European group wants to ban WiFi in schools for health reasons

Without a doubt, the advent of WiFi technology has allow the vast power of the Internet to be expanded in all parts of the world versus just having a PC connected to Ethernet cable. However we hear from time to time concerns that all of that wireless energy in the air could be harmful to people. There's been no evidence that there is any real health threat to the general public at all due to WiFi signals. However that isn't stopping a group in Europe from trying to do something rather drastic.

According to the RCRUnplugged.com web site, the Council of Europe have drafted up a paper that attempts to push its idea that WiFi and even cell phone signals are "more or less potentially harmful" to humans and other living creatures. They offer no real proof, saying that more scientific study of the issue is needed but added that, "waiting for high levels of scientific and clinical proof can lead to very high health and economic costs, as was the case in the past with asbestos, leaded petrol and tobacco." Yes, smoking a cigarette is as bad as a WiFi wave entering your body, according to this report.

The report recommends that rather drastic measures be taken to curtail this so-called health threat including (and this is a direct quote from the report) "Ban all mobile phones, DECT phones or WiFi or WLAN systems from classrooms and schools." Once again there's been no evidence at all than any of these technologies are harmful to anyone yet this group would like to see schools basically be closed off from the Internet completely. The group's Standing Committee is scheduled to meet to discuss this issue on Friday.

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Yes. Fantastic to find so many experts in the field in one place. And how fortunate we are that cancer isn't prevelant.

At least this wakos are not causing deaths like anti-vaccines and anti-condom looneys, cause for them evidence it's such an overrated concept.

Exactly. Has anyone considered how much radiation that people are exposed to from natural (as in non-artificial non-human-made) sources, including other persons, or even animals and plants? All life is a radiation source, somewhere along the EM spectrum; it is why the Kirlian effect exists. (Kirlian photography has been taken of organisms from people to single-celled orgasnisms, including plants; it would not even be possible unless the *subject* were itself a radiating source.)

Sylar2010 said,

Likewise whats next ban air?

Well you ARE more exposed to high frequency cosmic rays when you fly suposedly, because of the altitude. They're even higher frequency than gamma radiation!

While the smoke from burning tobacco DOES emit some alpha radiation similar to what a Wi-Fi signal would, there's a critical difference. The abovementioned smoke is in one's lungs radiating, which is mostly why it contributes to cancer. Unless you swallow a Wi-Fi emitting source, there's no direct comparison.

Alpha radiation is easily blocked by matter, even something as flimsy as a piece of paper.

One might imagine the surface layer of cells could POSSIBLY receive enough of a dose over time to be a problem, but they'd be sloughed off and/or replaced by new cells long before that would be an issue.

krasch said,
While the smoke from burning tobacco DOES emit some alpha radiation similar to what a Wi-Fi signal would, there's a critical difference. The abovementioned smoke is in one's lungs radiating, which is mostly why it contributes to cancer. Unless you swallow a Wi-Fi emitting source, there's no direct comparison.

Alpha radiation is easily blocked by matter, even something as flimsy as a piece of paper.

One might imagine the surface layer of cells could POSSIBLY receive enough of a dose over time to be a problem, but they'd be sloughed off and/or replaced by new cells long before that would be an issue.

Microwave radiation and alpha radiation are VERY different. MW radiation from MW ovens and WiFi/BT are EME radiation at approximately 2.4 GHz. Alpha radiation is the emission of an HE+ nucleus.... Two TOTALLY different things with different methods of interraction with cellular entities.

Regression_88 said,

Microwave radiation and alpha radiation are VERY different. MW radiation from MW ovens and WiFi/BT are EME radiation at approximately 2.4 GHz. Alpha radiation is the emission of an HE+ nucleus.... Two TOTALLY different things with different methods of interraction with cellular entities.

It should also be noted that MW radiation is non ionizing. It is in the warming spectrum, but the levels put out by a WiFi router or device is insufficient to cook any macroscopic living creature

Sraf said,

It should also be noted that MW radiation is non ionizing. It is in the warming spectrum, but the levels put out by a WiFi router or device is insufficient to cook any macroscopic living creature

Yep, hence why it's called MICRO-wave.

