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Google: From parasite to predator, but can symbiosis exist with Microsoft?

Tensions are at an all-time high between Google and Microsoft, and an end isn't in sight

Windows Phone and Windows 8 are being steadfastly ignored by Google as it reinforces its own ecosystem. Microsoft scroogles Google, picking up Android royalties while it demands a truce to work on a YouTube app. Both are engaged in a petty proxy war that is bad for their customers and edges them closer to an all-out death match. What went wrong and will it be Google Now or Google Never on those beautiful big live tiles? 

Windows and Google: The early years

In the early years, Google only existed as search in an internet browser of which it had no control. It wasn’t long before their goals and aspirations grew for more footing on the platform they inhabited. Before they built their own web browser came an assortment of desktop utilities and apps primarily designed to facilitate and promote the use of Google services on the desktop. Successful or not, they had begun to introduce Windows users to their services away from the search and browser-only paradigm.

This early relationship worked well to enhance Google’s standing and begin cultivating a user base from the Windows platform. With the advent of services like Gmail, they gave users more reasons to sign up for an account and begin building their alternative ecosystem. The release of Chrome was perhaps the single biggest statement of their intent to finally break free of their reliance on others and garner more control over their delivery system. Install Google Chrome now and the first thing you’ll be presented with is the sign in page, the message is clear: use the account to unlock so much more.


Just some of Google web services, most unavailable to Windows 8 or Windows Phone..

Parasite becomes predator

With a growing user base and swelling bank balance Google continued to execute on its plan for independence. The key to this was to create its own operating systems, which eventually led to Chromebook laptops and the all-conquering Android mobile OS. As well as that we see Google go toe to toe with Microsoft in almost every product category as well as dream up some radical new computing paradigms

Eric Schmidt has long fought with Microsoft and it’s of no surprise that the very DNA of Google has become entrenched around the goal of disrupting Microsoft’s traditional markets. As well as offering their competing services and devices, Google has been careful not to fuel any new mobile or OS initiatives Microsoft has delivered recently. I am of course talking about Windows Phone and Windows 8 apps; both new operating systems are served only by a rudimentary Google Search app.

Meanwhile Google have built a stunning set of apps for Apple’s iOS devices, which in some cases are better than their Android equivalents. Recent developments now see Google apps on iOS launching other Google apps, thereby breaking the need to see what other apps are available via the home screen. Google of course is stalking Apples mobile ecosystem just as it did with Microsoft’s desktop.

Google are creating fewer reasons to choose Microsoft laptops and smartphones over their own

By holding back on development for Windows Phone and Windows 8 apps, Google are creating fewer reasons to choose Microsoft laptops and smartphones over their own. With a growing number of Google account holders, some will find there is simply nothing of interest and look elsewhere. This is the power of the ecosystem and Google is using it to its advantage. That lock in is compounded when you add in folks who were previously using Android devices who are thinking of trying Windows Phone, it would prove a hard move indeed.

To somewhat confuse the situation with apps, Google, as mentioned, does make a search app for both Windows 8 and Windows Phone. The Windows 8 app is surprisingly nice and has all the potential to become a gateway for all of Google’s services, whilst showing no appreciable updates to do that since launch. There is also a YouTube app on the Xbox 360 which has to be one of the most expensive and restrictive of Microsoft’s products to develop for. Why have an app on the Xbox when there are far more potential users available on Windows Phone and Windows 8 devices? This is likely a case of Google feeling no threat from Microsoft since they don’t have a home entertainment system beachhead just yet.

Tensions most visible in mobile

Microsoft provoked a cease and desist from Google by creating a YouTube app for Windows Phone 8. The app actively broke Google's terms of service by not showing ads and allowing downloadable content. A bold move by Redmond to force the issue of active denial of YouTube API’s after years of asking. The result is that the two companies have issued a statement that they will both work together to create an official app.

A co-developed YouTube app sounds good on paper but the experience for Windows Phone users will be far from pleasant. By that I mean it will most certainly be not as good as the current app which is excellent. Google are obviously going to do the minimum needed to ensure that ads and usage rights are put in place.

Microsoft’s stance on Android is that it’s built from stolen intellectual property that is subsequently dumped into the market for free

For all the indignation from Microsoft and its supporters, the question has to be asked as to why Google should devote resources to Windows Phone. Microsoft has gone after every maker of Android handsets with back door deals to secure revenue from each device sold with Google’s OS running on it. Microsoft is making a healthy profit on the back of Google’s mobile OS, and rightly or wrongly this must be a bitter pill for Google to swallow.

Microsoft’s stance on Android is that it’s simply built from stolen intellectual property that is subsequently dumped into the market for free. This has created a massive advantage for Google as they build their Android Empire while making Microsoft’s Windows Phone look expensive to adopt.

Will we see yet more moves from Google to change their syncing technologies to prevent their customers from adopting other platforms? Their recent goal shifting with Exchange support ran very close to leaving their own customer high and dry if they were using Windows Phone.

Can we ever expect a good relationship to exist between the two companies while one floods the market with an OS built on the intellectual property of the other? Can we expect some healing to happen over a YouTube app while one steps towards its next billion dollar business by collecting Android royalties? If there is one area where we see these two heading for each other’s throats it’s in mobile.


Google Now or Google Never on Windows Phone?

Can Microsoft compete with Google in consumer cloud services?

A while back I would have argued that Windows 8 and Windows Phone could very much do without Google's apps and services. Being able to do that and not feel like a 2nd class web citizen grows harder every time Google improve their web offerings. Unlike Microsoft, they have a long standing momentum built on constant updates and tweaks. 

We have seen some great improvements to Microsoft’s web offerings with Bing Maps, Search and more recently the successful update to its highly popular email platform. Unfortunately progress is slow going and recent updates to Bing to roll in social aspects have not left the confines of the US.

This is an area where Google’s investment in cloud infrastructure combined with vast numbers of users will prove a difficult mountain for Microsoft to climb. Traditional search results are still generally better than with Bing mostly due to the sheer weight of searches performed on Google compared to Bing. The perceived quality and usefulness of search from Google as opposed to Bing also has much to do with Google storing your previous query. Bing does not collect so much information and hence even if you sign in the results don’t auto populate with previous hints. Net effect is a greater sense of usefulness. The problem for Bing is that Google just changed the game with search in a fundamental way; they rolled out something called Google Now. Where Bing coined the term "decision engine" for advertising Google have not only acted on that but delivered on that very premise. 

