From The Forums: Windows 8 Release Preview impressions

Microsoft launched the Windows 8 Release Preview build on May 31, a bit earlier than what the company had originally announced. As one might expect, the community members on Neowin's forums quickly started filling up a discussion threat with their impressions. As you might expect, the comments range from "Love it" to "Hate it."

One of the first impressions posts came from forum member Kristian, who wrote:

Liking it much better than the CP so far. Seems incredibly snappy and rock stable so far. Next step is to learn to like Metro I guess. I think for me it's just a matter of getting used to the new stuff, and then I will be fine with the Metro changes in the system. IMHO any comparison with Vista or ME is just silly!

The multi-monitor support for Windows 8's Metro interface didn't make forum member theyarecomingforyou happy. He writes:

Dragging a Metro app off one monitor will immediately maximise it to the next and you can't drag it back without clicking again. Further, whenever you access Metro Start on a different monitor it moves all Metro apps onto that monitor - any hopes of running multiple apps on different screens are gone. And Metro apps don't work with Aero Snap, meaning you can't drag a side-pinned app to the top of the screen to maximise it - you have to drag the separating bar. It's actually worse than before. I have absolutely no idea what Microsoft was thinking but the multi-monitor implementation is a complete joke and clearly wasn't put through any user testing.

Neowin forum member br0adband seems to like what he sees in the Release Preview. He writes:

Currently running the Release Preview (x86) on a ThinkPad T60 with 3GB and a Core Duo T2300, it's pretty damned snappy and responsive. Had some severe lag when it first hit the Desktop and also when I fired up the News and Weather and Finance apps in Metro but, probably just updates and downloading the most current info. Hit Windows Update and grabbed what was already there (several drivers, some patches, etc).

One forum member, Sszecret, has both good and bad things to say about Windows 8 Release Preview: He writes:

The good : It feels much faster than the CP, some of the color options for the Start Screen are actually really nice (though some of them are horrible in my view, and I would've wanted a couple more Start Screen backgrounds), there isn't such a big delay when I invoke the charms bar, the Switcher has a text label for each of the running apps, the All Apps section seems (maybe it's just me) a bit less crowded, though I installed the same number of apps as in the CP. Also, I like the tweaks to the Aero theme and I'm really digging the new cursor. The flattened ribbon is nice but I think it'll look its best when all the icons are metrofied. Other than that, it's been pretty stable.

The bad : The store seems to take forever to install an app, whenever I try to add a new account in Mail and I go to Settings > Accounts and I click Add a new account, the pane on the side (or however that's called) disappears. Just like that. I've tried it multiple times, I tried installing / uninstalling , pin / unpin and even "Refresh / Reset your PC" . Nothing works, so I believe it's a problem with the metro apps. Also, in Calendar, if I try to add a new account, the same thing happens, only this time, not only does the pane disappear, it closes the app and takes me back to the Start Screen. In Music, whenever I try to get to the playback controls (via right click), the menu appears on the bottom, stays there for like a second and then disappears. I installed all the updates, all the drivers, and I have the exact same setup I did when I installed the CP. (these apps worked prefectly for me)

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Metro apps not working like they should whenever I click on a app it takes me right back to the app screens and whenever I try to download and install new apps I get a error message all the time saying "Purchase Error This app isn't available right now. Please try again later." I didn't have this problem in Consumer. Am I the only one getting this message?

I will use Windows 8 for the Desktop new features IF there's a hack/tweak to disable the Start Screen. Don't have time to mess with this crap.

For IT technical administrative work and web development, Windows 8 is simply horrid in it's current state, but that is based on the consumer previews, the pro/enterprise versions might be different.
On the other hand, Windows Server 8 seems pretty much ok, with the exception of a missing menu at the desktop level.
Moving to a start screen is as crappy an option as having small apps and tools shortcuts cluttering the desktop for that sake.

Dunno what to say about speed, Windows 7 cold-boots up in 10 seconds already (powercfg -h off)

For personal use.. I might use it with a metro removal hack and some start menu application to slap on top.

Edited by Mineria, Jun 4 2012, 11:41am :

It's perfect. Best OS ever. I want to pay 4 times the money than the regular Windows 8 price for this. And sell my soul as well for dumbing down computing. NOT.

Decrease of UI effects and colors, it is logical that the OS seems faster. I'm still prefer Windows 7 UI and it's not a slow OS.

