Exclusive: Windows Phone 7 update not due until March 8 [Update]

Now that February 7 has been and gone and we still haven't seen an update for Windows Phone 7, we've started to get word of other potential release dates. Today, Neowin received confirmation from multiple sources, that pins the first Windows Phone 7 update for March 8.

According to the sources - including someone well placed inside a European carrier - the update has been delayed due to last minute changes by Microsoft and/or OEMs. The update must then be tested by carriers for two-three weeks prior to launch.

Previous rumored release dates pinned February 7, or sometime around the date of Mobile World Congress (February 14th). Apparently, Microsoft is set to reveal the date officially at Mobile World Congress, but will not make it available at that time.

While the news of the Zune update hitting made many users get excited for an imminent update, Microsoft when asked for comment will only state that it has only ever said "Early 2011" on record, and will not provide more information.

The first update to Windows Phone 7 brings copy & paste, CDMA device support, large performance improvements and better marketplace search. The update, entitled "NoDo" will be the first in a series of updates over the coming months, according to Microsoft. "Mango" is rumored to be next update for Windows Phone 7, which is pinned to bring multi-tasking for third party apps, HTML5 and the IE9 browser engine to the platform.

Update: WPCentral has further confirmation from Samsung themselves;

Q: When will the update for Windows 7 Phone?
Samsung A: Probably early March, we will confirm at the Mobile World Congress in mid-February.

This note further backs up our news that the update will land on March 8. It's worth noting at this point, that Microsoft never pinned down a date for the first Windows Phone 7 update. First, rumors were spread of January because of a URL name, then, February 7 was the rumor. Microsoft has always said that the update would land in "Early 2011" and has lately started saying "a few weeks." 

If you hear anything else, let us know in the comments.

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The fact is that Windows Phone 7 is a half cooked product, presenting a more limited set of features than its predecessors (Windows MObile 6.5), that does not support basic things such as Outlook sync (only Exchange is supported - this is just an example) despite misleading claims apearing in MS web site (where it is said that it includes Outlook Mobile). Furthermore most features requiring Zune or Windows Live account are not accessible to customers outside US (although this is carefully hidden by MS in a almost invisible disclaimer).

I have a LG Optimus and this is almost certainly the last Windows Phone I'm buying. In its current version there is nothing really worthwhile in Windows Phone 7 apart from an improved User Interface. With Windows Phone MS opted by using the phone to leverage the adoption of a number of other MS products (hotmail, zune, X-box, windows live) introduces limitations that make it a bearly usable product (load pictures, access to a PDF doc, user selected load of ring tones, Outlook sync, market place access) especially outside US.

In short - with the current version buying a Windows Phone is a waste of money ...

CO0 said,
The fact is that Windows Phone 7 is a half cooked product, presenting a more limited set of features than its predecessors (Windows MObile 6.5), that does not support basic things such as Outlook sync (only Exchange is supported - this is just an example) despite misleading claims apearing in MS web site (where it is said that it includes Outlook Mobile). Furthermore most features requiring Zune or Windows Live account are not accessible to customers outside US (although this is carefully hidden by MS in a almost invisible disclaimer).

I have a LG Optimus and this is almost certainly the last Windows Phone I'm buying. In its current version there is nothing really worthwhile in Windows Phone 7 apart from an improved User Interface. With Windows Phone MS opted by using the phone to leverage the adoption of a number of other MS products (hotmail, zune, X-box, windows live) introduces limitations that make it a bearly usable product (load pictures, access to a PDF doc, user selected load of ring tones, Outlook sync, market place access) especially outside US.

In short - with the current version buying a Windows Phone is a waste of money ...

Why did you buy it then? Because you never researched fully and didn't make an informed decision regarding your most favoured handset/OS? I think so....

Too funny
XIII said "So what's next ? MSNBC news, Fox News are not reliable."

Perhaps you missed the US Supreme Court ruling that said Fox News does NOT have to tell the truth. I'ts all entertainment (ie. BS)

derekaw said,
Typical MS, no surprises here.

Try Android that isn't stock OS...then you'll grow impatient for updates. Just 'chill winston'!!

LaP said,
The comments here are pure comedy

Agreed, I love my WP7 phone - although any update that brings improvements is welcome, I'm happy with WP7 OS so far (previously used android phones, inc N1 which was awesome & Desire HD which was buggy as hell so swapped out for Omnia 7).

IMO people bashing MS just smacks of impatience that caught on like a 'cool trend' as people have been waiting for Android updates from 1.6 upwards!

I hope a lot of bug fixes and some minor improvements beside the ones announced before, better late than never. They should update the Zune software in order to create ringtones and it would be nice to edit contacts and calendar directly from the Zune Software without needing the browser.

daniel_rh said,
I hope a lot of bug fixes and some minor improvements beside the ones announced before, better late than never. They should update the Zune software in order to create ringtones and it would be nice to edit contacts and calendar directly from the Zune Software without needing the browser.

Being able to create ringtones for the phone makes sense in the context of the Zune software but editing contacts and calander? I don't see how that fits into a media library type app really. On that note i've managed to handle my contacts and calendar fine using Outlook 2k7 (though I can to install the google cal sync tool but w/e, it just sits in the background doing nothing 98% of the time). We could very well see a Outlook WP7 connector show up at some point though, I'm sure lots of people would love for that to happen.

KavazovAngel said,
HATERS ARE WELCOMEEEEEEEEEEED!

No probs, I can wait. My LG Optimus 7 is runs perfectly the way it is now!

Same here with my HD7.. & this is from somebody who DOESN'T even have the functionality of WP7 Marketplace, Zune Pass, Bing Local Search nor XBox Live.

I'm willing to wait

It's going to take so long for WP7 to catch up toAndroid and iPhone that my HTC Trophy is going to be ready to retire.
Does anyone have a link to where I should go to find information on how to install Android on my HTC Trophy?

Bolga2 said,
It's going to take so long for WP7 to catch up toAndroid and iPhone that my HTC Trophy is going to be ready to retire.
Does anyone have a link to where I should go to find information on how to install Android on my HTC Trophy?

Hold off for a second. This is what comes with early adoption. What is wrong with you impatient people? trust me, updates will begin to be more rapid in the coming months.

Bolga2 said,
It's going to take so long for WP7 to catch up toAndroid and iPhone that my HTC Trophy is going to be ready to retire.

I'm not sure where you got that. Just because the 1st update hasn't been released yet doesn't mean the developers are sitting around doing nothing. I've heard rumor that the 1st update has been delayed so long that the 2nd is already nearly complete. The "NoDo" update was basically done at the beginning of January, they've just been working it through testing, final fixes, and then more testing.

Also remember that they've never deployed an update to WP7 before, they're probably spending a lot of time making sure that works as it should. Can you imagine what would happen if they screwed up and bricked people's phones on the first update?

Android users taking shots at WP7 for updates, really?

There are still a lot of Android phone buyers that were promised updates to 2.0, 2.1, 2.2 that have never gotten them in almost a year now, and probably never will because of Google shifting all the work to the MFRs and the carriers.

The last numbers I saw, had over 15% of the Android community still stuck with Version 1.6, that can't even run 3D applications like Virtual Earth, even though the hardware is more than capable.

Then there is the carrier and MFR phone fragmentation of versions, that is almost mind blowing for users and developers. Why should developers still have to be coding for 1.6, when it was offiically replaced over a year ago?

There are still carriers that are shipping 1.6 Android phones, with promises going back over a year that they will get the 2.x updates.

Sure us techie people can root and bypass all this mess, although the quality of the mods and builds are usually somewhere between semi-stable and my camera no longer works and I can't make calls. However, the majority of users are not bypassing the carrier supplied versions, and on some devices newer builds are virtually non-existent, like the Zio or other similar lower end devices. Getting a stable newer build is easy if you have a Droid or popular phone, but if you don't, suck up the version 1.6 you were given with a wink and a promise of 2.2 soon.

