Gartner: Windows 8.1 'could quiet most of' Windows 8's detractors

The public preview version of Windows 8.1 is scheduled to be released by Microsoft on Wednesday, but businesses who are already testing Windows 8 should consider going ahead and moving to Windows 8.1 on new PCs, according to a recent research note from Gartner.

The note, posted last week, was optimistic that Windows 8.1 would be accepted more by enterprise users than Microsoft's Windows 8 was in 2012. The note states:

Some users complained about the lack of discoverability, help or cues for the new user experience, and many rejected Windows 8 because of the changes. Based on the information currently available, we believe Windows 8.1 features could quiet most of its detractors.

In fact, some businesses that still use Internet Explorer 8 on Windows 7 might have more compatibility issues upgrading to IE11 than moving legacy Windows programs to run on the desktop of Windows 8.1, according to Gartner. The firm recommends that companies which are already testing Windows 8 on new PCs strongly consider testing on the Windows 8.1 public preview.

Gartner also recommends that businesses who have thought about using Windows 8 just for touchscreen devices to consider using Windows 8.1 for larger deployment.

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Don't fool yourself. Windows 8.1 is not just a UI update. There has been some improvements to the underlying OS and file system also. I saw a speedtest article, (forgot the link) that proved 8.1 about 5-10% faster than 8.0. That alone is worth the time upgrading, even if I didn't care about the UI changes. Actually, the Windows 8 UI never bordered me a bit. Switching from a Windows Phone 8 to a Galaxy SIII, now there I was lost. I switched back to my Lumia 920 in a heartbeat. Conclusion: People love what they know, even though the new is "better", according to pundits, engineers and marketing.

People that don't like windows 8 = haters.
People that like windows 8 as is = conformist.

For this matter, windows 8.1 is nothing special, in fact i can't find any killer feature than "boot on desktop". Windows 8.1 is not a game changer.

What Gartner says is to "swear" about the popularity of windows 8.1 instead of give a single reason why windows 8.1 will be better than windows 8. Smells like astroturfing works.

I run Windows 7 and Windows 8. My major issues which I have with 8 have to do with third party driver issues and not Microsoft which keeps me booting back into Windows 7. My hopes for Microsoft in the future is to work closer with third party's to make sure drivers are more heavily tested. I know I am more in the minority as I build custom high in rigs with tri and quad SLI, but when you invest that much cash, you expect to have a reliable OS, even if the blame is do to third party.

If the Windows-7 look, feel, and visual operation is made available for the vast majority of users who are not touch-centric tablet oriented and who over 30, Windows-8.1 just might be a viable successor to Windows-7. Otherwise, Microsoft's "second chance" didn't do it.
Remember, revolutions are very risky; evolutions are much safer.

I am used windows 8 since early betas (and i am still using windows 8) but still i don't get it the whole Modern UI interface. Right now, and AFAIK it is just a lousy front end (and not a pretty one). I don't know how to do a lot of task in Modern UI without using desktop (that is touch-unfriendly). For example, let's say that a customer gives me a pendrive with some information, how can i obtain this information?. In windows (desktop) is easy, open explorer, find the pendrive and list the files. In modern ui, i must admit that i don't have a clue how to do it.

IMHO, Windows 8 is a weird mix of revolution and evolution.

You plug the pendrive in, In the top right corner a box will appear asking you that a new drive has been connected and what you would like to do with it. You then Click on the box and choose Open Folder (Just going off memory here, could be a different name).
Or, you can just Press Windows Key + E to open an explorer window and then select the drive from the Navigation Pane. You could even do this in the older versions of Windows as well. Simple Stuff

thealexweb said,
Notice they are saying nice things about MS so fewer / no posts attacking analysts in general XD

Notice how all the trolls have come out in force because they said something nice about Windows 8?

SteveyAyo said,

Notice how all the trolls have come out in force because they said something nice about Windows 8?

Please, define the adjective "troll".

By removing the rest of the start menu code so people who HATE metro can't use 3rd party applications is NOT how you "Quiet most of the Windows 8 detractors"

warwagon said,
By removing the rest of the start menu code so people who HATE metro can't use 3rd party applications is NOT how you "Quiet most of the Windows 8 detractors"

Will Start8 still work with 8.1? If MS have sabotaged it, that would be despicable.

warwagon said,
By removing the rest of the start menu code so people who HATE metro can't use 3rd party applications is NOT how you "Quiet most of the Windows 8 detractors"

So they removed the code. Boo hoo. Develop a third party utility that doesn't piggy back on Microsoft code, and you'll be fine. They're not doing anything wrong by removing the code.

Dot Matrix said,

So they removed the code. Boo hoo. Develop a third party utility that doesn't piggy back on Microsoft code, and you'll be fine. They're not doing anything wrong by removing the code.

So if they would have brought back the start menu, you would be yelling about how all the complainers killed innovation and I would have been like "Boo hoo" LOL

warwagon said,

So if they would have brought back the start menu, you would be yelling about how all the complainers killed innovation and I would have been like "Boo hoo" LOL

But, they didn't, so your point is...?

runningnak3d said,

The point is they are going to fail.

Why? What does the Start Menu do that Start Screen doesn't? The Start Menu was deprecated code, so it was removed. Same as any other code that Microsoft deprecated and removed.

From what I have seen with 8.1 (and I have used a few milestone builds) 8.1 tweaks, improves & refines an already solid OS.

I honestly don't understand why so many so-called technical enthusiasts & professionals are crying so much. If they can't adapt to change in technology then they really need a change of hobby/career.

its not always the change they cry about, its a little deeper than that. Windows 8 did have a learning curve and had crap in retarded places i.e hidden start button and windows shortcuts become a big thing oh and charms bar. Sure people need to adapt but give them a heads up

For me my main beef with windows 8 is as i said above overheating issue due to power management/fan management in windows 8. (if you have it installed and remember your cpu temp before windows 8 was installed check it i had a 20% increase of 2 of my 6 machines.)

