Did Sinofsky kill off Windows 7 tablet design?

One week ago today, Microsoft shocked the tech industry when it announced that the leader of its Windows division, Steven Sinofsky, was leaving the company immediately. Since then, there has been no end to the speculation on why Sinofsky, who headed up the development of Windows 8, had left.

Most of the unofficial accounts seem to agree that Sinofsky was asked to leave by Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, but AllThingsD.com claimed that plans for Sinofsky's departure were in the works for the past several weeks. Now a new report claims just the opposite. ExtremeTech.com claims, according to its own unnamed sources, that Ballmer's decision  " ... was a surprise to both Sinofsky and his staff."

The article also repeats the many insider claims of Sinofsky being hard to work with, causing many leading Microsoft executives to jump ship over the years. The article also claims that Sinofsky bailed on a chance to have the older Windows 7 work on a tablet device, well before Apple launched the iPad. It states, "Microsoft partners apparently had a reference design for tablet hardware ready in time for Windows 7. Sources tell us that Sinofsky refused to add support for it in Windows 7."

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Probably a very good thing. Imagine Windows-7 being the debacle of Windows-8--a mongrel (oops, compromise or hybrid) OS trying to work well on two entirely different form factors with entirely different uses. Regrettably, he got overulled with Windows-8.

it also may be an attempt to vilify the man after he decided that Microsoft may not be the best place to work.. blame him for every screw up.. happens all the time even around us "mundane" ppl after all he wasnt the only decision maker out there

Sinofsky's run-ins weren't limited to tablet computing initiatives. The Wall Street Journal's well-connected Kara Swisher even links him to the departure of Stephen Elop for Nokia.

I cannot confirm that Sinofsky has killed the touch features in 7, but he was aware about this. I've got a small discussion with him after RC for 7 was launched and talking about the removal of classic start menu and the fact that this affect touch capability ( imposible to use the small scrollable windowed menu on a tablet ) and that he must offer something to replace it, he prefered to change the subject. And yes - the old classci menu, even if it was designed for desktop - if set to use large icons was extremely easy to navigate with on a touch screen.

eiffel_g said,
I cannot confirm that Sinofsky has killed the touch features in 7, but he was aware about this. I've got a small discussion with him after RC for 7 was launched and talking about the removal of classic start menu and the fact that this affect touch capability ( imposible to use the small scrollable windowed menu on a tablet ) and that he must offer something to replace it, he prefered to change the subject. And yes - the old classci menu, even if it was designed for desktop - if set to use large icons was extremely easy to navigate with on a touch screen.

big icons would have done nothing to help windows 7 problems. lousy performance and battery life on anything other than a massive laptop or desktops aren't what you look for in a tablet os.

atifsh said,
when or where does it says microsoft killed media center????? yes that was old rumor but never came true... heck its even free for limited time!
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/feature-packs

MS killed it because they backstabbed the Media Center team by some manoeuvres which prevented them from porting the code. The Media Center team utilized a derivative of XML called MCML. Now with WinRT being all about XAML and the APIS being vastly different to MCML there was a problem.

There was infighting .. late information etc etc. Read up on it.

Feature Packs is a burial site.

FunkyMike said,
MS killed it because they backstabbed the Media Center team

MS likes to do that - an obvious example would be the "Windows Home Sever"-tragedy...

For the sake of this man's reputation, someone needs to come out with the thruth to stop all the rumours.

It's still possible that he was thinking of moving on, and MS asked him to stay for this last project. He was an ******* of a boss, but he still got **** done didn't he.

When Steven took over Windows in 2006 he had a problem to fix, Vista. The concerns back in 2009 was getting Windows to run on Netbooks which was all the craze from 2007 to 2009. That was the focus, no one was thinking about iPad with exception to Steve Jobs. In fact, the iPhone had not even launched yet and would not until a year later in 2007. From 2007 to 2009, the game changed, it was all about Smart Phones, no one was falling over themselves about Tablets. If Apple had not entered the Tablet market and really changed the category, I am sure Windows 8 would probably be a different type of Windows, probably more traditional in its design and functionality. Other things that really really held Windows back was Intel/AMD processors while Apple was embracing new architectures with ARM offering exceptional efficiency with battery life and just a better Internet Experience on a mobile device. Who would have guessed back in 2007 Windows would be running on ARM in 2012 and Microsoft would be in the hardware business with Surface and Nokia would be running Windows on its flagship smartphone? Who would have guessed that Blackberry would be in decline? Who would have guessed that Android would be where it is today?

