers point of view I think the name will be the deciding factor over the HDDVD/Blu-Ray war.

If I wasn't tech savvy i'd see HD DVD and think - sweet High Definition DVD.
I see Blu-Ray and think - what the hell is that?

That's what I've been thinking too. "HD DVD" sounds a lot more like a standard than the trendy "Blu-Ray" name.

ha reminds me when I got one of the first new generation D600 Latitude Notebooks. They would only ship "+ DVDR" DVD writers when other manufacturers were doing "Minus" or both...

potatoe....potatoe

Quote - HawkMan said @ #1.1
+ pretty much won though.

sure all writers today are both , but most media is plus

i would say:

+ (plus) only won in the home dvd recorder market

- (minus) won the computer market.