Windows Phone users unable to access Google maps via the web

If you are a Windows Phone user and you enjoy using Google maps via your browser, you are up the creek without a paddle as Windows Phone 8 users are unable to access maps.Google.com.

It’s unclear if Google is intentionally doing this or if it was an honest mistake but given that Google has stated they will not be building Windows Phone applications, is screwing around with Windows Phone apps access to YouTube and is killing off EAS support for free Gmail accounts, it’s likely safe to say this was probably not an accident.

It’s unclear as to why Google has gone all anti-Microsoft as of recent but it may have to do with Microsoft turning the screws on Android vendors and forcing patent royalties to be paid for each device sold. Either way, the consumer is once again harmed as these two giants try to become the mobile alpha-dog.

Now, before we burn down Google, this could be an honest mistake as users are simply being redirected but whatever way you slice it, Windows Phone 8 users are unable to access Google maps.

Via WMPoweruser

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The one thing you should always do in Business is "don't upset your competition" especially a competition that has it's own operating systems working in the billions all over the world. you Don't wake up the sleeping Giant Google you may regret it. Oh, while I'm at it it's obvious the US Gov. has no idea about this stuff at all. Europe has already caught Google but the US seems asleep! I think the cronies at Google deserve a little bloody nose!

Don't see the big deal. Due to privacy concerns I personally avoid Google whenever possible, so this is actually a feature on the plus side.

Google acting like a little baby again. They are still under investigation in many states right now and money wont get rid of that. The EU are not the softy that the American FTC are either.
I think this was intentional on googles behalf but they will probably correct it with some lame excuse. MS should kill EAS for all google accounts, including paid ones. Maybe next moths updates for Windows we will see a security patch to finally get rid of the exploit known as google.

There is no doubt that this is a severe breach of the antitrust agreements Google signed with the FTC only yesterday. I hope they get what's coming to them. Specially from the EU.

If Microsoft were to block google.com in Windows they'd be blubbering like the little children they are. This must be a new definition of "management".

The only difference is, only people that use Internet Explorer would be affected. Otherwise Microsoft would be snooping and data mining my activities on Firefox or Chrome.

Second, a lot more people would complain because let's face it, Google.com is used a lot more than Windows Phone. That would be a real story.

Third, That will never happen.

SCOOBY_666UK said,
Desktop requires OpenGL & Mobile IE ONLY gives access to Places search... no app for Win Phone.

Desktop doesn't require OpenGL and the Web version works fine on WP7.5 and WP8. (Better than the dedicated Google Maps App on Android for accuracy.)

Google isn't blocking WP from accessing mobile maps. Google Maps mobile has never supported Internet Explorer, and is designed for Webkit-based browsers, can't blame Google if Microsoft uses a rubbish rendering engine in their mobile browser when the rest of the world uses Webkit.

yowanvista said,
Google isn't blocking WP from accessing mobile maps. Google Maps mobile has never supported Internet Explorer, and is designed for Webkit-based browsers, can't blame Google if Microsoft uses a rubbish rendering engine in their mobile browser when the rest of the world uses Webkit.

This is what I'm worried about. If the whole world uses Webkit then its standard will start dropping. The same happened when everyone was using Trident.

The death of Gecko and Trident, or in other words, competition, is bad for any industry or market. Not that Webkit is doing a bad job currently...

This reactionary anti Google capacity gets boring. Where Google are concerned it seems Neowin's staff are only too happy to hop on the bandwagon.

It's redirecting any device sending a Windows Phone 7.x or 8.x string to the http://www.google.com mobile search page, rather than serving up maps.google.com content (I confirmed this via Fiddler as well, just to make sure it wasn't my phone). the iPhone will redirect to the "install the google map apps" page, and the iPad and Android UA strings (tried 4.1.x and 4.2 strings to be sure) and those work fine, so it seems like the 302 redirect is the issue.

