Demonoid Possibly Shut Down by the CRIA

As of now it is still unsure what exactly happened, but the popular Dutch news site nu.nl reports that the Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA) is responsible for the downtime. Websites such as TorrentFreak contacted some of the Demonoid administrators, but they are not sure what happened either. It is certainly possible that Demonoid's Canadian ISP pulled the plug after being pressured by the CRIA. The Demonoid server is still pinging, but the ISP could have firewalled the everything after they received some serious legal threats. Deimos, the founder and the head admin of the site is unreachable and has not responded yet.

This is not the first time Demonoid suffers major downtime due to pressure from the anti-piracy lobby. Demonoid had to move its servers from The Netherlands to Canada in June after The Dutch anti-piracy outfit BREIN filed a subpoena against Demonoid's ISP. BREIN had asked the ISP to take Demonoid offline and hand over the administrator's personal details, but Demonoid relocated their servers before any harm was done. Unfortunately, it now seems that Canada is not the "safe haven" as they expected it to be.

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I m asure they are now looking for a new landscape. Why in a hell they dont go to Sweden?
With more than 3 millions hit/day plus donation Deimos must be doing something 200k/month or more. Money enough to be "professional". He should have made an offshore co to control demonoid in a place where he can face such threats.

Just tried to access Demonoid and there is a new message there now:

"The latest changes to the site are giving us some problems - We'll be back soon"

Newspost - Sep/30/2007
Downtime

We received a letter from a lawyer represeting the CRIA, they were threatening with legal action and we need to start blocking Canadian traffic because of this.

Thanks for your understanding, and sorry for any inconvenience.

Direct from Demonoid's website. The silence is broken and all the SPECULATION WAS CORRECT. They were down because of the CRIA.

ChazzMatt1 said,

Direct from Demonoid's website. The silence is broken and all the SPECULATION WAS CORRECT. They were down because of the CRIA.

my statements were correct it was a tech issue and still is. as to this continued rumor of CRIA untill they announce this themselves officially i don't believe it. YOU say their site says provide a link.

Tracker works when I opened my client today so I went to check out demonoid's site. This is their official comment:

We received a letter from a lawyer represeting the CRIA, they were threatening with legal action and We need to start blocking Canadian traffic because of this. If you reside in Canada, that is the reason you are being redirected to this message. Thanks for your understanding, and sorry for any inconvenience.

Heh.

I'd like to say that CRIA doesn't represent any music artists officially (nor do they have any official backing from ANY Canadian artists). They're just showing "an industry view of a music industry without musicians." (source: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2255/)

Not to mention the only music I've seen on demonoid that's Canadian is... Sarah McLachlan and Feist. And I remember distinctly that Sarah stands behind downloading of music (she didn't say anything about torrents :P ) and is against DRM and whatever the hell was on one of her albums released quite a few years ago. Or maybe it's the Dixie Chicks who had DRM and not Sarah? *shrug*

BTW, Dr. Michael Geist is the Canada Research Chair of Internet and E-commerce Law at the University of Ottawa. So I think he knows a thing or two about this stuff. lol, ;)

Ooo! Maybe I should pay him a visit and ask him about this?

Demonoid administrators always deny threats from "anti-piracy" groups
They always say "it is a crash". They did this when they faced Dutch authorities.

That is not the second time Demonoid face legal problems as everybody is talking. That is the third time. First time
shortly after suprnova shutdown Deimos left a message asking for help to find a "russian provider" to host demonoid. After that he shuted down demonoid and opened it again few weeks later (I suspect he was using a US based provider and antecipated legal threats moving before to be targeted)...In the end his excuses was...disk crashes

Problem now he became a big fat cat and did not have a backdoor. They were taken now without a plan B
They will be back I am sure (and hope) but this time it will take more time. Something like 1 month I suppose

Demonoid has been down before. it will come back up again.

Proud demonoid user with a 1.56 ratio with over 460 GB of downloaded torrent data!

I noticed earlier that the sites little icon now loads it the address bar. It wasn't doing that before. Also when I go to the site now the progress bar sits for about 10 seconds before going showing the "cannot display the webpage" message.

Just wanted to add that the TorrentFreak guy is more than annoying. Never really looked at that site before and after looking through it for a few minutes, I don't see why anyone would care for it.

WTF? THE CRIA? Many Canadian artists and even some record companies have made it clear that they don't want to fall into the same bull**** as the RIAA, and even if they did want I doubt they have the international authority to do so.

Demonoid is suffering a hard disk trouble (unspecified which kind of trouble) so they will come back in a near future.


Hey guys, let's start our own rumor mill, maybe we can end with saying that Bill Gates has a sexual affair with Steve Jobs?

Why not? This is the same place that stated that Linux can't handle more than 1GB of RAM!

will you people stop copy pasting **** like this from other sites...

Theres absolutely ZERO proof that CRIA put it down..

Actually I really doubt they can even if they wanted to the CRIA (despite the name) does NOT represent Canadian artists and the Canadian music industry. It is an AMERICAN association based in Canada to represent the RIAA here.

