Google updates mobile Gmail, neglects Windows Phone

Google has gone ahead and updated the Gmail mobile web interfaces for several smartphones platforms, drawing on the design of the current Gmail iOS application. Google says that they took on board the positive feedback they received after the updated app went live, and so decided to include a similar design in the web apps for iOS, Android, BlackBerry and Kindle Fire.

You might have noticed in that list that Google has neglected Windows Phone, once again, from the updates. Heading to Gmail on a Windows Phone (with IE10 set to mobile mode) serves up a horribly outdated design right from the early 2000s, that looks absolutely nothing like the current (and updated) mobile web design or even any other recent version. Windows Phone users have once again been kept in the cold by Google, seemingly deliberately.

This is just another chapter in the saga of Google vs. Windows Phone, with the search giant continually taking steps to hinder the usability of Google's services on Microsoft's mobile platform. Microsoft recently announced that they would be supporting CardDAV and CalDAV in Windows Phone, but that's only because Google previously pulled the plug on Exchange ActiveSync support, and things aren't looking any nicer between the two tech behemoths.

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I have a free Google Apps account with my own custom domain. I just checked from my iPhone, and I don't have the new updated interface yet. I should get upset and consider switching to something else. *yawn*

What if MS update their OS in a way that only google products run horrible, would google cry out loud and try to sue MS for it? ...

Despite being a fan of Microsoft, I'd criticize them for it. It isn't right when you try to stifle competition by deliberately offering an inferior experience to one platform while giving the same, better, experience on other platforms.

To say the whole article in one sentens: Google thinks Windows Phone is better than Android and need to kill it before it's to late for them.

This is one of the (many) reasons I don't use any Google services....

Studio384 said,
To say the whole article in one sentens: Google thinks Windows Phone is better than Android and need to kill it before it's to late for them.

This is one of the (many) reasons I don't use any Google services....

What if you're an Android fan? You'd see it completely the other way around, because you wouldn't want the Windows Phone to gain more popularity than Android. That said, you prefer the Microsoft solution and avoid Google services, that's perfectly valid. Just understand it's a subjective opinion that others may or may not share.

I guess a lot of people missed the CRAPPY Outlook App MS created for Android before all this started. Its a redid/re colored version of the Crappy Hotmail App. But hey, this is Google and Google is the bad one here. After all, Microsoft would never release apps/programs for the iOS platform and not Android....

I use every platform every day in my job. Each have their strengths and weakness,

a crappy app is not in the same league as actively denying a group of users to access something (mail isn't the only game google plays, read some on the "youtube on wp" theme)

this is not about platforms, this is about competitors fighting - and the methods say a lot; i don't care if a company does some idiot advert (ms, apple, samsung and even google did that) but when users get caught in the crossfire it's time to slap that company on the face

morden said,
a crappy app is not in the same league as actively denying a group of users to access something (mail isn't the only game google plays, read some on the "youtube on wp" theme)

this is not about platforms, this is about competitors fighting - and the methods say a lot; i don't care if a company does some idiot advert (ms, apple, samsung and even google did that) but when users get caught in the crossfire it's time to slap that company on the face

Why not? MS produced a crappy version of its App for Outlook on the Android. They did not produce a new one at all thus denying people who is Outlook on their Androids the new look/features.

Google updated their mobile site but not for WP. WP can still use the mobile site, its just not new and have the same features/look as the other platforms.

So, Outlook can be used on Android...just a dumb down/old version and GMAIL can be used on WP...just a dumbed down/old down version.

We are talking about available/updated apps on Android/WP. The but competitor fight encompass more than just this and is a diff topic all together.

I don't think you really understand the issue here, techbeck. Google is doing their job with other mobile platforms while ostracizing WP users. The updated mobile site for Gmail works properly on iOS, Android, and BlackBerry devices but not on WP7.x/8 devices. Can you see the issue now?

Anaron said,
I don't think you really understand the issue here, techbeck. Google is doing their job with other mobile platforms while ostracizing WP users. The updated mobile site for Gmail works properly on iOS, Android, and BlackBerry devices but not on WP7.x/8 devices. Can you see the issue now?