You have to praise Sinofsky for the decisions he made, even if it irked some divisions within the company. Windows 7 greatly brought back Microsoft and the Windows brand credibility. I would say Steven and his team was caught between a rock and hard place and had to make some key decisions to really make this work within a reasonable amount of time. Yes, some divisions got left behind, especially Office which I personally was expecting to be a pure Tablet release.

These are the things that pre-occupied Microsoft in 2007 to 2009
- Fixing Vista
- iPhone
- Google Search
- Getting Windows to run decently on Netbooks
- Getting back credibility
- Getting people off Windows XP

Even if the ODMs had a decent Tablet form factor in 2009 to run Windows 7, the fact is, Windows 7 would just not be a great experience. What probably would have been great is even the Start Screen was available then to push on Tablet devices.

Sometimes I say, imagine if all of what MS launch now Windows 8, Windows Phone 8 were available 5 years ago?

Mr. Dee said,
When Steven took over Windows in 2006 he had a problem to fix, Vista. The concerns back in 2009 was getting Windows to run on Netbooks which was all the craze from 2007 to 2009. That was the focus, no one was thinking about iPad with exception to Steve Jobs. In fact, the iPhone had not even launched yet and would not until a year later in 2007. From 2007 to 2009, the game changed, it was all about Smart Phones, no one was falling over themselves about Tablets. If Apple had not entered the Tablet market and really changed the category, I am sure Windows 8 would probably be a different type of Windows, probably more traditional in its design and functionality. Other things that really really held Windows back was Intel/AMD processors while Apple was embracing new architectures with ARM offering exceptional efficiency with battery life and just a better Internet Experience on a mobile device. Who would have guessed back in 2007 Windows would be running on ARM in 2012 and Microsoft would be in the hardware business with Surface and Nokia would be running Windows on its flagship smartphone? Who would have guessed that Blackberry would be in decline? Who would have guessed that Android would be where it is today?

You have to praise Sinofsky for the decisions he made, even if it irked some divisions within the company. Windows 7 greatly brought back Microsoft and the Windows brand credibility. I would say Steven and his team was caught between a rock and hard place and had to make some key decisions to really make this work within a reasonable amount of time. Yes, some divisions got left behind, especially Office which I personally was expecting to be a pure Tablet release.

These are the things that pre-occupied Microsoft in 2007 to 2009
- Fixing Vista
- iPhone
- Google Search
- Getting Windows to run decently on Netbooks
- Getting back credibility
- Getting people off Windows XP

Even if the ODMs had a decent Tablet form factor in 2009 to run Windows 7, the fact is, Windows 7 would just not be a great experience. What probably would have been great is even the Start Screen was available then to push on Tablet devices.

Sometimes I say, imagine if all of what MS launch now Windows 8, Windows Phone 8 were available 5 years ago?

Stop you right here...

Sinofsky didn't gain control of Windows until 2009, when Windows 7 was essentially finished, and he stopped the 'touch' UI and device side of Windows 7. He ripped out the touch pack, the projects for the touch overlay and App store. Windows 7 already had fully built in the Vista and PixelSense(Surface then) driver technologies, which is why it already supported multi-user and 50 simultaneous input points.

Just altering the Metrics of Windows and using the TabletPC adapted features would have been enough for a good touch experience with Windows 7. (He could of allowed them to include an Aero-Touch Theme that increased button and control sizes, and turned on the Explorer touch features at the VERY LEAST.)

Microsoft 2007 to 2009 was focused on their new Bing transition from MSN, and the new API sets that were combining technologies and getting the server side technologies, and cloud technologies in place. This includes the Live group and software that was streamlined to the complete redevelopment and rebuilding of their server technologies to run on Windows NT Azure with server side support for the client technologies.

