Google is trying to lock in a deal with China

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Google will likely stop censoring its search results in China but will not pull out of the country entirely.  Citing the famous, “sources familiar with the situation”, Google is currently in talks with several Chinese agencies “to allow it to operate some parts of its business in a patchwork arrangement”.

Google insiders are saying that there is no way that Google will pull out of the country entirely as doing so would leave one of the worlds largest search markets untapped.  While they may not continue offering search, other products like Gmail may remain available in the country. 

Although, according to Reuters, the Minister of Industry and Information Technology in China, Li Yizhong, said "if you don't respect Chinese laws, you are unfriendly and irresponsible, and the consequences will be on you”.

China is known to block sites that do not comply with their strict policies so it will interesting to see if Google can negotiate a deal that may block its search but not its other services.

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USA world police is by far more annoying. But I'm afraid of China, I feel like they're biding their time before they take over the world.

ozyborn said,
I, personally, do not give a damn what China thinks.

Which is why us Chinese don't give a damn what everyone else thinks as well, just perpetuating the cycle.

Let me first qualify by stating that I'm a Brit who works for a Chinese IP law firm. I previously worked in the USA for 20 years on IP law.

I'm a little amused at those Westerners who believe that there is no IP protection in China. Far from it. In fact there is probably even more protection here than in the USA and certainly more than in the UK. China is a signatory of the WTO agreement.

Ok we know there is rampant copying of DVDs in Chinese markets. But I suppose there are no Bit Torrent downloads in the West? The Chinese government have banned YouTube. SInce about 97% of YouTube's content infringes copyright law, why doesn't the US ban it?

And Google? Please, don't make me laugh. Giggle more like. Google is facing over 15,000 lawsuits in China as a result of their publishing copyrighted Chinese books on the Internet without permission. Copyright law doesn't apply to Google? Here in China Google are shedding customers faster than Obama is losing credibility. Their stupidity has been a huge advertisement for Baidu and Bing. The US company Motorola have dropped Google Search from a Google phone and replaced it with Bing. Says it all really.

And if you would like to talk about morals you should first consider that China hasn't invaded any other sovereign country and doesn't have troops stationed in dozens of foreign countries.

You should look at where the keyboard, computer or phone you used to enter your anti-Chinese rant was made. If you don't like China, why buy Chinese goods? Why not make your own. Sorry I forgot, your sorry ass can't afford it and you need to borrow trillions of dollars from China to stay solvent and pay for your wars. This must be a new definition of 'moral'.

greatscot said,
Let me first qualify by stating that I'm a Brit who works for a Chinese IP law firm. I previously worked in the USA for 20 years on IP law.

I'm a little amused at those Westerners who believe that there is no IP protection in China. Far from it. In fact there is probably even more protection here than in the USA and certainly more than in the UK. China is a signatory of the WTO agreement.

Ok we know there is rampant copying of DVDs in Chinese markets. But I suppose there are no Bit Torrent downloads in the West? The Chinese government have banned YouTube. SInce about 97% of YouTube's content infringes copyright law, why doesn't the US ban it?

And Google? Please, don't make me laugh. Giggle more like. Google is facing over 15,000 lawsuits in China as a result of their publishing copyrighted Chinese books on the Internet without permission. Copyright law doesn't apply to Google? Here in China Google are shedding customers faster than Obama is losing credibility. Their stupidity has been a huge advertisement for Baidu and Bing. The US company Motorola have dropped Google Search from a Google phone and replaced it with Bing. Says it all really.

And if you would like to talk about morals you should first consider that China hasn't invaded any other sovereign country and doesn't have troops stationed in dozens of foreign countries.

You should look at where the keyboard, computer or phone you used to enter your anti-Chinese rant was made. If you don't like China, why buy Chinese goods? Why not make your own. Sorry I forgot, your sorry ass can't afford it and you need to borrow trillions of dollars from China to stay solvent and pay for your wars. This must be a new definition of 'moral'.

Interesting perspective you have. Not sure how accurate you are on Chinese IP law or if your creditials, but it is an insightful view if accurate.

The only issue I have with your post really is the last one on the US, I assume, not making its own goods and insisting on buying Chinese made goods. A good argument as to why is the, as the US has considered it for years, unfair competition from China...

What I mean by that is the Chinese government undervaluing the Yuan and in turn making their goods cheaper to US buyers than they actually are. Which in turn forcing more buying from China than would normally occur. In laymens terms the trade situation isn't a balanced and fair one.

There is reason for China to do so, of course. It allows the Chinese economy to continue to grow at such rapid pace. The US can be seen as being given a free line of credit from China, but that will have implications later.

