Ed Bott and MG Siegler are both freaking out about Windows 8's sales (in different ways)


Windows 8's sales have made for some entertaining comments.

When Microsoft announced it has sold 40 million Windows 8 licenses, it elicited a strong reaction from technology journalists across the Internet. Two of the journalists who had some of those strong reactions are Ed Bott and MG Sigler.

Do you know who Ed Bott and MG Siegler are? No? Well allow me to give you some background.

Ed Bott is a journalist who typically loves Microsoft products. Also, there was once a show called “BattleBotts,” where his clones would fight to the death. MG Siegler, conversely, is a journalist who typically hates Microsoft products. An interesting fact about him is that he legally changed his name when he was 21 so it’d sound more like a villain’s name from a World War II-themed movie.

Anyway, as you can imagine, they have some different views on Microsoft’s Windows 8 sales. Bott, for instance, was quick to point out a unique statistic regarding Windows 8’s sales in comparison to its leading competitor.

While that statistic is accurate, it’s somewhat irrelevant now that Apple’s bread-and-butter business is mobile devices. It may be entertaining to compare Microsoft to Apple in terms of operating system market share, but it hardly paints a picture of where Apple is in the industry. I doubt they’re overly concerned about Microsoft’s continuing PC sales dominance.

Siegler took a different view regarding the sales, however.

According to his implication, Microsoft is misleading consumers and the media by not saying how it’s counting licenses.

Siegler expanded on that view on his blog, putting the sales figure in quotes and focusing on the fact that we don’t know how Microsoft is counting the figure.

While he’s also accurate in saying we don’t know the exact way the statistics are being counted, his comments are irrelevant as well. Why? Because Microsoft’s already said Windows 8 is – at minimum – on pace to sell an equivalent amount to Windows 7, although it’s more likely it’ll outsell the company’s previous operating system.

That’s pretty good in a market where worldwide PC shipments are slowing (and they’re expected to drop this year – for the first time in more than a decade). Probably not amazing, but it’s certainly not the "shitshow" Siegler was predicting.

We’re eagerly awaiting Bott and Siegler’s impending confrontation, given their history

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Even worse than the statistic about equalling half the installed base of all Macs, it took Apple more than 30 years to reach 40 million users. It took Windows 8 30 days.

"While that statistic is accurate, it's somewhat irrelevant now that Apple's bread-and-butter business is mobile devices. It may be entertaining to compare Microsoft to Apple in terms of operating system market share, but it hardly paints a picture of where Apple is in the industry. I doubt they're overly concerned about Microsoft's continuing PC sales dominance."

that's not necessarily true that they're not concerned. at every mac event, they trot out a slide showing how their mac sales has gone up a 1000% in the last year, while pc's only 1%.
yes, mobile hardware is where they're heading to, and is making up a great % of their income, but we can't dismiss their whole laptop division so early.

wookietv said,
"While that statistic is accurate, it's somewhat irrelevant now that Apple's bread-and-butter business is mobile devices. It may be entertaining to compare Microsoft to Apple in terms of operating system market share, but it hardly paints a picture of where Apple is in the industry. I doubt they're overly concerned about Microsoft's continuing PC sales dominance."

that's not necessarily true that they're not concerned. at every mac event, they trot out a slide showing how their mac sales has gone up a 1000% in the last year, while pc's only 1%.
yes, mobile hardware is where they're heading to, and is making up a great % of their income, but we can't dismiss their whole laptop division so early.


I'm not dismissing it, I'm merely saying Apple probably isn't too concerned with Microsoft's Windows 8 sales. They're not going to give up on OS X by any means -- they make pretty good profits on their hardware -- but it's not their primary focus.

It helps set up their corporate image, though, and they're doing a good job carving a spot in the market for themselves, especially among younger audiences, such as college students. But the overall sales of Windows 8 probably isn't of much concern to them -- at least not yet.

wookietv said,

that's not necessarily true that they're not concerned. at every mac event, they trot out a slide showing how their mac sales has gone up a 1000% in the last year, while pc's only 1%.
yes, mobile hardware is where they're heading to, and is making up a great % of their income, but we can't dismiss their whole laptop division so early.

