Egypt gets ready to ban online porn

For many, online pornography is just another handy (*giggle*) convenience offered by the web. For some, porn is celebrated as a driving force in the development of web technologies and online economies. For others, however, pornography is viewed as a destructive force in society, one that has had a negative effect on individuals, families and even communities.

Authorities in Egypt appear to be positioning themselves firmly in the latter category; The Next Web cites a report from domestic news source Egypt Independent, claiming that the country’s Ministry of Telecommunications and Information Technology is now taking its first steps towards a nationwide ban on internet porn. Mohamed Salem, Minister for Telecoms and IT, recently announced the formation of a committee which will assess and report on the practicalities of implementing such a ban.

Last month, Dr Younis Makhioun, a member of parliament from Egypt’s conservative Al-Nour party, introduced the idea of a blanket ban on all internet porn. Created in the wake of last year’s political revolution, which culminated in the ousting of then-President Hosni Mubarak, Al-Nour follows strict Islamist ideologies, governed by adherence to Sharia law. Dr Makhioun underlined the need for Egyptians to follow these religiously enshrined edicts, expressing his belief that pornography has eroded the morality of the country’s youth, and undermined family values, resulting in an increase in divorce and rape.

Minister Salem voiced similar concerns, stating that the issue of online pornography “is becoming persistent and worrying to families”, while the country’s Parliamentary Committee for Transportation and Telecommunications called for sites offering such content to be blocked, demanding legislation that would see internet service providers punished for failing to adequately suppress content deemed inappropriate.

The role of Sharia law in the nation’s future has been a hot topic in Egypt recently. Only yesterday, a group of liberal MPs walked out of a parliamentary vote, accusing conservative Islamist parties of attempting to assume control of a panel creating Egypt’s new constitution. While BBC News reported that these conservative MPs have tried to calm concerns that they seek to impose strict Sharia laws on the country, proposals such as the one to ban online porn appear to contradict these claims.

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Good decision for a good society. Go ahead. Porn shouldn't have gotten onto Internet in the first place. Porn businesses and websites should be strictly illegal for every person on Earth.

Mazhar said,
Good decision for a good society. Go ahead. Porn shouldn't have gotten onto Internet in the first place. Porn businesses and websites should be strictly illegal for every person on Earth.

Not sure if serious or trolling....

yowanvista said,

So according to you those laws based on stone-age medieval ideologies should have banned porn earlier?

Wasn't murder illegal back then too? Using that in your argument opens up so many bad ideas. If that is the only thing you can come up with, you have a weak argument.

shadodemon said,
They wont let their own women get naked but yet they go online ours to do that. What a bunch of oxymorons and hypocrites.

lol

what will happen ? people will use tor or freenet, and instead of watching porn randomly, it will become a forbidden treasure, and they will discover child porn on tor, freenet etc.
its really bizzare how those people think.

Why are you talking about freedom when another country introduces these kind of measures?
Are you forgetting SOPA? MegaUpload? The fact that western countries are considering disconnecting the internet? US programmes to monitor all Internet activity?

Religion ruins everything..... EVERYTHING!! This is the reason half the arab nations fight each other all over holy lands blah blah blah. This is the reason idiots in the US mindlessly throw all that money into a pot each sunday to build a church 40x bigger, nicer and more awesome to go to than their own homes. Wake up people!!!

sava700 said,
Religion ruins everything..... EVERYTHING!! This is the reason half the arab nations fight each other all over holy lands blah blah blah. This is the reason idiots in the US mindlessly throw all that money into a pot each sunday to build a church 40x bigger, nicer and more awesome to go to than their own homes. Wake up people!!!

And this generalization is any better at all? See you have no idea what you're talking about. Arab nations would fight without religion. Religion is just one of many reasons used to fight other people. It's a very common reason, and it's a very effective reason, but it's still just one reason of many.

Money given to churches does a lot more than make the church nicer. Money given to a church goes into the upkeep costs of the church, pays for the preacher because while I'm sure that a lot of them would do what they do for free they do in fact have needs as well, and often conveniently left out of ill informed statements like yours a lot of the money goes towards charities and community outreach programs.

I'm 100% against the stupidity and bigotry spewed by people like Santorum and Perry, but conversely I'm also against ignorance perpetrated by the other end of the spectrum. I've said it before and I'll say it again, when you make a blanket statement about an entire group of people you're just as bad, if not worse than, the religious zealots that you vehemently oppose.