Not sure why they'd be doing it, but it does seem specific to the Windows Phone string - if I use Fiddler to proxy my WP traffic and change the UA string to look like an iPad or an Android device, I can get the page just fine on my phone, so it's not a functionality issue at the moment. The odd thing is, once I got it to work once, it now continues to work without modifying the UA string. Seems like it could be either intentional or just bad web coding for UA sniffing, but in either case users should consider using the inbox maps app, or (if you've got access to it) the Nokia Maps apps or 3rd party gmaps apps in the store.

I don't use Maps all that often, and when I do, I just use Bing Maps. For some reason though, I remember it being like this since day one, though I could be wrong.
Still, there's always gMaps.

This is a good day for everyone to stop using Google Maps and try Bing or something that you might find you like better.

On all platforms.

It is also a good idea to get out of the habit of using Google Maps, as it is one of the few that still collects and retains location and tracking information on people. Bing doesn't, and Apple nearly killed iOS by developing their own product to PREVENT Google's tracking, as Google would NOT allow Apple to use Google maps without tracking. (BTW Google Mapping on the iPhone prior to iOS6 and even the dedicated Google Maps App just released, DOES TRACK YOU and DOES RETAIN your location and mapping search information.)

As bad as iOS6 maps are, at least Apple doesn't retain tracking information on you.

Bing and Nokia Maps also do not retain or collect tracking information on you.

thenetavenger said,
This is a good day for everyone to stop using Google Maps and try Bing

And why would i use an inferior product by a company as bad as google when it comes to anti-competitive practices ?

Google maps is simply a better product when it comes to rural canada.

LaP said,

And why would i use an inferior product by a company as bad as google when it comes to anti-competitive practices ?

Google maps is simply a better product when it comes to rural canada.

Bing doesn't track and store your location data and use it for product advertising and trending and mining?

Just by using Google Maps, an employee at Google can literally see how drunk you were when you walked home the night before. Yes this is collected, yes this is stored and yes this is available to employees at Google.

Google's tracking of users is why Apple WOULD NOT allow Google to be their default mapping product, as they had been subjected to the legal backlash it caused in a lot of countries and with a lot of businesses around the world.

Several countries sued Apple because of Google maps tracking their citizens, and when Apple wanted to Google to remove the tracking 'collection' of data, Google REFUSED. This is how and why Apple bought and co-developed their own mapping product, even knowing at best it would not be as good as Google's current offering. At least they could keep Google from tracing their users and getting them sued for privacy violations.


You walking around finding a taco stand, you may not care. However, Google likes that you don't care, and sells your patterns to advertisers and uses it for trending and investment information.

If you had a neighbor follow you around town, and then go to a local store and sell your 'habits' and location at 2am to the store, would you really be ok with it? If so, I can fly someone up and follow you around and sell information about you.

Ambroos said,
Google does still have way better map data. And I like the tracking, search history and autocomplete is brilliant!

The 'features' you describe are in other products, specifically Bing maps.

As for 'tracking' you are missing the point. Google collecting information of where you are and using location data and storing location data and selling this to other companies is kind of a violation of your privacy. 'Tracking' isn't a feature in this context.

thenetavenger said,

Google's tracking of users is why Apple WOULD NOT allow Google to be their default mapping product.....

Really? I thought I read before it was because Apple wants Google to add voice turn by turn navigation but Google refused to do so if Apple don't add the Google Branding into the app.

And also what so bad about "product advertising and trending and mining" anyway?

thenetavenger said,

Bing doesn't track and store your location data and use it for product advertising and trending and mining?

How are you so sure about that?

Reading the Bing Maps terms of use I see that the service is bound to the same Microsoft Online Privacy conditions as their other services, which means they can use the collected data for "displaying content and advertising that are customized to your interests and preferences".

No joy on lumia 920 here, although got to say its the only time i tried. Nokia maps with offline access kills gmaps, but the choice issue and google acting like little children is ridiculous!