Never checked CPU temp in my life, other than when I have done a BIOS update for example or powered a machine up from scratch. Most of my machines are work tools, not toys.

I always buy good hardware and a good case & even with a very high end GPU my case is ice cold inside. I also have a Vaio Z and the Vaio tools do a great job of fan management. I also had Windows 8 installed on my T420s at one point and had no heat/fan issues.

When in Desktop mode, and there are 2 or 3 billion desktops on earth, Windows must recognize that and do the following:

Make sure things don't go full screen all time, on a 24 inch screen that is just stupid.

Make sure the desktop is pretty, Aero Glass made it so, there are hundreds of millions of people like me looking at the desktop 8 hours every day, and we really want it pretty.

The mouse must work like the touch on the start screen, and the metro apps to open in Windows, separate window with mouse support!

I don't want to go in to small details, but Windows 8 in desktop mode must function as a desktop, period! no full screen what so ever! no long black bars on the sides, that is stupid.

And until it happens, people will make fun of it,

The manager at Microsoft that most likely thought oh the people are stupid, will put an image on the task bar and tell them: hey, here is your start menu , yeh right, on the 26th will tell him: hey, just go home!

1. Only Metro apps do that, don't download and use them if you don't like them.

2. God no, Aero is incredibly outdated and ugly, no need to bring it back. If you want transparencies they DO exist in Windows 8.

3. The mouse does work like on a touch screen... again you don't have to get metro apps if you intend to use the desktop 100% of the time.

4. Metro apps (see above) I like the charms but on a mouse and keyboard you are right, people should have the OPTION to disable them.

john.smith_2084 said,
When in Desktop mode, and there are 2 or 3 billion desktops on earth, Windows must recognize that and do the following:

"People" will do nothing of the sort, because you don't speak for "people." You are, for the most part, nothing. Your opinion doesn't matter, and what's more, it is rife with delusional rambling.

While you may be a tech enthusiast, if you are complaining about the death of the start menu then you are no professional. Real professionals would have learned a long time ago that the most efficient way of launching an app is with the keyboard.

john.smith_2084 said,
When in Desktop mode, and there are 2 or 3 billion desktops on earth, Windows must recognize that and do the following:

Make sure things don't go full screen all time, on a 24 inch screen that is just stupid.

Make sure the desktop is pretty, Aero Glass made it so, there are hundreds of millions of people like me looking at the desktop 8 hours every day, and we really want it pretty.

The mouse must work like the touch on the start screen, and the metro apps to open in Windows, separate window with mouse support!

I don't want to go in to small details, but Windows 8 in desktop mode must function as a desktop, period! no full screen what so ever! no long black bars on the sides, that is stupid.

And until it happens, people will make fun of it,

The manager at Microsoft that most likely thought oh the people are stupid, will put an image on the task bar and tell them: hey, here is your start menu , yeh right, on the 26th will tell him: hey, just go home!

If all you do is stare at your desktop, then yes, Glass was nice, but there are many of us that do more than just stare at our desktops, and in that regard, Glass did nothing for us.

FlashFreeze said,

"People" will do nothing of the sort, because you don't speak for "people." You are, for the most part, nothing. Your opinion doesn't matter, and what's more, it is rife with delusional rambling.

While you may be a tech enthusiast, if you are complaining about the death of the start menu then you are no professional. Real professionals would have learned a long time ago that the most efficient way of launching an app is with the keyboard.

yep, I don't speak for the people, keep living in your bubble at adoption rate of 4% and 1% of them like it, and the rest just have to use it.

I understand now why Microsoft is still making more of this garbage, the windows team and 1% of the people like it, keep doing that and they will end up jobless :-)

it was nice while it lasted, I guess every great empire have an end, and for Microsoft, it was very easy to avoid.

I want Aero glass ui back in metro just as Ios 7. And i want folders in the start.
Microsoft has screwed up tremendously in Windows 8 Instead of building on the ultra popular windows 7 user interface that is built around the aero glass, where both processbar and windows are like glass. Apple has copied this in their upcoming new mobile IOS 7 user interface. In Windows 8 you must use a dull metro interface that do not fit together with the desktop interface. People are confused and unsympathetic towards Microsoft design which is skizofren and built up over tiles that just makes it worse rather than better.
In addition, the Office is not optimized for touch, still you need a mouse. And while it is totally confusing in touch that you need to run it with a 16-9 screen area. It is also stupid that is now standard in apps that you need to scroll from left to right instead of up and down .

kejser said,
I want Aero glass ui back in metro...

iOS 7 is taking more and more if its design cues from Windows, including removing transparency, gradients and drop shadows from the aesthetic.

What's more, no fake glass effects mean 10-20 minutes of extra battery life on laptops and tablets.

Your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.

I have been using 8 since beta used it on 3 of my 6 machines at the moment i did have it on 6 of 6 but i found i had some overheating issues on 2 of them. Strange heh? The fan management seamed iffy not sure why but its a common fault people seam to be complaining about with windows 8, after installing windows 7 again on the machines the overheating went away. (not a 1 off issue like i said 2 machines, and i reinstalled windows 8 multiple times with same issue)

Anyway nothing wrong with windows 8 the start menu vanishing is annoying as is metro (no need for crappy games or apps i have my homepage on internet linking to my weather and crap and dont have a touch screen) Startisback and start 8 solved this for me.

Look forward to 8.1 hope they sort the overheating issues and some comparability for old Intel chipsets would be nice. (wont happen i know and its not a microsoft issue)

Brian Miller said,
So basically, everyone who purchased Win8 paid for a low quality alpha product?