I installed it... then about a couple hours later uninstalled it. It takes a lot longer to uninstall, so I don't think I'll be installing it again.

Roguefoxx said,
I installed it... then about a couple hours later uninstalled it. It takes a lot longer to uninstall, so I don't think I'll be installing it again.

windows actually has an uninstall option?

Shadowzz said,

windows actually has an uninstall option?
It may be hard to wrap your little brain around this, but by removing the OS it is no longer there, thus it is uninstalled.

Turns out, the problems I've been having with the disappearing panes and Metro apps closing were due to a setting in the Ease of Access part of the Metro control panel. User "altr" suggested I turn off "Tab through web pages and apps using caret browsing". That solved the problem and now everything works fine.

Again, thanks altr.

Gave it a honest try. Hoped that the multi-monitor support was much better. Unfortunatly, it isn't. Far from it! When you pin a Metro app to your second screen, it looks fine. But when you open Start on your main monitor, all of the sudden the Metro app moves to the first monitor! Who comes up with this stuff? Looks like the m-m support was rushed, not a sane person in the world would release it like this.

Microsoft really need to get his act together.

1: A desktop is not a tablet
2: A tablet is not a desktop
3: Metro is the worst UI to use on a normal non-touch Desktop environment, it really is. The fullscreen apps are useless compared to normal desktop programs.

I believe that Apple made a smart move when facing the same problems. Their solution is to adapt the OS to the platform and just add useful stuff from iOS to OSX. Seems logical to me. Why on earth didn't Microsoft just make the most awesome desktop OS with useful features?

First, let the Metro apps just act like normal apps. Look at http://www.metrotwit.com looks awesome and is a perfect solution for the desktop.

Second, fix the UI issues where someone right clicks for example. Now, when you right click, a options menu appears on the bottom. That is horrible compared to rightclick-contextmenu's

Third, the startscreen just doesn't need to be fullscreen on a desktop, it can be much more useful when it isn't.

After using all the different iterations of Windows 8 i must say that this latest one has been the most enjoyable, which is expected really. Once you actually use it for a bit things do seem to come together and actions that at first took a few moments to achieve become pretty natural and a sort of fluidity does flow
There are still some issues and people will have different ones that have cropped!
Am i going to pre-order several copies like i did with Windows 7. Probably not as i seem to mostly use the desktop flipping into Metro/The Start Screen/Whatever you want to call it only occasionly but i do find i`m liking some of the apps more.
I said when i first saw it that it had been designed with touch screens in mind and i also think Microsoft have seen a huge potential revenue earner in an app store and want a piece of that pie. With 8 and beyond that will become a reality.
Anyone who is used to using a tablet or smartphone will easily pick it up and realize the potential, more traditional users may struggle!

How many who preordered (or bought on release) 7 are going to do the same with 8?

Loving it so far. Much faster than Windows 7. The newer features, such as the new Task Manager, Copy/Paste control and the .ISO mounting, have all been very useful. The fact that everything is being synced is another big plus. All I have to do is sign into the accounts I want to be notified from and messages pop-up accordingly.

They could probably unify the theme in general, but overall it's a great OS so far.

Why do I like Windows 8? Because it's the way computers should have been right from the start.

For example, if you want to check your mail:
Turn on -> enter password -> click on 'Mail' -> Viola!

I know that is possible in Windows 7 too, but the significance of doing that in Windows 8 is how it is able to do it so quickly, and how the 'Mail' app is tied to your user account, so you don't actually have to set it up at all.

FalseAgent said,
Why do I like Windows 8? Because it's the way computers should have been right from the start.

For example, if you want to check your mail:
Turn on -> enter password -> click on 'Mail' -> Viola!


You're impressed because it takes three steps to check your Mail? All my Macs have been working like that from day one.

If Win8 did NOT have a desktop mode it would be utterly horrid. It does though and it's as good as or better than Win7 in many respects. The start menu can R.I.P. I never use it. While I'm not spending a lot of time on the start screen at least it has potential as a nice 'at a glance' info hub. Start menu was a static blob of options that was basically a crutch. The crutch is gone and now people are complaining. I say good riddance to the start menu.

Here is what is going on in Windows 8:

They are adding this new windows runtime environment platform called metro and immerse. It rides on html5, javascript, and the netfx platform. The goal is to push this for new programs and utilities in an effort to make it so programs for the OS use abstracted api calls and portable code.

