Google forces MetroTalk to be pulled from Windows Phone store

Google Voice is a service that allows you to use one phone number on all of your devices and if you are on Windows Phone, MetroTalk is an option for you to use Google voice on this platform. But, for those of you who are currently using MetroTalk, Google is shutting down the third-party app and it will be pulled from the Windows Store in May of 2014.

It is unclear if this is a personal attack at Microsoft because the two companies have been battling it out in the app world and in the courtrooms over the past few years or if Google has a legitimate reason for this request. This could be Google’s move to rid all of its products from the Windows Phone Store that 3rd parties utilize to bring Google services to Windows Phone users or there may be something more to the picture here. But, at this time, the request seems like it was made with derogatory intentions without any other information to go on.

MetroTalk says that the removal of the app is beyond their control and in may of 2014, it will pull its App from the Windows Phone Store. More so, the note posted on MetroTalks website (posted above) says that this move affects all Google Voice apps in the Windows Phone store.

This is a blow not only to consumers who want to use Google Voice on Windows Phones but also to Microsoft who is actively trying to fill out its online marketplace. 

Source: Metrotalk

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I just find it quite ironic that Google and Apple have a war going on with their services for iOS. Apple was quite determined to get Google's services off their OS, yet Google still developed for it. Though With WP, its different, Microsoft is creating apps for Android, Microsoft is also allowing or wants Google Apps for WP, but Google won't do it. Google seems quite determined to prevent WP from succeeding even though their real war is with Apple

Sonne said,

zero of my friends have a Windows Phone


Greetings from China - the world's biggest market (larger than all North America PLUS Europe combined). NOBODY here uses Google. WP is doing quite well.

Google got their ass kicked by the local boys (Baidu) and ran away squealing like a stuck pig. Nobody's heard from them since.

Major_Plonquer said,

Greetings from China - the world's biggest market (larger than all North America PLUS Europe combined). NOBODY here uses Google.

Google got their ass kicked by the local boys (Baidu) and ran away squealing like a stuck pig. Nobody's heard from them since.

Nobody in China has a choice and Google didn't get their ass kicked they got hacked and stolen from your dictatorship so that your internet can be monitored and censored.

Enjoy

Yep. In a situation like this, the end user suffers. It's a damn shame but Google has a right to enforce their Terms of Service regarding 3rd party apps and Google Voice. I hope they release an official Google Voice app but that seems unlikely.

I am done with google for a while now. just because the lost their openness and became a nasty business. In my opinion Microsoft and Google swapped their place. Microsoft is more open and innovative nowadays.
I admit it that google's new devices such as nexus 5 are really appealing but just because google is being an ars*** recently I refuse to use their services and devices. simply I don't trust google anymore. period.

There are official Google Voice apps for Android and iPhone. There is not one for Windows Phone. Considering the growing number of users (70 million+), that is anti-consumer. No other way to view it.

IMO, MsNeeds to stop supporting Google too, as it pertains to office and Xbox music. Continue to release for Apple but not for Google..

If Microsoft decided to drop support for Android, they'd not only be hurting themselves but they'd risk getting fined by the EU.

This is totally fine!, in fact it was expected long time ago... nothing to be worry! Hangouts app for Windows Phone is coming next month, probably that is the reason.

I don't use Google Voice but this is an inconvenience to those that do. Fortunately, it isn't just limited to 3rd party apps on Windows Phone.

I am starting to get ****ed off at Google. I understand that yes its their API and they don't want others using it, but at least make your own app if you are going to do this. Wars against another competitor should not involve harming the customer.
And for those talking about Microsofts Anti Competitive past, look at them now. Microsoft is offering their services like Office365 on other platforms and developing great apps.

wv@gt said,
I am starting to get ****ed off at Google. I understand that yes its their API and they don't want others using it.

Interesting Google went to court to fight Oracle so they could use the Java API. Now they won't let other company use their API. Two faced or what?

That's what happens when you base an app on a 3rd party service you don't control. This has been the argument against reliance on cloud services.