Just because your carrier and phone might have gotten a nice 2.2 update, doesn't mean the majority of Android users did. Go look at some of the phones still being sold by major carriers, and notice the v1.6 or v2.1 notes on the devices - that lack all bug fixes and feature updates.

Also for all the Android people out there talking copy and paste, open your Email on your phone and try to copy and paste anything from an email or even a forwarded email. Android having copy and paste and actually having it even in OS level applications are two different things. At least the WP7 users will be able to copy and paste stuff from their freaking emails.


Seriously, Android users (like myself) should probably be quiet when it comes to updates and a cohesive version structure that is not dictated by carriers and MFRs and their loss of incentive to update the product is apparent.

WP7 may not be perfect or ideal, but at least users won't have to wait for each MFR and carrier to provide updates. So what if Microsoft delays the update, it is at least ONE POINT that the updates are coming from and ONE VERSION that all users and developers can work with. Something Apple is able to give their customers, and something that even with multiple hardware vendors and carriers, Microsoft is able to give their customers as well.

thenetavenger said,
Android users taking shots at WP7 for updates, really?

There are still a lot of Android phone buyers that were promised updates to 2.0, 2.1, 2.2 that have never gotten them in almost a year now, and probably never will because of Google shifting all the work to the MFRs and the carriers.

The last numbers I saw, had over 15% of the Android community still stuck with Version 1.6, that can't even run 3D applications like Virtual Earth, even though the hardware is more than capable.

Then there is the carrier and MFR phone fragmentation of versions, that is almost mind blowing for users and developers. Why should developers still have to be coding for 1.6, when it was offiically replaced over a year ago?

There are still carriers that are shipping 1.6 Android phones, with promises going back over a year that they will get the 2.x updates.

Sure us techie people can root and bypass all this mess, although the quality of the mods and builds are usually somewhere between semi-stable and my camera no longer works and I can't make calls. However, the majority of users are not bypassing the carrier supplied versions, and on some devices newer builds are virtually non-existent, like the Zio or other similar lower end devices. Getting a stable newer build is easy if you have a Droid or popular phone, but if you don't, suck up the version 1.6 you were given with a wink and a promise of 2.2 soon.

Just because your carrier and phone might have gotten a nice 2.2 update, doesn't mean the majority of Android users did. Go look at some of the phones still being sold by major carriers, and notice the v1.6 or v2.1 notes on the devices - that lack all bug fixes and feature updates.

Also for all the Android people out there talking copy and paste, open your Email on your phone and try to copy and paste anything from an email or even a forwarded email. Android having copy and paste and actually having it even in OS level applications are two different things. At least the WP7 users will be able to copy and paste stuff from their freaking emails.


Seriously, Android users (like myself) should probably be quiet when it comes to updates and a cohesive version structure that is not dictated by carriers and MFRs and their loss of incentive to update the product is apparent.

WP7 may not be perfect or ideal, but at least users won't have to wait for each MFR and carrier to provide updates. So what if Microsoft delays the update, it is at least ONE POINT that the updates are coming from and ONE VERSION that all users and developers can work with. Something Apple is able to give their customers, and something that even with multiple hardware vendors and carriers, Microsoft is able to give their customers as well.


We haven't seen any updates from MS yet so hold your horses ... It might be even worse than Android.

XIII said,

We haven't seen any updates from MS yet so hold your horses ... It might be even worse than Android.

A lot of surmising from someone essentially advising people not to surmise, no???

The only real annoyance I have with my Samsung Omnia 7 is the way the screen goes black when on a phone call sometimes and you have to cover the proximity sensor with your thumb/fingers to get the screen to come back on. Probably hardware issue so not OS fault?

This doesn't mean I don't want turn by turn sat nav & flash real bad. stuff copy & paste, I rarely come to need it, lets get the important/big boy stuff sorted first lol.

Other than that I think WP7 poops all over Android - and this coming from a N1 & HTC Desire HD previous owner.

And I also remember how everyone kills Google / Phone manufacturers / Carriers (and always have done) for the slow updates so all the people complaining like there's no tomorrow need to sit back & think about that a bit, yes?? Just remember this is a youngish OS...

Sure faster updates would be nice but Nov 8th to March 8th is 4 months, which if you think about it reasoniblly it's not that bad actually. Without knowing the reason for the delay like the post states we just have to wait. In the end if it is some big bug that could've bricked lots of phones I'd rather wait and have it fixed then rushed out. 2-3weeks to test a update to something new to the market is just something you have to live with.

GP007 said,
Sure faster updates would be nice but Nov 8th to March 8th is 4 months, which if you think about it reasoniblly it's not that bad actually. Without knowing the reason for the delay like the post states we just have to wait. In the end if it is some big bug that could've bricked lots of phones I'd rather wait and have it fixed then rushed out. 2-3weeks to test a update to something new to the market is just something you have to live with.

+1

GP007 said,
Sure faster updates would be nice but Nov 8th to March 8th is 4 months, which if you think about it reasoniblly it's not that bad actually. Without knowing the reason for the delay like the post states we just have to wait. In the end if it is some big bug that could've bricked lots of phones I'd rather wait and have it fixed then rushed out. 2-3weeks to test a update to something new to the market is just something you have to live with.

Exactly. Microsoft has said it plans to push future updates faster and faster.

SuperHans said,

... and then you woke up

I don't think he's dreaming at all, like I said, we don't know what the cause of this delay was otherwise we probably would've had the update already I bet. If this is a one time deal then the 2nd update should come faster than 4 months.

Has been long talked about in regards to the carriers being a big issue with any WP7 updates. Got to admit I'm disappointed, my WP7 phone has become my least used of the three I have and with high app prices than both Android and iOS and the most basic of first updates still being a month away, it's a pretty poor showing for a company who need WP7 to do well.

Byron_Hinson said,
Has been long talked about in regards to the carriers being a big issue with any WP7 updates. Got to admit I'm disappointed, my WP7 phone has become my least used of the three I have and with high app prices than both Android and iOS and the most basic of first updates still being a month away, it's a pretty poor showing for a company who need WP7 to do well.

Why is it the least used?

Byron_Hinson said,
Has been long talked about in regards to the carriers being a big issue with any WP7 updates. Got to admit I'm disappointed, my WP7 phone has become my least used of the three I have and with high app prices than both Android and iOS and the most basic of first updates still being a month away, it's a pretty poor showing for a company who need WP7 to do well.

Why is it the least used?

Owen W said,

Why is it the least used?

Lack of decent apps. Games are too pricy compared to identical games on iOS. Still slow loading. Also find the browser poor compared to android and iOS

that microsoft wp7 guy announced last year (forgot his name, it was a keynote at some major event) that copy and paste will be available in january though... will he get fired?

mocax said,
that microsoft wp7 guy announced last year (forgot his name, it was a keynote at some major event) that copy and paste will be available in january though... will he get fired?

Are you sure? I'm pretty certain that no Microsoft employee said January. They have been very careful with this information.

you know what I dont even care about a big update with copy/paste etc. i just want the Marketplace fixed so I dont have to reboot my device every couple of days when it gets unresponsive/crashes.

Not selling my iphone 4 may be a wise decision.

smot said,
Shrug. I'll live. If it had been posted and there was an issue with the update, the same people would moan about the update being rushed before it was ready.

/can't please everyone
//much love for the Focus

This is true, but why has it taken this long to implement such basic features? it scares me that the larger update is still due, how long will we have to wait for that?

If it genuinly takes this long, then i have strong fears for the platform in general.

crashguy said,

This is true, but why has it taken this long to implement such basic features? it scares me that the larger update is still due, how long will we have to wait for that?

If it genuinly takes this long, then i have strong fears for the platform in general.


I suspect that the delays have nothing to do with bugs in the feature set of the update, and everything to do with either the CDMA implementation (that shouldn't have been included in this update) or distribution/update problems.

crashguy said,

This is true, but why has it taken this long to implement such basic features? it scares me that the larger update is still due, how long will we have to wait for that?

