Forbes: Microsoft not as innovative as Apple and Google

Microsoft hasn't had the best year when it comes to being classed as innovative. Earlier in the year, the former CEO of Google Eric Schmidt, snubbed Microsoft as not being innovative enough to be classed as being in the big four. In a statistics report published by Forbes, it further hints to the fact that Microsoft is not excelling as much as its competitors in the computer industry.

Below are the 10 most innovative companies that Forbes has identified, with Microsoft added to the bottom:

Rank Company 5-Year Avg. Sales Growth 5-Year Avg. Net Income Growth Enterprise Value ($)
1 Salesforce.com 39.5% 78.7% 20.7
2 Amazon.com 32.0% 37.6% 92.7
3 Intuitive Surgical 43.4% 36.4% 13.4
4 Tencent Holdings 69.0% 75.4% 46.5
5 Apple 35.1% 60.7% 303.4
6 Hindustan Unilever 10.0% 4.0% 15.5
7 Google 35.0% 37.1% 138.1
8 Natura Cosméticos 17.0% 13.5% 10.2
9 Bharat Heavy Electricals 27.2% 25.0% 19.5
10 Monsanto 13.4% 44.7% 41.3
86 Microsoft 9.7% 8.3% 186

 

As seen from the table, while Microsoft has a significant value price, the growth of the company is relatively minimal compared to competitors. Some have speculated that the slower growth is due to Microsoft's success and dependence on its traditional products such as Windows and Office, as well as the Xbox. It is worthy to note that while the report by Forbes takes into account business success, it does not consider the innovative ideas that corporations may produce but otherwise choose not to implement.

The news hasn't been great for Microsoft this week, after it was announced that the Windows Mobile/Phone platforms had fallen in market share from March to June. A lot will be riding on the Mango update in order to increase customers and deliver a greater presence in the smartphone market. The Redmond based company also has high hopes for the success of the upcoming Windows 8 operating system that will be compatible on both PCs and tablets.

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A product is innovative if it has the market share to back it up. I mean if people didn't want it, then it wasn't innovative. Very simple formula.

People are buying iPad for their preferred tablets. People are buying Android for their preferred smartphones.

How I view Microsoft is like this.

The Good
- Windows 7 is a great OS. It's stable and fast. However, I really can't think of anything so innovative on it.
- Microsoft Office we have no choice but to use it. It is so heavily used by everyone that it is just there. Which is not necessarily a bad thing. The only innovative feature on it was the ribbon. It offered a new user experience. But it's not an innovative technology people will really brag about.

The Innovative
- Xbox 360 (Specifically the Kinect) It's a great device and hopefully it comes to Windows OS soon.

The Bad
- Windows Phone 7 is loosing Market share every quarter. People are banking on Mango (the catchup update). But by the time it comes out, it will be too late.
- Internet Explorer is trying to get better on every release. It's basically playing catchup.
- Xbox 360 (Specifically The 'Xbox Live Gold' account) You have to buy it in order to use Last FM, Netflix, Facebook, Twitter, Hulu, etc... Really bad idea.
- The Zune - While the Zune software is amazing (it really is so much better than iTunes), the hardware is decent enough to be a replacement for the iPod. However, Microsoft poorly marketed it. It was a US only device for it's first year. It wasn't priced competitive enough to switch you from Apple. When you are talking about a $20 difference, people will still buy a name they trust when it comes to MP3 players (which is Apple). Second, the Zune Music is great. I won't get into how it's not available in Europe because that's not Microsoft's fault. Those are licensing agreements.However, they should have opened up to the iPhone, iPad and Android as a service (similar to Spotify). I can't blame them for keeping it exclusive to WP7 since it is a dangling carrot to try and string you in to buy WP7. But in the end, there are other services that offer more music than Zune that is readily available on the iOS and Android platform.