Geezy said,
That's what happens when you base an app on a 3rd party service you don't control. This has been the argument against reliance on cloud services.

Google's Android is based on Oracle's Java API - which they use and distribute without payment.

5 years ago I was so super pro Google it wasn't even funny. How the times have changed. Sure they have the right to do this but they're still jerks.

This is the equivalent of a weak slap to the face. What Microsoft and Apple are doing with "Rockstar" is a kick in the groin.

I use Google Voice on an Android Phone. It is very useful so that I don't have to maintain a separate personal cell phone - I can have my work phone number, and a separate personal number that is mobile.

I can also text from a web browser as well, and listen to voice mail without actually having to use a phone - and it's free.

I'd use Skype if it were free for what I use Google Voice for - but they are simply different products. All this does is ensures that I'll never use a Windows Phone, unless Google makes a Windows Phone Google Voice client, which it looks like they probably will never do.

If there is a free Microsoft product that has the same feature set - I'm all ears.

This may very be a prelude to charging for it like they didn't with Google Apps. There wouldn't be much reason to get rid of other clients unless they plan to implement a pay wall.

and this is what people are getting emotional about. Google are clearly trying to keep their product off of WP so that it cannot gain traction. In a free market you cant blame them for that. Whether they can pull this off or whether they will be forced to allow it is another matter.

agressiv said,
I use Google Voice on an Android Phone. It is very useful so that I don't have to maintain a separate personal cell phone - I can have my work phone number, and a separate personal number that is mobile.

I can also text from a web browser as well, and listen to voice mail without actually having to use a phone - and it's free.

I'd use Skype if it were free for what I use Google Voice for - but they are simply different products. All this does is ensures that I'll never use a Windows Phone, unless Google makes a Windows Phone Google Voice client, which it looks like they probably will never do.

If there is a free Microsoft product that has the same feature set - I'm all ears.

Most people emulate that same concept through the activation of a physically separate phone (or, they have the one phone, and don't need the hassle of a superfluous number). For them, Skype (or Hangouts) is still a perfect alternative communication service. I also agree with Spicoli; I think they plan to turn this into a paid service, similar to Skype's current implementation: calls between Google accounts are free, but if you want your own number, you'll need to pay up. I also definitely see them folding Voice into Hangouts too.

The big difference is that on a phone, Google Voice still requires a working cell phone; Skype works on devices such as an iPod Touch and is 100% VoIP (if you pay for it). However, Google Voice on a computer is a working VoIP device (soft phone like Skype). Domestic calls are free, international calls are cheap. My number also rings on my computer so if I have my headset on, I don't even need to pick up the phone.

But yeah, if they start charging for it, I'd probably drop it. Right now it's just a convenience.

I am VERY pleased to hear this. With each app that Google bans and pulls from WP store, more people move to MS services. Thanks for nothing Google and goodbye! I don't know why they think people will dump a phone and but Android when they can swap to Skype, very short sighted but Google just don't care about their users.

Google is slipping in my eyes every time they do something like this.
Now, if only a real competitor to youtube surfaced, I can be google-free all together.

Enron said,
Just use Youtube with all ads blocked. Google Analytics and Google Ads do not reach any of my computers.

Thats exactly what I do. Use their services, don't login, don't click on any ads, just use them. Its good to treat google like this.

Basically, as others said, Google is well within their rights to do this. But if they're going to block third party apps on WP, and not make their own official one, it makes them a bunch of pricks.

Wapoz said,
Meh, weaned myself off of google products months ago. Haven't looked back or regretted it once.

I've been using Bing Videos since I was born boy is it better than Youtube.

I wish MS can block Google Chrome from their OS for a couple of months, so that Google will feel how it is to take their own medicine. Oh well, wishful thinking.

Don't think that will happen. Google will go and cry to European court right away as they always do.

RommelS said,
I wish MS can block Google Chrome from their OS for a couple of months, so that Google will feel how it is to take their own medicine. Oh well, wishful thinking.

ogamawab said,
Microsoft needs a voip app to fire back... Making Windows phone appealing with wifi calling...