If it genuinly takes this long, then i have strong fears for the platform in general.


Trust me, Microsoft just wants to get the first right. You will be likely seeing every 1-2 months this year after this.

crashguy said,

This is true, but why has it taken this long to implement such basic features? it scares me that the larger update is still due, how long will we have to wait for that?

If it genuinly takes this long, then i have strong fears for the platform in general.

The CDMA support isn't really a basic feature, and probably required a good deal of work. And then testing. I would wager that is moreso the cause for this delay honestly.

Microsoft officially said Q1/Early 2011. If it's not passed that time, then I don't care. I'm using my phone.

MS! cmon! what happened to the January update? man just give us some smaller updates and that'll satisfy more people!

Shrug. I'll live. If it had been posted and there was an issue with the update, the same people would moan about the update being rushed before it was ready.

/can't please everyone
//much love for the Focus

It seems like technology in general these days is failing at release targets. Intel's Sandybridge was not only delayed, but eventually recalled. Web browsers are behind, Ubuntu is essentially behind (10.04 was NOT long-term quality, but was forced into it out of release cycle). WP7 updates are behind, Android roll-outs to actual devices have always been late. Nothing is ever on time or early anymore.

The company I work for is constantly talking about upcoming plans, and misses targets by anywhere from six months to two years. It's like people are being taught to project early and disappoint rather than project late and pleasantly surprise.

Joshie said,
It seems like technology in general these days is failing at release targets. Intel's Sandybridge was not only delayed, but eventually recalled. Web browsers are behind, Ubuntu is essentially behind (10.04 was NOT long-term quality, but was forced into it out of release cycle). WP7 updates are behind, Android roll-outs to actual devices have always been late. Nothing is ever on time or early anymore.

The company I work for is constantly talking about upcoming plans, and misses targets by anywhere from six months to two years. It's like people are being taught to project early and disappoint rather than project late and pleasantly surprise.

I came into a project in exactly the same soup you just described. They ended up replacing almost the whole team, and since then, the team motto has been "under promise and over deliver". We have been getting by pretty good so far, and have completed 3 projects over the last year, with very little bugs. Guess the old adage still holds: "You can't rush good cooking, you can't rush babies out, and you can't rush software development!"

Edited by recursive, Feb 10 2011, 4:32am :

recursive said,

I came into a project in exactly the same soup you just described. They ended up replacing almost the whole team, and since then, the team motto has been "under promise and over deliver". We have been getting by pretty good so far, and have completed 3 projects over the last year, with very little bugs. Guess the old adage still holds: "You can't rush good cooking, you can't rush babies out, and you can't rush software development!"

That's the precise way to do it! Nicely done! Mind if I ask which projects you did, or are they trade secrets ?

Owen W said,

Not speculation

Its speculation until i see it on microsoft's web site Unless you have links to a tweet or something all i see is winextra guessing march 8th a few hours ago

blahism said,

Its speculation until i see it on microsoft's web site Unless you have links to a tweet or something all i see is winextra guessing march 8th a few hours ago


Our source isn't WinExtra, its a carrier. We provided further information than WinExtra did (They didn't pin a date down)

Owen W said,

Our source isn't WinExtra, its a carrier. We provided further information than WinExtra did (They didn't pin a date down)

Which Carrier then? I saw Tom tweat something from winrumor that carriers were the reason it was delayed, but no one is mentioning any names.. how the hell am i supposed to put my money where my mouth is if they're all in the conspiracy to slow crap down?

bob_c_b said,
More speculation, just what this debate needed.

More fuel to the flame is what we need to burn the WP7 ship...

MissingBonobo said,

It's not a ship, it's a boat. And I'm on it. (Don't you ever forget)


If I were you, I would start preparing the lifeboat ...

MissingBonobo said,

It's okay. I'm on a dolphin, doing flips and other assorted activities.


How about dolphin diving LOL ? That brought me back to BF2

blahism said,
Maybe the delay is to incorporate changes for Microkia


Nah, the delay is necessary to deploy lifeboats out this sinking ship

XIII said,

Nah, the delay is necessary to deploy lifeboats out this sinking ship

hardly a sinking ship.. WP7 is selling well and will have some great news tomorrow!

XIII said,

Drinking koolaid much ? On the news the other day, Android and iOS are steadily gaining marketshare while WP7 is slowly adopted.
http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/...-most-popular-os-worldwide/
Maybe the MS reality distortion field is stronger than I have ever imagined.

Drinking retarded **** much? How well did Android do when it first started out? Did it suddenly gain 50% marketshare in a day? Oh wait it didn't. It took them 2 years + to get to second place...but yet you expect WP7 to suddenly gain 50% marketshare in 4 months

You should return back home, you know that place under that rock over there.

/- Razorfold said,

Drinking retarded **** much? How well did Android do when it first started out? Did it suddenly gain 50% marketshare in a day? Oh wait it didn't. It took them 2 years + to get to second place...but yet you expect WP7 to suddenly gain 50% marketshare in 4 months

You should return back home, you know that place under that rock over there.


Sorry pal, that excuse won't work anymore. iPhone was released in the past and shortly after its release, it quickly made a dent in the market share almost right away. WP7 was late to the party and now it is missing many important features and a much needed update. It won't have a chance honestly. Believe in that BS and keep on drinking your koolaid if you will.

XIII said,

Sorry pal, that excuse won't work anymore. iPhone was released in the past and shortly after its release, it quickly made a dent in the market share almost right away. WP7 was late to the party and now it is missing many important features and a much needed update. It won't have a chance honestly. Believe in that BS and keep on drinking your koolaid if you will.

Glad you skipped out mentioning that Android didn't make any big dent in the market on it's release, and even then it wasn't as featured as it is today. Amazing how that managed to get to second place right?

As for the iPhone..it's far easier to enter a new market (in terms of consumer mindset that is) and make a big splash that it is to enter an already crowded market. Which is why I mentioned Android, but clearly you're so deluded with hatred for MS you can't see past your bs.

But yeh keep drinking your koolaid and thinking it gives you the power to see into the future. In the mean time get back under your rock.

XIII said,

Drinking koolaid much ? On the news the other day, Android and iOS are steadily gaining marketshare while WP7 is slowly adopted.
http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/...-most-popular-os-worldwide/
Maybe the MS reality distortion field is stronger than I have ever imagined.

I'm not worried.. People are already spelling out doom and gloom for android now that verizon is pushing icrap. In a market still growing and expected to continue to grow i see WP7 doing quite well.

The phone does everything i wanted it to do already.. Plus it can watch netflix.. chew on that android

blahism said,

I'm not worried.. People are already spelling out doom and gloom for android now that verizon is pushing icrap. In a market still growing and expected to continue to grow i see WP7 doing quite well.

The phone does everything i wanted it to do already.. Plus it can watch netflix.. chew on that android


Yeah, I won't miss Netflix because I can always watch it at home on my BIG SCREEN TV. What's your point again ?

/- Razorfold said,

Glad you skipped out mentioning that Android didn't make any big dent in the market on it's release, and even then it wasn't as featured as it is today. Amazing how that managed to get to second place right?

As for the iPhone..it's far easier to enter a new market (in terms of consumer mindset that is) and make a big splash that it is to enter an already crowded market. Which is why I mentioned Android, but clearly you're so deluded with hatred for MS you can't see past your bs.

But yeh keep drinking your koolaid and thinking it gives you the power to see into the future. In the mean time get back under your rock.


Remember back when the T-mobile G1 was released, it was quite a hit and was covered on many major news network as well. Everybody was doing well except WP7. WP7 was off to a slow start and now its update is delayed as well. Oh well, I know you won't be convinced because you are too deluded to even see what's going on. Enjoy your WP7 and all I can say is good luck because it will be a tough road ahead.

XIII said,

Remember back when the T-mobile G1 was released, it was quite a hit and was covered on many major news network as well. Everybody was doing well except WP7. WP7 was off to a slow start and now its update is delayed as well. Oh well, I know you won't be convinced because you are too deluded to even see what's going on. Enjoy your WP7 and all I can say is good luck because it will be a tough road ahead.