It also has nothing to do with the topic at hand. The topic at hand is Egypt banning internet porn.

sava700 said,
Religion ruins everything..... EVERYTHING!! This is the reason half the arab nations fight each other all over holy lands blah blah blah. This is the reason idiots in the US mindlessly throw all that money into a pot each sunday to build a church 40x bigger, nicer and more awesome to go to than their own homes. Wake up people!!!

Too true, think of all the wars and violence that have been/are in the name of religion, pathetic.

sava700 said,
Religion ruins everything..... EVERYTHING

Your right, I would much have preferred some hardcore communist ideology where I would have been jailed or murdered for my beliefs. At least I would not have religion.

proxies, DNS redirects, encryption, VPNs, tunneling.. this is only going to drive up the price of the bootleg DVDs over here! only those who can use these internet services will get them, and then they will charge more for them on the corners. Damn governement!

Guys i don't get it, what a nation is getting from porn ?! this is not extremist behaviour at all, you should respect the conservative values of most of the families in Egypt.
and believe it, if they do want porn, they will get out and protest to get it back

Ahmad Fayez said,
Guys i don't get it, what a nation is getting from porn ?! this is not extremist behaviour at all, you should respect the conservative values of most of the families in Egypt.
and believe it, if they do want porn, they will get out and protest to get it back

The problem with any kind of ban on internet websites is that it sometimes get out of control, those who mark any website as inappropriate or not usually mistakenly block a lot of websites with no valid reason. For example in Saudi Arabia AFAIR imageshack was blocked (or still?) which is just beyond silly.

Ahmad Fayez said,
Guys i don't get it, what a nation is getting from porn ?! this is not extremist behaviour at all, you should respect the conservative values of most of the families in Egypt.
and believe it, if they do want porn, they will get out and protest to get it back

Here is a better idea - how about those conservative families stop looking at porn then they wouldn't have a problem. Isn't it funny how those who protest against porn the loudest seem to be people who have no measure of self control?

Ahmad Fayez said,
Guys i don't get it, what a nation is getting from porn ?! this is not extremist behaviour at all, you should respect the conservative values of most of the families in Egypt.
and believe it, if they do want porn, they will get out and protest to get it back

What nation is getting from porn is more peceful young males population, less crime and violence and happier male-female relationship.

... RELIGION has eroded the morality of the country's youth, and undermined family values, resulting in an increase in divorce and rape.

...fixed that, because Quran is worse than hardcore porn where you can have slaves, offer your daughters to rapists and be paedophile by having sex with under-age girls (Muhammad had sex with Aisha when she was a 9 year old):

Quran 33:50 We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war.

Quran 4:24 And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you.

You don't have to be modest around your wives or your slave girls:
23:5 And who guard their modesty - 23:6 Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy,

Lot offers his daughters to a mob of rapists:
11:78 And his people came unto him, running towards him - and before then they used to commit abominations - He said: O my people! Here are my daughters! They are purer for you.

EJocys said,

...fixed that, because Quran is worse than hardcore porn where you can have slaves, offer your daughters to rapists and be paedophile by having sex with under-age girls (Muhammad had sex with Aisha when she was a 9 year old):

Quran 33:50 We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war.

Quran 4:24 And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you.

You don't have to be modest around your wives or your slave girls:
23:5 And who guard their modesty - 23:6 Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy,

Lot offers his daughters to a mob of rapists:
11:78 And his people came unto him, running towards him - and before then they used to commit abominations - He said: O my people! Here are my daughters! They are purer for you.

What the hell did I just read? Simply Mindflucked!!

Hope that's not true
If at all this is true, we will find plenty of defenders here on Neowin.

Funny thing is all the street porn CD vendors here in Mumbai are Muslims. Some kinda monopoly. Also ironic if Islam prohibits any kind of pornography.

sanke1 said,

What the hell did I just read? Simply Mindflucked!!

Hope that's not true
If at all this is true, we will find plenty of defenders here on Neowin.

Funny thing is all the street porn CD vendors here in Mumbai are Muslims. Some kinda monopoly. Also ironic if Islam prohibits any kind of pornography.

Random internet guy says so...so it must be true!

V9s said,

Random internet guy says so...so it must be true!

So what you are saying, because he's a random internet guy, it must be wrong?

Righttt.....

nonick said,

So what you are saying, because he's a random internet guy, it must be wrong?

Righttt.....

