Epic: No regrets over Microsoft partnership

In an unsurprising response to Michael Pachter's claims on Friday that Epic now regrets its partnership with Microsoft, Epic Games vice-president Mark Rein has stated that they have no regrets over their deal with Microsoft.

Writing in the comments of VG247, Rein said "Michael is wrong. We have a great relationship with Microsoft and we have no regrets." He also went on to deny claims by another commenter including one stating that "even Microsoft fought to keep the now infamous chainsaw melee out of the game."

While Pachter's comments on Friday were only his opinion, it is also no surprise that Epic would deny his claims - regardless of whether Epic does or doesn't feel that multi-platform games are the future.

Meanwhile, the controversial analyst has been given his own show on GameTrailers dubbed "Pach-Attack!"

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cabron said,
The PS3 and Wii consoles are pretty populars, I don't think they can make money with the 360 and PC markets only.

Why can't they? It's not a question of making money, only a question of how much do you want to make. If a EPIC title costs say, $20m to make, and sells well and makes $200m on the 360 alone, that's alot of money made right there. Another $100m or so on the PC maybe? You don't need to target every platform in the hopes of making a profit, you only do so in the hopes of making double.

Look at the sales for MW2, The 360 version flat out smoked the PS3 version in terms of sales. It's hardly ever even 50/50 split between 2 versions of the same game. One will always sell a bit better on one system compared to the other. The only question is, will it be 60/40 or 80/20? And If the sales are heavy on one system vs the other, then in the end the sales on the 2nd are like a bonus to you, but not the thing that made or broke your profit prospect.

i dont see the problem , at the time they didnt regreted the deal , they got some nice income , but due to the popularity of the games , they could had done more income if there wasnt any exclusivity

beside 1 is the Vice President the other isnt related to Epic Games.

The thing with exclusivity is that its just a major income at start , ( you get the money at front ) but ofc that if you do well and see the money flow you will start wondering if it was a nice deal or not , cos well you could be doing 4x more if there wasnt any exclusivity

As long as they still do for PC i'm Ok

Akaruz said,
i dont see the problem , at the time they didnt regreted the deal , they got some nice income , but due to the popularity of the games , they could had done more income if there wasnt any exclusivity

beside 1 is the Vice President the other isnt related to Epic Games.

The thing with exclusivity is that its just a major income at start , ( you get the money at front ) but ofc that if you do well and see the money flow you will start wondering if it was a nice deal or not , cos well you could be doing 4x more if there wasnt any exclusivity

As long as they still do for PC i'm Ok

At that point it's just your greed taking over. IF the game is exclusive and sells very good, and you make loads of profits PLUS the exclusivity money you got at the start, how is that a bad deal?

Exclusives with 3rd partys will ALWAYS be around. The majority of 3rd party studios are small, not everyone is like EA or Activision where they can fund some brand new IP that will take 2-3 years to make at best and could be a bust. It's not just about making the game, you also have to market it as well. Doing a exclusive deal means a dev has their ass covered if the game flops. That's why, as I said at the start, we'll always have them, and not just from 1st party in-house studios.

Akaruz said,
The thing with exclusivity is that its just a major income at star
Well more than just income it provides some level of security. GoW was a bit of a departure really back when it was released due to its third person gameplay and cover mechanics in a market dominated by FPS. Even things such as not being able to jump seemed foreign. It was always possible gamers wouldn't have accepted the concept.

By going exclusive they also took on MS's rather hefty marketing backing which surely helped GoW sell a lot of copes.

Edited by Smigit, Jan 25 2010, 4:47pm :

I'm pretty sure Epic had a say into how much video memory would be in Xbox360 adn GoW was going to be the showcase title. I'm sure any company wishes in retrospect that they could make more money via x,y,z means... but isn't that just obvious.

Way to try and stir the pot Pachter.

majg said,
I'm pretty sure Epic had a say into how much video memory would be in Xbox360 adn GoW was going to be the showcase title. I'm sure any company wishes in retrospect that they could make more money via x,y,z means... but isn't that just obvious.

Way to try and stir the pot Pachter.

if they did, RROD_Box would have more memory, just look how pathetic GoW looks on RROD_Box compared to PC. Ammount of texture memory makes a huge difference.

nekrosoft13 said,

if they did, RROD_Box would have more memory, just look how pathetic GoW looks on RROD_Box compared to PC. Ammount of texture memory makes a huge difference.

RROD_box, how creative. Do you own a YLOD_Station by any chance?

Edited by George P, Jan 25 2010, 5:05pm :

nekrosoft13 said,

if they did, RROD_Box would have more memory, just look how pathetic GoW looks on RROD_Box compared to PC. Ammount of texture memory makes a huge difference.

They did have a say. It was going to have half the RAM it does now.

I hate exclusivity in general. That includes Cell Phone exclusivity, video game exclusivity, etc. I know that it protects profits, but it damages the customer in the end from not being able to experience certain things.

(hopes for Gears of War on PS3)

216 said,
I hate exclusivity in general. That includes Cell Phone exclusivity, video game exclusivity, etc. I know that it protects profits, but it damages the customer in the end from not being able to experience certain things.

(hopes for Gears of War on PS3)

That's part of the reason you buy x system in the first place. If every game was on every system, pc, 360, ps3, then why have 3 systems in the first place? How do you even have competition if not for exclusive games/content and features?

You see how your idea doesn't actually work with any real type of business model here?

GP007 said,

That's part of the reason you buy x system in the first place. If every game was on every system, pc, 360, ps3, then why have 3 systems in the first place? How do you even have competition if not for exclusive games/content and features?

You see how your idea doesn't actually work with any real type of business model here?


But but but...the controllers are different! /sarcasm

GP007 said,

That's part of the reason you buy x system in the first place. If every game was on every system, pc, 360, ps3, then why have 3 systems in the first place? How do you even have competition if not for exclusive games/content and features?

You see how your idea doesn't actually work with any real type of business model here?

You said it yourself: features.

The quality of the service as a whole, the quality of the online servers, hardware performance and realiability...

You know, kinda like with TVs, cars, speakers, fridges, laptops, amps, bikes... there are loads of brands to choose from, and your reasons to do so have nothing to do with any kind of "exclusive content".

patcher have more credibility than mark rein.... after the whole UE3 on iphone thing and his troll actitude against nintendo and the wii i just dont believes more in his lies

eilegz said,
patcher have more credibility than mark rein.... after the whole UE3 on iphone thing and his troll actitude against nintendo and the wii i just dont believes more in his lies

I don't believe a single word comming from any Epic employee

The only time I think a game should be exclusive is if the developer simply does not want to program for the other console (pc, MAC) I do not think that Money should be involved in this decision. Unless the game is specifically sanctioned by said platform.

Since this involves Epic, I'm more inclined to believe the VP of Epic than a video game analyst. In any case, I'd love to see Gears of War 2 on the PC. I doubt it would happen though.

Anaron said,
Since this involves Epic, I'm more inclined to believe the VP of Epic than a video game analyst. In any case, I'd love to see Gears of War 2 on the PC. I doubt it would happen though.

I'd like to see that too, as gears(and any fps in general) is just painful to play on a gamepad. But unfortunately gears 2 on the pc is pretty much unlikely. Though I'd wager it's more likely gears 2 will hit the pc before epic manages to redeem the ut series..

Anaron said,
Since this involves Epic, I'm more inclined to believe the VP of Epic than a video game analyst. In any case, I'd love to see Gears of War 2 on the PC. I doubt it would happen though.
After the complete crap fest that GoW1 was on PC I could care less about seeing the sequel on PC as well.

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