I'm guessing you mean free, since they do have Skype.

Skype needs to give 'free' outgoing numbers to Windows Phone users, and allow picture messaging through IM. Please do this Microsoft, I want to use your platform, but Google actually has me locked in. My fault, but I like Google Voice, hate android and its android lag.

ObiWanToby said,
Skype needs to give 'free' outgoing numbers to Windows Phone users, and allow picture messaging through IM. Please do this Microsoft, I want to use your platform, but Google actually has me locked in. My fault, but I like Google Voice, hate android and its android lag.

Ah, you're not asking them to simply match Google Voice, you want them to go further.

GV is notorious for not supporting MMS.

Or Empty Trash.

If you're going to block third parties from doing apps that use your services then you might as well make official apps yourself. If Google is going to go down this path yet still decide it doesn't care about WP even though these past few days we've seen news posted that it's a growing 3rd mobile OS then it doesn't look like anything than a attack on the platform.

If they did block but also turned around and made their own apps available it wouldn't be a issue, but they don't and their excuse that WPs market share is too small to bother is slowly, with each new quarter, crumbling.

deadonthefloor said,

Or, make an official supported API. That seems to be the crux here is that devs reverse engineered the APIs to create their apps.

Or that, but right now there is official google voice apps on android and iOS from them but they're still not going to make them for WP it seems. And if someone tries they'll block it, or change the TOS and move the goal posts like with the whole YouTube issue. I mean, come on, it has to be a HTML5 app now? Why aren't the official youtube apps on android and iOS HTML5 then? It's this sort of thing that can get people mad.

uxo22 said,
This has anti-trust written all over it. Yet, they keep getting away with it.

Anti-trust requires having a majority share. Google Voice is far from having a majority share in anything.

They have a majority share in the cell phone market. Besides, let's not grasp for straws you know they are being jerks.

uxo22 said,
They have a majority share in the cell phone market. Besides, let's not grasp for straws you know they are being jerks.

How is enforcing their ToS count as them "being jerks" ? Also the "cell phone market" has nothing to do with Google Voice.

I think it is not as bad as the article says...

Google is shuting down 3rd party apps support for Google Voice (all of them, on Windows Phone, iOS, Android or whatever) and they are asking, for what I could understand, that they had to remove the application from the Store, but it will continue working and providing updates until the sunset date.

I see it the same as preventing "new signups" for a service that will be discontinued, but leting existing users continue to use it until it shuts down, so no more users will be upset by the decision and to minimize inconvenience.

A different thing is if Google should stop supporting 3rd party apps, but this is not what the article is about...

Google getting chrome to run on Windows may be their way of bringing apps to the platform. May not be the way some may want them... But since when has any company done anything that you agree with 100 percent. But who knows I am guessing and have no real info but rumors. Just like this topic.

Either way, I don't care. If Google does have some plan to get their apps on WP, cool. If not, who cares. Not going to get in the middle of a Google/Microsoft feud and will continue to use products from both and enjoy my life.

Don't see a problem with this. In googles position I would do the same. Why help a company that charges your own partners for using your own OS. Google doesn't have to let their services be used on any platform or by anyone for that matter.

So you think it's ok for MS to ban all google products from Windows OS as well? ...

firey said,
Don't see a problem with this. In googles position I would do the same. Why help a company that charges your own partners for using your own OS. Google doesn't have to let their services be used on any platform or by anyone for that matter.

firey said,
Don't see a problem with this. In googles position I would do the same. Why help a company that charges your own partners for using your own OS. Google doesn't have to let their services be used on any platform or by anyone for that matter.
Google charges for their services. Your phone can't have Google Play and the other Google apps unless the manufacturer obtained the license. Android without Google's apps is barely any better than Symbian or Palm.

MDboyz said,
So you think it's ok for MS to ban all google products from Windows OS as well? ...