Yes Nokia's mapping and gps nav simply put google to shame, why nayone cares about anything to do with google on a WP is beyond me but I guess its about having the choice and google are just being childish pricks.

I'm on my Nokia 920, and the only thing I access from google is Youtube. Nokia map or bing map are already good enuff for me.

Are there Windows Phone users out there that are using Google Maps on their WPs?

I'm happy with Bing Maps. No Google for me.

Doesn't work on my Lumia 900/WP7.5. Using the Google Search app looks horribly blander than normal. The suggestions as I type no longer appear (maybe it's my connection over AT&T).

efjay said,
WP users, stop using google products and services. Problem solved.

I have but its principle of choice that is at stake. That Google doesn't want to develop apps for Windows Phone or support others in doing so is one thing. It's a poor show but they're free to show their bad side to the public. But I have a browser on my phone and I should be able to use their online maps. If this is done on purpose then I've gone from not caring to disliking Google.

thats odd, I have a HTC 7 Surround, with Tango, I live in Canada, I have NEVER been able to make google maps work on my phone through the web browser, and I have never tried to through a third party app.

I have the same phone, and I used to be able to use their mobile maps thing, which they seem to have removed.

I haven't used Google Maps in over a year but I like to have choice. Right now Google Maps isn't better then the competition but when it gets better I don't want to leave an entire ecosystem to use it.

Has this something to do with the anti-trust investigation? If you get cleared does it mean you can't be accused again for a certain time period? Seems like someone at Google is a major douche who apparantly read their company slogan wrong. He either read: 'be evil' or 'be a douche'.

Ronnet said,
I haven't used Google Maps in over a year but I like to have choice. Right now Google Maps isn't better then the competition but when it gets better I don't want to leave an entire ecosystem to use it.

You are so right. But why did those ignorant iOS users go gaga over the app when it was released? Let's not forget those ignorant android users. /s

Microsoft and Google better come to some sort of agreement because this is ridiculous. Customers shouldn't suffer because of a bit of bad blood between two companies.

They should agree to: -

@ Cross-license their patent portfolios.
@ Google should bring all their apps to Metro and WP
@ MS should bring Office and their other apps to Android.
@ MS should bake better Google integration into Windows (and Phone) e.g. Google+ support in the People Hub.

thealexweb said,
They should agree to: -

@ Cross-license their patent portfolios.
@ Google should bring all their apps to Metro and WP
@ MS should bring Office and their other apps to Android.
@ MS should bake better Google integration into Windows (and Phone) e.g. Google+ support in the People Hub.

Agreed on Google +. I don't use it personally, but a few people have asked me about this actually. The People Hub should support all the major social networks.

Anaron said,
Microsoft and Google better come to some sort of agreement because this is ridiculous. Customers shouldn't suffer because of a bit of bad blood between two companies.

I wonder if this is something that is just being blown out of proportion but it does seem a little coincidental with the recent FTC stuff being dismissed. Google may have just been waiting to strike MS users. I think Google is tired of MS making more off Android handset sells than they are and this is a form of retaliation but I'm probably oversimplifying things.

thats exactly what google's Larry Page said couple of weeks ago and how see what they are doing: first ditching Exchange support for Gmail client in favor of inferior IMAP. then they said they will not develop any google application for windows platform and now blocking maps. seriously who is the dick here? I have an android tablet and I run Microsoft One note Just fine as well as Sky drive and Bing. do you see any google application in Windows 8 Metro or Phone? F**ck u Google. Now I understand why apple ditched google map for they shi**y Map. The realized it sooner

thealexweb said,
They should agree to: -

@ Cross-license their patent portfolios.
@ Google should bring all their apps to Metro and WP
@ MS should bring Office and their other apps to Android.
@ MS should bake better Google integration into Windows (and Phone) e.g. Google+ support in the People Hub.