With Google Now we see the first tentative steps towards information delivered to us as we need it without needing to ask. It's early days but it’s a service that could convince consumers that being deprived of Google on their phones and computing devices just isn't an option. Over a year ago I heard someone from Bing talking about such a service but there seems little sign of it. Should we worry that Microsoft is now only using its Bing division to build weather and news apps for Windows 8, rather than concentrating on building up their search efforts? When Google pulled the rug from out under Google Reader Microsoft should have rolled out a Bing service to bring users to their platform.


Potential for Google Now on Xbox One, or just a Microsoft road block?

Can Google afford to ignore Microsoft’s products?

With regard to Windows Phone, they can almost certainly keep their air from fuelling that fire for as long as they like. Android is now the de facto mobile OS with over 70% of the market to itself, it’s not even close and Windows Phone is registering such tiny numbers it's unlikely that will change anytime soon. The situation with Windows 8 remains less clear, these machines are selling in high volume numbers so surely Google should develop apps for the Windows Store? The problem here is that Google already has apps for Windows, lots of apps; just they are all designed for the desktop. The problem for Microsoft is that the desktop isn't going away soon and Windows users are not keen on switching to the new Windows 8 apps and tiles.

Users will greatly benefit from having Google’s offerings on their devices

Judging by the Google search app for Windows 8 they most certainly won’t be able to ignore it quite as much as Windows Phone. They will however be able to hold back for as long as possible to give the impression the platform is still not worth investing in. A look at the Windows Store shows an alarming lack of official apps from major players, and as each one holds out, the others will hesitate further. There is a chance that smaller and cheaper Windows 8 devices combined with an updated operating system will inject some fire into sales and adoption, but for now Google can wait and see.

The sad thing about this situation is that Windows users will greatly benefit from having Google’s offerings on their devices. When it comes to a service like Google Now, Microsoft’s Tile (shall we call them cards?) based user interface is literally made for this to work beautifully. The large tiles on Windows Phone showing relevant Google Now cards would be far better than having to launch an app as you do with Android and iOS. In fact Microsoft’s new tile-based user interface would work just as well with Google Now on tablets, desktops and a television. The Xbox One is just around the corner which opens up the possibility of natural language search, hangouts and of course perhaps using those huge live tiles for that Google Now content? 

The potential boon for Google to get speech and search data from those using the home entertainment system in the living room is vast; will they be ignoring that too?


Microsoft's cloud services: are they enough?

Can Microsoft afford to alienate Google further?

If recent events have shown us anything it’s that these two have been on bad terms for a long long time. Microsoft has launched a few high profile anti-Google campaigns and we have to wonder just how uncooperative they have been with the search giant over these last years.

If this is a case of Microsoft doing all they can to stop Google from penetrating their ecosystem further then it needs to stop. I see no reason why the search button on Windows Phone shouldn't let me jump right into Google rather than Bing for instance. How much access to the Xbox One will Microsoft give Google should they request it?

Microsoft is in the middle of a huge platform shift and they have shown they haven’t been able to roll out key existing technologies to their own devices let alone fully compete with Google. Currently there is no integrated voice interaction throughout Windows 8 machines. Even though TellMe technology exists on their phone and Xbox 360 it’s missing in action on their best-selling operating system. While all this is going on can we really expect them to pull a Google Now service out of its hat?

Until Microsoft can offer the same set of rich cloud services as Google then I’d argue they should be doing all they can to patch things up instead of antagonizing them with Android patent deals and apps that break terms of service. Failing that then they need to pull their socks up and improve their offerings across the board in leaps and bounds or risk having a set of services that simply fail to ignite any interest in consumers. Google for all the web services still has to still rely on Windows to deliver them. By holding back on apps for Windows 8 and Windows Phone they have set on a path which will increasingly get harder to reverse. Both companies are fully invested in delivering cloud services, it's their job now to make them as easy to access and as cross platform as possible, while they bicker it's going to be the consumer who looses out. 

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I use Google Search, Google Maps, and Youtube on my phone. I don't use Google Docs on my phone, and on a Windows 8 tablet, you can use the web browser to access docs.

Really wish Google would play nice and release a Maps app for WP. That is literally all I need. I love Nokia Drive but the lack of transit directions drives me nuts sometimes.

haven't had a need to use a single google service. all overrated half baked services. google is no longer relevant. they are just the latest monopoly trying to lock in users...and scroogle them.

What a load of utter tosh. Here in China we don't have Google. We used to but they got their butts well and truly kicked by the local competition and ran away, squealing like a stuck pig blaming the big bad Chinese government for invading their privacy. Here in China the government has ordered that all computers in all government offices, state-owned companies, universities and everywhere else there are computers must run Windows. This seems pretty much a major victory to me. This is a market that's bigger than all of North America and all of Europe combined. And Google are already gone.

Meanwhile I follow the IP court cases around the world and it's perfectly obvious that Google are here losing BIG TIME. They're losing in the USA. They're losing in Germany. They've lost in Italy. They've lost in Japan. And Korea. And even in the UK.

Microsoft already make $8 for (just about) every Android handset registered. They are steadily eating away at Google's search market share. They've demolished Google TV with Xbox One. Microsoft sell about a million copies of the (failed) Windows 8 for every copy of (even bigger failed) Chrome.

Here in Asia every single one of Google's "customers" - Samsung, Huawei, ZTE, HTC etc - are working on a replacement for Android. Tizen is mentioned a lot.

I have to be honest and say that Google is by far the worst managed company ever to grace the technology sector. They had a GREAT idea with search and have completely blown it since then. They are EASILY the least trusted company ever in the history of technology.

So why do people think this is a "competition"? Google is a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest. And boy, does it show.

Firstly, love the name. Secondly thanks for your comment, although I have to say that Google is a threat to Microsoft. Beyond who or not is a threat, the central theme is that consumers arent being catered for well on Windows 8 or Windows Phone. I dont think the tit for tat between these two is helpful to anyone.

Microsoft, Apple, and Google are creating their walled gardens to have their content and services behind them. As competition between the three start to heat up, spats from all sides will start to happen.

If it gets bad enough, there will be movement or push for the government to step in and make them be more civil.

Just FYI, Google is doing the same thing to Verizon, which is preventing Verizon's Android devices from having Google Wallet. After reading the facts, Verizon has only refused payment options that directly effects the device, aside from Verizon being able to also protect its users. VZW went with ISIS because ISIS made a way for their payment option to be protected by the carrier to protect its customers. Verizon is all for Google Wallet propviding that Google changes how Google Wallet works and Verizon needs a way to be able to protect its users. Google refuses to do this and so Google Wallet isn't available.

