EU wants to monitor your searches

Privacy concerns are always a hot topic when it comes to the Internet and your government.  If you live in the EU, your privacy is about to be imposed upon further if the EU gets its way.  If Declartion 29 gets passed it will give the EU authority to monitor your searches to help stem child pornography.

According to Slashdot, “the substance of the declaration is to extend the EU data retention directive to search engines, so that all searches done on for example Google will be monitored”.  If passed, all search data will be monitored and reviewed in hopes of stopping child pornography.  While the intention is not unreasonable, the idea of retaining search data could lead to detrimental results if the information were leaked.

Unlike Google, who tracks your behavior anonymously, Declaration 29 would allow authorities to track back search results to the user.  While tracking for child pornography is good, what will the discretion level be for other potential illegal activities?  If the Police find this as a plausible means to arrest criminals, will searches for other illegal activities now be reviewed or will the EU implement filtering like China?

When a government acquires information from private firms who are only looking for illegal activities but not investigating them, users are facing an invasion of privacy.  If you are concerned about this invasion, it is recommended that you e-mail to the MEPs for your country and explain your concern. 
 

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Is child porn really this bad of a problem? Why dont we ban baby making instead? No child porn would ever happen again.

It seems like to be the continual excuses for internet filtering. And the truth of the matter is, bad as people who view and collect child porn are, psychologically most of them have no "interest" on such material (aka, they don't fap while watching it) but is more of the rebellious reason that they keep and is obsessed with it.

This just goes to show how much fail they are at tracking child porn if they had to eat into privacy. But like I said, child porn is probably not the reason this idea is floated up.

They should make the companies themselves report traces of child pornography (with systems that are available today), instead of having a government powerhouse monitoring everything we do.

amon91 said,
They should make the companies themselves report traces of child pornography (with systems that are available today), instead of having a government powerhouse monitoring everything we do.

So instead of having he government powerhouse monitoring everything we do, the government powerhouse should force companies to monitor everything we do and then report back to government? How is that better?

Oh, and there's a name for your idea:

fas·cism[ fá shìzzəm ]NOUN
1. dictatorial movement: any movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism

How disgusting pedophilia is, it's still not the mainstay of the average joe's staple diet of internet use. Paraphilia is still a quit rare phenomenon. So to install these kinds of rigorous restrictions of our freedom for something which is a rarity boggles the mind.
Paraphilia is a rare disorder, and the best criteria for diagnosis come from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR)1 or the International Statistical Classification of Diseases, 10th Revision (ICD-10)2 . The disorder is characterized by a 6-month period of recurrent, intense, sexually arousing fantasies or sexual urges involving a specific act, depending on the paraphilia.
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/291419-overview

petrossa said,
How disgusting pedophilia is, it's still not the mainstay of the average joe's staple diet of internet use.

The odd thing is that in the US it's illegal to make *fake* materials - based largely on the same argument people use against violent video games. The argument with violent video games is that committing virual violent acts makes you more likely to do real violent acts (there is no substantial scienific evidence for this view).

It's the same invalid argument with *fake* porn - except the benefit is that no real children must be harmed. Seems like a preferable alternative to the market for the real stuff that governments are protecting.

petrossa said,
the best criteria for diagnosis come from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR)1 or the International Statistical Classification of Diseases, 10th Revision (ICD-10)2 . The disorder is characterized by a 6-month period of recurrent, intense, sexually arousing fantasies or sexual urges involving a specific act, depending on the paraphilia.
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/291419-overview

Interesting recent interview on Psychiatry in general: http://www.econtalk.org/archiv...010/05/menand_on_psych.html

Why can't they use real detective work to find pedophiles? My data should remain private. I cannot stand this. The hilarious thing is, UKIP and similar parties have done nothing but warn us all this would come, and we've just ignored it.

Right.. this is interesting.. so they choose to try take down the Pirate Bay... for being a portal to illegal content - and because you could search for copyrighted content, it was held responsible.

In the very same context, Google is providing the means to search for illegal content, or so it seems? So what happens here? They want the search data and associated user(s). Why is there a double standard? You only had to search google for ".torrent" to find what you were looking for.. This is just typical.