Not necessarily but when it comes to quoting religious texts people often quote them out of context so that they better illustrate their point and further their agenda. Pretty much exactly what zealots do, but in reverse, and equally stupid.

Amarok said,
Not necessarily but when it comes to quoting religious texts people often quote them out of context

If someone murders your slave, then you get to kill one of his:
Quran 2:178 O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female...

Yeah, I bet that in "proper" context it would look like they are talking about gifts, flowers and pink unicorns. /s I would say that "murder and slavery" is "murder and slavery", doesn't matter which context you put them in.

Amarok said,

Not necessarily but when it comes to quoting religious texts people often quote them out of context so that they better illustrate their point and further their agenda. Pretty much exactly what zealots do, but in reverse, and equally stupid.

Exactly.

EJocys said,

...fixed that, because Quran is worse than hardcore porn where you can have slaves, offer your daughters to rapists and be paedophile by having sex with under-age girls (Muhammad had sex with Aisha when she was a 9 year old):

Quran 33:50 We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war.

Quran 4:24 And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you.

You don't have to be modest around your wives or your slave girls:
23:5 And who guard their modesty - 23:6 Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy,

Lot offers his daughters to a mob of rapists:
11:78 And his people came unto him, running towards him - and before then they used to commit abominations - He said: O my people! Here are my daughters! They are purer for you.

LOL...you guys actually never finished the sentences when you refer from Al-Quran and don't read the explanation from Hadith....

Here's an example....

**Is it compulsory to take Wife's permission for Second Marriage?

**Islam says: NO.

WHY? Because in some extreme conditions you may need to/should marry woman to save her. A good example is - In India Hindu men burnt alive widow women (Shoti-daho pratha) before British people came here..Thanks to them. Now as a muslim man you can marry her and save her life without asking your first wife.

BUT WAIT! Still you have some problems...In Islam hurting someone's feeling is FORBIDDEN (Haram)....so you can't hurt your first wife's feelings (and your children's).

So what should you do in these kind of situation?

Well, Islam says Human being is the most intelligence creation, so take the best decision according to the situation.
And don't forget - "Each person is responsible for his or her own actions."

EJocys said,

If someone murders your slave, then you get to kill one of his:
Quran 2:178 O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female...

Yeah, I bet that in "proper" context it would look like they are talking about gifts, flowers and pink unicorns. /s I would say that "murder and slavery" is "murder and slavery", doesn't matter which context you put them in.

OH! YOU COULDN'T UNDERSTAND the actual meaning as it is in very old English...anyway I tried to write it in simple English

Allah says: Believers, in case of murder, the death penalty is the approved (sanctioned) revenge/punishment (retaliation): a free man for a free man, a slave for a slave, and a female for a female.
----which means if you kill some one, Islamic law orders to send you to death penalty.---

However, if the convicted person receives pardon from the aggrieved party, prescribed rules of compensation must be followed accordingly.

----Which means Victim's family can forgive you-----
This is a merciful alteration* from Allah.

*Whoever transgresses against it will face a painful punishment. (Which means if victim's family forgives you, local law/police can't send you to death penalty.

WELL, I hope this makes sense. And in future don't just copy paste from another site without understanding it completely.

tuneslover said,
----which means if you kill some one, Islamic law orders to send you to death penalty.---

It says: "free man for a free man, a slave for a slave, and a female for a female." and not "free man for a slave" or "death penalty for a female murder". Learn to understand meaning of sentences first and stop putting words where they don't exist.

I've understood, if missing context was prefix like "...and Satan said:". But these sentences ends or begins with something like "It is a decree of Allah for you." or "you'll have a painful doom if you don't follow these rules.

tuneslover said,
And in future don't just copy paste from another site without understanding it completely.

I guess by "understanding" you mean: "read some cruel inhumane text and present it to others as rainbows shooting out of the ass" . Thank you, but you can keep your pink glasses.

P.S.: This reminded me episode with Cartman from South Park:
"Jewish Kid: Is anyone else having problems concentrating on this? I just can't seem to concentrate.
Cartman: Maybe we should send you to a concentration camp."
I guess some Nazis also took out of the context some ideas of their leaders who only wanted for some people to have a nice place to concentrate. /s

How am I not shocked that the country is going backwards and not forward. Stupid people who wanted Moubarak gone didn't think things through. You got what you deserved in the end, instead of a democracy you got ideology and will go backwards with Sharia law. Only good thing about Sharia law it takes dangerous women drivers off the road heh.

gnuman said,
How am I not shocked that the country is going backwards and not forward. Stupid people who wanted Moubarak gone didn't think things through. You got what you deserved in the end, instead of a democracy you got ideology and will go backwards with Sharia law. Only good thing about Sharia law it takes dangerous women drivers off the road heh.