As usual the typical Microsoft fanboy will read this and call me a troll (because we all know, if you have a differing opinion from these morons, then you are automatically a troll)

Full disclosure: I own a Android phone, an Android Tablet, an iPad 2, Xbox 360, 2 Windows 7 Desktops, 1 Windows 7 Netbook, a Chromebook, a Xbox 360 Elite (with no Kinect) and a Zune HD. I also cancelled my Zune Membership to join Spotify and I do have an Xbox Live Gold account for my Netflix account.

This is not a troll comment but the previous one I commented on was. Looks like you suffer from mood changes?

Coi said,
This is not a troll comment but the previous one I commented on was. Looks like you suffer from mood changes?

Nope, I just cleared it up for you because you spammed the original one. I really only elaborated more but the general thought is there from the original statement.

UndergroundWire said,
A product is innovative if it has the market share to back it up. I mean if people didn't want it, then it wasn't innovative. Very simple formula.

People are buying iPad for their preferred tablets. People are buying Android for their preferred smartphones.

How I view Microsoft is like this.

The Good
- Windows 7 is a great OS. It's stable and fast. However, I really can't think of anything so innovative on it.
- Microsoft Office we have no choice but to use it. It is so heavily used by everyone that it is just there. Which is not necessarily a bad thing. The only innovative feature on it was the ribbon. It offered a new user experience. But it's not an innovative technology people will really brag about.

The Innovative
- Xbox 360 (Specifically the Kinect) It's a great device and hopefully it comes to Windows OS soon.

The Bad
- Windows Phone 7 is loosing Market share every quarter. People are banking on Mango (the catchup update). But by the time it comes out, it will be too late.
- Internet Explorer is trying to get better on every release. It's basically playing catchup.
- Xbox 360 (Specifically The 'Xbox Live Gold' account) You have to buy it in order to use Last FM, Netflix, Facebook, Twitter, Hulu, etc... Really bad idea.
- The Zune - While the Zune software is amazing (it really is so much better than iTunes), the hardware is decent enough to be a replacement for the iPod. However, Microsoft poorly marketed it. It was a US only device for it's first year. It wasn't priced competitive enough to switch you from Apple. When you are talking about a $20 difference, people will still buy a name they trust when it comes to MP3 players (which is Apple). Second, the Zune Music is great. I won't get into how it's not available in Europe because that's not Microsoft's fault. Those are licensing agreements.However, they should have opened up to the iPhone, iPad and Android as a service (similar to Spotify). I can't blame them for keeping it exclusive to WP7 since it is a dangling carrot to try and string you in to buy WP7. But in the end, there are other services that offer more music than Zune that is readily available on the iOS and Android platform.

As usual the typical Microsoft fanboy will read this and call me a troll (because we all know, if you have a differing opinion from these morons, then you are automatically a troll)

Full disclosure: I own a Android phone, an Android Tablet, an iPad 2, Xbox 360, 2 Windows 7 Desktops, 1 Windows 7 Netbook, a Chromebook, a Xbox 360 Elite (with no Kinect) and a Zune HD. I also cancelled my Zune Membership to join Spotify and I do have an Xbox Live Gold account for my Netflix account.

Wait a minute, "A product is innovative if it has the market share to back it up. Very simple formula," and then you state in your first example (with the OS that has the highest marketshare) "I really can't think of anything so innovative on it."

Ok, so even your own very simple formula is one you're contradicting in your very first example, which means the rest of your post is worthless.

Fact 1: Windows MOBILE is losing market share, Windows Phone is gaining. The problem is there were still a TON of Windows Mobile users out there, so the rate at which they were leaving Windows Mobile was not equal to the rate at which Windows Phone was/is being adopted. The numbers given by sites are combined, and May & June were equal, which means the point of balance has been reached, and you'll now see the numbers start to climb back up as the rate of adoption for Windows Phone is outpacing the rate users are leaving Windows Mobile.

Fact 2: Xbox LIVE Gold is also a gateway in that you have to pay money to play online. This fact helps keep at least a portion of the community honest as it means you have something to lose when you get banned. People don't like it when you hit them in the pocketbook for their bad behavior. This is something I know firsthand from working at MS.