The funny thing about your list is that you do not realize how one sided this dispute truly is. Microsoft deals with Sony and Apple EVERYDAY professionally, and Microsoft is their biggest competition in many areas. The Public banter and the professional dealings are two different things.

When it comes to Google, they not only alienate and will not with Microsoft, they have also done the same with Apple and several other companies that did not conform.

1) Cross license Patents? Google doesn't have much of interest to Microsoft, and since Google DOES NOT CREATE TECHNOLOGY OR PRODUCTS, they were is little incentive for Microsoft to gain any technology from Google. Apple and Microsoft have more of a do not sue agreement, rather than full patent/copyright sharing.

2) Google should bring their Apps to Metro, and Microsoft welcomes them to do so. Microsoft has even offered to ASSIST them in development. (Think back to 1990, Microsoft offered to help Lotus and Wordperfect port their flagship products to Windows 3.0 as well, and both companies gave Microsoft the finger.)

3) Microsoft is bringing Office to Android; however, it will be a limited editing version, as Android is a not a rich enough OS to even begin to enable 1/1000th of the features in what the RT/Desktop version of Office offers. This again is where the core OS model and kernel technologies are REALLY IMPORTANT.

4) Microsoft does have support for Google integration in WP, as much as Google will allow. Microsoft wanted more Live/WP integration support for Google+ and Youtube, which is directly where the Native YouTube App and restriction of access to the Youtube APIs became a point of contention with Microsoft as they could not bake in Youtube 'hub/video/photo' sharing features for WP.

Now you see why the list is a bit funny? Everything you think should happen, Microsoft agrees with you on, with the exception of possibly the cross license usage, but even in that area Microsoft has offered concessions that Google rejected. Go look at the Motorola deal, Microsoft was willing to trade out licensing, and Google (knowing they would be buying Motorola) told them not to take the deal from Microsoft and ensured them that Google would be able to fight Microsoft for them. In the end, Google's involvement, especially with the MPEG group contractual obligations, hurt Motorola's case, and Google found themselves digging through Motorola's patents instead of offering help to Motorola.

thealexweb said,
They should agree to: -

@ Cross-license their patent portfolios.
@ Google should bring all their apps to Metro and WP
@ MS should bring Office and their other apps to Android.
@ MS should bake better Google integration into Windows (and Phone) e.g. Google+ support in the People Hub.

So MS should make Office for Android.. seems like MS is getting the raw end of the deal here. and MS already had excellent integration with google in WP7, it's surely not gotten worse in 8. well untill google decided to use their market dominance to screw the WP adopters.

thealexweb said,
Access to thousands of Google's patents, YoutTube, Chrome, Maps for Windows and Windwows Phone, Microsoft gains quite a lot.

To bad googles patent portfolio is a bunch of old news paper paper next to MS'

thealexweb said,
Chrome would only exist in Metro, not in Metro and the desktop like I.E does, puts them at a disadvantage

Hardly.... the desktop on Windows RT is just an environment to perform advanced system configuration, and to launch Office 2013... that's it. It is not a work environment and does not allow additional software installation. The primary environment on Windows RT devices is the Metro interface. The only time 95% of RT users will ever see the desktop is when they want to use Office.

Google are more than welcome to develop a Metro based browser if they want. But they are too lazy to and their efforts to date have just been to wrap their existing Win32 application inside a Metro app.

MDboyz said,
So it is wrong if MS block google products from Windows OS, but it is ok for google to do this?

Except Microsoft NEVER blocked Google products. The only thing Microsoft has done is not allowed ANY company to produce 'desktop API' software for Windows RT.

Google can port Chrome to WinRT and run on Windows RT, and even run on Windows Phone if they want as well.

Microsoft hasn't restricted anything specific to Google what so ever.

Even Windows Phone isn't even 'locked' to Bing, carriers can and have changed the default search engine. Heck even Verizon uses their own search URL on their WP devices.