The dude from TorrentFreak only got this info from worth to mouth from a source he isn't willing to make public.

Demonoid is down, true

Because of CRIA, I really doubt it.

what to do? WAIT for Deimos to make an announcement instead of speculating ****.

WAIT how long? It's been days. They still don't know what's wrong? Oh, come on.

We need to make Deimos understand the longer he waits to make a statement the more stupid he's looking. You can't be the 2nd largest torrent site in the world and then disappear without people being concerned. I have a legit 12+ share ratio (I use Azareus), so I am a "stakeholder" who has a rigth to know what is going on.

If they are moving, fine. Just let us know you are moving. If they need more hardware and they don't have the money, then set up a PayPal account and we'll throw in a few bucks.

But SILENCE for days is unacceptable. They have cell phones, they have e-mail. Make a coherent statement.

By the way, the staff guy from Demonoid never denied that TorrentFreak article. He just kept saying it was "not confirmed". But then Deimos and Demonoid have no credibility in the first place on stuff like that. :suspicious: The last time when they went down and moved to Canada, they flat out denied they were taken down or moving. They claimed hardware problems. Then they turned up in Canada! So, they have a history of lying about stuff like that. Therefore, don't be so quick to carry their water or they will make you look foolish.

They should be honest and come clean. It's been 3 days now.

mircleman said,
god how rumors get started.

If it was just hardware, they would say it was hardware -- in a message on their site! What, they don't know how to code a simple parking page? Also, they would tell their own administrators it was just hardware -- instead their own administrators don't know what is going on. SO, it is NOT just hardware.

Last time they were knocked off it was because they had to run to Canada. Now they are off again.

IF they are not running somewhere else, then they need to release a public statement saying so. Ever heard of phone, e-mail? Posting a simple message on their own website? A hardware failure does not mean you are laying in a coma and can't communicate. Especially when they are reading the same speculation on all these new websites. You think they don't have internet access too? My goodness. They run a business, they know how to communicate if they wanted to. (They pay for server costs through ad banners and other advertising.) They sign contracts. They have phones, e-mail.

No, something is drastically wrong and they aren't talking for a reason. They aren't talking because they don't know where they are going to, or they don't have all their ducks in a row yet. They can't post on their own website because their ISP pulled the plug.

Wake up.

They'd say it was hardware in a message on their site IF it was a hardware failure of the TRACKER...

If it's a hardware failure of the web server itself, which it appears to be, then on just what "site" would they then be posting such a message?

On the site that's run by the server that went poof? Obviously that's not possible.

krasch said,
They'd say it was hardware in a message on their site IF it was a hardware failure of the TRACKER...

If it's a hardware failure of the web server itself, which it appears to be, then on just what "site" would they then be posting such a message?

On the site that's run by the server that went poof? Obviously that's not possible.

Again stop assuming and speculating Ok I KNOW i AM VERY CLOSE TO THE SITUATION. the site is down due to a tech issue. they have not issued a statement because they do not know what the issue is yet. some say the entire drive went down but they are not sure yet. and yes if they install from back ups that takes time. relax a statement is coming.

mircleman said,
Again stop assuming and speculating Ok I KNOW i AM VERY CLOSE TO THE SITUATION. the site is down due to a tech issue. they have not issued a statement because they do not know what the issue is yet. some say the entire drive went down but they are not sure yet. and yes if they install from back ups that takes time. relax a statement is coming.

If it's taking them this long to recover from a hardware failure then might I suggest that they either increase their hardware investment budget or hire better tech support? The only thing I can think of is that they ran out of money and can't replace the critical components that failed.


Since they've been down for nearly two days now, it's one of three things: Fire, flood, or fubar.

Croquant said,

If it's taking them this long to recover from a hardware failure then might I suggest that they either increase their hardware investment budget or hire better tech support? The only thing I can think of is that they ran out of money and can't replace the critical components that failed.

Since they've been down for nearly two days now, it's one of three things: Fire, flood, or fubar.


Exactly. If their ISP didn't pull the plug, then their continued outage and CONTINUED SILENCE shows serious incompentence.

And you can say, "stop speculating" all you want, but that's just silly to say that. Like we are supposed to pretend nothing is wrong? I guess we should just talk about the weather.

Of course we are going to speculate -- unless the people in charge (Deimos) are responsible enough to make a public statement -- which would stop all specualation. See how that works?

Demonoid could make a statement on their website -- you don't need to restore backup tapes to do that. (But you do need access to your own website. If they don't have that, then their ISP has firewalled them out.) If they have access, they could just put up a simple parked page "Under Construction" and WHY.

Or they (Deimos or staff) could make cell phone call (what their cell phones don't work either?) and call any of the tech sites, Neowin, TorrentFreak, the Inquirer, Register, etc. Or even send an e-mail. All these news sites, many run by people with journalism training are looking for facts. Deimos and staff could tell what they know and don't know. If it's not the Canadian RIAA then put that rumor to rest. Very easy to do. Yet, they refuse to do it.

My goodness. This is getting ridiculous and it's their fault for allowing it to happen. They need to step up to the plate and say something to their own staff and users.