They have largely deprecated the desktop but left most of it in for compatibility during this transition to what microsoft believes is the future of computing where the Device is everything and the OS is only used as a way of making a device function.

Here is the kicker though, If they left the desktop side alone and kept it 1:1 with windows 7 the developers and users would not have any reason to embrace the new windows runtime. So they are making modifications and entry points and co-oping many desktop functions to tie or be replaced by the metro system.

Once this becomes commonplace the goal is to eventually drop win32 api and subsystem and nt kernel and replace it with a more secure and controlled underpinning. This can only happen if everything moves to the new windows runtime.

Microsoft is staking it's future and using it's dominant position in the market to do this.

For the next version of windows watch as they gradual (quicker than apple though) replace every aspect of the underlining OS with this new system. My prediction is by the time we get to "Windows" 10 it won't have anything to do with NT or win32 at all.

The general public will accept this for the most part but the power users and administrators who were trained and grew up with the desktop paradigm will have a very hard time to adapt.

People saying that Windows 8 will be the next vista or windows me really don't know what they are talking about. Windows ME was a special case because Codename Neptune (a home version of windows 2000) was cancelled and merged with the next generation microsoft OS to form Whistler which as many may know is Windows XP.

The case with Longhorn and Vista isn't even nearly as simple as the case was for ME. Longhorn was being developed off the xp code base and during the time when 3 major internet worms happened. With part of the windows team being diverted to secure previous operating systems plus a lot of management issues and the simple fact they were trying to tack more and more stuff onto the windows codebase in such a short period of time they had to by the end of 2004 scrap everything and start fresh with a new plan. Vista's problems initially were that the OS was only truly in development from 2005-2006 and because of the delays and reboot of the project the hardware and software developers were left wondering if they should start working on drivers and updates for their products.

These issues obviously were addressed for the most part by Vista SP1 but the damage to the brand was already done.

Windows 8 and the future of the microsoft platform is actually very akin to some of the original concepts for longhorn. Albeit with a modern twist and in the reality of cloud computing and widespread broadband connectivity.

I don't agree with the new vision of computing but I do understand why they are doing what they do. I think it could be approached differently but that is a discussion for a later time.

Peace,

Matt A. Tobin
Commanding Officer
Binary Outcast

I am starting to like it on my desktop. Logging in with my fingerprint reader is quick, because it is possible to do that at the lockscreen. I don't see much of the start screen and I unfortunately I still don't see the point of using metro apps. If we could have them in windows on the desktop, to run them side by side with other applications it would be fine for some. They are just too big und lock you in.

Speaking of big, by default Win 8 sets the zoom to 125%, so everything looked bigger than it should with a high resolution.

After using it for some time now I really like it because it's really fast. I hope the nVidia drivers come soon though as I am having some issues with icons not being rendered properly.

Still don't like it as a desktop OS. For tablets / touch screen devices maybe, but it will be a cold day in hell before the Startscreen becomes my default Windows desktop interface.

Except for IE10. All the metro apps are in really bad shape. Even if compared to its WP counterparts. They are weaker in not only features but also in stability. Some apps like mail or calender take hours to update live tiles.. The stupid store app is so unstable with memory leaks and it Sony install or update apps if not opened in view. How bad is that? The messenger app signs out id we close it which don't happen on WP.

When one treats Windows-8 as being a smartphone/tablet OS on steroids, then it becomes an "acceptable" OS. Using it on laptops and desktops is just asking for disappointment and frustration. Stick with Windows-7, and hope MS will come with a viable improvement with Windows-9.

I have found myself working in the desktop during the day, pretty much business as usual with the occasional visit to Metro screen to search etc.

Then at night I go to Metro to use all the really cool apps. That news aggregator is awesome, the travel app is awesome, mail actually works nice, I think Metro is really nice. And it's not really necessary to mix and match the two if you don't want to.

I can definitely look forward to a convertible laptop, they better price these things at $800 or forget about it. With a really nice trackpad I would just as easily go for a reg Ultrabook if it was that much cheaper than a touch screen Ultrabook.

Metro is going to be a winner on tablets, period. It is WAY idiot proof, and last I checked that was pretty much the criteria for tabs.