I see it just fine. But again, there are several Windows Apps that are on other platforms and not Android. So MS is doing the same thing really.

techbeck said,

I see it just fine. But again, there are several Windows Apps that are on other platforms and not Android. So MS is doing the same thing really.

No. App availability is different because apps require resources and time to be made for a specific platform. You can't just slap the Android name on a WP8 app and expect it to work.

If Microsoft were doing the same thing, then they'd offer an inferior mobile site experience for Outlook on Android devices (while giving other platforms a better experience).

Anaron said,
If Microsoft were doing the same thing, then they'd offer an inferior mobile site experience for Outlook on Android devices (while giving other platforms a better experience).

Ever use the Outlook app on Android? Its an inferior experience. Doesnt matter if it is the mobile site, or an app. MS has not updated it just like Google has not updated the mobile site.

techbeck said,

Ever use the Outlook app on Android? Its an inferior experience. Doesnt matter if it is the mobile site, or an app. MS has not updated it just like Google has not updated the mobile site.

I wasn't talking about the Outlook app, I was talking about Outlook.com. I just confirmed that it's virtually identical on iOS, Android, and Windows Phone.

As for the Outlook app for Android, what is it an inferior experience to? I don't think Microsoft even made an Outlook app for iOS. Both iOS and WP have their own email clients that can handle Outlook without any issues. It seems to me that Google only cares about Gmail working properly with the built-in email client for Android.

Just showing that MS isnt very responsive is all. And a lot of people are coming acrossed that MS are saints and can do no wrong. Google is the evil (stupid comment) company here. Some same people who think the Scroogled ads are just great and not misleading.

Fact is, evey company has something that is questionable. To slam one company for something is just silly. Whenever I hear something new like this, I normally just shrug my shoulders and continue on with my day.

That was my whole point.

"Scroogled ads are just great and not misleading" Except that they are. Take a look to what the ads tell you and then try it by yourself, it is true. Hurt, don't it? If this would be misleading, Google can sue Microsoft because of that, but they don't, because it's true. Also, what Google is doing here is just evil. There is a difference between a website and an app. Isn't it logical that Microsofts apps aren't the same quality than those on WP? Google doesn't make them at all, and they even don't allow Microsoft to create them in their place. Making a website works is completly different: just get everything write and don't block an UAS and tada! You got it. If you don't like the Outlook.com app, use the mobile one (which works great on Android devices, you know?) or don't use Outlook at all if it's that bad. Open your eyes: Google started en Microsoft fires back with the Scroogled campaign.

Studio384 said,
"Scroogled ads are just great and not misleading" Except that they are. Take a look to what the ads tell you and then try it by yourself, it is true. Hurt, don't it? If this would be misleading, Google can sue Microsoft because of that, but they don't, because it's true.

So a Google employee's physically sit at a system and sift through everyone's emial. Tell me how that is true and not a complete falsity from MS. A bot looks thru the emails like a bot looks through the subject lines at MS.



Also, what Google is doing here is just evil. There is a difference between a website and an app.

Dont see a big deal since there is a GMAIL app for WP. Why cannot people use that instead of the browser? People like to complain I guess.


Isn't it logical that Microsofts apps aren't the same quality than those on WP?

Then isnt it logical that the mobile site for GMAIL would look better on Android and not WP? Would make this a mute point.


If you don't like the Outlook.com app, use the mobile one (which works great on Android devices, you know?) or don't use Outlook at all if it's that bad.

Then if people dont like the mobile GMAIL site on WP, then they can use the app.


Open your eyes: Google started en Microsoft fires back with the Scroogled campaign.

Please prove this or else it really doesnt mean anything.

techbeck said,

So a Google employee's physically sit at a system and sift through everyone's emial. Tell me how that is true and not a complete falsity from MS. A bot looks thru the emails like a bot looks through the subject lines at MS.

Dont see a big deal since there is a GMAIL app for WP. Why cannot people use that instead of the browser? People like to complain I guess.

Then isnt it logical that the mobile site for GMAIL would look better on Android and not WP? Would make this a mute point.

Then if people dont like the mobile GMAIL site on WP, then they can use the app.

Please prove this or else it really doesnt mean anything.