So you mean watching porn is "Going Forward"? Get a real girl man.

gnuman said,
How am I not shocked that the country is going backwards and not forward. Stupid people who wanted Moubarak gone didn't think things through. You got what you deserved in the end, instead of a democracy you got ideology and will go backwards with Sharia law. Only good thing about Sharia law it takes dangerous women drivers off the road heh.

So watching porn is going forward *facepalm*

iamwasiq said,

So watching porn is going forward *facepalm*

Not specifically, but being free to do so is.

Removing someone's freedom based on its perceived morality helps no one. Even if it truly is immoral, does preventing an immoral person from making an immoral action make that person any more moral?

If one is inclined to view sexual acts online, would that same person also not be inclined to imagine sexual acts in his mind? How is one more harmful than the other?

Guys, this has nothing to with extreme Islamists, this is about all extremists.

If the Extremists got their ways in the US (i.e. Santorum), they would't do anything different.

See, it's people like you who habitually undermine significance of the soliitariety of Islamic extremism in relation to other radicalisms around the world who concern me due to your obvious politically-correct crap.

True, Santorum is an extremist; however, just because he's an extremist that doesn't make THIS ISSUE anything more than an issue dealing only with Islamists. Regardless of the plurality of this ideology among religions, the motives are different: one is out of personal interest, while the other is in strict interpretation of perceived justifiable holy law. Try objectively analyzing the differences of the two, next time around...

AtriusNY said,
Guys, this has nothing to with extreme Islamists, this is about all extremists.

What is an "extremist?" Someone who believes what they say they do? If a Muslim reads the Quran and tries to follow it, it cannot be classified as extremism. If someone calls themselves *insert whatever* and then shows no motivation for said ideology they would be hypocrites.

So there are no "extremists." There are those that are honest about their beliefs (evil or not), and those that live hypocritically.

Very Goooood and greaaaaaaaaat decision if applied, really we didn't gain any thing from porn except destruction of most of the families and conservative values among youth and even married people, THIS IS TOTALLY VERY GOOOOD AND GREAT, needs to be applied very quickly to make EGYPT rise again, very great

Abo_Omar said,
Very Goooood and greaaaaaaaaat decision if applied, really we didn't gain any thing from porn except destruction of most of the families and conservative values among youth and even married people, THIS IS TOTALLY VERY GOOOOD AND GREAT, needs to be applied very quickly to make EGYPT rise again, very great

Thank god I don't live in your country. Believing in something is fine as long as you don't force it down my throat, and then it's NOT FINE.

Abo_Omar said,
Very Goooood and greaaaaaaaaat decision if applied, really we didn't gain any thing from porn except destruction of most of the families and conservative values among youth and even married people, THIS IS TOTALLY VERY GOOOOD AND GREAT, needs to be applied very quickly to make EGYPT rise again, very great

This is perfect actually. Now they need to stop home made porn with hidden camera.

Uuumm ... as long as it went through a democratic process, I'm not sure where is the problem. That's like saying that states/countries who prohibit carrying guns, or having more than one husband/wife or any other law whose adoption isn't unanimous is medieval. Should I remind you that Egyptians voted en masse for an Islamic government ? Maybe they're happy with this ?

Again, what's important here is not the law itself but the democratic process. As long as it's the people's will I see nothing wrong with it.

DrunkenBeard said,
Uuumm ... as long as it went through a democratic process, I'm not sure where is the problem. That's like saying that states/countries who prohibit carrying guns, or having more than one husband/wife or any other law whose adoption isn't unanimous is medieval. Should I remind you that Egyptians voted en masse for an Islamic government ? Maybe they're happy with this ?

Again, what's important here is not the law itself but the democratic process. As long as it's the people's will I see nothing wrong with it.

Some people have a bias against anything that seems to be religious in nature. Like you I don't have any problem with it as long as some form of democratic process was involved. Where I start having problems is with things like "Well under this law if you're practicing this other religion or none at all we can kill you." - But I'm hardly ready to get all upset because Egypt wants to ban internet porn. But then I suppose we're on a tech site so people here love the porn.