Fact 3: You totally forget to mention the one thing Zune has that iTunes, and many of the other services don't have. Zune Pass. That's one hell of an incentive to use the Zune 'ecosystem' over the iTunes. Also since you claim to own an HD, yup about $20 less, with OLED, FM/HD Radio, and other features the iPod line didn't (and still doesn't) have. So you pay $20 AND get more.


BTW I'd only call you a troll because of how you call those of us who like MS fanboys & morons. You make it too easy to spot you.

Sounds like the article should be about how Forbes are business speculators.

By this measure of innovation, resource speculators would top the list.

Forbes, you actually think Apple is more innovative vs Microsoft? Apple is a hardware company, Microsoft makes software. If Microsoft made hardware, they would kick Apple's @$$.

Actually, show me what Apple has innovated? OSX isn't innovative by a mile vs Windows. OSX is basically the garbage Steve Jobs made when he was at NexT and that NExtStep OS that was junk from day one. Then he brought that crap over to Pple when he came back.

Whats innovative about iOS? Nothing. The phones are just hardware and Apple surely didnt do anything inniovative there. They just use ceramics in place of plastic for metrials. Thats not innovation.

The tablet? Its not innovative. Its just a better form factor. Microsoft already had this concept years ago but left it to pc makers to make the dream real. They couldnt get their heads out the laptop world and basically took the laptop and flipped the screen. MS should have force some type of tablet sans the keyboard. But its not their job to police the tech industry.

Hey Forbes, show me the list of Apple's innovations.

Microsoft's Business Model and Marketing Strategies are NOT Innovative,
Technology wise it's one of the most Innovative Company, no one can match Microsoft Research. But they waste a lot of time implementing it (but it's real good), and when final product comes out everyone has copied and implemented it in not so polished way.

On the other hand Google copies stuff, buys start-ups and implements the technology in raw form (they always have ‘free product' excuse) and overtime they polish it.

Apple has different set of users,
1) Naïve users who don't know much about technology. So when Steve Jobs introduces a 5-year old feature as revolutionary, they believe him.
2) Morons who think it's cool to have Apple Stuff. They buy products just to brag about it.

Timing is very important while launching a new type of product, and generally Microsoft sucks at it (Except of course Kinect and Xbox Live) . Microsoft Introduced Tablets in 2001, when generally public was not into technology, and Laptops was not a common device. But now Smartphones developed a way for Tablets, it was natural time to introduce Tablets. Though Microsoft was the first, but they are 2-3 years behind everyone. Also Microsoft Introduces Mesh and Syncing services way back, when people didn't have multiples devices like Desktop, Laptops, Tablets, Gaming Consoles and Smartphones to sync content.

Microsoft is definitely dealing with a massive bad reputation issue. Everybody loves to diss Microsoft. even though in actuallity, Windows 7 has a very high customer satisfaction rate, Office sell like hot cakes, Xbox is a success, Kinect kicked all other consoles out of the water, SYNC is so good some people deiced to buy Fords just because of it, and Windows Phone is constantly reviewed as one of the best phones out there. I see it every day, people loving using Windows 7 and Office dissing Microsoft just because is in fashion to do so. MS has made their mistakes, granted, and because of their model they might be slower to bring innovation to fruiction, but once they get everything straighten up, they are solid, and everything converges into integration, compatibility and a consistent ecosystem. When you have a report that claims that Starbucks, Adobe, Pepsi, Nintendo are more innovative than Microsoft, with its Research labs and their over 10 thousand patents, then you know that the report is flawed. In this case, it is because as it says below it : "The Innovation Premium is a measure of how much investors have bid up the stock price of a company above the value of its existing business based on expectations of future innovative results (new products, services and markets)". So if a company produces so much buzz with their 'innovations' as to create high expectations, then it will be more 'innovative'?