Microsoft doesn't own your computer so go ahead ban Chrome from oh wait..... how do you ban Chrome from Windows? Make it so users can't download it?
*cough* Haven't seen that before from MS *cough*

Microsoft has tried this before. They got f'd so hard.
Google isn't banning anyone from using the application they are banning the developers from accessing their servers.

Google is under no law to provide services on WP and they have every right to not support what they want if they think its in their best interest. I would just think that since Google makes most of its money via ad revenue that they would be eager to be on all platforms. WP may not be huge, but they sell several million units a year now, pushing closer to that 10% marketshare worldwide.

That doesn't make it good for the end user. Whatever their intentions, MS is on the high road in this case, while Google feels it helps their business to avoid WP at all costs. That's why all of these third party apps show up.

Google is perfectly within their rights to shut off access to their service outside of their official apps, it would just be nice if they made an effort for the end user in these cases.


firey said,
Don't see a problem with this. In googles position I would do the same. Why help a company that charges your own partners for using your own OS. Google doesn't have to let their services be used on any platform or by anyone for that matter.

Would you be okay with services banning certain web browsers? That's essentially what this client is.

Spicoli said,

Would you be okay with services banning certain web browsers? That's essentially what this client is.

No its not. How do web browsers have to do anything with Google Voice. Google Voice isn't a software you buy. It's a SERVICE that's maintained and provided by Google.

Customers have to right to do anything they want with the software they buy. You can do ANYTHING, and if Microsoft SPECIFICALLY makes a patch that restricts your ability to use this software to its fullest potential for anticompetitive reasons they get sued (which they did). What Microsoft's going through in the EU is a result of their own actions in the past.

trooper11 said,
Google is under no law to provide services on WP and they have every right to not support what they want if they think its in their best interest.

So? Being within the law doesn't mean we can't call them a bunch of slime buckets. It's especially ironic after they ripped off Java to make their mobile platform.

Spicoli said,

So? Being within the law doesn't mean we can't call them a bunch of slime buckets. It's especially ironic after they ripped off Java to make their mobile platform.

Ripped off Java? Should the makers of HTML sue Neowin for using HTML without paying them royalties?

lol... that's not how it works buddy. Google got sued for by Oracle for a different reason (for apparently stealing their implementation method / copying code verbatim)

onionjuice said,

Ripped off Java? Should the makers of HTML sue Neowin for using HTML without paying them royalties?

lol... that's not how it works buddy. Google got sued for by Oracle for a different reason (for apparently stealing their implementation method / copying code verbatim)

Yes, ripped off. The HTML reference doesn't appear to make any sense. The license for Java said you implement it, you have to follow the standards. They didn't. That's exactly what Microsoft sued for and ended up making C# instead.

onionjuice said,

No its not. How do web browsers have to do anything with Google Voice. Google Voice isn't a software you buy. It's a SERVICE that's maintained and provided by Google.

Yes, and SERVICE is what your web browser is accessing right now. Say they made all Google search SERVICES only usable by Chrome?

As a paid service you should be able to use it via a third party app. After all, you paid for the service.. What does it matter were you use it.

It seems that they want everyone out of their way for something they are working on. I guess they figure it's the only way to get everyone using what ever they come up with instead of sticking with a third party app they have been using for over a year. They don't want to do anything that would help to bolster Windows phone but now that it's showing some popularity they want to clear the way for their own stuff...

firey said,
Don't see a problem with this. In googles position I would do the same. Why help a company that charges your own partners for using your own OS. Google doesn't have to let their services be used on any platform or by anyone for that matter.

Perhaps MS should ban Chrome from all Windows OS', ban gmail from all web browsers used in windows OS'. Let me guess, then MS would be A-Holes right, yet you can't see it the same way when google does it.

"That's exactly what Microsoft sued for and ended up making C# instead."
---
Spicoli,
Don't you mean "Microsoft ^got sued for", or "^Sun sued for" as I'm assuming your referencing Sun vs. Microsoft?

firey said,
There is a big difference between affecting billions of customers vs a couple million.