I have a problem with MS thinking we don't need to close apps. I want a back button on EVERY SCREEN. I don't like being left to hang in a settings screen for example. I would like to be able to close an app by swiping and hitting a big fat X, not dragging from top to bottom. Other than that, I can and have easily gotten used to this.

Really missing instant search from start on Outlook. I'm sure they will fix that.

God damn awful is all I can say, and I really thought MS were going in the right direction after Win7, this is gonna fail, big time. Such a shame really, but I'll say it again, whoever took Windows down this route, needs fired, as in shot!

scaramonga said,
God damn awful is all I can say, and I really thought MS were going in the right direction after Win7, this is gonna fail, big time. Such a shame really, but I'll say it again, whoever took Windows down this route, needs fired, as in shot!

Its a smartphone/tablet OS. Anything more is outside of the original scope of design.

scaramonga said,
God damn awful is all I can say, and I really thought MS were going in the right direction after Win7, this is gonna fail, big time. Such a shame really, but I'll say it again, whoever took Windows down this route, needs fired, as in shot!

Funny you should say that because the man in charge of Windows 8 is the same man who was in charge of Windows 7.

Dot Matrix said,

Funny you should say that because the man in charge of Windows 8 is the same man who was in charge of Windows 7.


So...Windows-7 is for laptops and desktops. Windows-8 is for smartphones and ARM tablets. (Trying to foist Windows-8 as being equally great on both platforms is the deception.)

scaramonga said,
God damn awful is all I can say, and I really thought MS were going in the right direction after Win7, this is gonna fail, big time. Such a shame really, but I'll say it again, whoever took Windows down this route, needs fired, as in shot!

They depend on people to give feedback. You didn't say how/why it was awful. Most people jump on the start screen/metro train but leaving out a reason altogether seems a bit trollish.

Its like going from 3.1 to 95 really in terms of GUI. People learned to love it. I haven't messed with it, and will probably wait until its released on Technet.

Amodin said,
Its like going from 3.1 to 95 really in terms of GUI. People learned to love it. I haven't messed with it, and will probably wait until its released on Technet.

Actually no. From 3.1 to 95 it was still a mouse. Now MS wants to use the mouse as a touch device, mixing two very different GUIs. It is a mess. Take a look and see for yourself.

Luis Mazza said,

Actually no. From 3.1 to 95 it was still a mouse. Now MS wants to use the mouse as a touch device, mixing two very different GUIs. It is a mess. Take a look and see for yourself.

Again, no, the mouse and touch are separate. Windows 8 is the beginning of the transition into a more interactive UX. One, where the mouse plays a depreciated role in computing, and touch and motion control are more mainstream.

Dot Matrix said,

Again, no, the mouse and touch are separate. Windows 8 is the beginning of the transition into a more interactive UX. One, where the mouse plays a depreciated role in computing, and touch and motion control are more mainstream.

Where did you get all of this marketing bull***?? MS official documents?
Real life is going to be real different for Windows 8 users.
Let's wait and see.

Luis Mazza said,

Where did you get all of this marketing bull***?? MS official documents?
Real life is going to be real different for Windows 8 users.
Let's wait and see.

I'm sorry my friend, but the only person talking bull**** here is you, all through the comments on this news article. Mouse a tough device? Not sure where you're getting this nonsense.

TCLN Ryster said,

I'm sorry my friend, but the only person talking bull**** here is you, all through the comments on this news article. Mouse a tough device? Not sure where you're getting this nonsense.

Shut up, child.

PoohGQ said,
Does anybody know if there's a way to upgrade from CP to RP?

You'll need to do a clean install... it'll move your files to Windows.old

j2006 said,

You'll need to do a clean install... it'll move your files to Windows.old

It really doesn't make sense since CP allowed me to upgrade from Win7.

PoohGQ said,

It really doesn't make sense since CP allowed me to upgrade from Win7.

Actually it makes perfect sense. Upgrading from an unstable beta build to another unstable beta build has always been problematic. The fact that you could upgrade to CP from your stable Windows 7 is completely irrelevant.

Luis Mazza said,
I think that after Windows 8, I'm loving OS X even more. No fanboism here.

After what? Are you talking from the future?
So, did somebody got a time machine for Luis? Fanboism to the top.

Ricardo Dawkins said,

After what? Are you talking from the future?
So, did somebody got a time machine for Luis? Fanboism to the top.