(Windows 7 was to have the Windows 8 roaming features, but to get it out the door, they didn't wait on the server side features and pushed them to Windows 8. They also wanted to fix the public perception of Vista, which everyone now knows, was bad drivers at launch, and Windows by the time they hit Q4 of 2007, Vista was smoother and faster than XP with a whole new set of technologies that Windows 7 spring boarded off. Windows 7 has significant kernel changes, but the fundamental stacks, frameworks or driver models are revisions of the new technology in Vista. The biggest changes in Windows 7 driver technologies was the Touch and Multi-Point/Multi-User backend support, and Sinofsky was the idiot that didn't think these were important to even release what they had ALREADY DONE. Go look at UMPC or PixelSense v1 when it was called Surface, there was a lot of work sitting at Microsoft that was to be at the User level of Windows 7 that he killed, even making the TouchPack an OEM and touch Driver check install, as it was promised to OEMs so he had to let them finish it.

Sinofsky was the one that killed off TabletPC in Office and HATED the technology and HATED touch. Microsoft's biggest problem was Gates wanting to get out and letting Ballmer make 'tech' decisions by listening to the wrong people. There is the Gates way and Ballmer way, and Sinofsky was a Ballmer guy that screwed Microsoft time and time again.

thenetavenger said,

Stop you right here...

Sinofsky didn't gain control of Windows until 2009, when Windows 7 was essentially finished, and he stopped the 'touch' UI and device side of Windows 7. He ripped out the touch pack, the projects for the touch overlay and App store. Windows 7 already had fully built in the Vista and PixelSense(Surface then) driver technologies, which is why it already supported multi-user and 50 simultaneous input points.

Just altering the Metrics of Windows and using the TabletPC adapted features would have been enough for a good touch experience with Windows 7. (He could of allowed them to include an Aero-Touch Theme that increased button and control sizes, and turned on the Explorer touch features at the VERY LEAST.)

Microsoft 2007 to 2009 was focused on their new Bing transition from MSN, and the new API sets that were combining technologies and getting the server side technologies, and cloud technologies in place. This includes the Live group and software that was streamlined to the complete redevelopment and rebuilding of their server technologies to run on Windows NT Azure with server side support for the client technologies.

(Windows 7 was to have the Windows 8 roaming features, but to get it out the door, they didn't wait on the server side features and pushed them to Windows 8. They also wanted to fix the public perception of Vista, which everyone now knows, was bad drivers at launch, and Windows by the time they hit Q4 of 2007, Vista was smoother and faster than XP with a whole new set of technologies that Windows 7 spring boarded off. Windows 7 has significant kernel changes, but the fundamental stacks, frameworks or driver models are revisions of the new technology in Vista. The biggest changes in Windows 7 driver technologies was the Touch and Multi-Point/Multi-User backend support, and Sinofsky was the idiot that didn't think these were important to even release what they had ALREADY DONE. Go look at UMPC or PixelSense v1 when it was called Surface, there was a lot of work sitting at Microsoft that was to be at the User level of Windows 7 that he killed, even making the TouchPack an OEM and touch Driver check install, as it was promised to OEMs so he had to let them finish it.

Sinofsky was the one that killed off TabletPC in Office and HATED the technology and HATED touch. Microsoft's biggest problem was Gates wanting to get out and letting Ballmer make 'tech' decisions by listening to the wrong people. There is the Gates way and Ballmer way, and Sinofsky was a Ballmer guy that screwed Microsoft time and time again.

Why do you keep claiming someone 'hated' a technology? Someone must have good reason to be hating something, do you claim to know the reason as well? NUI in various forms have been a focus at Microsoft. If he hated touch UI so much by your logic there would never be Windows 8.

lonesomeroad said,

Why do you keep claiming someone 'hated' a technology? Someone must have good reason to be hating something, do you claim to know the reason as well? NUI in various forms have been a focus at Microsoft. If he hated touch UI so much by your logic there would never be Windows 8.

Lonesomeroad, I'm glad you said something.

No offense to thenetavenger, but much of what you are saying is opinion claiming to fact with a huge smack of displeasure for the man. For example, when you talk about Sinofsky taking over Windows 7 when it was essentially finished, and not giving any credit to him, you are saying the exactly the opposite of what every tech journalist has said. Two journalists that cover Microsoft to a great degree (Paul Thurrott and Mary Jo Foley) both have given credit to Sinofsky for Windows 7 while railing on him for many other issues. They don't like Sinosfsky by any means, in fact Mary Jo really dislikes him, but they said that Sinofsky was the man who righted the ship with Windows.

So my thoughts then go to why do you call him an idiot? Do you have some skin in the game? Are you a disgruntled Microsoft employee? If you have some sort of inside info, then you need to be a journalist and not just a commenter on Neowin.