Do you agree with what Google has done, techbeck? I'm genuinely curious because it seems like you're defending their actions and justifying it as some sort of revenge thing (e.g. "Oh, but Microsoft doesn't give Android users a good experience. Therefore, Google deserves to do whatever they want.") And just so we're clear, I'm talking about the issue brought up in this article. Microsoft isn't deliberately giving Android users an inferior mobile site experience for Outlook. If you visit Outlook.com on an Android, iOS, or WP device, you'll see that it's virtually identical. Microsoft isn't giving Android users an old/unskinned site.

It's stuff like this that makes people dislike Google. And I'm one of them. I used to love using Google's services but a move like this isn't right. The only thing keeping me from abandoning my Gmail account is the sheer number of sites associated with it for logging in.

thealexweb said,
When MS runs a smear campaign every day about Gmail I don't blame Google for thinking "FU Microsoft, we won't help you"

Pretty much. Everyone is ragging on Google while it is ok for MS to produce misleading ads and pretty much say the competition sucks use out product instead. They they label Google as "evil" which personally, calling any company evil is just plane silly.

Bit of a difference between an ad campaign which many people didnt even see and in no way affects users or consumers use of said products vs direct and targeted actions that interfere with the experience of a select user base.

[quote=morden said,
however it worked, people call apple fanboys "isheep" but google guys are far worse[/quote]

Google worse? I can argue you with that but wont. Not the place for it.

Linking my gmail to outlook.com pretty much makes this a non-issue on my WP8 phone. I also have it linked to the stock gmail app from Microsoft, so I don't know what all the fuss is all about. We've recently switched our 2500+ users from gmail to exchange hosting anyway, so it is just for backward compatibility that we need it. Still a dumb move by Google, as they're only attracting requlators with their monopolistic moves, something that Microsoft paid dearly for.

Oh please, they updated the iPhone first and you dont hear Android users bitching and moaning about it.

Just something else to bitch to Google about...enjoy people.

No, it isn't "just something else to bitch" about. From where I'm sitting, it looks like Google is deliberately giving WP users an inferior mobile site experience for Gmail. Can you come up with a good reason why Google would do this? It doesn't make any sense other than to stifle competition.

Anaron said,
No, it isn't "just something else to bitch" about. From where I'm sitting, it looks like Google is deliberately giving WP users an inferior mobile site experience for Gmail. Can you come up with a good reason why Google would do this? It doesn't make any sense other than to stifle competition.

And there are MS apps that are available for other platforms and not available for Android.

techbeck said,

And there are MS apps that are available for other platforms and not available for Android.

You keep mentioning apps when apps are irrelevant. It isn't even a valid argument because it goes both ways. There are apps for Android that aren't available on WP8 and vice versa.

Anaron said,
You keep mentioning apps when apps are irrelevant. It isn't even a valid argument because it goes both ways. There are apps for Android that aren't available on WP8 and vice versa.

I am not talking about apps in general. I am talking about MS apps that are available on other platforms but not Android...or apps that MS has not update on Android. Of course there will be many apps not available from other companies.

Well good luck Google, I will see you around, because I just dropped your crappy e-mail. Never did need it anyways.

interestingly Windows phone does not rely on google mail app..it has it's own mail app which is much better...anyway I have switched to OUTLOOK.com and I enjoy the integration between Skype, FB and outlook

Windows Phone has what, 3, maybe 4% of the global market? It's like Linux - who here cares about Linux?
Why should the OS from Microsoft be treated different? Because it's from Microsoft? It's simple really, there is little or no reason to consider Windows Phone today.

Are you kidding me? You shouldn't buy a smartphone based on popularity. You should buy it based on your needs and wants. If a device has the hardware and software features you're looking for, then you buy it. You don't buy it because 4 out of 5 people you see at school or work has it. The market share for Windows Phone may be low but that's just a comparative figure. Millions of people have WP7.x/WP8 devices and millions more will be buying it. A simple percentage is no reason for Google to stifle competition.

aristofeles said,
Windows Phone has what, 3, maybe 4% of the global market? It's like Linux - who here cares about Linux?
Why should the OS from Microsoft be treated different? Because it's from Microsoft? It's simple really, there is little or no reason to consider Windows Phone today.