The fact Verizon is the largest carrier in the US, hasn't persuade Google one bit to comply. This shows me that product market size is not the problem. The problem is because Google is trying to be eveil and just have things their way trying to be bullies, when Google needs to realize that if every other platform was to drop Google's services, that Android along would not be able to hold Google up. That is fact not fiction.

Just read the facts here - http://www.androidpolice.com/2...-still-allowed-to-block-it/

VZW isn't the problem, Google is. Google is the new evil that Microsoft and Apple have been known to be. Its amazing when Google was the little guy, they were nice. Just like Apple, Microsoft and others were. As soon as they get on top somewhere, their butts seem to leave their backs and lands on their shoulders.

Google needs to take heed to these facts. Microsoft, Apple, RIM, Nokia, Sony, HP, Dell and so many others have had their @$$ handed to them more than once. Google better wake up before they end up getting a taste of humble pie.

Problem is that Google thinks they are the supreme overlords of the industry, and after years and years of getting everything they wanted, after getting massive companies to roll over and play ball, to get entire governments to roll over and play ball. The Charisma of Google is a strong point but has been weakened in recent year(s) and will continue to do so.

Microsoft and Apple got their attitude's "corrected", MS with anti-thrust and Apple with being bailed out by their lifelong competitor.
They still have their quirks, but they aren't on a high horse like Google is today. Wanting something and if company or government doesn't want to comply, play the hard ball.
Microsoft did this, Apple did this... Now Google is doing this.

Google needs to get smacked across the face just like Apple and Microsoft have been. And hopefully they will go back to the values I once loved.

Shadowzz said,

Google needs to get smacked across the face just like Apple and Microsoft have been. And hopefully they will go back to the values I once loved.

Agreed...and they will.

TechieXP said,
Just FYI, Google is doing the same thing to Verizon, which is preventing Verizon's Android devices from having Google Wallet. After reading the facts, Verizon has only refused payment options that directly effects the device, aside from Verizon being able to also protect its users. VZW went with ISIS because ISIS made a way for their payment option to be protected by the carrier to protect its customers. Verizon is all for Google Wallet propviding that Google changes how Google Wallet works and Verizon needs a way to be able to protect its users. Google refuses to do this and so Google Wallet isn't available.

Verizon only wants ISIS because they earn from it. It is not about security, it is about how VZ want's to force used to use ISIS.

Point : ISIS application could be downloaded form the Google Play Store without any restriction while Google Wallet is restricted (by Verizon) to work for S3. Now, who is the evil?.

"Google: From parasite to predator, but can symbiosis exist with Microsoft?"

How biased article, starting with the title.

I hope they just let them duel out 'till dead. Let google controls all their products. They can prevent MS to use them in their products. Then MS can do the same thing and block all google products out of their OS. Let see who will suffer the worst.

What I don't get is if Google doesn't like Microsoft extorting royalties from OEMs that use Android, then why don't they sue Microsoft to put an end to it?

AR556 said,
why don't they sue Microsoft to put an end to it?

Sue them for what, going after money that's legally due to them in the first place? If they don't want to pay, then don't use something that belongs to somebody else.

I think the lack of lawsuits by Google or the OEMs over licensing are tacit admissions that Microsoft's patents are valid and enforceable.

Here is what many of you Microsoft haters seem to miss. When Google worked a deal out with Apple, Apple had ZERO...I REPEAT ZERO penetration in the mobile space. Microsoft though lacking had penetration int he mobile space with Windows Mobile and now Windows Phone. The degree of that space may be small, but it is still higher than the ZERO Apple had in the beginning.

You have to start somewhere. To make a platform attractive, it needs to have the applications and services people want to use. That is how RIM beat Microsoft in the past and how Android is beating everyone right now.

As the writer stated, when one major player refuses to play, then the others will follow. What Google wants is Microsoft to come graveling at their feet like Apple did and Microsoft is big enough and old enough not to go that route. That is why MS made its own YouTube app. The fact is if Google didn;t offer the proper API's to MS, yet they offer them to Apple and others; then Microosft would have a strong case of anti-competiveness and that means Google would be in more hot water and they dont need this.

Google may be ****ed that MS is getting royalties of Android OEM's. But those OEM are using an exFAT technology designed an patented by Microsoft which requires licensing and Google refused to do it and so the OEM are using that tech and they can't expect to use it for free especially when these same retards are trying to sue others for using their tech.

Google is simply becoming the new pricks in the industry where Microsoft and Apple once filled those shoes. Maybe both are getting a taste of their own medicine. However, Google needs to realize this fact. Windows is still the most widely used OS. Even though Microosft can't ban the usage of Google services from Windows, they can certainly work harder to promote their similar services. Facts already show BING offers better results vs Google Search and Microosft has the jack to surely buy a mapping service and more and compete head to head and easily roll all those services into Windows and push Google out like they did Netscape and many others.

Google needs to grow the hell up and stop trying to act like they are king because they aren't. Even if Android ends up with 2B users and becomes the biggest mobile OS on the market, it still isn't Windows and Google will need Microsoft before Microsoft will ever need Google. Just ask Apple how that worked out for them when Jobs came to Gates and begged for help. You don't see Apple playing hardball with MS anymore. They compete opening against each other in certain areas, yet Apple knows they need Microsoft to survive and so does Google. As long as Windows is king, Google won;t be.

I'd argue they should be doing all they can to patch things up instead of antagonizing them with Android patent deals and apps that break terms of service.

So, Microsoft should ignore their patents being used without being licensed? You are aware that patent holders have a responsibility to defend their patents and that Google could have easily licensed the patents they wanted to use as well instead of shirking that responsibility to their OEM's...?

And as far as the YouTube app is concerned, that was one of the best things Microsoft could have done. After a considerable amount of time being refused access to the API, they were able to shame Google into allowing them access...

This is, unfortunately, not a Microsoft issue, as they behave like adults... This is a product of Google's, juvenile nonsense...

Yes, and I agree they need to defend their patents but my argument is that both companies should enter into a cross patent licencing agreement. I'd much rather these two patch things up rather than sling mud at each other publicly, it takes two to tango though..

I cannot agree with you on this being on Google to blame, I have a strong feeling MS has done all they can to keep Google at bay. The scroogled ads and gmail man etc are all pretty juvenile and provocative. As mentioned I'd prefer they tried to get a grip on all this and start serving their customers properly.