With regard specifically to touch and Windows 7, I personal don't care if they had 50 points of input and blah blah blah. Turning Windows 7 into a touch device with some sort of new skin is a terrible idea. That's my opinion, not fact. Microsoft needed to create a new product to compete with Apple's new product for tablets, it's that simple. Now I can understand an argument on maybe turning the Windows phone 7 OS into a tablet and leaving Windows 8 as more of just a desktop OS. That makes sense from those who have made that point. Continuing down the path of tabletfying Windows 7, however, is the same nonsense Microsoft has been pushing since 2000 which led to Apple beating them in the tablet space.

Maybe Sinofsky was a terrible manager and ruffled too many feathers, but I do think he had it right killing off a Windows 7 tablet.

DRock said,

Lonesomeroad, I'm glad you said something.

No offense to thenetavenger, but much of what you are saying is opinion claiming to fact with a huge smack of displeasure for the man. For example, when you talk about Sinofsky taking over Windows 7 when it was essentially finished, and not giving any credit to him, you are saying the exactly the opposite of what every tech journalist has said. Two journalists that cover Microsoft to a great degree (Paul Thurrott and Mary Jo Foley) both have given credit to Sinofsky for Windows 7 while railing on him for many other issues. They don't like Sinosfsky by any means, in fact Mary Jo really dislikes him, but they said that Sinofsky was the man who righted the ship with Windows.

So my thoughts then go to why do you call him an idiot? Do you have some skin in the game? Are you a disgruntled Microsoft employee? If you have some sort of inside info, then you need to be a journalist and not just a commenter on Neowin.

With regard specifically to touch and Windows 7, I personal don't care if they had 50 points of input and blah blah blah. Turning Windows 7 into a touch device with some sort of new skin is a terrible idea. That's my opinion, not fact. Microsoft needed to create a new product to compete with Apple's new product for tablets, it's that simple. Now I can understand an argument on maybe turning the Windows phone 7 OS into a tablet and leaving Windows 8 as more of just a desktop OS. That makes sense from those who have made that point. Continuing down the path of tabletfying Windows 7, however, is the same nonsense Microsoft has been pushing since 2000 which led to Apple beating them in the tablet space.

Maybe Sinofsky was a terrible manager and ruffled too many feathers, but I do think he had it right killing off a Windows 7 tablet.

No offence but you are being short sighted about the Windows 7 "touch tech".

It was supposed to support the same type of programs what Surface 1 & 2 did (PixelSense). Go check out some videos. Some of the apps make Metro apps look like a joke.

This is more about the direction MS could have gone with their tech and their timing.

FunkyMike said,

No offence but you are being short sighted about the Windows 7 "touch tech".

It was supposed to support the same type of programs what Surface 1 & 2 did (PixelSense). Go check out some videos. Some of the apps make Metro apps look like a joke.

This is more about the direction MS could have gone with their tech and their timing.

those systems were too power hungry. I used surfaces at PDC and portable things they were not. I got the SDK and it was a joke. yes you could use it on touch screens of the time but the machine ran so hot and the power demands were so great that not even with todays hardware could you do it.

Some time ago at work we had an acer convertible with win7 and multitouch screen compatible with a stylus
It was more than usable, but not comparable to an os born for a tablet

I don't see a problem with that decision. Just because hardware would have been ready doesn't mean it would have been feasible to implement proper touch software to go along with it under the same time constraints they had (remember getting it released on time was a big issue with the Vista perception problem, too). It would have been a mess just like later Windows 7 tablets were.

Anthony Tosie said,
I don't see a problem with that decision. Just because hardware would have been ready doesn't mean it would have been feasible to implement proper touch software to go along with it under the same time constraints they had (remember getting it released on time was a big issue with the Vista perception problem, too). It would have been a mess just like later Windows 7 tablets were.

The base technologies were implemented and solid in Windows 7, all it needed was even a 'Theme' for touch that changed the existing metrics of buttons and controls to work for touch users.

Let alone the work that was already done from WPF/.NET to create an App and Touch environment he chucked down a tube.

thenetavenger said,

The base technologies were implemented and solid in Windows 7, all it needed was even a 'Theme' for touch that changed the existing metrics of buttons and controls to work for touch users.