The g1 was a hit? What kindoff crack are you smoking? Quite literally a few weeks after the G1 released everyone was claiming Android was doomed to fail, how it would never beat the iPhone blah blah blah. Yet here we are in 2011 with it doing well.

And I will enjoy my WP7, you enjoy that rock you live under.

XIII said,

Yeah, I won't miss Netflix because I can always watch it at home on my BIG SCREEN TV. What's your point again ?

My point is that i can watch netflix on my phone and you can't. I can also watch it on my tv, but the subject matter was phones, not tv. Need i spell it out anymore?

/- Razorfold said,

The g1 was a hit? What kindoff crack are you smoking? Quite literally a few weeks after the G1 released everyone was claiming Android was doomed to fail, how it would never beat the iPhone blah blah blah. Yet here we are in 2011 with it doing well.

And I will enjoy my WP7, you enjoy that rock you live under.


I don't know why you could be more massively mistaken. You can't please everyone, people like iOS will definitely hate Android so on and so forth. I have never said that I hate WP7. I in fact love it but I refuse to buy from MS and be abandoned a second time. WM6.5 was a piece of **** and couldn't do what I want to do on it. The marketstore was crippled and there were literally no useful apps that we can buy... They move on and left us behind with no updates, no supports whatsoever. How you can keep on protecting MS despite all of this happened in front of your eyes is beyond my understanding. Enjoy that WP7 while you can before you start realizing that this is the beginning of the end for WP7.

XIII said,

I don't know why you could be more massively mistaken. You can't please everyone, people like iOS will definitely hate Android so on and so forth. I have never said that I hate WP7. I in fact love it but I refuse to buy from MS and be abandoned a second time. WM6.5 was a piece of **** and couldn't do what I want to do on it. The marketstore was crippled and there were literally no useful apps that we can buy... They move on and left us behind with no updates, no supports whatsoever. How you can keep on protecting MS despite all of this happened in front of your eyes is beyond my understanding. Enjoy that WP7 while you can before you start realizing that this is the beginning of the end for WP7.

You see the difference between you and me was that I purchased my HD2 EXPECTING not to get an upgrade to WP7. I knew quite well that it wouldn't get one since unlike you I don't base my purchases on rumors.

I bought it because it had great hardware, and the developers on XDA could do amazing things with it. So to me, it was money well spent.

And the difference between WinMo and WP, is that Microsoft have stated they would be in it for the long haul and it would be massively stupid for them to just quit. Like it or not the world is moving towards mobile devices, and MS needs a foothold there in order to stay competitive in the future.

But since you're so confident in your ability to see the future, let's make a bet shall we? Or are you too scared?

/- Razorfold said,

You see the difference between you and me was that I purchased my HD2 EXPECTING not to get an upgrade to WP7. I knew quite well that it wouldn't get one since unlike you I don't base my purchases on rumors.

I bought it because it had great hardware, and the developers on XDA could do amazing things with it. So to me, it was money well spent.

And the difference between WinMo and WP, is that Microsoft have stated they would be in it for the long haul and it would be massively stupid for them to just quit. Like it or not the world is moving towards mobile devices, and MS needs a foothold there in order to stay competitive in the future.

But since you're so confident in your ability to see the future, let's make a bet shall we? Or are you too scared?


Ok let's make a bet then. I say WP7 will fail because of MS. WP7 has potential but it will fail because of failed business strategy.

/- Razorfold said,

The g1 was a hit? What kindoff crack are you smoking? Quite literally a few weeks after the G1 released everyone was claiming Android was doomed to fail, how it would never beat the iPhone blah blah blah. Yet here we are in 2011 with it doing well.

And I will enjoy my WP7, you enjoy that rock you live under.

Why even bother arguing with this troll? I've read through a bunch of his comments on here, and he clearly is just trying to rile people up... I'm not sure how he even has enough time to monitor this topic like he clearly is. LOL

XIII said,

Ok let's make a bet then. I say WP7 will fail because of MS. WP7 has potential but it will fail because of failed business strategy.

Like the XBox failed? Microsoft I think has proven that they are able to break into new markets and succeed... And their strategy for WP7 isn't that much different...

XIII said,

Ok let's make a bet then. I say WP7 will fail because of MS. WP7 has potential but it will fail because of failed business strategy.

So, what are you betting on? Your Android phone? Your life? Your whole family? Your PRIDE? I'm certainly going to enjoy this

XIII said,

Ok let's make a bet then. I say WP7 will fail because of MS. WP7 has potential but it will fail because of failed business strategy.

So, what are you betting on? Your Android phone? Your life? Your whole family? Your PRIDE? I'm certainly going to enjoy this

and yeah M_Lyons10, he said he didn't hate WP7 but clearly he did. Perhaps he's in Android distortion's field?

FarCry3r said,

So, what are you betting on? Your Android phone? Your life? Your whole family? Your PRIDE? I'm certainly going to enjoy this

Yeah right, like the PRIDE on the INTERNET has any significance whatsoever, calling people troll without reading their comments is troll itself. If my comment doesn't have any substance and only says "WP7 sucks," it has been deleted by the mod a long time ago. Yeah, feel free to defend MS and your blind purchase until you get on the same boat as me ... Then we will see who's laughing at whom.

Edited by XIII, Feb 10 2011, 2:36pm :

Riggers said,

Is that how old you are? Because your certainly acting like it is!


Really? if you can make judgement about me just based on my username, I guess I can do the same, you are acting like a douche bag because your name tell me that you are one (well replace "R" with "N" and we have the correct name for you).

XIII said,

Yeah right, like the PRIDE on the INTERNET has any significance whatsoever, calling people troll without reading their comments is troll itself. If my comment doesn't have any substance and only says "WP7 sucks," it has been deleted by the mod a long time ago. Yeah, feel free to defend MS and your blind purchase until you get on the same boat as me ... Then we will see who's laughing at whom.

Oh, did I call you troll? Troll. Did I said anything about defending MS? I can't see it anywhere, can you? Troll. Did I laugh at you? Did I? Troll.

Conclusion, you're a troll. Making up something that doesn't even exist just to convince yourself that you're right. Perhaps you need to see a troll-doctor, and yeah, I'm calling you troll now since you just prove that

P/S: I don't want to be in the same boat as you, might as well cut my dick off if I had to.

recursive said,
A speculated update release date for an OS with 2% marketshare is featured news?

so says the dude with an avatar of an emoticon hugging a penguin that has about as much end user marketshare as the phone does but with a 20 year head start

blahism said,

so says the dude with an avatar of an emoticon hugging a penguin that has about as much end user marketshare as the phone does but with a 20 year head start


I guess you forgot that devices like Android run on a Linux kernel.

recursive said,

I guess you forgot that devices like Android run on a Linux kernel.

Not really, last year all traces of android patches/kernel changes were pulled from the Kernel so android has as much to do with linux as well, not much...

blahism said,

Not really, last year all traces of android patches/kernel changes were pulled from the Kernel so android has as much to do with linux as well, not much...


Actually its the other way round. Android still has much to do with Linux. Its Linux that doesn't have as much with Android. And as long as I can log into a terminal on my phone and run commands such as ls, its Linux to me.

recursive said,

Actually its the other way round. Android still has much to do with Linux. Its Linux that doesn't have as much with Android. And as long as I can log into a terminal on my phone and run commands such as ls, its Linux to me.

ls/bin/bash/ksh were around long before linux/android

recursive said,
A speculated update release date for an OS with 2% marketshare is featured news?

Because they want to wake up the fanboys but the fanboys drink too much Koolaid to wake up ...

XIII said,

Because they want to wake up the fanboys but the fanboys drink too much Koolaid to wake up ...

Kool-aid is full of sugar. I won't be sleeping anytime soon.