Gmail Man is largely an internal initiative. While some videos were made public, I have never seen them on TV or in general advertisements on the web. If you asked the average Google user, they've probably never even heard of Gmail Man. The Scroogled ads, on the other hand, are a part of their direct-to-consumer advertising strategy. But similarly, most average users have no idea how much data Google collects and keeps from them to provide "free" services. What should concern those people isn't how they use it to target advertising (there are many other companies who aggregate your browsing habits), but what happens when a data breach occurs and that treasure trove of information makes its way to identity thieves and spammers. It would be like the IRS having a data breach. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Google had more data about us than the government.

Robert Brand said,
...but my argument is that both companies should enter into a cross patent licencing agreement.

Cross-licensing only makes sense if both companies would benefit from the deal; Microsoft and Apple for instance.

What would Microsoft gain from cross-licensing with Google? Google's patent portfolio doesn't seem to be particularly valuable.

Microsoft's problem these days seems to be a case of great visions, lackluster delivery. With a few exceptions, Google has always seemed to do the opposite by starting small and quickly improving. I like various products from both companies very much, but I inevitably find myself being disappointed with Microsoft and pleasantly surprised with Google. Microsoft needs to stop promising what they can't deliver, and instead focus on rapid updates and improvements.

In some cases their differences are an advantage though, particularly search. As Google search tracks my search history I invariably get very accurate results for my various programming searches, while Bing endlessly "corrects" them with no recourse ("git deployment" becomes "get deployment"). On the flipside, Bing appears to be more accurate with general searches as it isn't making any presumptions about what I want.

Fourjays said,
while Bing endlessly "corrects" them with no recourse ("git deployment" becomes "get deployment").

That one's coming up correctly for me in Bing, no git to get substitutions, even in IE10 which I almost never use. I do agree about engines doing that in general though (even Google), sometimes it's quite hard to search for an exact phrase, especially when it contains symbols. I (usually) have better results with Bing in that case, not always though. Just search for what I bloody told you to look for...

Fourjays said,
Microsoft's problem these days seems to be a case of great visions, lackluster delivery. With a few exceptions, Google has always seemed to do the opposite by starting small and quickly improving. I like various products from both companies very much, but I inevitably find myself being disappointed with Microsoft and pleasantly surprised with Google. Microsoft needs to stop promising what they can't deliver, and instead focus on rapid updates and improvements.

In some cases their differences are an advantage though, particularly search. As Google search tracks my search history I invariably get very accurate results for my various programming searches, while Bing endlessly "corrects" them with no recourse ("git deployment" becomes "get deployment"). On the flipside, Bing appears to be more accurate with general searches as it isn't making any presumptions about what I want.

Well, I can say that for programming queries Google returns better results. I use Google for that. Bing I use for everything else.

Max Norris said,

That one's coming up correctly for me in Bing, no git to get substitutions, even in IE10 which I almost never use. I do agree about engines doing that in general though (even Google), sometimes it's quite hard to search for an exact phrase, especially when it contains symbols. I (usually) have better results with Bing in that case, not always though. Just search for what I bloody told you to look for...

Strange, it does work now (unless that wasn't quite the term I used, which is possible). I was doing loads of searches relating to git on my phone a few months back and half of them were being corrected to "get". Wasn't so much that it suggested "did you mean get deployment?" but that it gave results on that instead of what I actually searched for. Was incredibly annoying at the time.

I can tell you how we got here. Google is now besides themselves acting like they don;t need anyone now that they have Android and it has taken over the mobile space. What Google is failing to realize if they created a need for their services and they need to make them available on every possible platform, whether they want to or not.

Google Search and Maps especially has become day to day usage for the vast majority and its not just by iOS and Android users. Businesses use Google Services and whether they choose Windows Phone or Blackberry, Google needs to at least make those available to everyone.

Apple also got on their high horse after using Google to help gain penetration and then screwed up by trying to replace Google's service with half-baked junk. They ended up getting on their knees and crawling back to Google.

What Google needs to realize is every platform has it hay-day and they need to get off their high horse before that horse throws them off its back and they end up at the bottom.

No matter how great Google's services are, they are not unbeatable or irreplaceable.

Yes, cross platform usability should be a key requirement of companies who are providing these types of services. Not doing so only damages their reputation and makes them look "closed". Regulation required in the cloud age?

try selling a $500 android tablet, or sell them a $600 android phone unsubsidized. lets see how confident they are dropping that cash then. android will never exist outside the $100-$200 cheap,ugly ,plasticy category.

Yes, because no one else subsidizes their products. iPhones and Windows devices are expensive as well and most people, especially in this economy, cant afford a phone full price. And companies do this to help the sales of their products. This has been going on way before the smartphone wars.

techbeck said,
Yes, because no one else subsidizes their products. iPhones and Windows devices are expensive as well and most people, especially in this economy, cant afford a phone full price. And companies do this to help the sales of their products. This has been going on way before the smartphone wars.

talking about PCs and tablets,which are paid in full price. we all know android tablets failed to sell until they started making sub $200 devices.

or sell them a $600 android phone unsubsidized

How is that talking about tablets/pcs?

And the Kindle Fires/Nexus devices are the top selling Android tablets along with some Galaxy models and they are doing pretty well. They are above $200 with the occasional sales. All the tablets below $200 you really never hear anything about even tho they contribute to market share. But a sub 200 android tablet is great for small tasks or as an ereader. I have used some and for those tasks, it works great. Want to do more...then get a better device. Android is like the PC market, many choice for what you need a device to do and price accordingly.

techbeck said,

How is that talking about tablets/pcs?

And the Kindle Fires/Nexus devices are the top selling Android tablets along with some Galaxy models and they are doing pretty well. They are above $200 with the occasional sales. All the tablets below $200 you really never hear anything about even tho they contribute to market share. But a sub 200 android tablet is great for small tasks or as an ereader. I have used some and for those tasks, it works great. Want to do more...then get a better device. Android is like the PC market, many choice for what you need a device to do and price accordingly.

most phones sold are subsidized, so they are almost always sub $200. I bet you such a tiny tiny slice is unsubsidized.

and the devices you're talking about prove my point, they are around $200. do you see $500 devices selling loads? that's been tried before and it failed. that's not their market. their market is small cheap devices,and that's where theyre staying. even samsungs newest galaxy tablet is a low spec cheap device. you wonder why?

vcfan said,
try selling a $500 android tablet, or sell them a $600 android phone unsubsidized. lets see how confident they are dropping that cash then. android will never exist outside the $100-$200 cheap,ugly ,plasticy category.
Really? Humm. Funny how in Q3 2012, Samsung sold 90M total phones. 45M were smartphones. The breakdown showed 30M were the GS3, 10M were the GS2 and 5M+ were the combined sells of the 2 Notes and the 700,000 smartphones left were the cheap stuff. Already Samsung has sold 136M phones this year and we know 10M of them are the GS4 and we also know the Note II and GS3 are still selling in huge numbers. Your claim is just BS.