Im assuming you didn't get Windows 8, otherwise you would know that this "low quality alpha product" is better than Windows 7... so if this is low quality by the time it reaches high quality it will cure cancer

Brian Miller said,
So basically, everyone who purchased Win8 paid for a low quality alpha product?

Even if you want to see it that way, MS is giving the Win8.1 update away to users of that low quality alpha product.
No reason to complain, right?

yeh right, how much did they pay them to write that?

They portended that they put what the user wants, they damn know that is not true, the users know that as well, lets us see the reaction after the second windows disappointment, someone have to be fired from Microsoft! fired BIG TIME!

yeh,, the one with the hearing difficulties, the one that keeps hearing what the customers are asking for, and understanding something totally else, yeh this one, go out!

<s> Oh yes, they paid Gartner! Conspiracy! Conspiracy! </s>

Actually, the same thing happened with Windows 7. People bitched about Vista, and yet when they refined it slightly and called it Windows 7, everyone thought it was the cat's pajamas.

All the complaints could have been handled with ease, as there really aren't that many!
Start button back so that people don't have to leave the desktop (8.1 still flips into metro)
The ability to boot straight onto the desktop.

That's pretty much it!

As for anyone saying, oh there are utilities etc, you miss the point. In business, we look to have a standard and one that works for our clients out the box. Windows 8 and 8.1 will not provide the desktop user experience that people in business want.

Simple solution to make the world a happier place again, so it's Windows 7 until Microsoft see sense.

SteveyAyo said,
You realize of course that BOTH of the things youre asking for are part of Windows 8.1 ... yes?

His the new start menu - METRO, so no... its not sorted.

What are you able to do on the start menu that you cant do on the start screen? Hint: Nothing.

The start screen is more informative and efficient

In classic MS fashion they don't communicate things well to the public. Start screen is basically a giant start menu. You can view the standard metro view, metro with your desktop background and I think you can even go to an all apps view by default. I never had a problem with 8 apart from a bit of a learning curve. 8.1 will help a lot as the transitions will be less jarring.

cecobald said,
What if I don't want to use Metro at all for example?

Then you're no longer welcome in the Windows/Xbox/Windows Phone ecosystem. Sit down.

cecobald said,
What if I don't want to use Metro at all for example?

well it is simple, people will stop making products for the Microsoft store, and it will end up as a failed project

Another person who misses the point.... Metro take you out of the desktop and into a stupid full screen full of pre-school coloured icons. Desktop mode should be desktop mode and we should never be subjected to the Metro screen again!

Gordon Keenan said,
Another person who misses the point.... Metro take you out of the desktop and into a stupid full screen full of pre-school coloured icons. Desktop mode should be desktop mode and we should never be subjected to the Metro screen again!

Life's tough!

Gordon Keenan said,
Another person who misses the point.... Metro take you out of the desktop and into a stupid full screen full of pre-school coloured icons. Desktop mode should be desktop mode and we should never be subjected to the Metro screen again!

You don't have to use metro ever again... Linux and Apple both make Operating Systems... hell even Google has Chrome OS

You have plenty of options. Although in 8.1 it doesn't take you off the Desktop, it only overlays your tiles which are curated by you. If you don't organize them to put the most important programs for you personally then you can only complain to yourself.

john.smith_2084 said,

well it is simple, people will stop making products for the Microsoft store, and it will end up as a failed project

Should I feel bad?

Its not me, its the hundreds of business users I deal with that have taken so long to get used to what we have today. Changing a user interface into a complete nightmare, just for the sake of saying you have released something new, is well.. typical Microsoft!
Does anyone seriously like the new Office? Business users I deal with despise it! In fact they are happy with Office 2003 as it has a USABLE interface! Bottom line people, you need to take on board what the "average" user" works with and accept that Windows 8 only offers a kludge to get more money from people.

Gordon Keenan said,
Its not me, its the hundreds of business users I deal with that have taken so long to get used to what we have today. Changing a user interface into a complete nightmare, just for the sake of saying you have released something new, is well.. typical Microsoft!
Does anyone seriously like the new Office? Business users I deal with despise it! In fact they are happy with Office 2003 as it has a USABLE interface! Bottom line people, you need to take on board what the "average" user" works with and accept that Windows 8 only offers a kludge to get more money from people.

Switch to Apple, please... and then stop complaining about Metro

It still boggles me that "booting directly to the desktop" is something anyone would bother to complain about. One simple click on the Desktop tile takes you there. I can't see that being such a hassle.

Skwerl said,
It still boggles me that "booting directly to the desktop" is something anyone would bother to complain about. One simple click on the Desktop tile takes you there. I can't see that being such a hassle.

If you are a sys admin and you manages 500 users then it IS a big deal to boot directly to desktop.

SteveyAyo said,

Switch to Apple, please... and then stop complaining about Metro

Wow. Another moron that wants Windows to fail as an OS. I like Windows (or should I say I did). I don't want to switch to OSX or Linux, I want MS to fix the problem. To me they all equally suck now.

I don't know much about 8.1, but I can't see it changing my view of Windows 8 on a desktop. From the sounds of things they have added more features, but they're still trying to push me to apps and move me away from a desktop setup.

Same here. The start button doesn't address the complaints at all in my opinion, it's still the same metro UI underneath

Javik said,
Same here. The start button doesn't address the complaints at all in my opinion, it's still the same metro UI underneath

Actually, its not... pressing the start button will not take you away from the desktop which was admittedly a jarring effect, now it merely overlays a tile interface on your current desktop image which is essentially a full screen start menu with more information.