Kind of makes me a sad panda that I have to wait, but frankly I'd rather wait and have it work as intended on all the devices than have it be buggy and not work properly for some/all. Would I like it faster? Yes, who wouldn't? But I'm willing to wait for quality as long as Microsoft keeps up with their promises or gives a really good reason why they haven't.

MissingBonobo said,
Kind of makes me a sad panda that I have to wait, but frankly I'd rather wait and have it work as intended on all the devices than have it be buggy and not work properly for some/all. Would I like it faster? Yes, who wouldn't? But I'm willing to wait for quality as long as Microsoft keeps up with their promises or gives a really good reason why they haven't.

Thank you for the most civilized post on this article

Well guys, enjoy tiny screens and ugly unintuitive UIs, I will gladly wait another month to have my 6 WP7 devices upgraded. Til then, apple cant even get a decent gaming platform for their desktops, I don't expect their handheld to progress further than RageHD

I'm really beginning to regret my decision to leave iPhone and go to Windows Phone 7.

I lost so much functionality in the change, and the lack of updates is appauling.

Once i switch back, i will never be going back to Windows Phone ever.

crashguy said,
I'm really beginning to regret my decision to leave iPhone and go to Windows Phone 7.

I lost so much functionality in the change, and the lack of updates is appauling.

Once i switch back, i will never be going back to Windows Phone ever.


If this rumor is true, can't you wait another month?

day2die said,

If this rumor is true, can't you wait another month?

Because it's missing more features then i ever realised! the person in the store promised tethering, nadda. promissied added storage.. nadda..

I made the mistake of trusting the sales person. The added features were what made me want to change in the first place and i've ended up being highly disappointed.

crashguy said,
I'm really beginning to regret my decision to leave iPhone and go to Windows Phone 7.

I lost so much functionality in the change, and the lack of updates is appauling.

Once i switch back, i will never be going back to Windows Phone ever.

The only relative comparison would be to keep your iPhone and install iOS version 1 on it. the Phone will get updates, but its 3 freeking months old FFS! expectations can lead to a wrong stance on things, step back and you'll soon realise how silly this point of view is.

Features will be added, and from the planned schedule along with whats been leaked upto now it'll have far more features than the relative iOS and Android OS within a far shorter period of time.

Yes I want the extra features, but I also knew I was buying a version 1 product and would have to wait a reasonable amount of time to get them - I don't think 4 months for the first update is unreasonable.

Latter this year we'll have HTML 5 with IE9, multitasking, performance increases, turn by turn based navigation, and copy/paste on top of all the other features native to WP7 that are not available (OOTB) on other platforms - all within the same year of release - sorry but this fact ****es all over iOS IMO.

Plus I get a quality music and video ecosystem in zune, comparable to iTunes (both far ahead of android system (non existent)) - without having to install the nightmare that is iTunes on my PC. WIN!

crashguy said,

Because it's missing more features then i ever realised! the person in the store promised tethering, nadda. promissied added storage.. nadda..

I made the mistake of trusting the sales person. The added features were what made me want to change in the first place and i've ended up being highly disappointed.

You get the first models your not going to get everything you want, give it time. The iphone just got official tethering which you need to pay for or you can jailbreak it and it's 4 versions in. WP7 is version 1.

Its not that big of deal. To me the only thing that REALLY needs to be updated is the market, inexcusable in it's current state. My hd7 is running snappier and faster than my g2 so i can't complain.

Just when I think about changing my mind and giving Microsoft a third chance after going through 2 Windows Mobile Phones, something like this ends up happening. It only confirms for me to just go ahead and get an iPhone. Microsoft is still up to their old tricks of putting out a phone and then giving less than a damn about the phone and its customers. This is the same game they played with Windows mobile 6.0 and 6.5. The update that they will release will make Windows Phone 7 worse than how it is acting now. Speaking from experience with Windows Phone 6.0,6.1, and 6.5.

JSYOUNG571 said,
Just when I think about changing my mind and giving Microsoft a third chance after going through 2 Windows Mobile Phones, something like this ends up happening. It only confirms for me to just go ahead and get an iPhone. Microsoft is still up to their old tricks of putting out a phone and then giving less than a damn about the phone and its customers. This is the same game they played with Windows mobile 6.0 and 6.5. The update that they will release will make Windows Phone 7 worse than how it is acting now. Speaking from experience with Windows Phone 6.0,6.1, and 6.5.

I don't understand why an update being <25 days away would change your mind.

JSYOUNG571 said,
Just when I think about changing my mind and giving Microsoft a third chance after going through 2 Windows Mobile Phones, something like this ends up happening. It only confirms for me to just go ahead and get an iPhone. Microsoft is still up to their old tricks of putting out a phone and then giving less than a damn about the phone and its customers. This is the same game they played with Windows mobile 6.0 and 6.5. The update that they will release will make Windows Phone 7 worse than how it is acting now. Speaking from experience with Windows Phone 6.0,6.1, and 6.5.

Sigh... Don't make the same mistake I did. Get an Android or an iPhone. That would be better supported ...

XIII said,

Sigh... Don't make the same mistake I did. Get an Android or an iPhone. That would be better supported ...

Better supported? I believe there are plenty of HTC Hero (Sprint) owners that may disagree with you .

MissingBonobo said,

Better supported? I believe there are plenty of HTC Hero (Sprint) owners that may disagree with you .


I am talking about the overall support: community, 3rd party firmware, etc... You will get fed up with the manufacturers at some points so buying phones that are hacking-friendly is better in the long run.

JSYOUNG571 said,
Just when I think about changing my mind and giving Microsoft a third chance after going through 2 Windows Mobile Phones, something like this ends up happening. It only confirms for me to just go ahead and get an iPhone. Microsoft is still up to their old tricks of putting out a phone and then giving less than a damn about the phone and its customers. This is the same game they played with Windows mobile 6.0 and 6.5. The update that they will release will make Windows Phone 7 worse than how it is acting now. Speaking from experience with Windows Phone 6.0,6.1, and 6.5.

Get over yourself, its a 3 month old Mobile OS - this is the first update and it has to be done right, the first mass update will be the first time MS has done this kind of update and should help make future updates keep to schedule.

If you bough an iPhone or Android phone on release - version 1 - how long would you have had to wait for the first update? just asking......

Also MS have already stated they want the community to help out, they are encouraging home brew and will work with devs - this will allow home brew but hopefully protect devs from app scam.

Again, a 3 month old mobile OS - I think you and others are being quite the drama queen/'s, sorry.

Yes, I understand. As far as I'm concerned as long as it's within 1st quarter they've held up their end. XIII, I believe your source has shown how reliable they are. Microsoft said early this year and they're holding up as far as I know. If you want to use android be my guest, I prefer an OS without fragmentation and intense lag regardless of device.

incubus1 said,
Yes, I understand. As far as I'm concerned as long as it's within 1st quarter they've held up their end. XIII, I believe your source has shown how reliable they are. Microsoft said early this year and they're holding up as far as I know. If you want to use android be my guest, I prefer an OS without fragmentation and intense lag regardless of device.

What intense lag are you talking about ? I don't notice any lag when running Android on my HD2. I did notice lags when running WM6.5. Let's face it, WM6.5 is a POS and even MS didn't want to support it. They just dropped it.
Whether WP7 will follow the same course is still unknown. Let's wait and see. When that happens, please allow me to laugh at your blind devotions to a company that is willing to abandon its customers to make petty profits.

XIII said,

What intense lag are you talking about ? I don't notice any lag when running Android on my HD2.

It just isn't as fluid as it should be. It doesn't hang, but it's also not very responsive.

day2die said,

It just isn't as fluid as it should be. It doesn't hang, but it's also not very responsive.

What's your specs ? Do you have a lot of background processes running ? I didn't notice any lags honestly.

My apologies, that was a generalization, a few sites have this posted not and I've pretty much C&Pd it at al of them... too many rumors flying... the feb 7th thing was directed at the person above who stated it.

incubus1 said,
My apologies, that was a generalization, a few sites have this posted not and I've pretty much C&Pd it at al of them... too many rumors flying... the feb 7th thing was directed at the person above who stated it.