Haha, that's hilarious! Can't believe you even said that...lol It's also funny how you said "Billions" vs "A couple Million" So how many billion was that, a couple? A few? You could have at least put the number on the billions and left millions abstract...

Anyway, I'm just rambling, the whole argument is stupid. Google is a bunch of dicks and everyone know it. They'll get their due at some point, and I'll be right there to enjoy their demise...lol

uxo22 said,

Haha, that's hilarious! Can't believe you even said that...lol It's also funny how you said "Billions" vs "A couple Million" So how many billion was that, a couple? A few? You could have at least put the number on the billions and left millions abstract...

Anyway, I'm just rambling, the whole argument is stupid. Google is a bunch of dicks and everyone know it. They'll get their due at some point, and I'll be right there to enjoy their demise...lol

Also, there is a difference between: "You can't use our software" and "You can only use our software."

MDboyz said,
So you think it's ok for MS to ban all google products from Windows OS as well? ...

Google isn't banning Microsoft products on Android.

What they are doing though is not releasing official apps for their services for the third player on the mobile market.
Now guess what: Microsoft is also not releasing their official apps for the third player on the desktop (and only a few for the second).

Are you going to get all mad about that too?

ichi said,

Google isn't banning Microsoft products on Android.

What they are doing though is not releasing official apps for their services for the third player on the mobile market.
Now guess what: Microsoft is also not releasing their official apps for the third player on the desktop (and only a few for the second).

Are you going to get all mad about that too?

It's one thing for google to not release their official apps, but they are also blocking third parties from doing the same. Stop trying to defend their BS tactics, you know it's BS yet you're still trying to spin it.

Well then MS can just ban google from using any Windows API to develop their software then.

ichi said,

Google isn't banning Microsoft products on Android.

What they are doing though is not releasing official apps for their services for the third player on the mobile market.
Now guess what: Microsoft is also not releasing their official apps for the third player on the desktop (and only a few for the second).

Are you going to get all mad about that too?

firey said,

Also, there is a difference between: "You can't use our software" and "You can only use our software."

haha, there is also something to be said about "you can use our software, but you, you, and you can't!" It would be different if Google was doing this to all other companies. Besides, blocking number 3 which is way behind, yet not blocking number 2 which is right up their butts in the market? What kind of BS is that?

One more thing, a third party building apps isn't Google's software, they are bullying third parties. This type of behavior need to be addressed, I hope the get fined a few billion dollars, they need to get the **** slapped out of them so that they can come to their senses and stop acting like a bullying monopoly.

uxo22 said,

It's one thing for google to not release their official apps, but they are also blocking third parties from doing the same. Stop trying to defend their BS tactics, you know it's BS yet you're still trying to spin it.

Sp├Čn what? The comparison I quoted just made no sense.

MDboyz said,
Well then MS can just ban google from using any Windows API to develop their software then.

This invalidates your point.
The point is, Google do not have published APIs to use.
If they did, this would be a whole different discussion.

I hate google just as much as the next Redmond Kool-Aid drinker, but come on....

Spicoli said,

So? Being within the law doesn't mean we can't call them a bunch of slime buckets. It's especially ironic after they ripped off Java to make their mobile platform.


Having permission from the original authors (ie. Sun, not Oracle) of said software is not the same as ripping it off.

It's rather funny that you just jump to the assertion that it has to be done on derogatory terms without any announcements from Google (especially given how many Neowin members make the exact reverse argument when it's Microsoft protecting their I.P). Yellow journalism at it's finest.

Javik said,
It's rather funny that you just jump to the assertion that it has to be done on derogatory terms without any announcements from Google (especially given how many Neowin members make the exact reverse argument when it's Microsoft protecting their I.P). Yellow journalism at it's finest.

While it may be the case that this wasn't intentionally done again MS users, their track record with us is so bad by now that they don't even deserve the benefit of doubt.