And the fact is also this. Everyone in the world isn't rich. Nokia made most of its money selling cheap phones in markets where people can't afford fancy options. Why shouldn't Google provide an option for them? I guess only rich people should get nice things? Every time one of you talk about cheap phones, you act like nothing more than a bunch of hypocrites.

Lets get rid of all cheap things. Lets ask Toyota to stop making cheap cars and only make Lexus? Lets ask food makers to stop making generic versions of food and just sell the name branded stuff. Lets stop making cheap gas, cheap clothes and cheap everything. What do you think the world would be like iof their weren't any cheap options sherlock?

JHow many cheap plasticky things do you have in your home. I challenge you to remove everything you own that contains any amount of plastic and see how miserable your life would be. Start with your car. The bumpers are plastic and so is many parts of the interior even in luxury cars. Since it contains cheap plastic get rid of the cars and see how miserable your life will be.

I get so tired of you fanbois who choose to act ignorant when you don't even have too. All of s udden 2 companies make metal phones and now you think that somehow makes them premium. Feeling premium is one thing, being premium is another. The fact the HTC One and iPhone 5 can't even do half the things the GS4 can do, I'd say the money was spent in the right places because Android is selling way more phone than Apple just like PC's are selling way more than Macs.


and the devices you're talking about prove my point, they are around $200. do you see $500 devices selling loads? that's been tried before and it failed. that's not their market. their market is small cheap devices,and that's where theyre staying.

I was commenting mainly about the Nexus devices and the Fires. Yes, those are around the $200 price (more like 250-350) range but in no way are the considered cheap junk systems. Android has always been lower in price in most areas/vendors and is a reason they are doing so well. But again, doesnt mean the Nexus devices/Fires are cheap or junk.

Same goes for the $100 tablets. If someone buys a $100 tablet to just do some light web browsing/reading ebooks...then a device like that will work great and to them, it is not cheap or junk. To me, a $100 tablet would be underpowered and would not suit my needs since I do more than web browsing/ereading. But again, thats the Android ecosystem. If all you do is the basics, you dont need a $500 tablet. Waste of money. This worked really well for Windows/PCs...and the same strategy is working well for Android.

techbeck said,
Android has always been lower in price in most areas/vendors and is a reason they are doing so well. But again, doesnt mean the Nexus devices/Fires are cheap or junk.

Mostly avoiding this argument but have to chime in on the Fires.. for the price they're actually quite good, use mine daily. I'd trade it in a heartbeat for a Surface Pro, but at the price difference... that's not likely happening any time soon. Until that happens, I've been fairly pleased with it and have no problems recommending it to others. The sub-$100 tablets though.. yikes. Got a Pandigital in the drawer somewhere, marketed as an eBook reader, stuck forever at Android 1.5, slow, cheap, runs almost no current software, even as a book reader it's apallingly bad, overall the poster child of a cheap Android craplet that should never have been.

Max Norris said,
The sub-$100 tablets though.. yikes.

There are exceptions with lots of things. Why companies like Pandigital dont last that long.

Adamb10 said,
Hows the surface selling? Oh wait, it's not.

sure it is. its a $1000 product,and it sold quite well.I think it was about half a million in one month, then a million in the next 2 months. if you tried to sell a $1000 android tablet, I doubt you would sell 10k in that time. that's why android manufacturers started making small cheap glorified media players because no one would buy their even $500 devices.

TechieXP said,
Really? Humm. Funny how in Q3 2012, Samsung sold 90M total phones. 45M were smartphones. The breakdown showed 30M were the GS3, 10M were the GS2 and 5M+ were the combined sells of the 2 Notes and the 700,000 smartphones left were the cheap stuff. Already Samsung has sold 136M phones this year and we know 10M of them are the GS4 and we also know the Note II and GS3 are still selling in huge numbers. Your claim is just BS.

how many they sold has nothing to do with my point. most of these phones sold are subsidized between the prices of $0-$200. tablets are in the $200 range. getting people to anty up more than $200 for an android device has been tried,and was a complete failure,so manufacturers changed their strategy to sell small, cheapy devices. all im saying is, that's androids market, the low price market,and that's where they'll stay.

vcfan said,

cheapy devices. all im saying is, that's androids market, the low price market,and that's where they'll stay.

What do you mean by cheap devices? Cheap as in price, or cheap as in quaility/usage and or junk?

And why is it a big deal that the Nexus 7 and Fires are the top selling smaller tablets? If that is the market that works for them, go for it but they are both solid devices and what you normally always hear about. And I am assuming you are talking tablets and not phones when you say low price market.

techbeck said,

What do you mean by cheap devices? Cheap as in price, or cheap as in quaility/usage and or junk?

And why is it a big deal that the Nexus 7 and Fires are the top selling smaller tablets? If that is the market that works for them, go for it but they are both solid devices and what you normally always hear about. And I am assuming you are talking tablets and not phones when you say low price market.

cheap as in price,quality or performance.even what you consider the best quality wise in that category,fails in performance. the nexus 7 for example was so choppy and laggy, . scrolling doesn't keep up with my finger, zoom chop, freezing controls, stutters everywhere.

and we all know most phones are subsidized in the max range of $200. their tablets are mostly now cheap devices. im saying, it is hard to get someone to pay outright over $200 for an android device, because its been tried and failed.

vcfan said,

talking about PCs and tablets,which are paid in full price. we all know android tablets failed to sell until they started making sub $200 devices.

and Surface can't sell at any price

Seems like Microsoft is the predator attacking Google any change it gets. And with a title to an "article" like this, the responses should be fun and entertaining...to say the least.

techbeck said,
Seems like Microsoft is the predator attacking Google any change it gets. And with a title to an "article" like this, the responses should be fun and entertaining...to say the least.

See, I just don't see it that way at all... If a company where to develop a product using your patents and release it into the market to make a profit (And don't kid yourself, Google IS making money), you would expect those patents to be licensed as well... Google was in the wrong here by not licensing the patents they wanted and instead leaving that to their OEM's...

M_Lyons10 said,

See, I just don't see it that way at all... If a company where to develop a product using your patents and release it into the market to make a profit (And don't kid yourself, Google IS making money), you would expect those patents to be licensed as well... Google was in the wrong here by not licensing the patents they wanted and instead leaving that to their OEM's...