That's OK, but do note that this 'rumor' has a heavy backing to it. We've done our research.

FloatingFatMan said,

Clearly not well enough, as you're wrong!


Based on what? Your opinion. What a carrier says, and what OEM's say supersedes whatever you seem to think. Sorry.

Since this update will enable CDMA support, is it possible/likely that wp7 will be released on verizon or other CDMA carrier on March 8th?

gaba gaba hay said,
Since this update will enable CDMA support, is it possible/likely that wp7 will be released on verizon or other CDMA carrier on March 8th?

That would be awesome. I'm a little surprised at the lack of information on that to be honest. No handset rumors or anything... I can't wait for my phone, but I have to wait for it to come to Verizon unfortunately...

I must ask, why did you guys assume this would be out in january then february 7th. There was never an official word from any company aside from it being early this year. As far as I'm concerned that could be in the first 4 months of the year or at worst in the first quarter which they are still well within. You guys invest too much in these gossip sites.

incubus1 said,
I must ask, why did you guys assume this would be out in january then february 7th. There was never an official word from any company aside from it being early this year. As far as I'm concerned that could be in the first 4 months of the year or at worst in the first quarter which they are still well within. You guys invest too much in these gossip sites.

We never said February 7th on the site, and we only quoted January as it was in the URL "January Update," which seemed suspicious. We got a new date, so we posted it, based on multiple sources' confirmation.

incubus1 said,
I must ask, why did you guys assume this would be out in january then february 7th. There was never an official word from any company aside from it being early this year. As far as I'm concerned that could be in the first 4 months of the year or at worst in the first quarter which they are still well within. You guys invest too much in these gossip sites.

Oh, how I love the MS fanboys ? They will always stick out for MS and give out excuses whenever they go. Reliable sources said February and MS slipped the date. The fanboys then starts crying the sources foul instead of blaming MS. If this happens for Android, they will just say "fragmentation problem," "HTC faults", "Google faults," etc...

XIII said,

Oh, how I love the MS fanboys ? They will always stick out for MS and give out excuses whenever they go. Reliable sources said February and MS slipped the date. The fanboys then starts crying the sources foul instead of blaming MS. If this happens for Android, they will just say "fragmentation problem," "HTC faults", "Google faults," etc...

I love Google fanboys. They always blame everything on Microsoft.

day2die said,

I love Google fanboys. They always blame everything on Microsoft.

Well, keep that love for Microsoft going strong ... until they stop giving you updates and made you buy another phone that looks and functions exactly the same as your phone, except with their new shiny OS on it.

XIII said,

Well, keep that love for Microsoft going strong ... until they stop giving you updates and made you buy another phone that looks and functions exactly the same as your phone, except with their new shiny OS on it.

I bought my Focus because of what it does TODAY and I love it. The fluidity and responsiveness of WP7 outclass Android.

That said, I do want this update.

XIII said,

Oh, how I love the MS fanboys ? They will always stick out for MS and give out excuses whenever they go. Reliable sources said February and MS slipped the date. The fanboys then starts crying the sources foul instead of blaming MS. If this happens for Android, they will just say "fragmentation problem," "HTC faults", "Google faults," etc...

Reliable sources like who? Engadget? Sorry Engadget isn't a source, it's a news site. Unless you can find me proof of someone in MS saying the update would be out on Feb 7th stfu.

Well, keep that love for Microsoft going strong ... until they stop giving you updates and made you buy another phone that looks and functions exactly the same as your phone, except with their new shiny OS on it.

Zomg because you know..there has been such major hardware enhancements in the past year yeh? Oh wait until recently we were still stuck on 1ghz CPUs, WVGA screens, 512mb ram...yeahhh Dam you Microsoft, why couldn't you have given us 2ghz CPUs 2560x1600 res screens and 16tb ram

Next you're going to say microsoft should release WP7 for HTC desire owners...

day2die said,

I bought my Focus because of what it does TODAY and I love it. The fluidity and responsiveness of WP7 outclass Android.

That said, I do want this update.


Exactly the reason why Android fragmentation theory is baseless.

recursive said,

Exactly the reason why Android fragmentation theory is baseless.

Not quite. There is one version of WP7, versus at least 4 of Android that are still kicking around today (1.6 (limited but still out there. Xperia X10 anyone?), 2.1, and 2.2 are most prominent, with 2.3 rolling out to more devices). Also, the difference in hardware between the Android handsets is immense (one example being from the same OEM, the Samsung Intercept vs the Galaxy S lineup). This means the users end experience is different. The lower end handsets, even when running the newest version of the OS, still lag and freeze up, and that negatively impacts Android as a whole. I would know, I have a Samsung Intercept collecting dust on my shelf, and a Samsung Focus charging on my desk . I'm not saying fragmentation is the end of Android, because it's not, but to deny it's existance is foolish.

XIII said,

Yeah right so where would Engadget get its news from then ? Engadget is a reliable news site, at least it is not biased like many other sites out there. So what's next ? MSNBC news, Fox News are not reliable. Obama didn't say so but the news made it up. Give me a break and please spare me the BS, you should be the one that need to stfu ... Let's just deny and pretend something unpleasant has never existed, WWII had never happened. People just made it up...
You don't get it do you, a SOURCE is someone from Microsoft who would have stated that the update would be out in Feb. THEY NEVER DID. Even Engadget said it was RUMORED to come out on Feb. Please go learn some English.

All this time MS has only said early 2011, which could essentially mean anything from Jan-April.

We get it you're ****ed at MS for not releasing WP7 for your HD2, but to be honest the only idiot here is you. At no point in time did MS state it was going to get WP7. You chose to believe a rumor (just like you're doing again) and make a purchase..you got burnt. Go figure.

/- Razorfold said,
You don't get it do you, a SOURCE is someone from Microsoft who would have stated that the update would be out in Feb. THEY NEVER DID. Even Engadget said it was RUMORED to come out on Feb. Please go learn some English.

All this time MS has only said early 2011, which could essentially mean anything from Jan-April.

We get it you're ****ed at MS for not releasing WP7 for your HD2, but to be honest the only idiot here is you. At no point in time did MS state it was going to get WP7. You chose to believe a rumor (just like you're doing again) and make a purchase..you got burnt. Go figure.


Sorry pal, news site won't stick around for long if they only rely on rumor. What's next ? MSNBC and Fox News are made up of rumor and gossip, yeah right. Try harder, pal.
Well guess what, I got over MS for not releasing WP7 to HD2 by installing An-****ing-droid on it. It served me well than WM ever did so this has nothing to do with it. I am just saying that MS is not living up to its expectation a second time and people will still blindly buy their products regardless. MS fanboys are no better than Apple fanboys.

XIII said,

Sorry pal, news site won't stick around for long if they only rely on rumor. What's next ? MSNBC and Fox News are made up of rumor and gossip, yeah right. Try harder, pal.
Well guess what, I got over MS for not releasing WP7 to HD2 by installing An-****ing-droid on it. It served me well than WM ever did so this has nothing to do with it. I am just saying that MS is not living up to its expectation a second time and people will still blindly buy their products regardless. MS fanboys are no better than Apple fanboys.

The only expectation people should be living upto is that MS said EARLY 2011. Engadget has had articles about rumors about a billion times in the past and they will continue to do so. If you don't understand the difference between a "source" and a "rumor" that isn't mine or anyone elses fault.

And don't even try to claim that your hatred against WP7 has nothing to do with your HD2 not getting it, I've seen enough of your trolling on the forums.

OH LOOK using the magical powers of Google, I even found the Engadget article in question:

Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' update hitting phones in early February, 'Mango' coming later with IE9?

Hm a question mark at the end of the title...obviously this means they're certain of these events happening right?

Edited by -Razorfold, Feb 10 2011, 6:42am :

MissingBonobo said,

Not quite. There is one version of WP7, versus at least 4 of Android that are still kicking around today


WP7 only came out what 3 months ago. Give it some time. MS would either ignore older phones or would lie like Apple and say that newer hardware is needed for certain features. At least with Android I can always root my phone and install the latest and greatest version.