Google started the ****ing match when they were still fighting with MSN Search, and ironically used the anti-trust rulings to gain market share from Microsoft, by suing and issuing complaints to the USA and EU. This is what eventually killed off MSN Search as a brand due to the Microsoft branding and at the time 'illegal' tie in with Windows and IE, specifically IE7 on Vista.

IE7 of Vista was a major blow to Google as it removed ad tracking using one of their favorite methods via undisclosed pixels and other tricks. This was when Firefox was also following Microsoft with extensions that blocked Ad tracking and starting to detect the same cross site tracking that Google used. When Vista and IE7 was in development, Google first complained to everyone with some success and then picked up the Chrome project so that they would have full control over the browser experience, and it was their hope to pick up enough users that they continue to use various types of ad tracking and reporting via Chrome.

(Which they still do to this day, but people no longer seem to care about the information Chrome sends back to Google, like they did about software previously. All it took was the Google to smile and keep saying they weren't evil.)

My best guess on why Google is doing the maps thing with WP, they are testing the waters to see how much latitude the FTC ruling actually gives them.

Google in the past few months have purposely 'HURT' their customers by removing features that they saw as also beneficial to Microsoft.

in contrast, Microsoft has been admonished in the past by giving their customer too many features. (HTML engine in OS, WMP, etc.) Heck even integrating the use of TrueType 'fonts' in Windows 3.1 was considered to be a 'bad' thing, claiming it hurt consumers. And this crap was long before IE or WMP.

I think giving users features is a bit different than ripping away features from consumers, but hey, Google isn't evil, right. *wink* *wink*

You mean like Microsoft dropping DVD support, adding new interface but still needing to use desktop to actually configure stuff, dropping Live Mesh, dropping SkyDrive storage amounts, scanning users SkyDrives and removing"dirty" pictures, etc..

Part of reason for Microsoft's issues weren't the IE was included, but you couldn't remove it. There are ways to do it, but a few things won't work if you do.

It could be a mistake with the userstring that could be rectified quickly or it could be Google is planning to deploy some HTML5 feature that isn't yet supported by mobile I.E so have pulled it to prevent the product appearing broken.

Maybe if Google stopped redirecting all their sites to the mobile version when you have the option set to use the desktop version this wouldn't be an issue as IE on WP supports HTML5 just fine...

thealexweb said,
It could be a mistake with the userstring that could be rectified quickly or it could be Google is planning to deploy some HTML5 feature that isn't yet supported by mobile I.E so have pulled it to prevent the product appearing broken.

With the exception of a couple of minor items, there 'technically' is NO MOBILE IE.

IE10 on WP8 is the same engine in WinRT and used in IE10 on Windows 8.
IE9 on WP7.5 is the same engine as the desktop version of IE9.

If you set your Android or any other browser to spoof having ANY of the Windows Phone user agents, Google redirects. So unless they are changing a feature ONLY FOR WINDOWS PHONES, I would say your 'guess' is not even close to reality.

If the IE10 or IE9 desktop versions STOP working, then you might have an argument; however, Google is only affecting WP at the moment.

thealexweb said,
It could be a mistake with the userstring that could be rectified quickly or it could be Google is planning to deploy some HTML5 feature that isn't yet supported by mobile I.E so have pulled it to prevent the product appearing broken.

I love this "implemented a new HTML 5 feature" thing, its not yet a standard!

the only possible reason a company the size of google could not properly test all browsers is because of an arrogant belief that they are the web now...........do people not see the irony here?

thealexweb said,
It could be a mistake with the userstring that could be rectified quickly or it could be Google is planning to deploy some HTML5 feature that isn't yet supported by mobile I.E so have pulled it to prevent the product appearing broken.

I think that this is the most likely scenario and people are getting worked over nothing. We will have to wait and see.

duddit2 said,

I love this "implemented a new HTML 5 feature" thing, its not yet a standard!

the only possible reason a company the size of google could not properly test all browsers is because of an arrogant belief that they are the web now...........do people not see the irony here?