Problem is that if Google starts patenting everything, then people would complain they are not open. They are damned if they do, and damned if they dont. Even if they patent things and lets other freely use them...someone will still find something to complain about.

Every company out there is predator towards another. They want to out do the competition and take customers away. Call it predatory, I call it competition and marketing. Its the trash marketing I dont like and it has been show that type of marketing does not work.

greenwizard88 said,
Heck, they even bought an entire electronics company [Motorola] for patents!

No, they did not. They have a plan for Motorola Mobility but not much has been mentioned yet. They are keeping it tight lipped ATM.

techbeck said,

Problem is that if Google starts patenting everything, then people would complain they are not open. They are damned if they do, and damned if they dont. Even if they patent things and lets other freely use them...someone will still find something to complain about.

Every company out there is predator towards another. They want to out do the competition and take customers away. Call it predatory, I call it competition and marketing. Its the trash marketing I dont like and it has been show that type of marketing does not work.

And that's all well and good, but there's a difference between choosing not to patent something (And Google patents PLENTY), or allowing people to use your patents (Microsoft and Apple have an arrangement that is mutually beneficial in this regard.), and not licensing a patent, or getting permission, but just using it (And making money off of it)...

I think that's the issue here. Microsoft has approached Google to license patents that they want to use. Google chose to completely ignore FRAND and try to rape Microsoft for use of these patents, all the while refusing to license patents that Microsoft owns and they use...

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a company to pay for technology that they use.

techbeck said,

No, they did not. They have a plan for Motorola Mobility but not much has been mentioned yet. They are keeping it tight lipped ATM.


Yes they did, they are even using Moto against Microsoft wherever they can, have you been sleeping under a rock or something?

Moto is mainly bought for the patents, not its resources.

M_Lyons10 said,

And that's all well and good, but there's a difference between choosing not to patent something (And Google patents PLENTY), or allowing people to use your patents (Microsoft and Apple have an arrangement that is mutually beneficial in this regard.), and not licensing a patent, or getting permission, but just using it (And making money off of it)...

Samsung approached Apple for a licensing deal and Apple wanted 10 times more than what it offered to other companies. Apple was unreasonable but I agree, if there were more reasonable licensing deals, things would be so much better and companies/innovation could more forward.


Google chose to completely ignore FRAND and try to rape Microsoft for use of these patents, all the while refusing to license patents that Microsoft owns and they use...

Yea, I think Google was drinking to much of the bong water when they did that.


I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a company to pay for technology that they use.

I dont either and why I am glad Android OEMs are working well with MS with regards to this.

Shadowzz said,

Yes they did, they are even using Moto against Microsoft wherever they can, have you been sleeping under a rock or something?

Moto is mainly bought for the patents, not its resources.

Yea, and if/when Google announces its own phones, I am sure people are still going to be saying the same thing. just because Google was stupid and used the patents to go after MS, doesnt mean that was their main purpose of buying Motorola Mobility.

Google bought Moto for a bigger purpose that no one knows of yet.

techbeck said,

No, they did not. They have a plan for Motorola Mobility but not much has been mentioned yet. They are keeping it tight lipped ATM.

So they're keeping tight lipped about this secret plan but they decided to share it with you? OK.

I think Google have been quite open about the fact that they bought MM for their patents.

jakem1 said,

So they're keeping tight lipped about this secret plan but they decided to share it with you? OK.

I think Google have been quite open about the fact that they bought MM for their patents.

They have mentioned very little about it. Have moved important people to the X team and who knows what they are working on. This is all public knowledge. And if the rumored/leaked images of the X phone is real...then we shall see. Hell, i have even heard rumors they are ditching the phone project. So who knows. Most are rumors at this point but a lot of times, there are truth to the rumors. Things are always subject to change.

They have also mentioned buying Moto to create new devices and to help compete by providing both hardware and software like Apple currently does. Again, all public knowledge. Dennis Woodside stated they are focusing on creating fewer/better devices with MM.

Google did not buy Moto just for the patents. No company would pay 12.5 billion for just patents. Its ridiculous. Patents is just part of the reason why Google bought MM. If all they wanted is patents, they would of shut down Motorola Mobility all together.

Edited by techbeck, May 29 2013, 3:51pm :

techbeck said,

Samsung approached Apple for a licensing deal and Apple wanted 10 times more than what it offered to other companies. Apple was unreasonable but I agree, if there were more reasonable licensing deals, things would be so much better and companies/innovation could more forward.

Yea, I think Google was drinking to much of the bong water when they did that.

I dont either and why I am glad Android OEMs are working well with MS with regards to this.

I agree with you entirely. Reasonable patent licensing is important, particularly in tech. That's why I'm glad that Microsoft appears so easy to work with (As opposed to some of the other companies)...

jakem1 said,

So they're keeping tight lipped about this secret plan but they decided to share it with you? OK.

I think Google have been quite open about the fact that they bought MM for their patents.

They bought Moto in the middle of legal action with the plans of getting billions from Microsoft because of patents. Moto was laughed out of court. Google saw an opportunity to get back at Microsoft, and they failed. We have not seen any significant product released from them, in the last quarterly report they dragged down Google's bottom line by billions.

At least Microsoft was smart enough to realize that Danger needed to be shut down. Google will continue on, and techbeck will continue to believe in some secret, area 51'ish product that will continue them on. Goog buying Moto has been a good thing - for every other company.

SoylentG said,

At least Microsoft was smart enough to realize that Danger needed to be shut down. Google will continue on, and techbeck will continue to believe in some secret, area 51'ish product that will continue them on. Goog buying Moto has been a good thing - for every other company.

And you accused me of resorting to attacks...pot, meet kettle.

And i said they are RUMORS and we shall see if they are true or not. Read, comprehend, and then post. Really not that difficult.

techbeck said,
No, they did not. They have a plan for Motorola Mobility but not much has been mentioned yet. They are keeping it tight lipped ATM.

Right. I'm sure that's what they told you and all the other Google shareholders. But yeah, the only value left in Motorola Mobility post-2007 is the patent portfolio.

xpxp2002 said,

Right. I'm sure that's what they told you and all the other Google shareholders. But yeah, the only value left in Motorola Mobility post-2007 is the patent portfolio.

I don't own any Google stock. And all I am doing is commenting on what the exes have stated. Whether or not it is true, it's no different than making comments about the patents.