We are not talking about apps. This is a HTML5 website. It works just fine on any browser except Google is doing useragent detection and only giving/leaving out some browsers.

Anaron said,
Are you kidding me? You shouldn't buy a smartphone based on popularity. You should buy it based on your needs and wants.

Sadly, that is how a LOT of people buy phones...especially the iPhone. They buy off of popularity and the cool factor. There are many apps and many programs that are for iOS and not on Android. Should everyone be ****ed at all those app manufacturers for not producing an Android app?

But I do buy based on popularity, since it will attend my needs: the more popular, more market share. The biggest market share will have most apps. The one with most apps have a bigger chance to have the apps that I need, not just the popular ones.
And in the end, it's about the apps, not the underlining software or hardware IMO.

techbeck said,

Sadly, that is how a LOT of people buy phones...especially the iPhone. They buy off of popularity and the cool factor. There are many apps and many programs that are for iOS and not on Android. Should everyone be ****ed at all those app manufacturers for not producing an Android app?

I guess the need to "fit in" is very powerful.

aristofeles said,
But I do buy based on popularity, since it will attend my needs: the more popular, more market share. The biggest market share will have most apps. The one with most apps have a bigger chance to have the apps that I need, not just the popular ones.
And in the end, it's about the apps, not the underlining software or hardware IMO.
If that's how you make a buying decision, then you need to reevaluate the way you make such a decision. Not everyone bases their buying decision on the number of apps a platform has. App aren't as important to me as something like hardware specs or a mobile operating system's UI. If I want to use a specific app, it would most likely be something that's available on just about every mobile platform. Even if you care about apps, you should still care more about a phone's hardware. Surely you wouldn't buy it if the battery only lasts an hour or the screen quality is abysmal.

As for your earlier comment, I still don't know why you think it's okay for a company to stifle competition just because the competing OS has low market share. That's ridiculous and it makes it seem like you strongly dislike Windows Phone. Crimson Rain mentioned, above, that this isn't even app we're talking about - it's a mobile site.

Anaron said,

As for your earlier comment, I still don't know why you think it's okay for a company to stifle competition just because the competing OS has low market share. That's ridiculous and it makes it seem like you strongly dislike Windows Phone. Crimson Rain mentioned, above, that this isn't even app we're talking about - it's a mobile site.

don't be cry babies..you already have the guts to use WP just because you love it..why not go all the way by using Outlook,Bing Maps,Bing Search etc.
You want full experience using Gmail & other Google services, then use Android phones.
You want here and there.. well then, expect to have half the experience.. there's always choices

digitheatre said,

don't be cry babies..you already have the guts to use WP just because you love it..why not go all the way by using Outlook,Bing Maps,Bing Search etc.
You want full experience using Gmail & other Google services, then use Android phones.
You want here and there.. well then, expect to have half the experience.. there's always choices

We're not being cry babies. We're simply talking about an issue that shouldn't have come up in the first place. Also, I use Outlook as well as the other features of WP (Bing Search/Maps).

digitheatre said,

don't be cry babies..you already have the guts to use WP just because you love it..why not go all the way by using Outlook,Bing Maps,Bing Search etc.
You want full experience using Gmail & other Google services, then use Android phones.
You want here and there.. well then, expect to have half the experience.. there's always choices


How about you (and every other google trolls) go use chrome OS exclusively? Delete all windows/Linux. While you are at it, get off from this site too cause it is focused on windows/Microsoft.

I linked my Gmail (for domains) email address with the stock WP8 email app am I missing something?

I know the dicks removed activesync, which sucks. btw I'm back on my iPhone until my 8X is repaired.

Theres the whole issue with imap and activesync but I believe they ended up extending it by a few months?

Shame to hear about the 8X in the repair shop, Black 8X is still unscratched and going strong here

Was gonna say - I use GMail on my Windows 7.5 phone no problems.. who the hell would use the web browser on a mobile to access mail when you can do it through a native mail application?!