Duh

I forgot to mention that IE 10 metro is real good to use, my favorite browser now. Too bad it ony works on W8 (the metro one)

I just can't seem to accept Metro as a usable UI on my desktop PC. It seems great for touch screens, but man it just feels so limited and clunky with a mouse and keyboard.

bangbang023 said,
I just can't seem to accept Metro as a usable UI on my desktop PC. It seems great for touch screens, but man it just feels so limited and clunky with a mouse and keyboard.

Exactly! I dunno if the powers that be at Mticrosoft are delusional to think that the minute thy release Windows 8, everyone is going to go out and get a tablet to put it on. I'd say the vast majority of the world's PCs are still desktops/laptops of which the vast majority are non touchscreen. Metro is just going to feel utterly stupid on non touchscreen devices.

Even in he case of tablets, Microsoft have a HUGE mountain to climb to get their foot in to a market which is essentially dominated by Apple's iPad, followed my cheaper Android options.

bangbang023 said,
I just can't seem to accept Metro as a usable UI on my desktop PC. It seems great for touch screens, but man it just feels so limited and clunky with a mouse and keyboard.

I just don't use Metro on my desktop. The Desktop works great, even better than 7.

bangbang023 said,
I just can't seem to accept Metro as a usable UI on my desktop PC. It seems great for touch screens, but man it just feels so limited and clunky with a mouse and keyboard.

Just try getting rid of the Metro UI. MS won't do it for you. Regrettably, some third-party company will come up with a Registry hack.

bangbang023 said,
I just can't seem to accept Metro as a usable UI on my desktop PC. It seems great for touch screens, but man it just feels so limited and clunky with a mouse and keyboard.

Just don't use it. You're not locked into it. Load up your desktop with shortcuts and you literally never have to see the start screen. I mean it, literally. The actual literal definition of literal. Literally.

Please remember that this is still only a RC, A lot of things have changed since this was compiled. I would also imagine that MS has left some stuff out of this build as to not have the competition see what is going on. What I don't like is stupid people saying this is only for tablets, it still has the desktop morons (no different than 7 minus start button)

Korupted said,
Please remember that this is still only a RC, A lot of things have changed since this was compiled. I would also imagine that MS has left some stuff out of this build as to not have the competition see what is going on. What I don't like is stupid people saying this is only for tablets, it still has the desktop morons (no different than 7 minus start button)

Are you kidding? Nothing is going to change before RTM, except few icons and wallpapers.

Korupted said,
Please remember that this is still only a RC, A lot of things have changed since this was compiled. I would also imagine that MS has left some stuff out of this build as to not have the competition see what is going on. What I don't like is stupid people saying this is only for tablets, it still has the desktop morons (no different than 7 minus start button)

Some of those "stupid people" being referenced are very well reputed computer commentators. Windows-8 is undeniably geared to smartphones and tablets.

Korupted said,
Please remember that this is still only a RC, A lot of things have changed since this was compiled. I would also imagine that MS has left some stuff out of this build as to not have the competition see what is going on. What I don't like is stupid people saying this is only for tablets, it still has the desktop morons (no different than 7 minus start button)

Ok it still has the desktop, your point being... Microsoft wants people to purchase Windows 8 for desktop and laptops which is their biggest sell. If its no different than 7 minus the start button then wouldn't most desktop/laptop users just stick with 7 (because other than metro which most people find annoying for use on a desktop there is no other "major" changes). Thats why people are saying this OS is going to fail, as desktop/laptops are their biggest OS sell, whereas they have geared this OS towards tablets where on the contrary they have no foothold. They are trying to juggle both platforms together and therefore it is not going to end well.

sanke1 said,

Are you kidding? Nothing is going to change before RTM, except few icons and wallpapers.

You're absolutely certain of that? This isn't Vista to 7. It needs more work and will get more work. On top of that, it will continue to improve after release.