DrunkenBeard said,
Uuumm ... as long as it went through a democratic process, I'm not sure where is the problem. That's like saying that states/countries who prohibit carrying guns, or having more than one husband/wife or any other law whose adoption isn't unanimous is medieval. Should I remind you that Egyptians voted en masse for an Islamic government ? Maybe they're happy with this ?

Again, what's important here is not the law itself but the democratic process. As long as it's the people's will I see nothing wrong with it.

tell me how you consider a country with 80% illiteracy voting for their parliament representatives (which they know nothing about their views or plans) a democratic process?! You wanna know how the voting went?! well Islamic activists were using mosques to tell the people which candidate to vote for and if they didn't they would be against GOD's will and will go to hell -.- do you call this democracy?! I call it BS!

DrunkenBeard said,
Uuumm ... as long as it went through a democratic process, I'm not sure where is the problem. That's like saying that states/countries who prohibit carrying guns, or having more than one husband/wife or any other law whose adoption isn't unanimous is medieval. Should I remind you that Egyptians voted en masse for an Islamic government ? Maybe they're happy with this ?

Again, what's important here is not the law itself but the democratic process. As long as it's the people's will I see nothing wrong with it.

So if they "democratically" voted to exterminate all non-muslims in deathcamps, you'd be okay with that?

I'm sorry, but this concept of "democracy" as an excuse for regimes to impose their views/ideals upon people simply by means of popular vote is disgusting.

I can understand when it's something that can have a very real immediate physical impact on others, like possesion of drugs/firearms, but pornography? It's a very small step to also banning homosexuality, removing the rights of women and persecuting those possessing no or another religion?

Not saying this a bad thing but you don't have to look far from home to see ridiculous laws and ideas in the USA and other countries round the world. You can say they are medieval or whatever but don't forgot many places are just as backwards and scary in your back yard.

Nutters is all you can say, I'm sick when I think about Religion becoming law/influencing life's of people that aren't even followers.

Nothing a vpn, some decent blackout blinds and a strong door lock won't take care of, they'll still be able to wa*k like an Egyptian till their hearts are content.

iamwasiq said,

Fixed: Countries with still some moral people left!

If you asked virtually anyone who works in the porn industry they'd probably say they love their job.

i guess they'll just have to go old school with dvd/cd's and returning to the age old way of getting laid with a real woman to see boobies again

Ahmed Nefzaoui said,
For the record : Al-Nour is an Islamist ideology not a 'strict' Islamist ideology

lol, "not strict" . EVERYTHING in islam is strict. I lived my whole damn life in an islamic country, so I know.

Ahmed Nefzaoui said,
For the record : Al-Nour is an Islamist ideology not a 'strict' Islamist ideology

Then it is clear you are ignorant of their platform. They ran an election campaign on their strict Salafi interpretation of Islam, they never hid what their intentions were and Egyptians on mass voted for the two parties (Al-Nour and Justice and Peace) which are Islamist ideologically in origin - Justice and Peace being just a slightly more watered down version of Al-Nour. Anyone who thought that progress would come to the middle east should be eating a generous serving of humble pie with some humiliation cream with a 'told you so' cherry on top.

eddman said,

lol, "not strict" . EVERYTHING in islam is strict. I lived my whole damn life in an islamic country, so I know.

And I am currently living in an Islamic country and trust me it's not "strict" but it's more conservative

Ahmed Nefzaoui said,

And I am currently living in an Islamic country and trust me it's not "strict" but it's more conservative

are you high?! I live in the so called "Egypt" and yes they are "STRICT" and they're trying to force their stupid believes on everyone living here -.-

TheJudge said,

are you high?! I live in the so called "Egypt" and yes they are "STRICT" and they're trying to force their stupid believes on everyone living here -.-


how exactly they are 'forcing' their 'stupid' beliefs on you? care to explain?

iamwasiq said,

how exactly they are 'forcing' their 'stupid' beliefs on you? care to explain?

well i'll just quote 'Athernar' to respond to you cause his answer couldn't be more to the point.

Athernar said,

So if they "democratically" voted to exterminate all non-muslims in deathcamps, you'd be okay with that?

I'm sorry, but this concept of "democracy" as an excuse for regimes to impose their views/ideals upon people simply by means of popular vote is disgusting.

I can understand when it's something that can have a very real immediate physical impact on others, like possesion of drugs/firearms, but pornography? It's a very small step to also banning homosexuality, removing the rights of women and persecuting those possessing no or another religion?