I've only ever used 8 on a desktop machine and it feels like a more powerful version of 7. I hardly ever go to the start screen so I'd say 95% of my time is spent on desktop. Web design, Photoshop, video editing are all no problem at all. 8.1 will help a lot though with some of the more jarring transitions from desktop to start screen.

norseman said,
Let's all pitch together and get Javik a Mac. I'm tired of his complaining.

You are going to have a lot of Macs to buy. Windows 8 / 8.1 suck, and you are in the minority if you think they don't.

Just tell me moar about that push. You can have ALL the desktop apps PLUS modern apps. How on Earth is that pushing you, seriously.

Intrinsica said,
I don't know much about 8.1, but I can't see it changing my view of Windows 8 on a desktop. From the sounds of things they have added more features, but they're still trying to push me to apps and move me away from a desktop setup.

Businesses are investing on creating those apps for enterprise. besides, everything moves toward touch screen devices which Windows 8 shines and modern apps shine

Intrinsica said,
they're still trying to push me to apps and move me away from a desktop setup.

There isn't anything stopping you from using regular desktop apps in Windows 8 or 8.1.

runningnak3d said,

You are going to have a lot of Macs to buy. Windows 8 / 8.1 suck, and you are in the minority if you think they don't.

Well, considering Windows 8 has already sold more units than every iOS and Android device in the world combined, maybe people give a damn less than you think. And if by "minority" you're referring to those of us who think Windows 8 is a bold, exciting and innovative platform... I'm comfortable with that.

What's the matter you silly little troglodyte, is it hard to justify your irrational opinions and baseless pronouncements without feeling like you're protected by the "majority?"

runningnak3d said,

You are going to have a lot of Macs to buy. Windows 8 / 8.1 suck, and you are in the minority if you think they don't.

And how much time have you spent with 8.1?

FlashFreeze said,

Well, considering Windows 8 has already sold more units than every iOS and Android device in the world combined, maybe people give a damn less than you think. And if by "minority" you're referring to those of us who think Windows 8 is a bold, exciting and innovative platform... I'm comfortable with that.

What's the matter you silly little troglodyte, is it hard to justify your irrational opinions and baseless pronouncements without feeling like you're protected by the "majority?"

MS could have sold 10 billion licenses for windows 8 -- good for MS, doesn't change the fact that most of those are being used to downgrade to Windows 7. Please explain Windows 7 market share increasing. That has *NEVER* happened at any time in the past when a new version of Windows was available. Even the beloved XP's market share didn't increase when Vista came out. Would LOVE to hear your thoughts on that. It is simple fact that *MOST* people hate Win 8.

Michael Gentry said,

Windows 8 is the best. 8.1 will be the ultimate. period

SledgeNZ said,

An ultimate period?


...a bloody mess?

Couple of reasons:
- An actual visual object users can see and click on
- Can be configured to open the All Apps view directly
- All Apps view has been improved with sorting options

When I am working, I am working and don't have time to waste. With the old menu I can access 20+ applications + advance user features (I am talking about the shutdown and control panel, lol) by moving my mouse as little as possible.

I will have no problem agreeing its just me, if someone can prove that the new 'start screen' is as 'work efficient' as the old start menu?

Blueclub said,
When I am working, I am working and don't have time to waste. With the old menu I can access 20+ applications + advance user features (I am talking about the shutdown and control panel, lol) by moving my mouse as little as possible.

I will have no problem agreeing its just me, if someone can prove that the new 'start screen' is as 'work efficient' as the old start menu?

Faster, and more informative.
Can display more tiles than the old menu

Blueclub said,
When I am working, I am working and don't have time to waste. With the old menu I can access 20+ applications + advance user features (I am talking about the shutdown and control panel, lol) by moving my mouse as little as possible.

I will have no problem agreeing its just me, if someone can prove that the new 'start screen' is as 'work efficient' as the old start menu?

More customization options

Also if I want entertainment, I won't be buying a PC, I will get a tablet, a music player, a TV, but not a PC. I will buy a PC if I want to WORK, I won't need touch, because thats not work efficient (copy/paste 5 times using touch, and then with a mouse), I won't need a 'start screen' because I don't want my screen/desktop/whatever is open, to go away so I can make a program selection, that is not work efficient (in my view), I won't be needing a 'chime bar (or whatever its called)' to constantly bug me while working, and serve no useful purpose on a desktop/laptop.

SteveyAyo said,
its faster and more informative

What purpose will the 'tiles' serve in a WORK environment? As I already said, if I want entertainment, FB updates, I will get a tab, the only reason people now are buying PCs is to work or play games.

No one in the world has ever or will ever force you to use your finger on Windows 8, don't want a touch device? Cool don't buy one, you don't need one to use Win8. Don't want your whatever to go away? Cool, just start typing and the search will do the rest for you. Charm bar, don't hover your mouse on the hotspot... problem solved.

Or you know switch to Linux or OSx, really don't care either way

Dot Matrix said,
More customization options

I have used Windows 8 for a few months, how is it more customizable, and work efficient in a work environment compared to start menu?

SteveyAyo said,
No one in the world has ever or will ever force you to use your finger on Windows 8, don't want a touch device? Cool don't buy one, you don't need one to use Win8. Don't want your whatever to go away? Cool, just start typing and the search will do the rest for you. Charm bar, don't hover your mouse on the hotspot... problem solved.

Or you know switch to Linux or OSx, really don't care either way


Then why even care to reply?

And FYI: I PAY for my software, I don't like things in it, I get the right to 'whine' about it. I used my laptop in a work environment, and have practically seen Windows 8 making me less efficient at work. I as a consumer have my right to complain and speak out, just as you, or anybody. I can not 'move on' to OSx/Linux, out of the frying pan, and into the fire?

Blueclub said,

I used my laptop in a work environment, and have practically seen Windows 8 making me less efficient at work.