WHAT I LIKE:
- MUCH faster than Windows 7 and Windows 8 CP
- Fast and Fluid
- Improved apps
- Multi-Monitor support (see below though!)
- IE10
- Flater version of Aero (which looks EVEN NICER in RTM based on the screenshots)

WHAT STILL NEEDS IMPROVING:
- The metro apps still don't communicate with the desktop apps (i.e. if you are signed into the Messaging hub and you sign into Messenger on the desktop mode, it says you're signed into 2 places and you get annoying notifications for both apps instead of them realizing their signed on the same machine)
- The horizontal scroll in all the apps in need auto-side scrolling like the Start screen (i.e. if you move the mouse towards the left, the screen schould auto pan left and same with right)... we shouldn't need to drag the tiny horizontal scroll bar.
- The live tiles need to be cleaned up to match that on the Windows Phone tiles (i.e. bigger, cleaner numbers instead of tiny numbers)
- The multi-monitor support needs to be improved more, especially with regards to how Aero Snap worked.
- Multi-tasking needs to be improved greatly... it's a bit of a pain that you can't have metro apps resized or on top of each other like on Desktop mode.
- I'm not sure if this is just with my laptop, but when I tried to insert a software CD, it didnt recognize my CD drive. When I went Start > Device Manager (not actually doing anything inside it)... it then recognized it. Which I found strange.
- There needs to be a way to put Category names on the Start Screen without having to zoom out... I suggest maybe simply click in the blank space above the group and a text box appears.
- Now when you install a program, it adds ALL the unneccessary programs (like readme.txt, uninstall, smaller programs, etc.) to the Start Screen which looks really messy. There should be a way for developers to control having only the primary applications listed on the Start Screen and the smaller ones remaining in the Start Menu group.
- While I personally don't think we need a Start Menu, it would be nice to have a smaller version of the Start screen down the side to shut the people up who complain about the menu missing. Plus it would allow for better multi-tasking instead of viewing a full-screen unnecessarily.

I'm excited to see where Windows goes, but it seems to be going in the right direction, but I still feels like there's lots of work to still be done for desktops/laptops before it gets released. I really hope they don't rush it. But for tablets and touch displays this is definitely a rock-solid OS.

I is very good, I'm geting used to metro and I'm glad they fixed some bugs from the WMP/WMC music library.

What I don't like is:
- Real hard to go to the "turn off" button;
- It is a pain to change volume control using metro;
- Music player in metro is realy bad, the library is not as good as WMP or WMC and there is no volume control (ok, it's not the final version)

Billy Gun said,
I is very good, I'm geting used to metro and I'm glad they fixed some bugs from the WMP/WMC music library.

What I don't like is:
- Real hard to go to the "turn off" button;
- It is a pain to change volume control using metro;
- Music player in metro is realy bad, the library is not as good as WMP or WMC and there is no volume control (ok, it's not the final version)

Power button/volume shortcut: Win+I

Or on the desktop: Alt+F4 / same as Windows 7 for volume

Billy Gun said,
I is very good, I'm geting used to metro and I'm glad they fixed some bugs from the WMP/WMC music library.

What I don't like is:
- Real hard to go to the "turn off" button;
- It is a pain to change volume control using metro;
- Music player in metro is realy bad, the library is not as good as WMP or WMC and there is no volume control (ok, it's not the final version)


doesn't your keyboard have dedicated volume buttons? if not, then you're missing out, the dedicated volume buttons bring up a mini-player on the top-left of the screen.

I agree about the library though; I don't even know how Microsoft could possibly screw this one up. They have made great media apps: Zune on PC, Zune on Windows Phone, Windows Media Center, and even Windows Media Player, but they come up with these lousy media apps for Windows 8. Really sad.

mrp04 said,

Power button/volume shortcut: Win+I

Or on the desktop: Alt+F4 / same as Windows 7 for volume

Thank you very much, but on Win 7 it was way much easyer.

FalseAgent said,

doesn't your keyboard have dedicated volume buttons? if not, then you're missing out, the dedicated volume buttons bring up a mini-player on the top-left of the screen.

I agree about the library though; I don't even know how Microsoft could possibly screw this one up. They have made great media apps: Zune on PC, Zune on Windows Phone, Windows Media Center, and even Windows Media Player, but they come up with these lousy media apps for Windows 8. Really sad.

Thank you very much, Yes, my keyboard have dedicated volume buttons, but I never used them since I was Always with my mouse on my hands, so it was Always quicker to use the volume control on Windows bar. I just saw the mini player on the top left screen. Thank you very much.

And I forgot to mantion, this music metro player has integration to sky drive, so you can let some songs on skydrive and play them on any Windows 8 PC. But there is no Sky Drive interaction on zune, WMP or WMC...