This just makes google come off as childish dicks, but on the same token I thank them because they are just calling more attention to the WP platform anyway.

microsoft is not scroogled, google mail users are... of course they are not that numerous but that's how google screws their own customers

i don't think the scroogled campaign f_cked even ONE user

i have only one word for these customers: outlook - or basically anything, just not google

I've tried Outlook.com. Among many thing I didn't like (the ugly ads ugh...) here are a couple of points.

1) At the time the lack of ability to use my own mail client. Yes Outlook supports it (with the connector) but that's not what I want...
2) Mail filters can't be easily ported from Gmail to Outlook. Among them I have a filter that forwards specific messages I get to my parents mailbox automatically. There is no such filter on Outlook.com.
3) Nested folders or lack there-of. The last time I looked there wasn't any ability for nested folders.
4) Huge EAS push mail delays. It does show up in webmail right away but the message push via EAS is delayed alot. I tried it on a couple of different apps and had the same issue. On Android I even tried Microsoft's official app with the same results.

This isn't me being a "fanboy". Yes I'll admit I've been a long time user of Gmail. Yes I'm aware of the privacy "concerns". This is real life experience.

Microsoft has made other restrictions I'm not too happy about. They closed off their OS on their phones for one. Last time Firefox tried to develop for Windows Phone (it was version 7 from what I can tell) development got cancelled because they couldn't develop a browser for the platform. This may or may not of changed for WP8 but I have yet to see them try it. They also closed other ARM based OSs under their control. Google doesn't do that. They keep it fairly open (or as open as can be done "safely").

P.S. - As others have mentioned you can just use an email client and setup IMAP. Should work pretty well. Disabling EAS was Google's attempt to push things towards open protocols. EAS is NOT open. I should also mention that EAS is still there but it is only in their business products.

3) On the left panel, you can right-click a folder and select "new subfolder". Not exactly out front, but it's there. To be honest, I hadn't bothered with subfolders/nested folders but just played around to see if it was there and found it that way.
4) Don't experience the same issues. Not sure if it's based on what domain you use, but Hotmail accounts work fine for me.

hin123 said,
I thought HTML5 is supposed to be cross-platform...
ROFL. Welcome to web tech. Netscape, Mozilla, Google, Apple, Microsoft have all been rendering and adding their own options to their rendering engines. I know the world thinks it's just Microsoft. Long story short, use bootstrap/jquery/etc frameworks to abstract out browser differences.

So Microsoft is charged abhorrently horrendous penalties in the EU and forced to advertise what were at the time virtually unknown browsers in an attempt to promote their use due to Microsoft "abusing" their market position, and here's Google actively stifling a mobile platform that is somewhat smaller than their own, that competes in a market that they have a large share of, and is abusing their market position in an attempt to further eradicate its (Windows Phone's) use in what can only be seen as a pathetic plot to potentially dissuade people from using said product, probably onto their own.

Where's the EU on this matter?

Why are you blaming the EU? Microsoft signed something. Microsoft agreed to the terms. Microsoft didn't even fight it. They wrote a big FAT check to the EU. Why are you fighting Microsoft battles? Forgive my ignorance if you have a large stake in the company.

Ideas Man said,
So Microsoft is charged abhorrently horrendous penalties in the EU and forced to advertise what were at the time virtually unknown browsers in an attempt to promote their use due to Microsoft "abusing" their market position, and here's Google actively stifling a mobile platform that is somewhat smaller than their own, that competes in a market that they have a large share of, and is abusing their market position in an attempt to further eradicate its (Windows Phone's) use in what can only be seen as a pathetic plot to potentially dissuade people from using said product, probably onto their own.

Where's the EU on this matter?

You are comparing 2 different issue that have nothing to do with each other. What Google does with their apps and the laws that MS has to abide by in the EU, are different subjects and do not go together.

You missed the fineprint to that statement...'do no evil does not apply to the use google services on non google devices or hardware'

I'd be a rich man every time I read a Microsoft Cheerleader comment on Google with the "Do No Evil" phrase.

1) The correct phrase is "DON'T BE EVIL"
2) This is an informal corporate motto.
3) Google is a company. Is this really considered evil? More evil than Apple or Microsoft?

So Microsoft charging a lot of money for their products is not considered evil? Microsoft not having a Zune app years ago on iOS or Android or OSX devices is not considered evil?