Actually, that number is not true. At one of the conferences this year they said that there are 30 million Macs in use, the tweet was wrong.

Wrong previsions and now they're trying to change arguments insulting Microsoft... they also failed bothering with the new start menu and obviously they have to talk trash about windows 8 in some way... fail people.

MG Siegler gives mac users a bad reputation! I'm not sure how that guy became a journalist. Gruber isn't as bad as him, but Siegler has made a joke out of serious mac users who actually do use the platform for actual work, development, and design. I use both the OS X/Win 8 platforms and I'm not blind as Siegler to know strengths/weaknesses on both platforms. Honestly, there used to be a time when Apple was not in the news mainstream. With the rise of the iPhone, we've also gotten an increase of hundreds of crappy blogs regurgitating the same Apple news every single day. If any minute stupid detail happens involving Apple products, these blogs make a huge deal about it. Windows isn't going anywhere. You see all those electrical/refinery/chemical plants, they all run on windows based workstations and servers controlling everything. I really like OS X, but stupid bloggers like Siegler are one of the reasons why Android and Windows users detest mac/iphone users a lot.

szo said,
MG Siegler gives mac users a bad reputation! I'm not sure how that guy became a journalist. Gruber isn't as bad as him, but Siegler has made a joke out of serious mac users who actually do use the platform for actual work, development, and design. I use both the OS X/Win 8 platforms and I'm not blind as Siegler to know strengths/weaknesses on both platforms. Honestly, there used to be a time when Apple was not in the news mainstream. With the rise of the iPhone, we've also gotten an increase of hundreds of crappy blogs regurgitating the same Apple news every single day. If any minute stupid detail happens involving Apple products, these blogs make a huge deal about it. Windows isn't going anywhere. You see all those electrical/refinery/chemical plants, they all run on windows based workstations and servers controlling everything. I really like OS X, but stupid bloggers like Siegler are one of the reasons why Android and Windows users detest mac/iphone users a lot.

Siegler is the most successful troll on the internet. Unfortunately, trolls get a lot of attention and pageviews and advertising income. A fair journalist would never cause such a stir. No surprises that he works for a major website, then.

Subhadip said,

Siegler is the most successful troll on the internet. Unfortunately, trolls get a lot of attention and pageviews and advertising income. A fair journalist would never cause such a stir. No surprises that he works for a major website, then.

"Don't feed the troll."

The more attention you pay him, the more money he makes.

If you click through to his articles, then it'll indirectly translate into advertising revenue. If you ignore him, then he makes no money off you.

Simon- said,

It's been a nightmare just over 3 PCs. It has literally been a nightmare: I had a dream that Windows 8 had gained broad acceptance, and I walked into an unmanaged organisation as an IT technician where every 2nd user decided to have Windows 8 on their PCs.

if I walked into a unmanaged org as an it tech and it was more than 10 pcs I would turn around and walk out, unless they wanted to pay me a huge amount of cash up front and probably other things as well, on second thought I would still probably walk out

Microsoft have never announced what type of licenses they've sold. I don't see why it matters now just because some crappy journalist doesn't want an OS to sell well.

What ever happened to journalists being impartial?

Wakers said,
[. . .]
What ever happened to journalists being impartial?

Journalists shouldn't have to be impartial in their personal lives or on their personal social media accounts. They only have to be impartial and unbiased in the work they produce, unless they're writing an editorial.

Calum said,

Journalists shouldn't have to be impartial in their personal lives or on their personal social media accounts. They only have to be impartial and unbiased in the work they produce, unless they're writing an editorial.

Apple cheerleader extraordinaire MG Siegler is anything but impartial. On that note, he's anything but a "journalist".

saposmak said,

Apple cheerleader extraordinaire MG Siegler is anything but impartial. On that note, he's anything but a "journalist".


I understand that. I wasn't saying he isn't impartial. I was replying to the part of the user's comment that I quoted. It seems as if his comment was talking about how the journalists are using Twitter, considering that's what this article is about.