Mind you.. if you were the kind of sick twisted lowlife to want child pornography, you'd tend to be a little more careful about how you carry out your business - and so using anonymous proxies or various methods of hiding your tracks are so easily used to avert being tracked down UNLESS the proxy itself logs your tracks and so therefore the game is up! This is really not a solution.. it sounds more sinister than what it's leading us to believe, with a cover story which we'd only be only to glad to believe, but unfortunately there must be more and more ill advised people in power in the EU if this is genuinely a naive approach to stem Child Pornography.

afuchi said,
Welcome to Soviet Europa

It's fun to kid, and the member states are always dreaming up draconian infringements on liberties (the US states do this too) but it's hard to ignore some of the market-based reforms put in place, and their benefits. One of the reasons the volcano had such an impact on Europe is that it's so affordable to fly there compared to the US. Here's a nice article on he background: http://reason.com/archives/200.../fly-the-frugal-skies/print

The EU doesn't always lean Soviet - sometimes they get it right to the great benefit of society.

onTh said,
This invasion of privacy in EU has gone TO FAR!!!

Agreed if you strike "in EU". The abuse of liberties knows no bounds.

"Unlike Google, who tracks your behavior anonymously, Declaration 29 would allow authorities to track back search results to the user."

AFAIK google keeps long records of your IP and search string, and maybe more information besides (like what link you clicked? I don't know if they do this). By default they also keep a detailed record of basically all the information they can get about your habits if you have an account with them (this is opt-out, not opt-in).

The article makes it seem like google somehow respects privacy. Nothing could be further from the truth. They are probably the worst company in the world in that respect, closely followed by Facebook.

With regards to the EU's proposal, as always it is only the stupid criminals that are affected (though that may of course be a sizeable chunk of them). Using a VPN, or using one of the search engines that do not log any info (like startpage.com, or one in India I don't remember the name of) makes you immune.

DRavisher said,
With regards to the EU's proposal, as always it is only the stupid criminals that are affected (though that may of course be a sizeable chunk of them).

The problem is that the government (wherever you are) rather arbitrarily decides what constitutes a criminal act, and who to charge with it. So justifying it as applyig to "only criminals" is pretty shortsighted. Moreso when you start touting measures to achieve immunity when they haven't even finalized the mechanism (for example, if they require the search engines to do the dirty work for them).

To the government YOU are the stupid criminal - it's just a matter of whether or not they think you're ripe for prosecution.

I'm amazed nobody has said "You only hate this idea if you have something to hide!" (Google CEO, where are you?)

Of course, this proposal is exactly what's wrong with that viewpoint. What may constitute a legal search today might constitute a crime tomorrow. It's better to encrypt everything, then if the law changes you are safe.

Anyone who thinks they have nothing to hide hasn't read "Three Felonies a Day": http://www.threefeloniesaday.com/

What you have to hide is proportional to how badly the police want to arrest you.

Yes I was waiting for that as well. It blows me away how short-sited some people can be. Can you not see how this can be abused and before we know it we have no privacy left whatsoever? As bad as it has been getting this is really going in a bad direction. I have nothing to hide, but I still don't want what I do tracked.

Critical Error said,
Its time to switch to encrypted Google

How would this help if Google agrees to back-door you to the authorities? Sounds like a job for EFF Onion-skin Routing to me.

"it will give the EU authority to monitor your searches to help stem child pornography."

If child pornography can be found with common everyday search engines then authorities could just use those to find it and go after the providers. I fail to see how driving it further undergound will "stem child pornography".

Would it be easier to stop a terrorist trying to buy anti-aircraft rockets on eBay or in some secret hidden meeting?

They want to examine trends and research how child porn is accessed. I doubt that they will have access much more than the queries. Even so, everything has to be about child porn when it comes to introducing controversial legislation right?

If they do really care why the hell they are not forcing Thailand to stop their child porn business?

The answer is that it has nothing to do with CP, it's ALL about controlling people.

Gyussz said,
What's next? Censorship? Let's follow China's way?

That's exactly what's next. After people become used to the idea that censorship is ok 'it is good because it fights child porn yay' they will spread it to other areas. Probably illegal file sharing sites first and then who knows.

Once that is established they will work on the tchnicalities on making that censhorship harder to circumvent. I honestly don't think there's much that can be done about this at the moment, people don't give a crap about the freedom they have because they never had to fight for it, only their ancestors had to.

Only when the **** really hits the fan everyone will realize how suddenly they have became so monitored but it will be too late by then to get out of it easily.

Fortunately if this written declaration passes there will be no legal consequences, no laws will be passed. But it is a way for the EU to say it would be fine with it and any laws would be easier to approve under this precedent.

It's so funny they use child porn as a reason to do this. They just found a thing everyone is against, so they think that'll make everyone say "good idea!". If for some reason there wasn't a huge public taboo on child porn (hypothetically), they would just switch to something else.

In other words: They don't care donkeyballs about child porn, it's just a nice way of getting the crowd to support their filters.