Google owe Microsoft nothing, the onus is on them to comply with Google's TOS, not the other way around. I don't know what it is with the trolls on here but it's as if the entire friggin tech industry owes Microsoft their charity or something. Funny thing is, if it were Microsoft shutting Google out in the same way most of you wouldn't hesitate to make the very same argument I'm making here.

Javik said,
Google owe Microsoft nothing, the onus is on them to comply with Google's TOS, not the other way around. I don't know what it is with the trolls on here but it's as if the entire friggin tech industry owes Microsoft their charity or something. Funny thing is, if it were Microsoft shutting Google out in the same way most of you wouldn't hesitate to make the very same argument I'm making here.

Microsoft didn't make the app nor used it. The rest of the strawman argument is a fail.

Never said they did, but the argument here is that it's being pulled as some sort of vendetta against Microsoft so it's still relevant. Besides, Microsoft vet all apps published to their store so they still bare ultimate responsibility for their misuse.

Javik said,
Google owe Microsoft nothing, the onus is on them to comply with Google's TOS, not the other way around. I don't know what it is with the trolls on here but it's as if the entire friggin tech industry owes Microsoft their charity or something. Funny thing is, if it were Microsoft shutting Google out in the same way most of you wouldn't hesitate to make the very same argument I'm making here.

Then you wouldn't mind Microsoft doing the same to Google?

hagjohn said,

Then you wouldn't mind Microsoft doing the same to Google?

Nope, I don't use any of Microsoft's web services so I wouldn't give a toss if they pulled them from Android.

Javik said,
Never said they did, but the argument here is that it's being pulled as some sort of vendetta against Microsoft so it's still relevant. Besides, Microsoft vet all apps published to their store so they still bare ultimate responsibility for their misuse.

That's exactly why it's being done and you know damn well it is. An the part about MS vetting all apps is just muddy water BS that you are spewing out. Child Please!

Javik said,

Nope, I don't use any of Microsoft's web services so I wouldn't give a toss if they pulled them from Android.


And you use android for work/Home use? Grow up.

I'm beginning to hate Google after all the respect I had for them. I wonder when this is gonna end and what will be the outcome of this war. One thing I know. It may end up hurting them.

xankazo said,
I'm beginning to hate Google after all the respect I had for them. I wonder when this is gonna end and what will be the outcome of this war. One thing I know. It may end up hurting them.

I agree 100%, They are actually acting like a Monopoly, perhaps it should be looked into.

It would only be acting like a monopoly if there were no alternatives to Google's services, but obviously there are, you can get along fine never having to use anything Google makes.

that's not how it works.

if you have a majority market share you are per definition a monopoly. being a monoply isn't illegal, abusing it IS. guess where that is putting google now...

AsherGZ said,
They are with some of their services like Youtube. So far there is no alternative.
Youtube isn't the problem; you can still use it on your phone just fine from the web. It's not like Youtube is an app-based service anyways; everyone with a desktop uses Youtube from the web.

Vimeo, and yeah that's how monopolies work.

lol do you think MS has a monopoly on the Xbox One because they're the only ones that make Xbox One? No, that's not how it works. Xbox One is a game system and other people make game systems.

Monopoly:exclusive control of a commodity or service in a particular market, or a control that makes possible the manipulation of prices.

Google does not have a monopoly on VoIP or video services. You can use other VoIP or video services. Google is not preventing you from using other VoIP or video services nor are they preventing others from offering competing services.

Edited by Geezy, Nov 5 2013, 8:47pm :

techbeck said,
Grab the popcorn. Sure the comments here will be entertaining
Big bag of kettle corn here. Trying to go the slightly healthier route during this one.

techbeck said,
Grab the popcorn. Sure the comments here will be entertaining

Cute. Don't worry about posting anything of substance though.

spenser.d said,

Cute. Don't worry about posting anything of substance though.

Funny, I made a another post a while ago.

Oh, and look who's talking.

Its ok for them to force whatever policies they want to on their services, just they should know they can't force me to find this in a good light for them. Every day my opinion of google dwindles, I now block all their ads, and mainly use YouTube only til there is an alternative.