Wow, what an informative article, Captain Obvious! Microsoft = business standard, therefore no need to be innovative.

Wow Forbes...thanks for telling the whole world what they already know. Tho, as of late...Apple has been losing its innovation. Shall see if they can get it back....

Microsoft has developed the heart of most technologies in use today by Apple and Google, and yet we should judge them based on money?

Does this mean the OSS community is worthless for technology, as they make nothing for their work?

Money is not a measure of anything but money.

FMH said,
Microsoft Research spend over $9 billion in 2010.
Apple only spend around $2 billion.

But how much does Apple spend on future technologies where they can utilize it in the future when it's more cost effective? You need to get the whole picture here not just a piece of the pie.

Apple is notorious on investing in future technologies. They invest in patents that deal with futuristic technologies. 5 years down the line, they can utilize those patents when parts and manufacturing are cheap enough for them to make a profit.

An interesting read: http://www.alltechnologynews.c...gy-for-future-products.html

I hope you see the big picture know and stop these figure as a "defense" for Microsoft because that is just silly.

UndergroundWire said,

But how much does Apple spend on future technologies where they can utilize it in the future when it's more cost effective? You need to get the whole picture here not just a piece of the pie.

Apple is notorious on investing in future technologies. They invest in patents that deal with futuristic technologies. 5 years down the line, they can utilize those patents when parts and manufacturing are cheap enough for them to make a profit.

An interesting read: http://www.alltechnologynews.c...gy-for-future-products.html

I hope you see the big picture know and stop these figure as a "defense" for Microsoft because that is just silly.



If you had seen some of the prototype products MS Research has created, you would be extremely shocked. And ofcourse they patent it.

For instance they made a monitor which showed two people different content, say movies. And even when they moved their head they would flawlessly see their movie and not see what the other person is watching! That is just one of the things, and Microsoft and IBM, are far into patenting the"future" than Apple, judging by the number and diversity of patents.
And for example, if impossibly every thing Microsoft fails, it can never die, according to analysts. Because they have a clossal amount of patents, which they could license, quite well into the future. They have the second number of 'largest amount of patents' held by a company, after IBM.

FMH said,


If you had seen some of the prototype products MS Research has created, you would be extremely shocked. And ofcourse they patent it.

For instance they made a monitor which showed two people different content, say movies. And even when they moved their head they would flawlessly see their movie and not see what the other person is watching! That is just one of the things, and Microsoft and IBM, are far into patenting the"future" than Apple, judging by the number and diversity of patents.
And for example, if impossibly every thing Microsoft fails, it can never die, according to analysts. Because they have a clossal amount of patents, which they could license, quite well into the future. They have the second number of 'largest amount of patents' held by a company, after IBM.

Research does not mean innovative if they can't bring it out to the consumers. Look at the Surface table. Where is it? I saw all those fancy commercials for it and never did I see it hit consumers. Only 1 or two restaurants in Vegas have it as far as I know.

It's stuff like that which doesn't make them innovative. I would love for a consumer version to come out. It doesn't have to be as big as the $10,000 version it can be as big as two iPads.

The stuff you describe sound great on paper but if it doesn't make it to the consumers then it never existed. Thus no innovation. We all know Microsoft is a successful company. Just like Google and Apple. Remember this too, Innovation does not always mean successful. I think people that are fans of Microsoft are up in arms because they are getting the two things confused. So big deal, Microsoft is not as innovative as Google or Apple but you know what, they are doing pretty good, business wise.

And who knows, the tides always turn.

UndergroundWire said,

Research does not mean innovative if they can't bring it out to the consumers. Look at the Surface table. Where is it? I saw all those fancy commercials for it and never did I see it hit consumers. Only 1 or two restaurants in Vegas have it as far as I know.

It's stuff like that which doesn't make them innovative. I would love for a consumer version to come out. It doesn't have to be as big as the $10,000 version it can be as big as two iPads.