RuuddieBoy said,
It's so funny they use child porn as a reason to do this. They just found a thing everyone is against, so they think that'll make everyone say "good idea!". If for some reason there wasn't a huge public taboo on child porn (hypothetically), they would just switch to something else.

In other words: They don't care donkeyballs about child porn, it's just a nice way of getting the crowd to support their filters.

Ya its the new "Terrorism"
Like US used it to do whatever they wanted using Terrorism as an excuse

AKLP said,

Ya its the new "Terrorism"
Like US used it to do whatever they wanted using Terrorism as an excuse

It's nice to see that libertarian sentiments seem to be in the majority among tech-site readers.

Here's the "Philosophy of Liberty" in 16 languages: http://www.isil.org/resources/...sophy-of-liberty-index.html

I think a lot of us have a grasp on the philosophy, but it's nice to see such a concrete representation to help illustrate the concepts.

AKLP said,

Ya its the new "Terrorism"
Like US used it to do whatever they wanted using Terrorism as an excuse

Yup.

Honest question though, would anyone be stupid enough to search Google for such things??

The most they'd get out of this in terms of leads would be a few pranksters/revenge pranks, some hacked PCs, loads of Tor nodes, and maybe one paedophile stupid enough.

I want to see all those dirty works the goverments do too.
I want all the dirty money they get their hands on written and send to me with RSS Feeds.
Can i haz it plx? =_=

NO? then you know my answer about this...

AKLP said,
I want to see all those dirty works the goverments do too.
I want all the dirty money they get their hands on written and send to me with RSS Feeds.
Can i haz it plx? =_=

NO? then you know my answer about this...

This.

AKLP said,
I want to see all those dirty works the goverments do too.
I want all the dirty money they get their hands on written and send to me with RSS Feeds.
Can i haz it plx? =_=

NO? then you know my answer about this...

+1000

They don't they put more pressure on search engines to remove all illegal websites from their listings, that would be much similar.

thealexweb said,
They don't they put more pressure on search engines to remove all illegal websites from their listings, that would be much similar.

That should say simpler not similar.

Tom Ferguson said,
In other news, UK population have nowhere to hide private information.
This kinda stuff is getting beyond a joke now.

Yeah, those cameras in bedrooms they put in are horrible....

neufuse said,

Yeah, those cameras in bedrooms they put in are horrible....

Give them time. They can't just jump straight to bedroom cameras.

TRC said,

Give them time. They can't just jump straight to bedroom cameras.

yeah someday it will be OMG they are having sex in an unallowed position! jail them!

neufuse said,

yeah someday it will be OMG they are having sex in an unallowed position! jail them!


+1. Omg that made me laugh

"he's doing the doggy, arrest him!"

when you want to pass a law to get something, you use the worst term you can find, and tie it to that law and say anyone that doesnt vote yes is in favor of that......

Stopping child pornography.... lol. As long there are clients, there will be content around somewhere. I think they are smart enough to know that and then they can't stop it completely. So it's logical that they using that as an excuse to have more control on people.

-Vivicidal- said,
It's so sad... and I used to think the EU was a good idea.

People tend to forget that EU is not some imaginary structure which came from nowhere. EU is made out of smaller countries and it could be that your local government proposed this plan. And your local government were voted into power by people who themselfs are control freaks.

This has gone too far.

What about if you are at school on Google, you walk away for a minute, a child comes along and types something in and searches it?
BANG. Jailed for Child Porn.

EgyptianDuck said,
This has gone too far.

What about if you are at school on Google, you walk away for a minute, a child comes along and types something in and searches it?
BANG. Jailed for Child Porn.


What?

They cant just charge you if all they have to go by is a search term, they will probably investigate you before they arrest you.

I dont know what to search for when looking for child porn nor would i do so but im betting its a bit harder than just typing child porn and clicking the first link on google.

EgyptianDuck said,
This has gone too far.

What about if you are at school on Google, you walk away for a minute, a child comes along and types something in and searches it?
BANG. Jailed for Child Porn.

No.

If they were monitoring that IP address, then they would question the people that were using that computer (thats even if you guys have seperate accounts), and from there they would probably invade your homes confiscate your computers and do a full house search.

Richard Hammond said,

they will probably investigate you before they arrest you.

Assuming authorities will "probably" behave is no basis for support of legislation.

“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.” - Patrick Henry

Of course, some Constitutions offer greater protections than others.

Neb Okla said,

Assuming authorities will "probably" behave is no basis for support of legislation.

“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.” - Patrick Henry

Of course, some Constitutions offer greater protections than others.

Agreed. Governments have a tendency of twisting good intentions into abuse of power and modern day witch hunts... It's gone too far...