GIF and WAV support coming to Windows Phone 8 with Apollo+ update?

Take this next bit of information with a pinch of salt but if you are willing to believe a forum comment on Reddit, it looks like the Windows Phone 8 update, Apollo+, will bring Gif and Wav support to the platform.

We haven't heard much officially from Microsoft but Apollo+ will be among the first updates to the Windows Phone 8 platform. The update is expected to arrive in Q1 of 2013. We should note that SoH_ArBiTeR did state that he/she works for Microsoft but we can't verify this information.

Posted below is the comment from Reddit that states the following information:

Now, obviously, we don't know the background of the individual but if you do follow his/her post history, they do appear to be quite knowledgeable on the subject. Only time will tell if the information is accurate, but we hope it's true.

With that being said, look for Apollo + to arrive in Q1 and hopefully it will bring Gif and Wav support along with a few other enhancements and tweaks that Microsoft is currently developing.

Source: Reddit

Thanks for the tip Sam!

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Like AVI, WAV is just a container format. The actual audio inside the file can be encoded with many different codecs. WP8 removed a bunch of old crappy obsolete codecs that Microsoft thought no one used any more.
Unfortunately it turns out some voice mail systems still use these old crappy obsolete codecs, so I guess Microsoft might have to put them back in an update.

I hope they also add proper USSD support.Up 'till now, I could see all my info when i typed in my USSD code, but my carrier has decided to split it up and have me press a specific button for each category. So basically, I can't see anything other than the list.

GIF support will be nice, but I don't see much use for it outside of IE, where it already works. As for WAV-I haven't used that in quite a few years.

Why would you want Wav support, anything above 192kbps is fine for a mobile device. GIF support could be handy for some people.

Gaffney said,
Why would you want Wav support, anything above 192kbps is fine for a mobile device. GIF support could be handy for some people.

Why do you need Beats Audio, equalizers and hardware DSP on mobiles if you limit yourself to 192kbps? Garbage in, garbage out, you see, but, I guess, a cool badge of a big name on the back makes it okay, even if you're actually tone-deaf.

Because I can. I sometimes work with uncompressed audio, it's the best way to record, too, so that I can later transcode without artefacts. And because every major desktop operating system has it. Mobile devices are said to replace desktop systems in not so distant future. I'm sorry, I don't like the way of catering to the lowest common denominator of society.

Phouchg said,

Why do you need Beats Audio, equalizers and hardware DSP on mobiles if you limit yourself to 192kbps? Garbage in, garbage out, you see, but, I guess, a cool badge of a big name on the back makes it okay, even if you're actually tone-deaf.

Because I can. I sometimes work with uncompressed audio, it's the best way to record, too, so that I can later transcode without artefacts. And because every major desktop operating system has it. Mobile devices are said to replace desktop systems in not so distant future. I'm sorry, I don't like the way of catering to the lowest common denominator of society.

You misread his comment. He said 192kbps or HIGHER (i.e. 192, 256, 320, etc)

Majesticmerc said,

You misread his comment. He said 192kbps or HIGHER (i.e. 192, 256, 320, etc)


Corrent. Indeed I did. I hope the rest of the argument stays valid.

Isn't it awesome how features that are a damn given on any desktop system, are being considered, rumored to probably appear on operating systems "of the future"?

Phouchg said,
Isn't it awesome how features that are a damn given on any desktop system, are being considered, rumored to probably appear on operating systems "of the future"?

Animated gifs worked in WP7 before other platforms.. (in browser) and wav support on mobile? hardly a critical feature.

Phouchg said,
Isn't it awesome how features that are a damn given on any desktop system, are being considered, rumored to probably appear on operating systems "of the future"?

I think what people miss and what you kinda point out with your comment is how powerful WP8 is set up to be. Theoretically, with the NT kernel, you could do a large percentage of what a Windows machine could do. A percentage, albeit limited by a small device form factor.

spudtrooper said,

Animated gifs worked in WP7 before other platforms.. (in browser) and wav support on mobile? hardly a critical feature.


I'm not interested in what is considered critical by some and and which of half-assed systems managed to implement what incompletely. Functionality cuts that serve no purpose other than being a tough job to care about are not excusable at all.
I also strongly suspect that it is for marketing purposes. These systems have been purposely born incomplete, to gradually add features, to keep people talking about them and keep them buying, instead of giving a full set, given the progress we've made with desktop systems.
Instead of adapting existing systems for power consumption, touch interfaces and small screens, there's reinventing the wheel and pulley on every step.
And still even then stupid bugs crop up more than serious ones - alarms not going off, DST corrections failing, random reboots, crashes, and, ffs, december missing.
I'm sorry, that kind of future strongly sucks.

Wyn6 said,

I think what people miss and what you kinda point out with your comment is how powerful WP8 is set up to be. Theoretically, with the NT kernel, you could do a large percentage of what a Windows machine could do. A percentage, albeit limited by a small device form factor.