Considering most of Google's services are junk, I could care less. I can't even load Google Earth anymore on my PC without it crashing more times than a tired drunk driver.

Really? I really never have had to many problems with Google's services/products. There are some from MS I prefer and vise versa. But then again, I know how to fix my issues on both platforms if they should ever arise.

I'm not sure I'd call Google Search / Maps junk, they certainly aren't perfect but are still ahead of Microsoft's efforts in terms of features. I'm not sure anyone except for tech demos and news stories uses Google earth that much but get your point. You using all Microsoft stuff then?

Dot Matrix said,
Considering most of Google's services are junk, I could care less. I can't even load Google Earth anymore on my PC without it crashing more times than a tired drunk driver.
The problem is your PC. If it worked before and now it doesn't, sounds like you have bigger problems than you realize. But it is typical for not so smart users to blame the applications for their own lack of knowledge and troubleshooting skills.

Robert Brand said,
I'm not sure I'd call Google Search / Maps junk, they certainly aren't perfect but are still ahead of Microsoft's efforts in terms of features. I'm not sure anyone except for tech demos and news stories uses Google earth that much but get your point. You using all Microsoft stuff then?

I don't use all Microsoft stuff, no. But I stay far enough away from Google as possible. Their predatory nature towards their users is nothing I want to deal with.

TechieXP said,
The problem is your PC. If it worked before and now it doesn't, sounds like you have bigger problems than you realize. But it is typical for not so smart users to blame the applications for their own lack of knowledge and troubleshooting skills.

It's not my PC. Google Earth hasn't worked solidly since I stopped using Windows XP. If Google could actually code worth a damn, they'd have a solid product. But since they haven't bothered to upgrade any of their crap past Windows XP coding habits, they're not.

Dot Matrix said,
If Google could actually code worth a damn, they'd have a solid product. But since they haven't bothered to upgrade any of their crap past Windows XP coding habits, they're not.

Same thing could be said about the MS products you hold dear and close to your heart. MS has had far more software issues and continue to have them than Google has. I know you are very anti Google, but wake up.

It's not my PC. Google Earth hasn't worked solidly since I stopped using Windows XP

You said in your first post, it was your PC and now it isnt? Which one is it dude? And no problems using Google Earth on any platform for me.

Dot Matrix said,

I don't use all Microsoft stuff, no. But I stay far enough away from Google as possible. Their predatory nature towards their users is nothing I want to deal with.

It's not my PC. Google Earth hasn't worked solidly since I stopped using Windows XP. If Google could actually code worth a damn, they'd have a solid product. But since they haven't bothered to upgrade any of their crap past Windows XP coding habits, they're not.

Though sparingly, I use Google Earth on Windows 7 and 8 and I have yet to have had a problem. As far as I can tell, it has never crashed. As I stated I use it sparingly as Google Maps works perfect. I use Google Earth when looking for things in other countries.

Try removing the app and reinstalling, if it still crashes then it is safe to say the problem is your Windows install.

I am willing to bet that if you reinstalled Windows fresh and then installed Earth, it would work as well as it did in the past.

"Considering most of Google's services are junk, I could care less. I can't even load Google Earth anymore on my PC without it crashing more times than a tired drunk driver."


Time to learn how to fix application issues rather than blame Google..

techbeck said,
Really? I really never have had to many problems with Google's services/products. There are some from MS I prefer and vise versa. But then again, I know how to fix my issues on both platforms if they should ever arise.

First off, the fact that Google "retires" a new set of products every spring indicates that they put out a lot of s*** that nobody wants, uses, and is not worth keeping around.

But isn't the real problem that you know how to fix issues when they arrive? And yet here we have some people saying things like Google Earth doesn't work, but then you and VincentM excuse those issues. It is up to the user to fix those problems, not Google's fault. Give them a pass, don't blame them, but then mock people with comments like

...the MS products you hold dear and close to your heart.

But we are the fanboys, the apologists, right? You have once again revealed yourself, once again, as the Google fanboy, apologist. But I suppose once again you will turn it into a personal attack against me, or just completely ignore it as if you were above the attacks you yourself hand out.


But we are the fanboys, the apologists, right? You have once again revealed yourself, once again, as the Google fanboy, apologist. But I suppose once again you will turn it into a personal attack against me, or just completely ignore it as if you were above the attacks you yourself hand out.

Once again someone doesnt read all the replies and where I have stated that what Google did with their patents was wrong and they needed to get knocked down a peg. But hey, I guess I am a fanboy apologist and I never use MS products at all.

Google tests the market with new products like anyone else does. Some work out, some dont. Never know until you try.

And Google earth's issues is obviously a PC related problem. And yes, it is up to the user to fix many issues with software and hardware. A lot of times problems can be related to other software installed or what the user did to the computer. But hey, I guess that is Google's fault as well.

Get a clue dude.

techbeck said,

You said in your first post, it was your PC and now it isnt? Which one is it dude? And no problems using Google Earth on any platform for me.

What? How is my PC to blame for Google's ****ty coding? Load up Google Earth on Windows 8, and tell me, does it fit into the OS? Does it follow post XP app conventions? The answer is no.

Dot Matrix said,

What? How is my PC to blame for Google's ****ty coding?

And how does Google know what software you installed and what you did to your computer? It is well known that other software/hardware can interfere and cause problems. Have you tried redoing your computer or are you just quick to blame Google.

I have come a crossed a ton of issues with MS software not working correctly as well and it turned out to be something with the computer, not MS.

techbeck said,

Once again someone doesnt read all the replies and where I have stated that what Google did with their patents was wrong and they needed to get knocked down a peg.

So I am supposed to read every comment that you have made on this site, and respond to them as a whole rather than the comment that you write here? Being that your name appears multiple times in multiple articles because you have an opinion that we now must read, that would be a full time job.


But hey, I guess I am a fanboy apologist and I never use MS products at all.

You seem to think that about anybody that does not agree with you, so if we are to apply the same rule to you...


Google tests the market with new products like anyone else does. Some work out, some dont. Never know until you try.

Oh, I see. So other companies (Microsoft) test new things, and if those products don't work out then the company as a whole is a failure? But Google can throw whatever they want at the wall to see what sticks, and we should only remember their successes?


And Google earth's issues is obviously a PC related problem. And yes, it is up to the user to fix many issues with software and hardware. A lot of times problems can be related to other software installed or what the user did to the computer. But hey, I guess that is Google's fault as well.