Well I'm sorry but they sort of are. They are most likely the most popular set of websites in the world and their browser (Chrome, which does support all those pre-standard features) is the most popular browser in the world. When they want to do something new and innovative they're not going to wait years for a standard to finally be finalized.

The consumer also got screwed when Microsoft used it's monopoly in the 90's.
Looks like what goes around comes around.

/fanboy rant in 1, 2,...

Luis Mazza said,
The consumer also got screwed when Microsoft used it's monopoly in the 90's.
Looks like what goes around comes around.

/fanboy rant in 1, 2,...

Comes around to who exactly? The consumer got screwed in the 90's and now they're getting screwed again. WHY DO YOU HATE HUMANITY?! (S)

Ronnet said,

Comes around to who exactly? The consumer got screwed in the 90's and now they're getting screwed again. WHY DO YOU HATE HUMANITY?! (S)

Don't you?

/s

lol

Luis Mazza said,
The consumer also got screwed when Microsoft used it's monopoly in the 90's.
Looks like what goes around comes around.

/fanboy rant in 1, 2,...

How was the consumer "screwed" when Microsoft started to bundle internet explorer and windows media player into Windows? If anybody, those being screwed were the makers of competing browsers and media players, not the consumer. The consumer did, and continues to have a choice to install and use whatever they want. In fact, I'd probably even go so far as saying Microsoft's bundling of IE actually helped the consumer. How else would they be able to download their choice of browser if they didn't have a browser to begin with without resorting to finding/buying a CD copy of one somewhere?

Also for the record, saying "/fanboy rant in 1, 2,..." is blatant flamebait which is no better than those fanboy rants you refer to.

Luis Mazza said,
The consumer also got screwed when Microsoft used it's monopoly in the 90's.
Looks like what goes around comes around.

/fanboy rant in 1, 2,...

as others have said, the rant has occurred

i will add though, MS paid a majorly hefty fee for what you described. Google had a meeting. Not a rant, but do the math..

TCLN Ryster said,

How was the consumer "screwed" when Microsoft started to bundle internet explorer and windows media player into Windows? If anybody, those being screwed were the makers of competing browsers and media players, not the consumer. The consumer did, and continues to have a choice to install and use whatever they want. In fact, I'd probably even go so far as saying Microsoft's bundling of IE actually helped the consumer. How else would they be able to download their choice of browser if they didn't have a browser to begin with without resorting to finding/buying a CD copy of one somewhere?

Also for the record, saying "/fanboy rant in 1, 2,..." is blatant flamebait which is no better than those fanboy rants you refer to.

Agreed. That's long been my point. When I start a computer, I expect to be able to browse the web. If I want another browser I will (And do) install one, but how would the average person install another browser if they had no browser to begin with? lol

M_Lyons10 said,

Agreed. That's long been my point. When I start a computer, I expect to be able to browse the web. If I want another browser I will (And do) install one, but how would the average person install another browser if they had no browser to begin with? lol


It always struck me that people were angry with Microsoft for not doing enough to fight user inertia.

Sure, every OS--commercial or open source--bundled a default web browser as soon as one was available to bundle. Sure, every user expected quick and easy access to the web as soon as always-on internet was the norm (beforehand, users were used to popping in that AOL/CompuServe/Prodigy floppy). And sure, it was completely unheard of for an OS to go out of its way to guide users to third party applications.

But nobody expected that so many users would be satisfied enough with stock software to never bother looking for an alternative. It never occurred to anyone that it feels somehow 'cleaner' to use software that came with the OS rather than something else that simply hooks into it. This inertia is what made everyone freak out. Users were the 'problem', Microsoft got the blame.

Ah you mean all those geeks that used the internet in the 90's that where perfectly capable of downloading a browser themselves and where already switching from Netscape en masse long before it was included in Windows. besides that, I don't see how including a web browser with your OS was out of line anyway.

oh wait, you where waiting for the fan boys, and you where already here...