Oh, and as an added comment...I just looked in ARIN to see who's netblock Demonoid is on, and the ISP in question..well, they used to be customers of said carrier I used to work for, and unless they somehow got personality reprogramming for the entire company, a single letter from the CRIA wouldn't be anywhere near enough to get them to shut off the site.

Hell, anything short of them being served suit papers would be the same.

CRIA are a bunch of idiots.

I remember a couple of years back, in my previous life of co-running a Canadian-based, north-american-wide carrier's abuse desk (said carrier's name not being mentioned). I was used to getting DMCA's and takedown requests on a regular basis, but this was different. We got a letter from the CRIA, in official-ese (not in the form of a DMCA, which wouldnt have been valid anyways in this case), putting us on notice that a website on our network, at such-and-such IP address and so-and-so domain name, had recordings of that 90's band "Crash Test Dummies" on it's site to download and listen to. They then went on about how it was illegal, and if we didn't take the site down immediately we'd be sued, all sorts of crap. I looked up the address and domain name, and realized the client was actually the band's record label, who had a bunch of servers co-located with us, and the site in question was THE BAND'S OFFICIAL SITE!

I took great glee in emailing them back, CC'ing the customer's tech contact, pointing out this little fact.

I never heard back from them again for years.

Sounds bogus to me. I don't think the CRIA can shut something down any more than the RIAA can. They would have to take it to court first.

again let me repeat they HAVE NOT been taken down. its a tech issue a statement will be released when he is able to. until then lets not spread rumors or mis facts. It has already been stated by those in the know and by Cria they did not REPEAT did not take down the site. everyone just relax and wait it out here. it will all be cleared up. oh and by the way sniper Im far from quote SOME RANDOM person I am very well known just not by allot on neowin.

OK, this article is almost word-for-word what was reported in the link. Can we italicise the copy/pasted parts in the future? Changing only one or two words still counts as plagiarism in the real world.

Every country has one. They multiply like the borg.


"We are the RIAA. Lower your firewalls and surrender your servers. We will add your artistic and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."

That's completely false.

Demonoid has reported on IRC that they suffered a hard drive failure and are restoring backups.

obsolete_power said,
No that is not possible. They have had one in the past and they had put up a page on their main site informing people of that.

That might be somewhat difficult if the hard drive that failed was hosting the website :rolleyes:
(OK, they may have backup servers, but perhaps not instantaneously on hand)

obsolete_power said,
No that is not possible. They have had one in the past and they had put up a page on their main site informing people of that.

It is quite possible.

The official announcement is the following.

"We had a system problem which will force us to restore everything from backup. The disks are pretty much empty right now and until we are able to upload the backup and set up everything up, we have to close down."

Whats worse is.. they don't even host any of the files...

It's like charging the States/Local governments with drug trafficking because the drug guys drove down the city/state roads...

That metaphor needs more work. It would be like charging a citizen who provides a centralized listing of drugs, the map location, and provides help in getting there to talk to the guy,

markjensen said,
That metaphor needs more work. It would be like charging a citizen who provides a centralized listing of drugs, the map location, and provides help in getting there to talk to the guy,

Is it really illegal to say where drugs are being sold? It's more like if the drugs were being given away for free, in the case of torrents.

So, the dutch equivalent of the Inquirer speculates something and suddenly everyone passes it on as news, completely unverified?! FFS people, it could be ANYTHING at this point...sheesh.

WRONG. In Canada, you are allowed to Download music for free for personal use. This limit stops at music, you can't download movies or tv shows legally for personal use. Also, the legal downloading doesn't apply to torrents, since it's Illegal to distribute (ie. upload) copywritten content. When using torrent you're forced to upload, hence making it illegal.

Marty2003 said,
WRONG. In Canada, you are allowed to Download music for free for personal use. This limit stops at music, you can't download movies or tv shows legally for personal use. Also, the legal downloading doesn't apply to torrents, since it's Illegal to distribute (ie. upload) copywritten content. When using torrent you're forced to upload, hence making it illegal.

Reference, please. There is a tariff on ALL recordable media that goes back to the copyright holder. Downloading movies or TV shows, for personal use, is the same as using a VCR. BTW, you aren't forced to upload with torrents, you can limit the number, or even stop it altogether. In fact my local ISP even had put out instructions on how to set up a torrent client.

Foub said,

Reference, please. There is a tariff on ALL recordable media that goes back to the copyright holder. Downloading movies or TV shows, for personal use, is the same as using a VCR. BTW, you aren't forced to upload with torrents, you can limit the number, or even stop it altogether. In fact my local ISP even had put out instructions on how to set up a torrent client.

Here you go. http://neil.eton.ca/copylevy.shtml#copy_a_movie

And feel free to do a google search for other sources if you still don't believe me.

But... if you use file sharing you would have to fully restrict uploading, and they could probably argue you were still an accomplice to other people sharing.

Similar to they could sue people hosting torrent files as they are helping commit a crime. Its like you can hold someone, while someone else shoots them... sure you didn't shoot them, but you had a lot to do with it.