I did an installation of 3 Windows 8 PCs. it was a nightmare, I used "Microsoft Account" option for user profiles, I was able to create 2 Microsoft Accounts before I got IP blocked for 24 hours from creating a 3rd (had to do it the next day). The Windows Mail doesn't allow you to add Gmail without first adding a Microsoft Account (even on a local profile), and it keeps losing the server settings/account name or password. The icons on the start screen don't sync across multiple PCs even though they have the same apps installed.

It's been a nightmare just over 3 PCs. It has literally been a nightmare: I had a dream that Windows 8 had gained broad acceptance, and I walked into an unmanaged organisation as an IT technician where every 2nd user decided to have Windows 8 on their PCs.

Simon- said,
I did an installation of 3 Windows 8 PCs. it was a nightmare, I used "Microsoft Account" option for user profiles, I was able to create 2 Microsoft Accounts before I got IP blocked for 24 hours from creating a 3rd (had to do it the next day). The Windows Mail doesn't allow you to add Gmail without first adding a Microsoft Account (even on a local profile), and it keeps losing the server settings/account name or password. The icons on the start screen don't sync across multiple PCs even though they have the same apps installed.

It's been a nightmare just over 3 PCs. It has literally been a nightmare: I had a dream that Windows 8 had gained broad acceptance, and I walked into an unmanaged organisation as an IT technician where every 2nd user decided to have Windows 8 on their PCs.

I did an install of 15 Windows 8 PCs last week it was a dream. It just worked seamlessly as it should.

See what I did there? Just putting your woe in perspective on our statistically insignificant experiences.

TogoP said,

I did an install of 15 Windows 8 PCs last week it was a dream. It just worked seamlessly as it should.

See what I did there? Just putting your woe in perspective on our statistically insignificant experiences.


Please tell me what you did differently. Did you use Microsoft Accounts? Domain? Something else? Did you have to configure the PCs start screen or just leave them blank for the user to figure out? (all my start screens were blank of any installed apps by default). Are you using the built in Mail application?

Simon- said,

Please tell me what you did differently. Did you use Microsoft Accounts? Domain? Something else? Did you have to configure the PCs start screen or just leave them blank for the user to figure out? (all my start screens were blank of any installed apps by default). Are you using the built in Mail application?

I had no trouble either and for my installs i used MS accounts. And i use the Mail app and haven't had any trouble, but i don't set up individual email accounts in Mail. Instead my outlook.com email is set up to send and receive emails from all my other accounts including Gmail, so all my emails are in one place.

Well for a start pc sales were up 1.2% for the first quarter 2012 so not sure where the decline comes from. http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1981717

Also US pc sales were 15.5 million for Q1 so divided by 3 that's just over 5 million pcs. If Microsoft only just managed to "sell" 4 million licences then they are not doing as good a job as their suggested dominance. Indeed gets worse if you go by world sales of 88 million which monthly is 29 million.

Depicus said,
Well for a start pc sales were up 1.2% for the first quarter 2012 so not sure where the decline comes from. http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1981717

Also US pc sales were 15.5 million for Q1 so divided by 3 that's just over 5 million pcs. If Microsoft only just managed to "sell" 4 million licences then they are not doing as good a job as their suggested dominance. Indeed gets worse if you go by world sales of 88 million which monthly is 29 million.


Regarding decline: http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/1...hipments-decline/index.html

Depicus said,

I think the key word there is "forecast" so they may not decline but even if they were down 10% that is still 26 million.


Which is why I wrote "expected to"

Wait, Microsoft never said that 9 billion people had bought Windows 8?

Edited: Don't circumvent the word filter. -Intrinsica

Edited by Nick H., Nov 29 2012, 10:31am :

ingramator said,
Wait, Microsoft never said that 9 billion people had bought Windows 8?

I really really really hope that was a joke

Edited by Nick H., Nov 29 2012, 10:42am :

ingramator said,
Wait, Microsoft never said that 9 billion people had bought Windows 8?

Edited: Don't circumvent the word filter. -Intrinsica


The man was being sarcastic since there are not even 9 billion people in the world. He was trying to say that we are so stupid that we believe everything MS says and not realize the numbers. What an A$$...

I never paid much attention to MG. I always though that TechCrunch should have started a comedy section and filed his blog posts there.