The stuff you describe sound great on paper but if it doesn't make it to the consumers then it never existed. Thus no innovation. We all know Microsoft is a successful company. Just like Google and Apple. Remember this too, Innovation does not always mean successful. I think people that are fans of Microsoft are up in arms because they are getting the two things confused. So big deal, Microsoft is not as innovative as Google or Apple but you know what, they are doing pretty good, business wise.

And who knows, the tides always turn.

Keep your eyes out for Surface V2. The problem with Surface V1 is that at the time they were coming out with it it required a bigger footprint and that wouldn't work for a lot of restaurant applications and the like.

The newer version of Surface requires a LOT less footprint and will finally work perfectly for the original vision they had for the platform.

Mountain Dew said,

Keep your eyes out for Surface V2. The problem with Surface V1 is that at the time they were coming out with it it required a bigger footprint and that wouldn't work for a lot of restaurant applications and the like.

The newer version of Surface requires a LOT less footprint and will finally work perfectly for the original vision they had for the platform.

When? Is this for consumers too (that was part of their original vision)?

I am getting a feeling that these blog sites that have been scooped up by bigger companies have all turned into just magnets to trigger clicks by putting outrageous titles and headlines, just as bait for people to click on and generate comments. Because that is how a site is values nowadays, not the value/correctness of the content, but the amount of hits it generates. At the rate downward Neowin is going, we might as well get our technology news from some internet porn site, at least the content there is what one expects to get.

ThePitt said,
Kinect/360.

Kinect wasn't Microsoft's invention, the technology was acquired during the acquisition of a tech firm based in India. (True Story)

WJrandon said,

Kinect wasn't Microsoft's invention, the technology was acquired during the acquisition of a tech firm based in India. (True Story)

Microsoft still made Kinect what it is though through research, much development, and many of the features they added and have added since. They acquired some of the technology; they didn't acquire Kinect as is.

WJrandon said,

Kinect wasn't Microsoft's invention, the technology was acquired during the acquisition of a tech firm based in India. (True Story)

Sorry Kinect was started as an incubation project years ago, and was spearheaded at MS Research.

Microsoft did have PrimeSense work on the depth sensor chip, and bought 3DV systems, both of which are in Israel, not India.

So, can you clarify what the 'true story' part of your story is?

Windows 7
Xbox Live / Xbox / Xbox game studios
Kinect
Office 2010 / Exchange / Microsoft Lync
World Wide Telescpe

Screw forbes and their pathetic idea of "innovation"

spudtrooper said,
Windows 7
Xbox Live / Xbox / Xbox game studios
Kinect
Office 2010 / Exchange / Microsoft Lync
World Wide Telescpe

Screw forbes and their pathetic idea of "innovation"


And Windows Phone 7 which is the most innovative smartphone operating system currently out due to its unique features, the hubs, and the live tiles/Start Screen (which is nothing like anything ever seen on a smartphone operating system and is much more useful than a menu of static icons).

Callum said,

And Windows Phone 7 which is the most innovative smartphone operating system currently out due to its unique features, the hubs, and the live tiles/Start Screen (which is nothing like anything ever seen on a smartphone operating system and is much more useful than a menu of static icons).

It's so innovative that Mango will play catchup.

UndergroundWire said,

It's so innovative that Mango will play catchup.

Catchup? It was quite ahead on a few things, including the deep integration with Xbox LIVE & Zune Pass. It was ahead on a lot, and behind on a little. NoDo took care of a few things, and Mango will take care of the rest.

There's a lot of things Windows Phone does that iPhone & Android can't even dream of yet.

Eric Schmidt and Forbes should ****off. Monsanto more innovative than MS? BY 76 POSITIONS?

Wow, that's some epic MS hate right there.

Soulsiphon said,
Eric Schmidt and Forbes should ****off. Monsanto more innovative than MS? BY 76 POSITIONS?

Wow, that's some epic MS hate right there.

Of course, because Monsanto managed to corner the American seed market without a hint of antitrust.