That's pretty much your own damn fault

SteveyAyo said,
That's pretty much your own damn fault

I work as customer support rep for a business in the US, Since year start 2013, I have only had complains from our customers that they can not 'work' on Window 8, almost 80% got a replacement to Windows 7. I can not mention the name of the companies the clients work for, but most are big names.

THAT, plus the sales of Windows 8 prove what I just said.

Blueclub said,
When I am working, I am working and don't have time to waste. With the old menu I can access 20+ applications + advance user features (I am talking about the shutdown and control panel, lol) by moving my mouse as little as possible.

I will have no problem agreeing its just me, if someone can prove that the new 'start screen' is as 'work efficient' as the old start menu?

Wanna shut it down? Alt+F4 and you're good too go (Sleep, Shutdown, Restart)...

Actually, no they don't. Id explain it to you but really its become clear that youre just trolling. The PC market at the launch of Windows 7 and Windows 8 are vastly different and I don't believe your BS numbers... I work at apple and 100% of customers upgraded to Windows 8, see? I can do it too

SteveyAyo said,
Ignorance is bliss too... although you seem rather worked up over yours...

I am not ignorant, heck, I never gave into the hype about its 'start screen' and bought 5 copies for my self, for all my computers. I am mostly OK with evolving to the new tech, for me few decisions in Windows 8 don't make any sense.

Blueclub said,
When I am working, I am working and don't have time to waste. With the old menu I can access 20+ applications + advance user features (I am talking about the shutdown and control panel, lol) by moving my mouse as little as possible.

I will have no problem agreeing its just me, if someone can prove that the new 'start screen' is as 'work efficient' as the old start menu?

Wanna shut it down? Alt+F4 and you're good too go (Sleep, Shutdown, Restart)...

ibsan said,

Wanna shut it down? Alt+F4 and you're good too go (Sleep, Shutdown, Restart)...


So you think that is faster than two mouse clicks? REMEMBER I am talking about WORK EFFICIENCY here. The reason, most people that are now buying PCs are either buying them for work, or games.

SteveyAyo said,
I work at apple and 100% of customers upgraded to Windows 8, see? I can do it too

I won't lie for the sake of a friendly debate, if you think otherwise, then lets stop debating here. Have a great day!

Blueclub said,

I have used Windows 8 for a few months, how is it more customizable, and work efficient in a work environment compared to start menu?

Coming in 8.1, you'll be able to configure what screen the Start Button will show, for example you can go directly to most used apps, or the all apps list in general, and skip the Start Screen completely.

Blueclub said,

What purpose will the 'tiles' serve in a WORK environment? As I already said, if I want entertainment, FB updates, I will get a tab, the only reason people now are buying PCs is to work or play games.

I will never understand why many here are obsessed over work like it's the only thing they do, but if you must, live tiles can display crucial work related information, for example, a Modern based helpdesk app could display updated ticket information. Live tiles don't just have to be "Suzie like your status".

Dot Matrix said,

Coming in 8.1, you'll be able to configure what screen the Start Button will show, for example you can go directly to most used apps, or the all apps list in general, and skip the Start Screen completely.


I am looking forward to that, have a computer ready with Window 8 to put the upgrade on

Dot Matrix said,

I will never understand why many here are obsessed over work like it's the only thing they do, but if you must, live tiles can display crucial work related information, for example, a Modern based helpdesk app could display updated ticket information. Live tiles don't just have to be "Suzie like your status".


I work as a freelancer, from a 3rd world country, I got a great CS gig, but it comes with timelines, deadlines, and competitive response time, for me everything is about being as efficient as I can, I have found Window 8 to be breaking my efficiency in many ways, 8.1 will change that hopefully.

virtorio said,
Couple of reasons:
- An actual visual object users can see and click on
- Can be configured to open the All Apps view directly
- All Apps view has been improved with sorting options

Would be great if we could customise the all apps view in an easier way than opening the location through Windows Explorer. But I can live with that...

It is the "great divide" between those who use a PC for creative work and content creation vs those who use a PC to download content, play games, surf the Internet. So, we have Windows-7 for the former and Windows-8 for the latter. Regrettably, Microsoft created this needless "divide" when they chose to eliminate the choice of UI to use with Windows-8.

Blueclub said,

So you think that is faster than two mouse clicks? REMEMBER I am talking about WORK EFFICIENCY here. The reason, most people that are now buying PCs are either buying them for work, or games.

In Windows 8.1 Shutdown options will be listed in the right click menu on the Start Button.

TsarNikky said,
It is the "great divide" between those who use a PC for creative work and content creation vs those who use a PC to download content, play games, surf the Internet. So, we have Windows-7 for the former and Windows-8 for the latter. Regrettably, Microsoft created this needless "divide" when they chose to eliminate the choice of UI to use with Windows-8.

Huh? I don't recall Microsoft ever blocking me from clicking on the desktop tile.

You want to be efficient, but you use mouse to access applications? Really? lmao
You really must be very efficient at what you do, lol

Blueclub said,
When I am working, I am working and don't have time to waste. With the old menu I can access 20+ applications + advance user features (I am talking about the shutdown and control panel, lol) by moving my mouse as little as possible.

You can access more than 20 apps from the old Start menu efficiently? Please provide a screenshot because I doubt that. If you put so much links to apps on the menu it gets as tall as the Start screen. Otherwise you end up with a lot of subfolders.

Most advanced users I know (me included) pin their most used apps to the Taskbar, they pin the Control Panel to the Taskbar as well and pin specific settings to the Jump List of the Control Panel icon.

Microsoft's own data has shown that most users don't use the Start menu on Windows 7 on a daily basis because of the quick search and Jump Lists.

While you may have to click once more to shut down your PC on Windows 8 with a mouse, booting and shut down itself is much faster and therefore not less efficient. And why not simply use the power button again?