Let alone the work that was already done from WPF/.NET to create an App and Touch environment he chucked down a tube.

Implementing touch requires a lot more than getting the driver and UI elements in there. Windows 8 has a lot of certification process around the touch elements from hardware stack down to the driver, that dictates power, precision, sensitivity, response time, etc.

I don't think it is fair to say someone 'killed' off WPF. There were two similar technologies at, Silverlight and WPF that runs a similar stack of technology, XAML, .NET, DirectX, etc. It was merely merged to streamline the experience.

thenetavenger said,

The base technologies were implemented and solid in Windows 7, all it needed was even a 'Theme' for touch that changed the existing metrics of buttons and controls to work for touch users.

Let alone the work that was already done from WPF/.NET to create an App and Touch environment he chucked down a tube.

nah, window 7 is a performance hog. the bloated OS would required a 3lb tablet and have 2hr battery life at best. and cost 1200 bucks as an entry level...oh wait, that is the aweful Samsung series windows 7 tablet!!!

AWilliams87 said,
Windows7 tablet would have sucked.

they were around and they were so bad, ran so hot, and were so heavy that they were a joke.


Sources tell us that Sinofsky refused to add support for it in Windows 7.

Add support for it? There is nothing to add. Microsoft doesn't make special versions of Windows for individual OEMs.

In fact, most of the Windows team was entirely unaware of Surface. They didn't want to treat the Surface team any differently from any other OEM.

I've been using Tablet PC since Window XP Tablet Edition and personally comparing previous editions with Windows 8, it's like the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Seriously, a stylus is absolutely necessary to properly interact with previous Windows versions.

Seketh said,
I've been using Tablet PC since Window XP Tablet Edition and personally comparing previous editions with Windows 8, it's like the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Seriously, a stylus is absolutely necessary to properly interact with previous Windows versions.

Kind of ironic, back then you had to use a stylus because MS didn't have a tablet specific OS. Now we got the tablet specific OS on the desktop instead. But I don't think using fingers on my desktop monitor will work.

Buio said,

Kind of ironic, back then you had to use a stylus because MS didn't have a tablet specific OS. Now we got the tablet specific OS on the desktop instead. But I don't think using fingers on my desktop monitor will work.

Considering that windows 8 and even RT have a desktop, no, you're not quite right.
You can completely ignore metro apps on your desktop PC if you want to.

Buio said,

Kind of ironic, back then you had to use a stylus because MS didn't have a tablet specific OS. Now we got the tablet specific OS on the desktop instead. But I don't think using fingers on my desktop monitor will work.

Back then it was a 'touch' and 'stylus' based OS.

Test this...

What OS supports 50 points of touch, and data associated with each of those 50 points of input, including image, pressure, angle, etc? Windows 7

Go find the videos on Microsoft PixelSense (originally Surface) The touch technologies were built into the driver framework of Vista and Windows 7, and Windows 7 was GOING TO be a TOUCH OS until that IDIOT took over the project.

We had clients that worked with Microsoft before Windows 7 was destroyed by Sinofsky that were gearing up for massive touch screen deployments that they had to kill.

(Which is technically has more touch technology than any other OS. Sinofsky was the idiot that kept these from being used more in the OS.)

Sinofsky is also the idiot that killed off WPF/.NET as well, because he DIDN'T GET IT. (There were NYT and Bettycrocker Apps for WPF that make Windows 8 and iOS look like DOS.)

thenetavenger said,

Back then it was a 'touch' and 'stylus' based OS.

Test this...

What OS supports 50 points of touch, and data associated with each of those 50 points of input, including image, pressure, angle, etc? Windows 7

Go find the videos on Microsoft PixelSense (originally Surface) The touch technologies were built into the driver framework of Vista and Windows 7, and Windows 7 was GOING TO be a TOUCH OS until that IDIOT took over the project.

We had clients that worked with Microsoft before Windows 7 was destroyed by Sinofsky that were gearing up for massive touch screen deployments that they had to kill.

(Which is technically has more touch technology than any other OS. Sinofsky was the idiot that kept these from being used more in the OS.)

Sinofsky is also the idiot that killed off WPF/.NET as well, because he DIDN'T GET IT. (There were NYT and Bettycrocker Apps for WPF that make Windows 8 and iOS look like DOS.)