The US has reason to complain. It doesn't have any ability to control the unfair competition of the undervalued Yuan as it is pegged to the US Dollar still.

greatscot said,
Let me first qualify by stating that I'm a Brit who works for a Chinese IP law firm. I previously worked in the USA for 20 years on IP law.

I'm a little amused at those Westerners who believe that there is no IP protection in China. Far from it. In fact there is probably even more protection here than in the USA and certainly more than in the UK. China is a signatory of the WTO agreement.

Ok we know there is rampant copying of DVDs in Chinese markets. But I suppose there are no Bit Torrent downloads in the West? The Chinese government have banned YouTube. SInce about 97% of YouTube's content infringes copyright law, why doesn't the US ban it?

And Google? Please, don't make me laugh. Giggle more like. Google is facing over 15,000 lawsuits in China as a result of their publishing copyrighted Chinese books on the Internet without permission. Copyright law doesn't apply to Google? Here in China Google are shedding customers faster than Obama is losing credibility. Their stupidity has been a huge advertisement for Baidu and Bing. The US company Motorola have dropped Google Search from a Google phone and replaced it with Bing. Says it all really.

And if you would like to talk about morals you should first consider that China hasn't invaded any other sovereign country and doesn't have troops stationed in dozens of foreign countries.

You should look at where the keyboard, computer or phone you used to enter your anti-Chinese rant was made. If you don't like China, why buy Chinese goods? Why not make your own. Sorry I forgot, your sorry ass can't afford it and you need to borrow trillions of dollars from China to stay solvent and pay for your wars. This must be a new definition of 'moral'.


+1?

greatscot said,
Let me first qualify by stating that I'm a Brit who works for a Chinese IP law firm. I previously worked in the USA for 20 years on IP law.

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+million

M_Lyons10 said,
Hm... Wouldn't Search be the profitable business? How much benefit could there be in keeping GMail if they lose search?

Google makes cash on ads. And since they can get better (more targeted) ads via Gmail (reading every email you ever send and recieve) they stand to make more money that way.

"if you don't respect Chinese laws, you are unfriendly and irresponsible, and the consequences will be on you”.

I'm sick of this

macf13nd said,
"if you don't respect Chinese laws, you are unfriendly and irresponsible, and the consequences will be on you”.

I'm sick of this

Why?

macf13nd said,
"if you don't respect Chinese laws, you are unfriendly and irresponsible, and the consequences will be on you”.

I'm sick of this

Why? If you were in say America, and you did something that was against the law you would be arrested. The same applies in China.

How logical or illogical a law is doesn't apply.

macf13nd said,
"if you don't respect Chinese laws, you are unfriendly and irresponsible, and the consequences will be on you”.

I'm sick of this

Its a different culture and government type, and its THEIR soil, they can do whatever they want on their own territory. The people will get what they want, eventually.

macf13nd said,
"if you don't respect Chinese laws, you are unfriendly and irresponsible, and the consequences will be on you”.

I'm sick of this


They say that we are "unfriendly and irresponsible". Well if that's not the pot calling the kettle black, then I don't know what it.

I would say that he is probably sick of it because Chinese doesn't respect anybody elses laws but they want you to respect theirs. Copyright and patent law is a joke in China, but do it to them and they'll go screaming to the WTO or wherever.

all that said, it is their country and as far as their laws are concerned they can do whatever they want, it's up to "greedy" businesses to not do business with them. As that's unlikely to happen anytime soon, companies just need to be quiet and put up with China's laws.

macrosslover said,
I would say that he is probably sick of it because Chinese doesn't respect anybody elses laws but they want you to respect theirs. Copyright and patent law is a joke in China, but do it to them and they'll go screaming to the WTO or wherever.

all that said, it is their country and as far as their laws are concerned they can do whatever they want, it's up to "greedy" businesses to not do business with them. As that's unlikely to happen anytime soon, companies just need to be quiet and put up with China's laws.

Every country is that way. They all believe their laws matter and no one elses does. And guess what? That is the way laws work. The only laws that matter is the law of the nation you are in.

The same is true for patents buddy. There is NO such thing as an International Patent. Patents are recognized in the country they are granted. So a US patent only means anything in the US. Some countries have signed patent agreements to allow their patents to be valid in other countries, but those aer voluntary agreements done between individual nations. So China has NO duty to accept US Patents as much as we don't have to take theirs.

So if you are sick of each country having their own laws and them being sovereign then you need to get the groundwork in place to put in some other law that is above nations.