All your complains only show that you aren't really ready to try new things. That's OK, it is your personal decision but don't blame Windows 8 for that. Your view on PC is for productivity and tablets are for entertainment only shows this really well.

Blueclub said,
When I am working, I am working and don't have time to waste. With the old menu I can access 20+ applications + advance user features (I am talking about the shutdown and control panel, lol) by moving my mouse as little as possible.

I will have no problem agreeing its just me, if someone can prove that the new 'start screen' is as 'work efficient' as the old start menu?

The Start Menu is kind of archaic. Pin your top 15-20 applications to the task bar like the rest of the world has been doing since we got Windows 7. The Start Screen is perfectly fine for launching anything else, and I've come to enjoy using several Metro apps even on a desktop box.

ok.. do this:
1. Right click the Taskbar. Click Toolbars, and then New Toolbar
2.Computer > Local Disc C (or whatever your C drive is labeled) > Program Data > Microsoft > Windows > Start Menu. Click on Start Menu to make it appear in the Folder: textbox
3.Click Select Folder and that's it! The Start menu reimagined

_aLfa_ said,
You want to be efficient, but you use mouse to access applications? Really? lmao
You really must be very efficient at what you do, lol

Enlighten me, I have to send 5 emails out in 10 minutes, all emails will require custom support response that almost takes up the 2 minutes, before I email the client I have to validate him, that requires copying his email, and pasting it in the verification box of the CRM, thats the third text box. Please help me find a faster way to do this, without using a mouse, please!!!

If you're playing games, keyboard maybe the most efficient, but when it comes to emails, photo editing, web, power point, and a host of 'productive' suites, you need a MOUSE.

tiadimundo said,
All your complains only show that you aren't really ready to try new things. That's OK, it is your personal decision but don't blame Windows 8 for that. Your view on PC is for productivity and tablets are for entertainment only shows this really well.

As I said earlier, I am ready to accept it as my fault, if it can be proven, the sales and work efficiency say otherwise.

tiadimundo said,
Your view on PC is for productivity and tablets are for entertainment only shows this really well.

If you still belive thats not true, you're living in 2010. The increasing sales of tablets, declining sales of the PC, and the peoples behaviour on how they are using tablets/PCS is a testament to that.

Blueclub said,
When I am working, I am working and don't have time to waste. With the old menu I can access 20+ applications + advance user features (I am talking about the shutdown and control panel, lol) by moving my mouse as little as possible.

I will have no problem agreeing its just me, if someone can prove that the new 'start screen' is as 'work efficient' as the old start menu?

When I am working, I am working and don't have time to waste. I can access all my applications without ever touching my mouse, in windows 7 and windows 8

XerXis said,
When I am working, I am working and don't have time to waste. I can access all my applications without ever touching my mouse, in windows 7 and windows 8

This means you'r a power user, unfortunately, MOST... like more than 90%+ of the workforce, isn't.

Blueclub said,

copying his email, and pasting it in the verification box of the CRM, thats the third text box. Please help me find a faster way to do this, without using a mouse, please!!!
Well, the Tab key is a pretty handy feature present since, like, 1846.

Blueclub said,

. . .but when it comes to photo editing. . .
Ehhh... I actually use a Wacom tablet for Photoshop. It's much more efficient.

Blueclub said,

. . .web. . .
After using my Surface Pro for months, I can say that touch is pretty handy for the web. Scrolling and zooming, if nothing else.

Mulsivaas said,
Well, the Tab key is a pretty handy feature present since, like, 1846.

So how do you propose to COPY the email (and by copy, I mean copy from the email FROM)? Press tab, OK. Then how to reach the third textbox in the 2nd row (the first row has 4 boxes)? As I said, I am really interested.

Mulsivaas said,
Ehhh... I actually use a Wacom tablet for Photoshop. It's much more efficient.

Ahh.... can everyone buy a Wacom?

Mulsivaas said,
After using my Surface Pro for months, I can say that touch is pretty handy for the web. Scrolling and zooming, if nothing else.

As I have already said, Windows 8 on tablet works great, PC, not so much.

EDIT: Oh, and just to add, your assuming that I have only one application open (browser), and am not using tabs in the browser, lets say I am not, but then I usually have 4 or more application open at any given time, that ALT+TAB+TAB+TAB+TAB, or ALT+TAB+TAB on average.

Edited by Blueclub, Jun 25 2013, 9:35am :

tiadimundo said,

You can access more than 20 apps from the old Start menu efficiently? Please provide a screenshot because I doubt that. If you put so much links to apps on the menu it gets as tall as the Start screen. Otherwise you end up with a lot of subfolders.

Here is the screenshot: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25628233/Untitled.png Thats less than 3/4 of my laptop screen height.
.. Clicking the top most icon in the start menu takes less time than opening the start screen and clicking the right most top icon.

tiadimundo said,

Most advanced users I know (me included) pin their most used apps to the Taskbar, they pin the Control Panel to the Taskbar as well and pin specific settings to the Jump List of the Control Panel icon.

I do have 'most used' applications pinned to the task bar.

tiadimundo said,
Microsoft's own data has shown that most users don't use the Start menu on Windows 7 on a daily basis because of the quick search and Jump Lists.

If thats the case then I am wrong and need to learn more. But why did MS buckled under the pressure start button is back, isn't it?

tiadimundo said,
While you may have to click once more to shut down your PC on Windows 8 with a mouse, booting and shut down itself is much faster and therefore not less efficient. And why not simply use the power button again?

That was an argument, for an argument, you'r right.

tiadimundo said,
All your complains only show that you aren't really ready to try new things. That's OK, it is your personal decision but don't blame Windows 8 for that. Your view on PC is for productivity and tablets are for entertainment only shows this really well.