SierraSonic said,
Its ok for them to force whatever policies they want to on their services, just they should know they can't force me to find this in a good light for them. Every day my opinion of google dwindles, I now block all their ads, and mainly use YouTube only til there is an alternative.

I am mostly off google services.. just wait till android is hovering around 90% marketshare for phones in the world they will "change their policies" to not support iPhone apps anymore just to get the last 10%

SierraSonic said,
use YouTube only til there is an alternative.

I've stopped commenting on youtube videos, and I'm only signed in at the moment for subscriptions. It wouldn't be hard for a 3rd party site to manage subscriptions to videos. It's not like we'll miss any or have them put in our subscription feed any later then Google already does for youtube.

But yeah, commenting on youtube videos and youtube was pretty much forcing me to make a Google G+ thingie all the time, no thanks. ok we'll ask you later. No, how about you don't ask me at all!

it's still bull**** google should allow third party alternatives at least until they get out their own first party versions

there really is no reason for google to do this outside of purely attacking MS. both android & iOS are allowed to have 3rd party alternatives to google's apps so why can't WP

JHBrown said,
I see nothing wrong with this. Googles rules, you must play by it. Business is business.!

It's not even about the rules... there isn't an official API out for Google Voice. How did these guys think you can just make an application for it without Google's permission and get away with it?

<snipped>

Edited by Eric, Nov 5 2013, 1:56pm :

jakem1 said,
You might want to read the article before commenting.
I read the article. They don't want said App up, so said App goes down.

onionjuice said,

It's not even about the rules... there isn't an official API out for Google Voice. How did these guys think you can just make an application for it without Google's permission and get away with it?

<snipped>

Have you heard of ObiHai, Talkatone, GrooVeIP, or 'Phone for Google Voice and GTalk' b/c it sounds as if those are going to be news for ya.

Edited by Eric, Nov 5 2013, 1:40pm :

JHBrown said,
I see nothing wrong with this. Googles rules, you must play by it. Business is business.!

Microsoft wants to control how the desktop looks - Antitrust law suit
Microsoft ships IE with Windows - Antitrust law suit
Microsoft wants to ship IE with their tablets - Complaints from Google , Mozilla, Opera, etc. about Antitrust
Microsoft does not allow non-IE browsers on the desktop for WinRT - Complaints about Antitrust from Google, Mozilla, Opera

The company can make the rules and others need to play by them, except when it is Microsoft's rules then the company cannot make the rules their competitors do.

Nothing wrong with it, but Google could at least try making an effort for potential users to their services.

The fact that all of these third party apps show up proves there is demand.

CJ33 said,

Have you heard of ObiHai, Talkatone, GrooVeIP, or 'Phone for Google Voice and GTalk' b/c it sounds as if those are going to be news for ya.

Beyond that, Singhal also confirmed that Google will now be more heavily enforcing its Terms of Service and cracking down on third-party apps that offer unauthorized calling and SMS services through Google Voice. Those app makers will apparently have until May 15, 2014 to transition their users to another service. As for the new Hangouts app itself, while it's available on the new Nexus 5, other Android users will still have to wait a bit longer for the update to show up in the Play Store.

From: Engadget

Brando212 said,
it's still bull**** google should allow third party alternatives at least until they get out their own first party versions

there really is no reason for google to do this outside of purely attacking MS. both android & iOS are allowed to have 3rd party alternatives to google's apps so why can't WP

The third parties have 6 months before they're completely removed...which almost says Google is creating an app themselves. And, taking into account that Windows 8 is continuing to steadily climb in usage, there's a good indication that they may finally be warming up to the idea of creating branded apps for the OS. Especially since there are probably more people using Vista, than ChromeOS...
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While seemingly mean-spirited, I don't think Voice's market share is enough for this to count as an attack on Microsoft...the average person is more familiar with Skype (and to some degree - Hangouts).

Um that doesn't change the fact that there is no official Google app on WP to provide the services that these third party apps offered.

Those customers are basically being ignored by Google. At least Google could say they planed to push out apps at some point.