While a lower end handset's performance might be inferior compared to a flagship device, you only get what you pay for. Again, with Android users at least have the choice. With Apple and WP7, if you don't want to shell > $500 (without a contract), no dice.

Android is considered fragmented largely due to Google's short release cycles. Google have stated that come next year, that would slow down. This should give handsetsoption enough time to reach EOL before several revisions of the OS are out.

recursive said,

Android is considered fragmented largely due to Google's short release cycles. Google have stated that come next year, that would slow down. This should give handsetsoption enough time to reach EOL before several revisions of the OS are out.

More like it has to do with carriers and OEMs being retarded. My roomate's Samsung Captivate (AT&T version of Galaxy S) still hasn't got Froyo (officially) even though it was promised back in October, and then delayed till November and well here we are in Feb 2011.

/- Razorfold said,

The only expectation people should be living upto is that MS said EARLY 2011. Engadget has had articles about rumors about a billion times in the past and they will continue to do so. If you don't understand the difference between a "source" and a "rumor" that isn't mine or anyone elses fault.

And don't even try to claim that your hatred against WP7 has nothing to do with your HD2 not getting it, I've seen enough of your trolling on the forums.

OH LOOK using the magical powers of Google, I even found the Engadget article in question:


Hm a question mark at the end of the title...obviously this means they're certain of these events happening right?


Here are more news from other sources. They even said the update will be released in early February after the carriers sign off:
http://www.appolicious.com/fin...ned-in-time-for-ces-keynote
http://www.mydaily-gadget.com/...-1st-windows-phone-7-update
Any you can search around but the general consensus was that the update was bound to be released on early February. Now they missed the boat, they just came out and said: "oops, we have never said such a thing. You must have misheard ..." How you can buy this BS is beyond my understanding.

XIII said,

Any you can search around but the general consensus was that the update was bound to be released on early February.

General consensus eh? Sure sounds like rumor to me rather than FACT.

Paul Thurott reports in Windows Phone Secrets how the Redmond, Wash. crew will tackle updates for WP7: It won't ship updates for individual problems. Rather, it will do updates in service packs as is done in the desktop Windows world.

Does Paul Thurott work for Microsoft? Oh wait, no he doesn't. Has he been wrong about things out of Microsoft in the past? Oh yes he has.

Even during CES Ballmer and whoever that lady in charge of WP7 development was said EARLY 2011. If they had meant Feb, why the **** wouldn't they have said Feb? Use your god dam brains.

OH LOOK AGAIN USING THE MAGICAL POWERS OF GOOGLE

Unfortunately, the RUMOR regarding the first update coming to WP7 in late Jan. or early Feb, is not true. Seems like this one got out of hand. All the major tech sites and blogs have been reporting for months about this update, yet it was never confirmed by anyone at Microsoft.

“Over the next few months we will be delivering a series of platform improvements that show we are taking feedback to heart in an effort to continue to enhance the products we release. The updates will be released automatically and will include a few changes“.via wpcentral

Source: http://windowsphonemedia.com/2...ome-in-the-next-few-months/

http://www.wpcentral.com/ces-2011-microsoft-keynote-address

/- Razorfold said,

General consensus eh? Sure sounds like rumor to me rather than FACT.


Does Paul Thurott work for Microsoft? Oh wait, no he doesn't. Has he been wrong about things out of Microsoft in the past? Oh yes he has.

Even during CES Ballmer and whoever that lady in charge of WP7 development was said EARLY 2011. If they had meant Feb, why the **** wouldn't they have said Feb? Use your god dam brains.

OH LOOK AGAIN USING THE MAGICAL POWERS OF GOOGLE

Source: http://windowsphonemedia.com/2...ome-in-the-next-few-months/

http://www.wpcentral.com/ces-2011-microsoft-keynote-address


Ok then, if you can use your god-damn brain, why don't you come up with an explanation to convince me how did the January and February release date come up in these news ? Only nut jobs would believe that people can just go around starting some rumors and call it news.

Ok then, if you can use your god-damn brain, why don't you come up with an explanation to convince me how did the January and February release date come up in these news ?

Rumors make news btw.

XIII said,
Only nut jobs would believe that people can just go around starting some rumors and call it news.
Ever been on the internet in the past 5 years? How many Apple rumors have you seen that have made news? Oh look there's one right below this article "iPad 3 due in 2011" Then there's the "Nokia phone with WP7" rumor...the rumor that the next Apple TV will support gaming."

Go back a few months you had rumors of the iPad having a 2560xsomething screen, the iPad having a retina display, the iPhone 5 having a dual core processor"...I could go on

/- Razorfold said,

Rumors make news btw.

Ever been on the internet in the past 5 years? How many Apple rumors have you seen that have made news? Oh look there's one right below this article "iPad 3 due in 2011" Then there's the "Nokia phone with WP7" rumor...the rumor that the next Apple TV will support gaming."

Go back a few months you had rumors of the iPad having a 2560xsomething screen, the iPad having a retina display, the iPhone 5 having a dual core processor"...I could go on


So, in conclusion, this news item is a rumour, because I don't think the author works for MS either, although I'm pretty sure he would love to.

recursive said,

WP7 only came out what 3 months ago. Give it some time. MS would either ignore older phones or would lie like Apple and say that newer hardware is needed for certain features. At least with Android I can always root my phone and install the latest and greatest version.

While a lower end handset's performance might be inferior compared to a flagship device, you only get what you pay for. Again, with Android users at least have the choice. With Apple and WP7, if you don't want to shell > $500 (without a contract), no dice.

Android is considered fragmented largely due to Google's short release cycles. Google have stated that come next year, that would slow down. This should give handsetsoption enough time to reach EOL before several revisions of the OS are out.

Those are solid points. I do have to conceed that there are more options available for different financial sections for Android, something both the iPhone and WP7 lack.

Whether Microsoft will drop compatibility with older devices in the future is anyone's guess at this point. I hope not, but if so, I'll probably be eligible for an upgrade by that point, and won't really have to worry about it (but that's just me).

It's actually nice to have a civil conversation about the differences between mobile OS's without it degrading to "M$ IS TEH SUXORZ" or "You're just an iSheep" or "LOL @ FANDROID". Thanks

recursive said,

So, in conclusion, this news item is a rumour, because I don't think the author works for MS either, although I'm pretty sure he would love to.

I wouldn't be surprised if the update will be pushed again to April. Nothing is certain at this point. Arguing about rumors is stupid and I have to admit that.

XIII said,

Ok then, if you can use your god-damn brain, why don't you come up with an explanation to convince me how did the January and February release date come up in these news ?

People thought the update would come in January because CES 2011 was in January.

Then people thought the update would come in February because MWC 2011 is in February (next week).

All based on assumptions. Everyone was wrong.

XIII said,

Yeah right so where would Engadget get its news from then ? Engadget is a reliable news site, at least it is not biased like many other sites out there. So what's next ? MSNBC news, Fox News are not reliable. Obama didn't say so but the news made it up. Give me a break and please spare me the BS, you should be the one that need to stfu ... Let's just deny and pretend something unpleasant has never existed, WWII had never happened. People just made it up...

You fool.

XIII said,

Here are more news from other sources. They even said the update will be released in early February after the carriers sign off:
http://www.appolicious.com/fin...ned-in-time-for-ces-keynote
http://www.mydaily-gadget.com/...-1st-windows-phone-7-update
Any you can search around but the general consensus was that the update was bound to be released on early February. Now they missed the boat, they just came out and said: "oops, we have never said such a thing. You must have misheard ..." How you can buy this BS is beyond my understanding.

MICROSOFT never mad a formal announcement. And just like any other company that releases something, until they announce when it's coming out, it is RUMOR... Microsoft WILL announce this update when it is ready to come out and a date has been set, trust me. LOL

I don't understand people that rely on rumor and refuse to accept that a company WANTS you to know when their new products come out... Seriously, they really do. They WILL announce a date when they're ready...