If you still belive thats not true, you're living in 2010. The increasing sales of tablets, declining sales of the PC, and the peoples behaviour on how they are using tablets/PCS is a testament to that.

Are you saying that you don't like the Start screen compared to the Start menu because it takes up so much space when open? Tell me exactly what you're doing when the Start menu is open that requires you to have it open and let your eyes wander the other 3/5 of the screen.

A final thought before I leave for good: If you're SUUUCH a busy person who has SUUUCHH important things to do on a computer (so important, in fact, that improvements to the Windows experience that you simply refuse to get to know hinder you)... then why are you spending so much time arguing on a stupid thread on the Internet?

Mulsivaas said,
Are you saying that you don't like the Start screen compared to the Start menu because it takes up so much space when open? Tell me exactly what you're doing when the Start menu is open that requires you to have it open and let your eyes wander the other 3/5 of the screen.

A final thought before I leave for good: If you're SUUUCH a busy person who has SUUUCHH important things to do on a computer (so important, in fact, that improvements to the Windows experience that you simply refuse to get to know hinder you)... then why are you spending so much time arguing on a stupid thread on the Internet?


Lets just leave it here, no point in arguing this much. Time will tell

SteveyAyo said,

Actually, its not... pressing the start button will not take you away from the desktop which was admittedly a jarring effect, now it merely overlays a tile interface on your current desktop image which is essentially a full screen start menu with more information.

Apparently (based on what I read), you can press WIN+Q to bring a search screen that will allow you to search for the application you want to load, without covering the entire desktop (which I agree is a pain and you don't need to justify yourself to a fanboy). In my personal view that would do it (at least) for me.

Blueclub said,

Enlighten me, I have to send 5 emails out in 10 minutes, all emails will require custom support response that almost takes up the 2 minutes, before I email the client I have to validate him, that requires copying his email, and pasting it in the verification box of the CRM, thats the third text box. Please help me find a faster way to do this, without using a mouse, please!!!

If you're playing games, keyboard maybe the most efficient, but when it comes to emails, photo editing, web, power point, and a host of 'productive' suites, you need a MOUSE.

Why did you bring your emails issue? (which you probably don't need the mouse that much anyway... CTRL+C TAB ALT+TAB CTRL+V, and whatever shortcuts are needed for whatever you are doing. Remember that most applications also allow you to change shortcuts for some tasks)

You were discussing the start menu. The way I use it is:
<windows key>
type 1 or 2 or 3 letters of the application I want to open, say 'fir' for firefox if I want to test some website in firefox
<return key>

By the way, that's also what I do in OSX:
<cmd> + <space>
type 1 or 2 letters
<return key>

Do you really think I'm going to use the mouse for that, lol...

Also, in windows you even have more choices:
1) You can pin an application to the task bar and just press <windows key> + <1, 2, 3, ...> (10 applications at the distance of 2 key presses)
2) jump lists for documents
3) create another task bar with applications or documents you use a lot, or even contacts for the emails you mentioned

Dude, don't tell me you are an efficient user if you need a mouse just to open an application.

_aLfa_ said,
Dude, don't tell me you are an efficient user if you need a mouse just to open an application.

Time the time it takes you to 'type in' a app, and the time it takes to open it via start menu. I rest my case.

Blueclub said,

Time the time it takes you to 'type in' a app, and the time it takes to open it via start menu. I rest my case.

In fairness I've seen people typing faster than many people can use the mouse. The verdict, in my opinion, is that there is nothing wrong with CHOICE.

pmdci said,

In fairness I've seen people typing faster than many people can use the mouse. The verdict, in my opinion, is that there is nothing wrong with CHOICE.


Agreed.

Blueclub said,

Time the time it takes you to 'type in' a app, and the time it takes to open it via start menu. I rest my case.

Are you serious? lol
Your hands are on the keyboard... Just moving the hand to grab the mouse (or moving it to mousepad), dragging the cursor to the corner and then moving it to the application icon or row that you want is faster than pressing 3 or 4 keys?

Do you realize you are just proving my point?

Ezekiel Carsella said,
considering 8.1 is free most people can't complain right?

They'll find something to complain about. Once a complainer, always a complainer. There's no pleasing some people, no matter how hard you try.

technically only free to people who already have Windows 8... people who refused to upgrade because they decided Metro wasn't good enough will have to pay quite a bit for it

Dot Matrix said,

They'll find something to complain about. Once a complainer, always a complainer. There's no pleasing some people, no matter how hard you try.

So you have never complained once in your life?

Mackster said,

So you have never complained once in your life?

I'm talking about those who are never happy with anything. They'll always find something to complain about, no matter how insignificant.

Dot Matrix said,

I'm talking about those who are never happy with anything. They'll always find something to complain about, no matter how insignificant.
So people who found issues with Windows 8 complain about everything in life?

People make a career out of complaining about what MS does. At this point it literally doesn't matter what they do the media and tech pundits have determined that people should hate MS and that is what they will do no matter what.

ozzy76 said,
So people who found issues with Windows 8 complain about everything in life?

Common sense, dude. When did you lose it?

Dot Matrix said,

They'll find something to complain about. Once a complainer, always a complainer. There's no pleasing some people, no matter how hard you try.


unfortunately we have lots of them in this forum

Dot Matrix said,

They'll find something to complain about. Once a complainer, always a complainer. [...]

That's right. For example the amount of fanboy BS that come with Windows 8.x is intolerable.

I have strong criticisms for Windows 8. Windows 8.1 addressed most of them. Done. Like most people, I move on.