Are you just going along with the crowd of cheerleaders to seem cool? Do you even know what you are saying?

Source: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/ed...4142742/ds1a.htm#toc59330_1

Dutchie64 said,
what ever happened to Google's 'do no evil' motto??

I'd be a rich man every time I read a Microsoft Cheerleader comment on Google with the "Do No Evil" phrase.

1) The correct phrase is "DON'T BE EVIL"
2) This is an informal corporate motto.
3) Google is a company. Is this really considered evil? More evil than Apple or Microsoft?

Besides iTunes, Apple doesn't do anything for Android, Windows, or Windows Phone. Is this "Evil"?

So Microsoft charging a lot of money for their products is not considered evil? Microsoft not having a Zune app years ago on iOS or Android or OSX devices is not considered evil? Why doesn't Microsoft develop Office for Linux? (Answer this one correctly and you got your answer on why Windows Phone gets neglected by Google.)

Are you just going along with the crowd of cheerleaders to seem cool? Do you even know what you are saying?

Source: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/ed...4142742/ds1a.htm#toc59330_1

This is a pathetic move from Google. I've been using Google's services for years now and having recently upgraded to the HTC 8S (a WP8 device), I am disgusted. This looks like a deliberate anti-competitive move to make WP8 a less desirable platform for Gmail.

1Pixel said,
Just get all your email forwarded to Outlook.com, i did this ages ago, it's so much better.
You know, that's actually a very good idea. I don't know why I never thought of it. And I don't mean to sound sarcastic at all. The only thing keeping me from moving to Outlook completely is my Gmail account. I've used it as a "professional" email account for years. Thanks for the suggestion!

bulky_brownie said,
you don't need to get upset on this..use the mail app in WP8 much better
The email app in WP8 is very nice but I like to have options.

Anaron said,
You know, that's actually a very good idea. I don't know why I never thought of it. And I don't mean to sound sarcastic at all. The only thing keeping me from moving to Outlook completely is my Gmail account. I've used it as a "professional" email account for years. Thanks for the suggestion!

The email app in WP8 is very nice but I like to have options.

I've consolidated all of my older e-mails to a single Live Domains account (custom domained outlook.com account).

Anaron said,
This is a pathetic move from Google. I've been using Google's services for years now and having recently upgraded to the HTC 8S (a WP8 device), I am disgusted. This looks like a deliberate anti-competitive move to make WP8 a less desirable platform for Gmail.

Obviously. Why should Google do anything different? If Google thought it was in their best interests, they'd do the same to other smartphone platforms too. In a heartbeat.

The good news is there are a ZILLION alternative options. Like outlook.com or the hundreds of other free mail options out there. Or go buy a $10/year custom domain name, get cheap web/email hosting account, and run your own email server. Etc...

It's fair to feel disgusted by what Google did and take action, and you have options. I just don't get how this surprises anybody. It's called business. All major corporations play the game and skirt the line between legal competitive behavior and illegal anti-competitive behavior. I hate it as much as the next guy, but I'm past getting too worked up over it. Life's too short to stress about crap like this.

Are you suggesting that Microsoft is scroogling it's customers by running a meaningless campaign? That the only real people suffering are Microsoft's own?

Ezekiel Carsella said,
PLEASE MICROSOFT STOP THE SCROOGLED CAMPAIGN IT IS A FAILURE

Woof, someone call the caps lock police stat!

tanjiajun_34 said,
Someone change their user agent on WP8 and prove to them?

The new gmail mobile theme/site works just fine on IE10 if you change useragent. So yes, **** you google.

Then again, I moved to outlook.

I guess google sees windows phone as a possible threat. Sad that they do these things and the world still blames Microsoft for being the unfair behemoth.

You don't see Microsoft making a version of Office for Android do you? These companies routinely withhold their products from competitors. Standard operating protocol in business.

LogicalApex said,
You don't see Microsoft making a version of Office for Android do you? These companies routinely withhold their products from competitors. Standard operating protocol in business.
Just so we're clear. You're comparing a web page and the Microsoft Office Suite? You, sir, are a thinker.

Invizibleyez said,
I guess google sees windows phone as a possible threat.