Chica Ami said,
Windows 8 is only good for tablets. I wouldn't be surprised that they will fail like Vista on the desktop. =D

I mean seriously, Metro apps on a PC will fail miserably. But on a tablet it's ok. =D Now I made my point.

Isnt it rediculous the contrasting objectives between longhorn and win8. You start to realize that the world must be getting dumber.

Good: Better Multi-monitor support, Arm support, IE more standards compliment, good tablet UI.

Bad: Poor 'default' UI for non-touchscreen PCs.

Many more apps available and most of the default apps have some nice improvements to them. The toned down Aero is not so bad.
It seems charms is more difficult to make appear and not crazy about the really tiny button to use semantic zoom. The additional color choices are fine for the Start Screen, but still find the tiles difficult to manage once you have many on their. You can't even always tell which tile it's for since all you see is a small icon.
But all in all this release is a step forward as there are many improvements over the CP.

I find that using the Start screen is not at all necessary. Thus far I have only used it twice. Must admit that it is quite fast on an SSD (just a bit faster then 7). The only draw back for me is the fact that MS left out the standard games they normally put with their OS; this is a big no no for me.

Pam14160 said,
I find that using the Start screen is not at all necessary. Thus far I have only used it twice. Must admit that it is quite fast on an SSD (just a bit faster then 7). The only draw back for me is the fact that MS left out the standard games they normally put with their OS; this is a big no no for me.

Yeah, unnecessary just like the Start Menu stopped being very necessary. To launch programs just press the start button and type and press enter, just like 7. The Start screen is very nice on a touch computer, though.

Worst: no folders for desktop apps on start screen. i installed Visual Studio and ended with 20 tiles (normally the are in seceral folders in start menu).

hummell said,
Worst: no folders for desktop apps on start screen. i installed Visual Studio and ended with 20 tiles (normally the are in seceral folders in start menu).

Programs will stop doing this once they're designed for Windows 8. It's not too hard to remove them, just right click them all then press unpin. Only a problem when you first install it and you're installing a lot of programs at once.

The Good: FAST! Stable, and improved usability on multi monitor desktops.

The Bad: Ugly OoBE. Bright, mismatched colors are not the way to go. Default Metro apps still aren't up to par, and Photos has no functionality whatsoever after two releases.

The Ugly: Microsoft's own Skype doesn't run. Epic fail.

Dot Matrix said,
The Good: FAST! Stable, and improved usability on multi monitor desktops.

The Bad: Ugly OoBE. Bright, mismatched colors are not the way to go. Default Metro apps still aren't up to par, and Photos has no functionality whatsoever after two releases.

The Ugly: Microsoft's own Skype doesn't run. Epic fail.


Skype is still developed by same people (maybe with some new ones), it's just now Skype division under Microsoft. But version 5 seemed to work better on CP, so I don't not what the hell is going on in Skype division.

Dot Matrix said,
The Ugly: Microsoft's own Skype doesn't run. Epic fail.

Yes, Skype was giving me hell, too. Pegs a CPU core after you sign in.

A temporary solution is to go to oldapps and download Skype 5.1 it doesn't seem to have issues on Windows 8.

Dot Matrix said,
The Good: FAST! Stable, and improved usability on multi monitor desktops.

The Bad: Ugly OoBE. Bright, mismatched colors are not the way to go. Default Metro apps still aren't up to par, and Photos has no functionality whatsoever after two releases.

The Ugly: Microsoft's own Skype doesn't run. Epic fail.


My thoughts exactly! Although I suspect Skype might be ready in time for the RTM version. Knowing Microsoft, though, we can't be sure of that, and we can't even be sure it'll have all of the appropriate features *glances at Skype for Windows Phone*

Dot Matrix said,
The Good: FAST! Stable, and improved usability on multi monitor desktops.

The Bad: Ugly OoBE. Bright, mismatched colors are not the way to go. Default Metro apps still aren't up to par, and Photos has no functionality whatsoever after two releases.

The Ugly: Microsoft's own Skype doesn't run. Epic fail.


I think the OOBE is pretty good, especially considering Microsoft had to include setting up your Microsoft account.

but yes, god, I agree about the colors, I hate all of them, the colors are so goddamn ugly.

Yeah, and how the stupid OS pins everything in the programs installer to the Start Menu. Which is stupid in my opinion.