SteveyAyo said,
technically only free to people who already have Windows 8... people who refused to upgrade because they decided Metro wasn't good enough will have to pay quite a bit for it

You mean pay for a major OS upgrade? What craziness is that?!?! LMAO

SteveyAyo said,
technically only free to people who already have Windows 8... people who refused to upgrade because they decided Metro wasn't good enough will have to pay quite a bit for it

what a very odd viewpoint.

people who don't have windows 8 wont have pay for 8.1, as they cant get it. If they want windows 8 of course they'll need to pay for it, then they can install the free 8.1 update like others.

your wording makes it sound like some would need to pay specifically for 8.1 and comes across like your trying for a negative spin.

bviktor said,
Common sense, dude. When did you lose it?
The second I had to read Dot Matrix's comments, I suggest you doing the same so you can better understand the context of my question.

They wont be able to get the 8.1 TRIAL...

they will absolutely be able to buy the official Windows 8.1 release, for a considerable chunk of change, which is what they get for missing out on the $40 deal

Dot Matrix said,

I'm talking about those who are never happy with anything. They'll always find something to complain about, no matter how insignificant.

I am not happy with Windows 8 as I don't like crappy Metro. I will complain about this as long as it is there in a same manner you will complain that people are complaining about their dislikes of Win 8. By the way, Gartner are fooling themselves if they think enterprise will go ahead and start mass deploying Win 8.1 as there is nothing significant changed in win 8.1 from 8. atleast on Desktop front.

Auditor said,

I am not happy with Windows 8 as I don't like crappy Metro. I will complain about this as long as it is there in a same manner you will complain that people are complaining about their dislikes of Win 8. By the way, Gartner are fooling themselves if they think enterprise will go ahead and start mass deploying Win 8.1 as there is nothing significant changed in win 8.1 from 8. atleast on Desktop front.

Then why not save your hot air and change it? Windows still allows third party customizations like it always has. Also, how do you know companies will not embrace modern apps? They're not tied to the desktop, just like they're not tied to the CLI or any other environment that has come before it.

Auditor said,

I am not happy with Windows 8 as I don't like crappy Metro. I will complain about this as long as it is there in a same manner you will complain that people are complaining about their dislikes of Win 8. By the way, Gartner are fooling themselves if they think enterprise will go ahead and start mass deploying Win 8.1 as there is nothing significant changed in win 8.1 from 8. atleast on Desktop front.

I work for one of the largest financial companies in the world, and they're currently deploying Windows 8 to all the company's desktops and notebooks in waves of several thousand at a time. Two acquaintances I have spoken to at other Fortune 100 companies have mentioned that their IT departments have started doing similar things. I think adoption of Windows 8 is on the uptake in the enterprise, even in traditionally conservative sectors.

Actually, 8.1 is a pretty clear validation of what all those 'whiners' have been complaining about, hence the story...Its the Derp apologists that have been proven incorrect.

Dot Matrix said,

They'll find something to complain about. Once a complainer, always a complainer. There's no pleasing some people, no matter how hard you try.

Why do you even care about what a bunch of strangers think? I mean, what does it say about the one who COMPLAINS about the complainers??? If you like Windows 8, great! But we are all entitled to our own opinions, and they are no less valid than yours, sir. So ignore the negativity and move on with your life.

Honestly, I've found that most people who belittle others often have very low self-esteem. Thus the need to tear people down. Apparently that makes them feel better about themselves.

Sad.

Edited by COKid, Jun 24 2013, 5:35pm :

Dot Matrix said,

They'll find something to complain about. Once a complainer, always a complainer. There's no pleasing some people, no matter how hard you try.

Is a person who comments (complains) about a complainer a complainer themselves, thus completing the circle?

COKid said,

Why do you even care about what a bunch of strangers think? I mean, what does it say about the one who COMPLAINS about the complainers??? If you like Windows 8, great! But we are all entitled to our own opinions, and they are no less valid than yours, sir. So ignore the negativity and move on with your life.

Honestly, I've found that most people who belittle others often have very low self-esteem. Thus the need to tear people down. Apparently that makes them feel better about themselves.

Sad.

My self esteem is quite fine, thank you, nor was I complaining. I was making a statement. People will complain just to complain. It's what they do.

Dot Matrix said,

My self esteem is quite fine, thank you, nor was I complaining. I was making a statement. People will complain just to complain. It's what they do.

Don't forget that it's because of people unhappy with the decision Xboner made and voiced (Complain) their displeasure that saved MS @$$ by reversing their controversial DRM. If MS did not have kind of monopoly about the product which many people use and people had better alternatives then no one would have cared to complain as they would have simply moved to other product. By the direction which MS is taking lately is increasing lots of consumer dissatisfaction and goodwill loss of the company. It appears what MS build in last 30 years they are determined to loose in next 30-40 months.

SteveyAyo said,
Well you can whine and complain about Metro all you want... its not going away, and im happy about that

People like you said same thing about Xboner. That got reversed because of Sony. Now Win OS does not have same competition as its gaming console due to which MS is arrogantly refusing to reverse its course but they will learn to listen to their majority consumers eventually when gradually people will start getting less reliant on MS OS which is not very far in future. Till then you enjoy your flat color tiles.

horlufemi said,
they should just include classic/desktop mode and everyone would be happy! Microsoft you can please everyone.

Uh, the desktop *IS* still there...

pmdci said,

That's right. For example the amount of fanboy BS that come with Windows 8.x is intolerable.

I have strong criticisms for Windows 8. Windows 8.1 addressed most of them. Done. Like most people, I move on.

WTF, you are on a Windows news site.
It's only normal that you would find more people here that are in favor of the new Win 8.1.
That doesn't have to make you a fanboy straight away.

We have way to may whiners here already. If you don't like MS or what they do, go find a place that has info to your liking and just let us be

Stoffel said,
[...]It's only normal that you would find more people here that are in favor of the new Win 8.1.

Yes, including me. LEARN TO READ ENGLISH you fool.