Of course they do. It's called "business" and "competition." Far easier to squash the competition when they're still small and insignificant.

i think the point he was making was that Gmail's new web interface (aka accessible in any browser) is purposefully being blocked for Windows Phone users.

What reason is that - the lack of imap? I don't use a windows phone but I'm sure there's an app that lets you connect through imap, set it up to connect to your gmail. Try doing that with outlook.com ...

NyaR said,
What reason is that - the lack of imap? I don't use a windows phone but I'm sure there's an app that lets you connect through imap, set it up to connect to your gmail. Try doing that with outlook.com ...

Please don't get me started on IMAP. IMAP aside where is my push email? Ohh it's CLOSED propriety, only Google have access to that so they can lock out devices like Windows Phones. There is no way to get push email from Gmail without a Google made app, so yes there are apps that let you connect through IMAP but it is not the same experience, hence why I use outlook.com

Try doing that with outlook.com ...

EAS is pretty much the defacto standard for email, contact and calendar synchronization. Pretty much every decent modern device and client supports it so yes I would love to try doing it because it would be incredibly simple.

ingramator said,
And this my friends is one of many reasons why I switched to Outlook.com

Microsoft Scroogles google? Well good luck sellin Windows Phones without proper Youtube and Gmail.

Corporations are evil my friend Microsoft is no less than Google.

NyaR said,
What reason is that - the lack of imap? I don't use a windows phone but I'm sure there's an app that lets you connect through imap, set it up to connect to your gmail. Try doing that with outlook.com ...

IMAP? This isn't the 1990's you know. Theres apps for WP that support the vastly superior EAS, so why the hell would you want to use IMAP! CardDAV and CalDAV are attempts to compete with EAS and they still aren't as good.

ingramator said,

Please don't get me started on IMAP. IMAP aside where is my push email? Ohh it's CLOSED propriety, only Google have access to that so they can lock out devices like Windows Phones. There is no way to get push email from Gmail without a Google made app, so yes there are apps that let you connect through IMAP but it is not the same experience, hence why I use outlook.com


EAS is pretty much the defacto standard for email, contact and calendar synchronization. Pretty much every decent modern device and client supports it so yes I would love to try doing it because it would be incredibly simple.

You can't use Push email using the stock mail app? .... oh wait.. it doesn't support IMAP does it?

1Pixel said,

IMAP? This isn't the 1990's you know. Theres apps for WP that support the vastly superior EAS, so why the hell would you want to use IMAP! CardDAV and CalDAV are attempts to compete with EAS and they still aren't as good.


Hurr durr bbbbuut it's open standardz?????? Derp

ingramator said,

There is no way to get push email from Gmail without a Google made app

Google has always had it like that....before this BS with MS.

NyaR said,
What reason is that - the lack of imap? I don't use a windows phone but I'm sure there's an app that lets you connect through imap, set it up to connect to your gmail. Try doing that with outlook.com ...
IMAP FTW!!!!111!11

Crimson Rain said,
IMAP supports push?
Most people don't understand IMAP, that could be because they don't know the facts, or they don't know the RFC for it is horrible and prone to bad implementations with incompatible clients and servers.

I tried Outlook.com. It is plagued by a huge delay in mail delivery via EAS. Trust me I tried it. Gmail is instant (on multiple platforms) where EAS had huge delays (on multiple platforms again...). The exception is webmail.

Oh and Microsoft has a bad habit of blocking out domains a bit prematurely.

onionjuice said,
yes it does
I'm awaiting a link to the RFC for this. All they provide is a way to hit the server and run a command for the number of new messages in a folder.

You do realize Push is not that right?

I tried Outlook.com. It is plagued by a huge delay in mail delivery via EAS. Trust me I tried it. Gmail is instant (on multiple platforms) where EAS had huge delays (on multiple platforms again...). The exception is webmail.

Not sure what you're talking about I use outlook.com with 2 email addresses (one custom domain, one @outlook.com) and EAS has always been near instantaneous.

1990s what are you talking about? I'd like to connect to my emails with Thunderbird, not through a web interface, and I sure as hell prefer the IMAP functionality of Gmail rather than the pop limitations of Hotmail. You list a bunch of acronyms and dates and make no point.