KomaWeiß said,
Yeah, and how the stupid OS pins everything in the programs installer to the Start Menu. Which is stupid in my opinion.

right click.. unpin.. Problem solved!

seriously how deep are you guys digging to hate on change.. I like the RC overall.. I have just had some problems with the internet connectivity but I think thats because I have some loose cables..

KomaWeiß said,
Yeah, and how the stupid OS pins everything in the programs installer to the Start Menu. Which is stupid in my opinion.

Because it never did that in the previous start menu...

Jimmy422 said,

Because it never did that in the previous start menu...
It did that in previous releases of Windows 8 and under the 'old' Start Menu nearly every app made an entry in the Start Menu. It seems the behavior has continued, only this time the space on the Start screen is more valuable that it has ever been and it is now an annoyance.

Lachlan said,

right click.. unpin.. Problem solved!

seriously how deep are you guys digging to hate on change.. I like the RC overall.. I have just had some problems with the internet connectivity but I think thats because I have some loose cables..

Why should we pay for a OS that gives us this extra unconvenience?

KomaWeiß said,
Yeah, and how the stupid OS pins everything in the programs installer to the Start Menu. Which is stupid in my opinion.

To me, though, this is like all the shortcuts created in your Start menu when you install a program. You just have to select them (you can even select multiple at a time) and unpin from Start.

Lachlan said,

right click.. unpin.. Problem solved!

Do not you have to unpin them one at a time? At least I did not find an option to unpin multiple ones......

KomaWeiß said,
Yeah, and how the stupid OS pins everything in the programs installer to the Start Menu. Which is stupid in my opinion.

I would say, it depends on Application installer. Applications are not aware yet on Win8 and put everything into Start menu. The difference is Visual Studion 2012, for example. It knows and seems creates on Start Screen only few icons and rest drops into Apps.

Fritzly said,

Do not you have to unpin them one at a time? At least I did not find an option to unpin multiple ones......

right click each of the apps you wish to unpin in turn then click unpin from start.

Fritzly said,

Do not you have to unpin them one at a time? At least I did not find an option to unpin multiple ones......

Try using control click - that works. Use Alt click to select multiple tiles and also unpin/remove selection.

Fritzly said,

Do not you have to unpin them one at a time? At least I did not find an option to unpin multiple ones......

No bro, just right click on as many as you want (they'll have the checkmark in the corner) and then press Unpin from Start

devHead said,

No bro, just right click on as many as you want (they'll have the checkmark in the corner) and then press Unpin from Start


this. Just right-click as many tiles as you want to select them, and then unpin. Poof!

devHead said,

No bro, just right click on as many as you want (they'll have the checkmark in the corner) and then press Unpin from Start

Interesting...... I guess something went wrong with my installation: when I go right click the second tile the first one get unchecked.............. Well it is Sunday............ I going to format and reinstall.................
Thanks anyway

KomaWeiß said,
Yeah, and how the stupid OS pins everything in the programs installer to the Start Menu. Which is stupid in my opinion.

Reminds me of how the Play Store automatically adds shortcuts to the home screen on Android.
But luckily it has a setting to disable this behavior.

Fritzly said,

Interesting...... I guess something went wrong with my installation: when I go right click the second tile the first one get unchecked.............. Well it is Sunday............ I going to format and reinstall.................
Thanks anyway


are you sure you're not still on the Developer Preview? the DP would do that (you can only select one at a time) but in the RP & CP you can select as many as you want.

Matthew_Thepc said,

are you sure you're not still on the Developer Preview? the DP would do that (you can only select one at a time) but in the RP & CP you can select as many as you want.

I am sure, I am sure.................. I had to play with the BIOS of my ancient Toshiba Portege' M400 Tablet to be able to install it................. :-)
Btw I reinstalled everything and now works as it should; thanks a lot everybody.

KomaWeiß said,
Yeah, and how the stupid OS pins everything in the programs installer to the Start Menu. Which is stupid in my opinion.

What logic would you use to determine what Apps should be pinned to Start for Desktop Apps?

There are no flags in installers that declares one as the primary shortcut. You can't assume the name of the shortcut will make a difference because often there are 5 shortcuts with the same name with extra words added, and you have no way to know which one is the correct one. So how would you ever know without someone manually looking at it?

Now future installers built with Windows 8 installer functionality should be able to determine which one to pin.