HawkMan said,
Ah you mean all those geeks that used the internet in the 90's that where perfectly capable of downloading a browser themselves and where already switching from Netscape en masse long before it was included in Windows. besides that, I don't see how including a web browser with your OS was out of line anyway.

oh wait, you where waiting for the fan boys, and you where already here...

If you don't see that, then you should at least see the rest of the comments and my last comment and links.

Are you here? Can you do that?

ah so you had nothing of value to contribute, noone said MS played nice, that's not their job either their job as a corporation is to gain marketshare and increase profits.

however, your claims that they used their dominance to take over the browser market is a sky castle. web users back then, as I said, where advanced users, they knew how to switch browser, and they where already doing it, TO IE.

HawkMan said,
ah so you had nothing of value to contribute, noone said MS played nice, that's not their job either their job as a corporation is to gain marketshare and increase profits.

however, your claims that they used their dominance to take over the browser market is a sky castle. web users back then, as I said, where advanced users, they knew how to switch browser, and they where already doing it, TO IE.

I remember when IE4 came out, I never went back to Netscape!

HawkMan said,
ah so you had nothing of value to contribute, noone said MS played nice, that's not their job either their job as a corporation is to gain marketshare and increase profits.

however, your claims that they used their dominance to take over the browser market is a sky castle. web users back then, as I said, where advanced users, they knew how to switch browser, and they where already doing it, TO IE.

Are you crazy? I never said a word about browser wars.
WTF??

Luis Mazza said,

Are you crazy? I never said a word about browser wars.
WTF??

No, you didn't. You just threw out a bunch of crap that is not related to Google screwing over users, complain about trolls in your trolling comment, and then complain about others writing about your trolling comment.

nohone said,

No, you didn't. You just threw out a bunch of crap that is not related to Google screwing over users, complain about trolls in your trolling comment, and then complain about others writing about your trolling comment.

And you just can't resist this 'troll' here for about three or four times in past occasions. Good for you, then, because you seem to like it.

Pretty happy with Nokia Maps myself.. but this is just a dick move, *if* it's intentional.. but probably a screwup somewhere.

drazgoosh said,
Nokia maps is absolutely amazing on the Lumia 920 but I feel for those with non-Nokia Windows Phones...

Yeah, I don't miss Google maps one bit on my 920 either.

Majesticmerc said,
I don't know what I find more sad. The fact that someone would post a comment this dumb, or that three other idiots would 'like' it.

Your kidding right?
You cant ignore that Google has it out for MS, shown with the Youtube debacle... Either your ignorant, or just a fanboy... But the way Google is acting is not that of a company I want to stand behind.

You can try to say all you want that it wasn't deliberate, but doesn't change the fact that they have, and are, doing the same with other services.

So -- I don't really care if it was deliberate... it was already shown that they do this kind of stuff.

auziez said,

Your kidding right?
You cant ignore that Google has it out for MS, shown with the Youtube debacle... Either your ignorant, or just a fanboy... But the way Google is acting is not that of a company I want to stand behind.

I don't stand behind this, and as such I don't stand behind any company, but like I said above, this was not deliberate. If it were they'd have blocked the .co.uk site too. This is just a redirect error, likely due to a user-agent parsing bug. Don't attribute to malice that which can sufficiently be explained by stupidity.

Are you really standing by intellectual genius like "Microsoft should make them pee in their pants"?

auziez said,

You can try to say all you want that it wasn't deliberate, but doesn't change the fact that they have, and are, doing the same with other services.

Really, which ones? The Youtube app thing is poor form from Google, but this is a different issue.

auziez said,

So -- I don't really care if it was deliberate... it was already shown that they do this kind of stuff.

So basically you prefer to ignore the simplest and most likely explanation, and choose your own reality that suits your world view?