Microsoft couldn't do that in their respective field.

Stupid comparison. They should compare Microsoft to Oracle, IBM and not to companies that started from nowhere a few years ago.

AtriusNY said,
Stupid comparison. They should compare Microsoft to Oracle, IBM and not to companies that started from nowhere a few years ago.

+1

ok whatever!!

Apple - iPhone, iPad, iPod, Lion, MacBook Air
Google - Android, Gmail, Map, Plus, Cloud Music

What Microsoft do?

Microsoft - Windows Phone 7, Windows 7, Office 2010, Kinect (major one), Windows Phone Mango, Home Server, Bing, Bing Map, Windows Live Suite, Skydrive, Photosync, etc in roughly 1-2 years.

Now tell me who do more?

satus said,
ok whatever!!

Apple - iPhone, iPad, iPod, Lion, MacBook Air
Google - Android, Gmail, Map, Plus, Cloud Music

What Microsoft do?

Microsoft - Windows Phone 7, Windows 7, Office 2010, Kinect (major one), Windows Phone Mango, Home Server, Bing, Bing Map, Windows Live Suite, Skydrive, Photosync, etc in roughly 1-2 years.

Now tell me who do more?

What about World Wide Telescope. Thats come cool ****!

Since when did innovation == growth ?

Microsoft came up with the tablet, but Apple made money from it.
Zune was a great device and innovative service, Apple and Rdio/Spotify etc made money from it.

You could argue Microsoft are ahead of the curve, but are either too early to make it a success, or they fail at pushing the benefits.

Some of these companies I've never heard of. But Forbes, who has 0% innovation places Microsoft on the 86th place. And people are wondering why the American economy is tanking? Because fools that run these companies put these dumb statistics in CEO's head, who in turn run of to China an invest in those "innovative" countries. Just give me a break.

vhaakmat said,
Some of these companies I've never heard of. But Forbes, who has 0% innovation places Microsoft on the 86th place. And people are wondering why the American economy is tanking? Because fools that run these companies put these dumb statistics in CEO's head, who in turn run of to China an invest in those "innovative" countries. Just give me a break.

I read this article and the first thing I think of is journalism major, absolutely no concept of enterprise technology of software engineering on any scale.

This person only understands that they like their iPad and MacBook pro.

Another silly arse article with no substance.

Maybe not innovative, but def putting out solid products recently and taking a consumer approach, in other words putting customers first.

They've come a long way from 7 years ago, when I would hate to utter the Microsoft brand.

How is income any indicator of being innovative? Apple overcharge for their crap, non innovative fashion items. Microsoft spend billions every year on changing the way we live (alot don't go anywhere, but alot does help non-directly). And, according to this "report" by forbes. Kinect is less innovative as a laptop that runs a full screen web-browser? LOLWUT.

Xerax said,
How is income any indicator of being innovative? Apple overcharge for their crap, non innovative fashion items. Microsoft spend billions every year on changing the way we live (alot don't go anywhere, but alot does help non-directly). And, according to this "report" by forbes. Kinect is less innovative as a laptop that runs a full screen web-browser? LOLWUT.

Yo I got full screen apps running on two screens. I'm innovative!

Comparing a piece of hardware that has had years of development and millions of dollars of R&D to one feature of a $29 operating system upgrade.

Nice.

virtorio said,
Comparing a piece of hardware that has had years of development and millions of dollars of R&D to one feature of a $29 operating system upgrade.

Nice.

I was talking about ChromeOS Notebook...

virtorio said,
Comparing a piece of hardware that has had years of development and millions of dollars of R&D to one feature of a $29 operating system upgrade.

Apple makes nice products, but I would hardly consider iPads and iPhones to be immensely difficult to engineer, that would be something like engineering a car, you're talking several billion i'n R&D and 3-4 years of Dev time before interring the market.

Nice.


Xerax said,
I was talking about ChromeOS Notebook...