Windows 7, for how good it is, is a horrible touch OS. Sinofsky was right to kill it off. My money is, you'll see those projects appear in Metro in some form or other down the line.

Dot Matrix said,

Windows 7, for how good it is, is a horrible touch OS. Sinofsky was right to kill it off. My money is, you'll see those projects appear in Metro in some form or other down the line.

You're missing the point...there are things that weren't released for 7 that were specifically for touch. I can't comment much more than that.

Shane Nokes said,

You're missing the point...there are things that weren't released for 7 that were specifically for touch. I can't comment much more than that.

Like... apps? Built in UX features...? What?

The buying public shot Windows 7 tablets down faster than you can blink an eye. They were slow, hot to the touch, had zero apps, and couldn't beat the iPad in terms of battery power. Windows 7 just isn't for touch. I know, I own one.

Dot Matrix said,

Like... apps? Built in UX features...? What?

The buying public shot Windows 7 tablets down faster than you can blink an eye. They were slow, hot to the touch, had zero apps, and couldn't beat the iPad in terms of battery power. Windows 7 just isn't for touch. I know, I own one.

You did notice where I said that I can't comment right?

There were quite a few things planned for 7 and even completed that just never saw the light of day.

thenetavenger said,

Sinofsky is also the idiot that killed off WPF/.NET as well, because he DIDN'T GET IT. (There were NYT and Bettycrocker Apps for WPF that make Windows 8 and iOS look like DOS.)

@thenetavenger

Do you see MS doing anything special for Pixelsense (Surface 3)?
I really do hope that they continue developing for it since it seemed ideal for certain tasks.

How do you think they will proceed? Metro obviously won't fit in its current form.

Seketh said,
I've been using Tablet PC since Window XP Tablet Edition and personally comparing previous editions with Windows 8, it's like the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Seriously, a stylus is absolutely necessary to properly interact with previous Windows versions.

YES! windows 7 on a tablet was like going to the dentist. full of pain and regret...

thenetavenger said,

Back then it was a 'touch' and 'stylus' based OS.

Test this...

What OS supports 50 points of touch, and data associated with each of those 50 points of input, including image, pressure, angle, etc? Windows 7

Go find the videos on Microsoft PixelSense (originally Surface) The touch technologies were built into the driver framework of Vista and Windows 7, and Windows 7 was GOING TO be a TOUCH OS until that IDIOT took over the project.

We had clients that worked with Microsoft before Windows 7 was destroyed by Sinofsky that were gearing up for massive touch screen deployments that they had to kill.

(Which is technically has more touch technology than any other OS. Sinofsky was the idiot that kept these from being used more in the OS.)

Sinofsky is also the idiot that killed off WPF/.NET as well, because he DIDN'T GET IT. (There were NYT and Bettycrocker Apps for WPF that make Windows 8 and iOS look like DOS.)

FALSE. WPF remains the only way to make desktop apps, which remain by far the #1 platform in the world. so much for killed wpf lol. what an ignorant comment you made.

neonspark said,

FALSE. WPF remains the only way to make desktop apps, which remain by far the #1 platform in the world. so much for killed wpf lol. what an ignorant comment you made.

All the WPF apps I have used were slow, and kludgy.

neonspark said,

FALSE. WPF remains the only way to make desktop apps, which remain by far the #1 platform in the world. so much for killed wpf lol. what an ignorant comment you made.

Actually, that's false. You can still use WinForms. Hell, you can still use VB6 to write desktop apps for Windows 8. The deprecation of Silverlight gave many development teams pause, and many of those teams likely decided to ignore WPF out of fear that Microsoft would just abandon it too (my team did exactly that). Microsoft has a long history of introducing new technologies just to deprecate them a year later in favor of the new shiny (e.g. LINQ to SQL, followed by EF, followed by EF2, etc.).

It's amazing how once he was being proclaimed as one of the greatest tech-visionary, and now this.

FMH said,
It's amazing how once he was being proclaimed as one of the greatest tech-visionary, and now this.

More ironic: He was out-visioned by a dead man.

FMH said,
It's amazing how once he was being proclaimed as one of the greatest tech-visionary, and now this.

I wonder what he "envisioned", as Windows is Windows since the early 80's?

He was an old manager, that's all.

FMH said,
It's amazing how once he was being proclaimed as one of the greatest tech-visionary, and now this.