Exactly. And it's not limited to NT. For every desktop system there's a huge codebase that's been fine-tuned for years, for numerous different devices and is rock-solid.
I might add, that for quite a long time now computing is no more the question of need, but want and can.

Edited by Phouchg, Dec 7 2012, 10:02pm :

Apparently GIFs aren't supported outside the IE browser. Correct me if I'm wrong.

That said, it would've not surprised me at all after finding out that Windows Phone 7's browser doesn't support touch events...

LaXu said,
Apparently GIFs aren't supported outside the IE browser. Correct me if I'm wrong.

That said, it would've not surprised me at all after finding out that Windows Phone 7's browser doesn't support touch events...

GIF's are supported in browser and yes, the WP7 browser from Mango onward supported touch events.. PhoneGap has supported the platform for a while as well.

"We should note that SoH_ArBiTeR did state that he/she works for Microsoft but we can't verify this information"

urm..

I know neowin loves windows phone 8 but lets be honest. Their (MS) pace with features is not quick enough when you are at least a year behind. I expect much more before i switch to their platform. Currently there is simply no added value going windows phone.

typu said,
I know neowin loves windows phone 8 but lets be honest. Their (MS) pace with features is not quick enough when you are at least a year behind. I expect much more before i switch to their platform. Currently there is simply no added value going windows phone.

the UX is reason alone

typu said,
I know neowin loves windows phone 8 but lets be honest. Their (MS) pace with features is not quick enough when you are at least a year behind. I expect much more before i switch to their platform. Currently there is simply no added value going windows phone.

MS only just released WP8, and are already releasing an update pretty early next year. So basically within the next few months. When Android and iOS often get yearly updates. Yet you're saying the Windows Phone pace isn't fast enough...

typu said,

Form over function. Seriously?

Seriously. I love the fluid interface of my Lumia 710 and would never replace it with a laggish-buggish Android handset. I've seen a lot of them, but sometimes even adding an email account is a challenge for them. And navigating in the menus is inconsistent and ugly. Thank you but no, thank you.

But uh, I can't PING from my cell phone. Damn, I don't know how I survived so far.

Anyway, your comments imply that users use ALL available features on their devices, which is plain wrong.

typu said,

Form over function. Seriously?

Usability is function. The form over function refers to a part of the design that gives the user no added benefit other than looking nice - using white for the computer case rather than the old tan. Windows Phone and Win8 use simple uncluttered UI constructs to make the UI more usable. And yes, usability can be made to look nice, there are many WP and Win8 apps out there that make form functional.

typu said,
I know neowin loves windows phone 8 but lets be honest. Their (MS) pace with features is not quick enough when you are at least a year behind. I expect much more before i switch to their platform. Currently there is simply no added value going windows phone.

The pace is slow??? Are you nuts?

Keep in mind that you have to consider all the things they did first, and are still leading on too. You can't say, oh they don't have that but ignore what they do have...

typu said,
I know neowin loves windows phone 8 but lets be honest. Their (MS) pace with features is not quick enough when you are at least a year behind. I expect much more before i switch to their platform. Currently there is simply no added value going windows phone.

I think you're right, but considering the time WP has in the market, they're doing a good job, but I must say that after watching a video of the latest update of Android on the Galaxy S3 with the multiwindow feature, I was wow! I've been a fan of Windows Mobile and Windows Phone but with the latest hardware and software updates I think Android is very appealing to me right now :-O

Now, returning to the topic, not very interested on the support of such formats, maybe GIF like an extra.

yowanvista said,
Wow, WP8 doesn't even support such things?? It must really be an OS from the prehistoric computing era.. /s

Uh, so much we missed. Like farting cat gifs from 4chan. Must have.

68k said,
Who uses WAV and GIF nowadays?

MP3/M4A and PNG are the modern standards.

Will I do. Actually, my home VoIP provider does. Voicemails are sent to my email account as a .wave file. So, right now, it's a pain not being able to listen to my home voicemail when I'm out.

XMac said,
I myself am wondering why we aren't using APNG instead of GIF.

They would, if it weren't for the fact that almost NOTHING supports it. It's the same reason nobody uses JPEG2000, despite being better than JPEG in every way.

Majesticmerc said,
the same reason nobody uses JPEG2000, despite being better than JPEG in every way.

It is not better in EVERY way. The main problem for not using JPEG2000 is that it is pretty hard on system resources, so for cameras to support it, they would need to pack a lot more CPU-power.
Also, I think there are some licensing problems with that format.

XMac said,
Well yeah, that's my point. Why aren't those browsers supporting it? It honestly can't be that hard to add as a feature.

It was developed by Mozilla, which is why only Mozilla and Opera support it. It's not part of any official web standards and isn't supported by the PNG Group.

So what? yet again Microsoft is blocking features unless you live in the USA?

Tell you what Microsoft, get back to me when you open up your platform to the rest of the world, and I'll think about buying one.