There are quite a few WP users now, users that want to use Google services. I hope Google sees that.

At least on Android and iOS there are official apps that offer the services.

Google offers no such apps on WP and that is the difference.

Whether its on purpose or just a side affect of their actions now, its going to hurt consumers on WP.

Google just needs to be more open to WP, that's all. There are users wanting access to their services.

JHBrown said,
I see nothing wrong with this. Googles rules, you must play by it. Business is business.!

I see this as not as bad as the youtube issue. If this business was one of their main businesses that generated money, then that would be reasonable to take down. For example if someone copied Microsoft Office 365 app and made it for android. However, youtube is AD funded and GVoice really isn't a business. Google is dumb to do this when THEY don't make an official app for WP. Google is afraid of Windows Phone.

WhatTheSchmidt said,

Microsoft wants to control how the desktop looks - Antitrust law suit
Microsoft ships IE with Windows - Antitrust law suit
Microsoft wants to ship IE with their tablets - Complaints from Google , Mozilla, Opera, etc. about Antitrust
Microsoft does not allow non-IE browsers on the desktop for WinRT - Complaints about Antitrust from Google, Mozilla, Opera

The company can make the rules and others need to play by them, except when it is Microsoft's rules then the company cannot make the rules their competitors do.

The problem is that when you play by a majority marketshare it is easy to use the power to cut out competition. Being the leader comes with certain other responsibilities including letting the small guys get a piece of the pie. In the smartphone market though Microsoft isn't the leader and Google can be kinda pushy if they want.

It could be argued that Google is in a majority marketshare now as MS use to be when it comes to smartphones and internet search/advertising.

Actually you can install other browsers on WP as well as RT. Was just using Chrome on RT desktop the other day. For WP Microsoft doesn't allow other engines to be installed only browsers that use the IE engine will work.

wv@gt said,
Actually you can install other browsers on WP as well as RT. Was just using Chrome on RT desktop the other day. For WP Microsoft doesn't allow other engines to be installed only browsers that use the IE engine will work.

Chrome on RT? How...

JHBrown said,
I see nothing wrong with this. Googles rules, you must play by it. Business is business.!

There is nothing wrong but it does hurt users and its against their pose, openness. That's my problem with google. MS has always been a business selling softwares and some hardware but google pretends to be open and cool but behind the scene blocks software, push their software which they have total control on (android) as an open software to use all the resources in the world. don't forget they pushed ad through their chrome browser last year. They also get hurt when people loose their trust using their services. I did loose my trust to google. never user their services again (even though their map and search is still the best)

WhatTheSchmidt said,

Microsoft wants to control how the desktop looks - Antitrust law suit
Microsoft ships IE with Windows - Antitrust law suit
Microsoft wants to ship IE with their tablets - Complaints from Google , Mozilla, Opera, etc. about Antitrust
Microsoft does not allow non-IE browsers on the desktop for WinRT - Complaints about Antitrust from Google, Mozilla, Opera

The company can make the rules and others need to play by them, except when it is Microsoft's rules then the company cannot make the rules their competitors do.


this, for some reason people always trust google, but they don't know at the end of the day google uses people to make money just by making them to use google's services (with or without their consent, many people don't know google use them to make money) other companies like apple and microsoft sell products (you may or may not buy)
Here is the thing:
in manyways google's services is the only one or has no other match. Youtube, search and Map. in other way you have to use them because there is no alternatives. here antitrust doesn't apply whereas for windows it applies because there is no alternative Operating Systems (which there is)

Google will fall too. its just a matter of time before people loose their trust and realize they make load of money by using people and spending it in projects like Calico to prevent rich people from dying.

Brando212 said,
it's still bull**** google should allow third party alternatives at least until they get out their own first party versions

there really is no reason for google to do this outside of purely attacking MS. both android & iOS are allowed to have 3rd party alternatives to google's apps so why can't WP


Now if this were true, I might agree, but in this instance the platform the app is on is irrelvant. Building a third party GVoice app is a ToS violation.