They are using the fact that only around 10% of the country are well educated enough to realize that they are "full of it", to mislead the majority of the people to believe that they are the word of God on earth and that anyone or any idea opposing them is against God's will; and using all of that to force their believes upon the people of Egypt who can't fully comprehend the true meaning of democracy till now. unfortunately

Pornography has no negative affect on families, and it doesn't incite rape (perhaps certain types of pornography incite rape, but not pornography as a whole). These MPs need to be educated.

Callum said,
Pornography has no negative affect on families, and it doesn't incite rape (perhaps certain types of pornography incite rape, but not pornography as a whole). These MPs need to be educated.

Its not a political decision its a religious decision....

sam232 said,

Its not a political decision its a religious decision....


This makes it not better. And Egypt is not Muslims only. They do exactly the same mistake... suppression of minorities.

thekim said,

This makes it not better.

Wasn't saying that at all. Islam is a totalitarian ideology with heavy religious overtones. In Islam there is no discussion on any rules or feedback, any rule MUST be obeyed without fail. If this was a political decision then you could at least water it down a lot.

thekim said,

This makes it not better. And Egypt is not Muslims only. They do exactly the same mistake... suppression of minorities.

Yeah, why not just invite them to the UK where we don't give a damn about our culture as we bow down and help other peoples.
I mean, look where we are right now!

Mr Spoon said,

Yeah, why not just invite them to the UK where we don't give a damn about our culture as we bow down and help other peoples.
I mean, look where we are right now!

The continued 'strength of the UK' over several centuries is due to its 'non static' culture - its not a new thing for big culture shift... it always has been changing.

I really don't know what "UK culture" is... not could I claim where each bit comes from. Very little is certainly inherent in the land we call the UK and much has been shaped by the world around.

Simply excluding all other culture would freeze 'UK culture' in present time... which is not the culture of the UK.

The question is what cultures and values should be developed or incorporated?

Mr Spoon said,

Yeah, why not just invite them to the US where we don't give a damn about our culture as we bow down and help other peoples.
I mean, look where we are right now!

Fixed that for you

sam232 said,

Its not a political decision its a religious decision....


I understand that, but my comment still stands. They need to be educated.

Callum said,
Pornography has no negative affect on families, and it doesn't incite rape (perhaps certain types of pornography incite rape, but not pornography as a whole). These MPs need to be educated.

Egypt is a Muslim country and therefore it has to comply with Islamic laws i-e to ban all immoral stuff..

sam232 said,

Wasn't saying that at all. Islam is a totalitarian ideology with heavy religious overtones. In Islam there is no discussion on any rules or feedback, any rule MUST be obeyed without fail. If this was a political decision then you could at least water it down a lot.


None of that is in any way unique to Islam.

lt8480 said,

The continued 'strength of the UK' over several centuries is due to its 'non static' culture - its not a new thing for big culture shift... it always has been changing.

There is a difference between introducing positive new cultures and totalitarian strict ones which limit freedoms (as is often the case with Sharia law).

Joshie said,

None of that is in any way unique to Islam.

No, but many religions are better. The USA began as a mostly Christian country, and it had more freedoms than many Islamic countries now (freedom of religion mostly, and more freedom for women although that wasn't perfect). Some Christians may be against gays obtaining the legal status of marriage and letting women kill fetuses, but that is a far cry from how some former Muslims who convert to another religion are killed (or from how Christians are arrested).

iamwasiq said,

Egypt is a Muslim country and therefore it has to comply with Islamic laws i-e to ban all immoral stuff..

It doesn't have to. It will do so, but it doesn't have to. They could stop following Islam and stop enforcing such laws, but they won't. I was merely pointing out that they should, in my opinion

LaserWraith said,

No, but many religions are better. The USA began as a mostly Christian country, and it had more freedoms than many Islamic countries now (freedom of religion mostly, and more freedom for women although that wasn't perfect). Some Christians may be against gays obtaining the legal status of marriage and letting women kill fetuses, but that is a far cry from how some former Muslims who convert to another religion are killed (or from how Christians are arrested).


Step back and look at your own words. First you compare religions, then you immediately try to back up your comparison with a story of how particular cultures exercise them.

That doesn't work. It's religion to religion, or culture to culture, you can't mix that up. Religion to religion, they're all written exactly the way the above poster criticized Islam for being written, and that's what my post was about.

XerXis said,
I bet the young egyptians love what they have started last year ...

they love it so much they have to start all over again this year
viva le revolutión!