Right. Don't hold Google accountable for their s*** software, it is the computer manufacturer's fault, the OS manufacturer's fault, the user's fault. There are millions of computer users, and only a small fraction of those people know how to fix their computers. But Google dumps whatever crap they want on your computer, and if it causes problems then it is the user's fault. Let me guess, the user is installing it wrong? Running it wrong? Holding it wrong?

Get a clue dude.

Yep, your typical personal attacks.

Dot Matrix said,

What? How is my PC to blame for Google's ****ty coding? Load up Google Earth on Windows 8, and tell me, does it fit into the OS? Does it follow post XP app conventions? The answer is no.

Why would anybody even care if it "fits" into the OS or not? The hilarity here is that you're the only one who can't get Google Earth to work. So that leads us to interesting conclusions...

SoylentG said,

So I am supposed to read every comment that you have made on this site, and respond to them as a whole rather than the comment that you write here?

Nope, but if you reply to something, dont know what you are talking about...makes you look silly. And i never said rely to them all...just to read and understand and not accuse someone of something when you obviously dont know what you are talking about.


You seem to think that about anybody that does not agree with you, so if we are to apply the same rule to you...

Nope, wrong. You said I am a Google fanboy. I use more MS stuff that I do Google and prefer certain products on both sides.


Oh, I see. So other companies (Microsoft) test new things, and if those products don't work out then the company as a whole is a failure? But Google can throw whatever they want at the wall to see what sticks, and we should only remember their successes?

Where did I say this? Seriously, you are off in your own little world dude.


Right. Don't hold Google accountable for their s*** software, it is the computer manufacturer's fault, the OS manufacturer's fault, the user's fault. There are millions of computer users, and only a small fraction of those people know how to fix their computers. But Google dumps whatever crap they want on your computer, and if it causes problems then it is the user's fault. Let me guess, the user is installing it wrong? Running it wrong? Holding it wrong?

If it is a mass problem/issue..then yea, its the companies fault that produces the product. If it is a small user group, then its most likely an isolated incident.

Your replies to me, and pretty much only to me, are filled with your own words, words I didnt state/say, and assumptions based of nothing.

I am done with you but thanks for the entertainment.

Edited by techbeck, May 29 2013, 5:20pm :

techbeck said,

I am done with you but thanks for the entertainment.

And there it is. You get backed into a corner when the arguments you use being turned back against your favorite company, and you stomp off and refuse to answer any more. It is called debating, and if the argument is not in your favor, then you stomp off in a huff. I guess you are really like Google.

SoylentG said,

And there it is. You get backed into a corner when the arguments you use being turned back against your favorite company, and you stomp off and refuse to answer any more. It is called debating, and if the argument is not in your favor, then you stomp off in a huff. I guess you are really like Google.

Sorry, when people accusing me of saying things I do not say, accuse me of having views I do not have, and do not fully read and comprehend what I have said in a post...then I have a problem with that. That is not debating. Especially since you are only like this towards me for some odd reason. Never thought I would have a stalker....

Everyone here can comment and have a mature argument and then you pop in. If that is how you are going to be every time I make a post (and its only comments/replies to me) and try to have a debate with someone, then go ahead. You wont see me responding to you anymore.

So take care...have a good day.

techbeck said,

Sorry, when people accusing me of saying things I do not say, accuse me of having views I do not have, and do not fully read and comprehend what I have said in a post...then I have a problem with that. That is not debating. Especially since you are only like this towards me for some odd reason. Never thought I would have a stalker....


I have read what you wrote. Attacks against people, giving Google a pass for the very things you gleefully condemn Microsoft, and so on. It is not others who make it up, it is you that decide that the debate does not fit into what you want it to be, so you decide that you don't want to have the conversation, say your usual "good day" only to return to throw out another set of personal attacks.


Everyone here can comment and have a mature argument and then you pop in. If that is how you are going to be every time I make a post (and its only comments/replies to me) and try to have a debate with someone, then go ahead.

So now you are calling me immature? And no, it is not every time you make a post, since we see your posts all day every day, non stop. I would need to quit my job if I were to comment every time you make a post.

You wont see me responding to you anymore.

Promise? Do you really mean it this time?

So take care...have a good day.

Same to you, look forward to "debating" you again in the future.

Dot Matrix said,

What? How is my PC to blame for Google's ****ty coding? Load up Google Earth on Windows 8, and tell me, does it fit into the OS? Does it follow post XP app conventions? The answer is no.


PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not in Computer..

VincentM said,


PICNIC = Problem In Chair, Not in Computer..

I expect something better than **** coded for Windows XP, and it's my fault?????

Dot Matrix said,

I expect something better than **** coded for Windows XP, and it's my fault?????

You don't seem to have a clue how coding works...

Dot Matrix said,

I expect something better than **** coded for Windows XP, and it's my fault?????


Yea, Here at my Job we still run XP SP3 and Google Earth runs fine, and i'm in the IT dept...crack open that CompTIA book man, it might do you some good.

VincentM said,


Yea, Here at my Job we still run XP SP3 and Google Earth runs fine, and i'm in the IT dept...crack open that CompTIA book man, it might do you some good.

What good is CompTIA going to do when Google Earth doesn't properly take advantage of newer Windows APIs? That's something only Google can fix, and despite my attempts at contacting them, won't. All because Larry Page is a moron.

Dot Matrix said,

What good is CompTIA going to do when Google Earth doesn't properly take advantage of newer Windows APIs? That's something only Google can fix, and despite my attempts at contacting them, won't. All because Larry Page is a moron.

How does one even respond to this? It's just so stupid. How did Google respond other than HNNNNG?

Dot Matrix said,

What good is CompTIA going to do when Google Earth doesn't properly take advantage of newer Windows APIs? That's something only Google can fix, and despite my attempts at contacting them, won't. All because i'm a moron.

Robert Brand said,
+1 but wouldn't bacteria to virus might work better?

More like the pus that infects the mucus that cruds up the fungus that feeds on the pond scum...

causa45 said,
Microsoft's jealousy is hilarious.

More like Google's pettiness... LOL I think you need to take your Google Goggles off...

M_Lyons10 said,

More like Google's pettiness... LOL I think you need to take your Google Goggles off...

Actually Google Goggles is the Google Image Search application for iOS and Android. Just saying....

tanjiajun_34 said,
Actually Google Goggles is the Google Image Search application for iOS and Android. Just saying....

HAHAHA, that's funny. I didn't know a product with that name existed... LOL

Well, I'm going to have to rebrand that then.

causa45 said,
Microsoft's jealousy is hilarious.

Robert understands and delivers the very meaning of sensationalism. Just scroll down... (and weep).