Everytime I see a ChromeOS Notebook I can't help but scream, "we've already been here and it failed monumentally!"

Remember 'Internet Devices'? cheap low cost devices that were going to be in ones kitchen? then there is the thin client being sold by the former offshoot of Oracle NetPC where there was much claim that the old PC had come to an end.

Mr Nom Nom's said,

Everytime I see a ChromeOS Notebook I can't help but scream, "we've already been here and it failed monumentally!"

This!

Forbes? Never heard of it. So, who the thell is interested in what these little, stupidly named, naive organisations have to say about Microsoft? They forgot many zeros after Apple's rank as well.

Coi said,
Forbes? Never heard of it. So, who the thell is interested in what these little, stupidly named, naive organisations have to say about Microsoft? They forgot many zeros after Apple's rank as well.

Forbes isn't a little organisation, but the article is flawed because it's not actually based on innovation as much as it is on how well it's doing on the stock market + hype.

Enron said,
it's not actually based on innovation as much as it is on how well it's doing on the stock market + hype.

Exactly. The truth is, Microsoft silently invents the technology and other companies go and copy / hype it.

х.iso said,
what can I say, innovation ≠ sales/income growth

Thank god someone said it - even as an 'Apple fanboy' the idea of linking profit growth with innovation is plain stupid. Microsoft is an IBM now, stable, reliable and long term investment where as Apple is growing fast now but eventually they too will become an IBM and quite frankly I don't see why people think that growth of what Apple achieves is something that can be achieve long term.

х.iso said,
what can I say, innovation ≠ sales/income growth
That was made clear in the first paragraphs.

While innovation can lead to increase growth and more sales, its wrong to make a direct correlation between them.

I think this will change once Windows 8 comes out but they should definitely be much higher than 86. Wasn't Kinect not too long ago crowned "Fastest-Selling Consumer Device" by Guinness?

HUL at 6 and BHEL at 9! If you have watched Indian television channels for more than 20 mins I can guarantee that you've seen at least 3 or more ads for various HUL products.

wmacdona said,
Apple = overpriced fashion accessories
Used by trendy Tech wannabees
Who love to be robbed by jobs.

So should I assume from your response that all Microsoft fans are totally ignorant? I mean, since we are making blanket assumptions here...

Phil D said,

So should I assume from your response that all Microsoft fans are totally ignorant? I mean, since we are making blanket assumptions here...

Assume whatever you want.
I believe most people that are not Apple fanboys, would agree with me.
And by the way, I am not a Microsoft fan at all.

wmacdona said,
Apple = overpriced fashion accessories
Used by trendy Tech wannabees
Who love to be robbed by jobs.

At a first brief glance I thought he'd written a Haiku

1. Microsoft spends more cash innervating
2. Microsoft makes the tech apple makes it popular, tablets for example
3. innervation does to mean successful product

DrakeN2k said,
1. Microsoft spends more cash innervating
2. Microsoft makes the tech apple makes it popular, tablets for example
3. innervation does to mean successful product

What is innervation?

this field is required said,

What is innervation?

He's innovating, obviously, by using a new, improved spelling. So, really, he's innervating... Lol

DrakeN2k said,
1. Microsoft spends more cash innervating
2. Microsoft makes the tech apple makes it popular, tablets for example
3. innervation does to mean successful product

I stopped trusting Forbes.

DrakeN2k said,
1. Microsoft spends more cash innervating
2. Microsoft makes the tech apple makes it popular, tablets for example
3. innervation does to mean successful product

Forbes seems to be equating high stock P/E and high sales increases with innovation.

So saleforce is regarded by Forbes as the most innovative company because it stock has a P/E of 396. Amazon P/E 89. Google 21. MSFT 9.5

Innovation: http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/innovation

[quote=Deviate_X said,]

Forbes seems to be equating high stock P/E and high sales increases with innovation.
[/quote

Surely in business though... thats exactly what innovation is about... innovating to drive sales.... increase profit.... and increase market value ?