Majesticmerc said,
I don't know what I find more sad. The fact that someone would post a comment this dumb, or that three other idiots would 'like' it.

I find it even sadder that you sit here and insult a fellow member, then two people like it that you insulted him. Go elsewhere with that crap.

Perfect72 said,
I find it even sadder that you sit here and insult a fellow member, then two people like it that you insulted him. Go elsewhere with that crap.

You're right, and I do apologise, my annoyance got the better of me. Frankly though I'm getting really tired of the bull****, content-free, basically-trolling comments people are posting in the front page articles at the minute. It's making the site look bad.

auziez said,

Your kidding right?
You cant ignore that Google has it out for MS, shown with the Youtube debacle... Either your ignorant, or just a fanboy... But the way Google is acting is not that of a company I want to stand behind.

You can try to say all you want that it wasn't deliberate, but doesn't change the fact that they have, and are, doing the same with other services.

So -- I don't really care if it was deliberate... it was already shown that they do this kind of stuff.

You mean like Microsoft trying get people to develop SPECIFICALLY for their browser.

Because THAT never happened. /s

Majesticmerc said,

So basically you prefer to ignore the simplest and most likely explanation, and choose your own reality that suits your world view?

or yours.
just because you pick a reason that's 'nice' doesn't mean its true. I'm going off of history with Google, which is usually a good indicator. But, I wont throw out the other reasons for this either, im open to your reason.

look, you can't prove it, I can't prove it. Its really only theories at this point. I'm just saying that Google has done something like this, and yes... the YouTube incident is a perfect example, if this was deliberate. Put that in line with removing Exchange ActiveSync from Google Mail

But, if not I expect a fix soon.

Edited by auziez, Jan 5 2013, 3:36am :

Youtube app is poor from Google? Stopped reading there, there is no Youtube app from Google for WP to begin with, they are all made by individuals and 1 from Microsoft.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
Youtube app is poor from Google? Stopped reading there, there is no Youtube app from Google for WP to begin with, they are all made by individuals and 1 from Microsoft.

You misread what I said. I have no idea how good or bad the actual YouTube app is for WP, I was referring to the fact that they're being very uncooperative in trying to help Microsoft improve their player, while fully writing and supporting official apps for Android and iOS.

That's the thing. Google isn't being uncooperative, they are doing absolutely nothing at all, they are just a bunch of crybabies when it comes to WP. The only "official" app for WP for Youtube is also created by Microsoft and it's more or less a front that will eventually lead you to the browser.

Majesticmerc said,

You misread what I said. I have no idea how good or bad the actual YouTube app is for WP, I was referring to the fact that they're being very uncooperative in trying to help Microsoft improve their player, while fully writing and supporting official apps for Android and iOS.

well, looks like I was on the right track... If you have seen the latest article.

This was hardly done deliberately. If it was intentional, why would they still allow the .co.uk extension?

Lets not let occams razor get in the way of a good old fashioned anti-Google circlejerk though.

Majesticmerc said,
This was hardly done deliberately. If it was intentional, why would they still allow the .co.uk extension?

Donno why it was done, if it was intentional or not.. but the fact that it works on .co.uk and not on .com doesn't mean it's not a new direction for Google.. There have been many times where google has made changes/improvements to the .com domains, and it's taken days/weeks before they are reflected on the various other international ones.

While I imagine this was not done intentionally to WP, how does it change anything if it's a redirect instead of a 404?

Apparently if you have a web browser that lets you set a custom user agent string to "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0; Windows Phone 8.0; Trident/6.0; ARM; Touch; IEMobile/10.0; Nokia; Lumia920)" you can observe the behavior yourself.

It could still be just a bug, and Google is working on it so in the meantime they redirect the user agents affected by the bug...who knows. They haven't commented yet.

google are filtering out windows phone with user-agent, but they forgot to apply it to maps.google.co.uk where its still working fine. (put IE in desktop mode, IE > Settings > Website preference ).

Lumia 920 here