Between all the issues I've had with my Dell Venue Pro and now Microsoft not being able to stay on a promised release schedule, this POS phoen is getting returned. Sorry Microsoft and Dell, I've been a long time Windows Mobile user but I'm fed up.

Yagi said,
Between all the issues I've had with my Dell Venue Pro and now Microsoft not being able to stay on a promised release schedule, this POS phoen is getting returned. Sorry Microsoft and Dell, I've been a long time Windows Mobile user but I'm fed up.

What release schedule? They haven't pinned a date yet.

Yagi said,
Between all the issues I've had with my Dell Venue Pro and now Microsoft not being able to stay on a promised release schedule, this POS phoen is getting returned. Sorry Microsoft and Dell, I've been a long time Windows Mobile user but I'm fed up.

LOL, join the Android army, you will be more than welcomed. Using Android on my HD2 and have never looked back.

Yagi said,
Between all the issues I've had with my Dell Venue Pro and now Microsoft not being able to stay on a promised release schedule, this POS phoen is getting returned. Sorry Microsoft and Dell, I've been a long time Windows Mobile user but I'm fed up.

what is with all these people that say there was a schedule?!?!?!?! they said early 2011! March is early in the year! did you expect early to equal January 3rd or something????

You're all right, they never said January. All they said in every event from launch to all things d that it would be early next year. Not first quarter, not first half, there was always a huge emphasis on early. With all the emphasis and then the update page saying January it made me and many believe January.

Yagi said,
Between all the issues I've had with my Dell Venue Pro and now Microsoft not being able to stay on a promised release schedule, this POS phoen is getting returned. Sorry Microsoft and Dell, I've been a long time Windows Mobile user but I'm fed up.

No update is going to fix that. Dell is shipping the Venue Pro out with defect SD card.

Lol, wtf? I don't think they ever gave a definitive release date other than saying an update will be ready for Q1 2011.

day2die said,

No update is going to fix that. Dell is shipping the Venue Pro out with defect SD card.

Yup! It apparently seems so!

Yagi said,
Between all the issues I've had with my Dell Venue Pro and now Microsoft not being able to stay on a promised release schedule, this POS phoen is getting returned. Sorry Microsoft and Dell, I've been a long time Windows Mobile user but I'm fed up.

Really? I LOVE my Venue Pro and there is nothing about WP7 other than minor performance issues that make me wanna return my phone.

Lachlan said,

what is with all these people that say there was a schedule?!?!?!?! they said early 2011! March is early in the year! did you expect early to equal January 3rd or something????


Yeah, MS only needs to give out a tentative schedule and fanboys will handle the rest. There are many reliable sources out there including engadget reported a February release day and now it got pushed back.

Edited by XIII, Feb 10 2011, 3:56am :

NPGMBR said,

Really? I LOVE my Venue Pro and there is nothing about WP7 other than minor performance issues that make me wanna return my phone.


It mean IF your Venue Pro has a defect SD card. Not all of them have defect SD card.

XIII said,

Yeah, MS only needs to give out a tentative schedule and fanboys will handle the rest. There are many reliable sources out there including engadget reported a February release day and now it got pushed back.

I always get a kick out of this, it's funny how fanboy A (that's you) posts in the comment section or thread calling everyone else a fanboy over a topic fanboy A (ya, still you) supposidly doesn't like and care about yet can still be found posting away. But hell, trolls have to eat to, ain't that right fanboy A?

rfirth said,
Why, Microsoft, why?!?

I've heard from a developer a month ago (I don't remember where), but the Zune Software crashed during the update bricking his Samsung Taylor and he had to do a hard reset.

day2die said,

I've heard from a developer a month ago (I don't remember where), but the Zune Software crashed during the update bricking his Samsung Taylor and he had to do a hard reset.

This is all heresay, but: the "NoDo" update was already done since January, but Microsoft is having issues (which doesn't have anything to do with carriers) rolling out the update. In fact, the next update (which is NOT mango) is almost done, but is being put on hold until Microsoft can figure out the update process.

The next update (not mango) will have custom ringtones (finally!), connect to hidden Wi-Fi and something about Outlook. There will be a small tweaks to Internet Explorer Mobile, but nothing major: it's still IE Mobile 7.

day2die said,

This is all heresay, but: the "NoDo" update was already done since January, but Microsoft is having issues (which doesn't have anything to do with carriers) rolling out the update. In fact, the next update (which is NOT mango) is almost done, but is being put on hold until Microsoft can figure out the update process.

The next update (not mango) will have custom ringtones (finally!), connect to hidden Wi-Fi and something about Outlook. There will be a small tweaks to Internet Explorer Mobile, but nothing major: it's still IE Mobile 7.

I hope this is true. It would be nice if they went through all of this purported trouble and then were able to rapid fire two updates before the summer, which would then hopefully feature the multitasking and IE9 integration.

I wish they would leak this through normal channels (Paul Thurott comes to mind), or the lady on ZDNet. I can forgive update delays for a good reason. I cannot forgive them just because they feel like playing games.

Owen W said,

Yes

I'm going to go cry myself to sleep now....

I bought my Samsung Focus because the updates were supposed to come faster than Android, not 2 months late like Android.

Omen1393 said,

I'm going to go cry myself to sleep now....

I bought my Samsung Focus because the updates were supposed to come faster than Android, not 2 months late like Android.


It's not late, noone has set a date in stone, and its still 10x faster.

Owen W said,
It's not late, noone has set a date in stone, and its still 10x faster.
I love the Windows Phone 7, but Microsoft is really dropping the ball with this.

Don't forget about this:

http://www.microsoft.com/windo...eatures/january-update.aspx ("january-update.aspx")

It has pretty clearly been coming in late January or early February. I'm not taking a shot at Microsoft over this, but it is absolutely disappointing. It's hard to brag about it when a key point is quick updates and they have yet to release one.

Owen W said,

It's not late, noone has set a date in stone, and its still 10x faster.

If Android was intentionally crippled / locked to the point that it needs a Windows computer with Zune just to copy a few songs and with fewer visual / 3D effects it would be just as fast if not faster.

recursive said,

If Android was intentionally crippled / locked to the point that it needs a Windows computer with Zune just to copy a few songs and with fewer visual / 3D effects it would be just as fast if not faster.
Too bad android is already crippled when you buy it from a carrier right? Like how AT&T prevents you from Sideloading...or how carriers fill your phone with trash which leads to it becoming slow.

I know you can root it, but 90% of people who buy phones won't. They'll just use what's given to them. Apple, somehow, managed to force carriers into not doing that ****..and that's the way it should be tbh.

recursive said,

If Android was intentionally crippled / locked to the point that it needs a Windows computer with Zune just to copy a few songs and with fewer visual / 3D effects it would be just as fast if not faster.

Mac has the sync tool.
Zune > WMP syncing > Explorer drag and dropping
If you use Linux.... I think you wouldnt be using a WP7 anyways.

Yes I have a rooted Droid X and have had an iPhone, but WP7 is next when it comes to VZW.

recursive said,

If Android was intentionally crippled / locked to the point that it needs a Windows computer with Zune just to copy a few songs and with fewer visual / 3D effects it would be just as fast if not faster.

You're joking right? You're saying Android has more 3D effects than WP7? Right now, there are more decent games on WP7 than Android. Android has... Angry Birds. Wow. Fun....

Owen W said,

It's not late, noone has set a date in stone, and its still 10x faster.

Yeah, but can you get audio over bluetooth with Netflix or any video?

recursive said,

If Android was intentionally crippled / locked to the point that it needs a Windows computer with Zune just to copy a few songs and with fewer visual / 3D effects it would be just as fast if not faster.

I think it is more because of company who builds the phone and the carriers are slow.

yardman said,
Nooooooo say it ain't so...

The date is all over the place. Earlier, I heard that the update will be release in April after Ballmer announce it in Mobile World Congress.