Not at all. History is malleable and Microsoft has a very effective PR machine. They're not going to paint him as the hero of the Windows brand, as that would make his departure look like a big loss.

theyarecomingforyou said,

Not at all. History is malleable and Microsoft has a very effective PR machine. They're not going to paint him as the hero of the Windows brand, as that would make his departure look like a big loss.


If all the in-fighting is true, it's no loss...

FMH said,
It's amazing how once he was being proclaimed as one of the greatest tech-visionary, and now this.

Being in a lot of 'Microsoft' circles and accused of being a 'fan', I haven't seen anyone that was serious ever credit him as a tech-visionary.

He was a developer that started his Microsoft career by releasing a horrid cross platform version of Office that was buggy, and required a lot of work to fix the product.

He later killed TabletPC support in Office 2003, ****ing off a lot of corporate customers that had TabletPC deployment plans, and hurting Microsoft.

He then stepped INTO Windows 7 after it was essentially 'finished', but in time to kill off the Tablet and Touch features and push with OEM partners. Remember when HP was showcasing the Slate long before the iPad existed?

Sinofsky is the idiot that killed off all the things that were designed to make Windows 7 far more touch and tablet friendly. Windows 7 ALREADY had added in the Touch Driver API set that Windows 8 uses, which has a multitude of input technologies that were used by virtually NO OEMs because of this IDIOT. (Windows 7 supports 50 points of input, size, pressure, image, tilt, angle, and other attributes for each of these 50 points - this is how the PixelSense can SEE and respond to things on the screen, and is an inherent driver feature of Windows 7.) Even the PixelSense(Then Surface) touch addon pack was dropped and only available through OEMs and did a 'touch screen driver' check before it would install on Windows 7, because HE IS AN IDIOT!

And on and on... If anyone has been a fan of some of the technologies to come out of Microsoft, you will find them hating this fool with 1,000 hot white pokers.

He destroyed a generation of Windows, from killing TabletPC support to killing it again in Windows 7.

Windows 7 can be configured through UI metrics and the Vista carry over features to function A LOT like and iPad, with large touchable UI elements, and single tap Explorer folders, and Sinofsky killed this from being packaged or presented. Even the Touch All in One HP and other PC lines were crippled by Sinofsky keeping them from putting in default UI settings for Window Metrics to make things touchable.


Holy, no he never ever freaking was batman...

thenetavenger said,

Holy, no he never ever freaking was batman...

THANK GOD SOMEONE THAT KNOWS WHAT IS TALKING ABOUT.

Not some poser with useless arguments. Good riddance.

b_roca said,
Can I blame him for killing off Media Center too!?
(Even though he claimed to love and use it himself)

Microsoft is going to regret killing off Media Center one day.

If they had any sense, they'd be working feverishly right now to port the code to Xbox 720.

FMH said,
It's amazing how once he was being proclaimed as one of the greatest tech-visionary, and now this.

given how horrible windows 7 tablets sold and were, he still a visionary. window 7 was an epic failure from every touch device unfortunate enough to run it.

Well, he had a fan base going for him, after what he did for Office and Windows. People were calling him the next CEO of Microsoft, and a man with a vision.
So many people were sure that he was going to be the next MSFT CEO.

And you can't deny his stardom. Not after the onslaught of news we are getting on him.

FMH said,
Well, he had a fan base going for him, after what he did for Office and Windows. People were calling him the next CEO of Microsoft, and a man with a vision.
So many people were sure that he was going to be the next MSFT CEO.

And you can't deny his stardom. Not after the onslaught of news we are getting on him.

1. Windows 8 is a big launch
2. Microsoft is one of the biggest and most traditional companies on the tech world
3. He left right after Win8 launch
4. Everything is news these days.

All of this does not make of him a Star. Actually nobody ever talked about him until recently. He's only an idiot and an inspiration for windows fanboys with no better things to do.

Luis Mazza said,

1. Windows 8 is a big launch
2. Microsoft is one of the biggest and most traditional companies on the tech world
3. He left right after Win8 launch
4. Everything is news these days.

All of this does not make of him a Star. Actually nobody ever talked about him until recently. He's only an idiot and an inspiration for windows fanboys with no better things to do.

Actually he's a "tech-household" name.

If not, the headline above should've been: "Did ex-Windows Boss kill W7 tablet design?"