Sraf said,
It should also be noted that MW radiation is non ionizing. It is in the warming spectrum, but the levels put out by a WiFi router or device is insufficient to cook any macroscopic living creature

Astra.Xtreme said,
Yep, hence why it's called MICRO-wave.
Memnochxx said,

...no

It's called Microwave because of the lengths of the waves which, dependent on frequency range from approximately 1 meter to 1 millimeter; freq's from 300MHz to 300GHz. Various frequencies within that range can be either ionizing (adds enough energy to strip electrons from molecules) or non-ionizing (doesn't add enough energy to strip electrons). 2.4GHz is a non-ionizing band but can impart energy into molecules, particularly water (H20) thus increasing molecular vibration which in turn influences friction and thus adds heat to the system.

FWIW, it's often said that microwave ovens cook from the inside out but it's been proven that food stuffs cooked in a microwave oven have higher surface temperatures than interior temperatures.

And the experiments showing MW'd water kills plants have been debunked.

Regression_88 said,

FWIW, it's often said that microwave ovens cook from the inside out but it's been proven that food stuffs cooked in a microwave oven have higher surface temperatures than interior temperatures.

Who has ever said that?

I'm not a physicist but it's blatantley obvious when the outside is hot and the inside is stone cold..

They cook from the outside..in..

Health reasons, this brings back to mind that guy who has a illness with WiFi and wanted everyone to stop using it. Madness.

Plus how do they know, I've had WiFi for years and I'm fine. They just go OTT.

TechDudeGeorge said,
Health reasons, this brings back to mind that guy who has a illness with WiFi and wanted everyone to stop using it. Madness.

Plus how do they know, I've had WiFi for years and I'm fine. They just go OTT.

We're the first generations where being exposed to all those stuffs. The humanity doesn't know yet the actual, exact results that will show up in some years.

Deo Domuique said,

We're the first generations where being exposed to all those stuffs. The humanity doesn't know yet the actual, exact results that will show up in some years.


This is true.

MW ovens operate on the same frequencies that 802.11b/g/n WiFi and BT operate on.
Emissions from microwave ovens often far exceed the net EME levels of WiFi, sometimes more than 1000%.

Figure it out.

Regression_88 said,
MW ovens operate on the same frequencies that 802.11b/g/n WiFi and BT operate on.
Emissions from microwave ovens often far exceed the net EME levels of WiFi, sometimes more than 1000%.

Figure it out.

And in actual fact, a fair few routers today don't operate on that frequency at all.

Unless they turn schools into Faraday Cages i dont think they are going to stop cell, wifi, radio, etc.. signals being beamed from outside into schools.

DPyro said,
Idiots. Do they want to shut off all radio stations too?

exactly. UV, Visible Lights and IR are far more energetic particles than microwave (wifi) frequencies, let's ban sunlights in all public schools! Give everyone night visions!

noPCtoday said,

exactly. UV, Visible Lights and IR are far more energetic particles than microwave (wifi) frequencies, let's ban sunlights in all public schools! Give everyone night visions!

Not sure where you're coming from, but microwave (and radio) fall in the infrared spectrum.

noPCtoday said,

exactly. UV, Visible Lights and IR are far more energetic particles than microwave (wifi) frequencies, let's ban sunlights in all public schools! Give everyone night visions!


its not just about the energy, but about the correct wavelength/frequency of the radation
the most obvious example is photosynthesis in plants, they only absorb abit under 500nm and 700nm, and that is the reason why plants look green.... any shorter wavelength (higher energy) and it would either reflect off or pass straight through
its something like the same with radio waves... a certain frequency can be absorbed by certain things in the body, but instead of making energy and oxygen like in plants, it starts doing other things which arent so useful, like changing the shape of molecules into something which didnt exist in the body before...
this is all speculation of course....
but its the same thing happenening again at any health uncertainty, like back then people would think you are crazy for telling them that tobacco is bad for your health...