Google's big October 29th product launches apparently outed

A few days ago, Google sent out invitations to a press event to be held on October 29th in New York City. We noted that this event was happening on the same day as Microsoft's Windows Phone 8 press events in San Francisco and other parts of the world.

Now TheNextWeb.com reports it has information on all of the new product reveals that Google will announce at this October 29th media junket, and quite frankly it sounds pretty impressive, if all of this is true. The story says the information comes from an internal video shown to Google employees.

It's not a surprise to learn that Google is said to be revealing a 32 GB version of its previously released Nexus 7 tablet, made by Asus, at this event. The tablet will be available in both WiFi only and a WiFi/3G version, according to the story. It adds that Google will also reveal a 10 inch tablet, made by Samsung, that has the code name "Manta" but might be called the Nexus 10 when it is actually released.

The Manta will reportedly have a screen resolution of 2560x1600 and 300 PPI, compared to the current iPad which has "just" 264 PPI. The story also reports that Google will reveal the LG Nexus 4 smartphone at the event, with a 4.7 inch 1280x768 display, a quad-core 1.5 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon processor, 2 GB of RAM and more.

Both the Manta tablet and the LG Nexus 4 will reportedly be running on Android 4.2, which among other new features will allow users to access Google Play downloaded content from a widget and a way for one tablet to be shared by several people who can then access their own emails and apps.

Source: TheNextWeb.com | Image via Google

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Very disappointed Google. We don't need another version of Android right now, nor do we need more Nexus devices either! what we need is for Google to put an end to this fragmentation problem. ICS/Jelly Bean are only on a small percentage of devices and even those devices are fragmented (looking at you Samsung) including the so called flagship Google phone the Galaxy Nexus (great phone, love mine...but the fact it's fragmented even on that phone is bad) and they want to throw another version into the mix? I'd much rather Google worked on firing a rocket under the collective arses of the Android OEMs and get them to at least better support their devices with OS updates and stop dragging their heals (looking at you again Samsung). Well that is my rant

Eh... The new version of Android is fine by me, so as long as it bring improvements. And I think the new Nexus phone is great. Personally, I would not get an Android phone that ISNT a Google Nexus device. I am still on my Nexus S 4G and I cant wait for this LG phone, I am certainly going to get it.

This will be totally and rightfully swamped by the W8 tsunami. It's just more of the same boring old stuff from Google. Didn't they used to innovate?

I would have been happier if they said "We'd like to show you how we've made Google Now actually work properly"

FMH said,
The LG Nexus seems a bit underwhelming, after we saw HTC Ja and Oppo's 1080p phones.

honestly, 720p vs 1080p at that size would require you to have the vision of an eagle to tell the difference, or a magnifying glass. why people keep obsession over resolution that no longer affects quality is amazing. instead...how about they just promise to update it

neonspark said,

honestly, 720p vs 1080p at that size would require you to have the vision of an eagle to tell the difference, or a magnifying glass. why people keep obsession over resolution that no longer affects quality is amazing. instead...how about they just promise to update it

True, I agree. But the fact is that Apple actually lied when they said that after 300 ppi, you can't detect individual pixels. It actually over 400 ppi. So iPhone display isn't really "retina" display, it is just a marketing term.

the lg nexus is going to suck hard from the specs. i also do not want to see 4.2 aka key lime pie yet, too soon. i mean jellybean just came out and we don't even have a fully functional cm10 or aokp build yet. i love android but it's too fragmented.

smooth3006 said,
the lg nexus is going to suck hard from the specs. i also do not want to see 4.2 aka key lime pie yet, too soon. i mean jellybean just came out and we don't even have a fully functional cm10 or aokp build yet. i love android but it's too fragmented.
Key Lime pie is Android 5 and it won't be released anytime soon

Felipeus said,
Key Lime pie is Android 5 and it won't be released anytime soon
Is there a link to this or is it just speculation? Remember there was a "name" jump from 4.0 to 4.1.

smooth3006 said,
the lg nexus is going to suck hard from the specs. i also do not want to see 4.2 aka key lime pie yet, too soon. i mean jellybean just came out and we don't even have a fully functional cm10 or aokp build yet. i love android but it's too fragmented.

too fragmented? you mean 50% of the apps won't work in your phone or what? please enlighten me what kind of problem you're having? I'm a noob in android

Google is quicker than most device maker and carriers to update Android...

They should sit on 4.2 for a while longer, perfect it, make it sharp and stable and release it. Not a single version of Android lasted for more than what? 6 month?

TruckWEB said,
Google is quicker than most device maker and carriers to update Android...

They should sit on 4.2 for a while longer, perfect it, make it sharp and stable and release it. Not a single version of Android lasted for more than what? 6 month?

Ah how cute, you pretend like they have ever had a stable release.

Anyone NEVER have a FC screen or their Android need to restarted? Raise your hand, and also show everyone a picture of your Unicorn...

thenetavenger said,

Ah how cute, you pretend like they have ever had a stable release.

Anyone NEVER have a FC screen or their Android need to restarted? Raise your hand, and also show everyone a picture of your Unicorn...

If you're playing that game then maybe you should also ask people about Windows and iOS as well? Oh, and don't forget Windows Mobile.

the tablet looks nice, but at that resolution, it will be a battery hog and perform horribly or be very thick and heavy. Assuming it is even true. More likely it will just be a 1080p tablet.

honestly, the ipad 3 is probably going to out do it no matter what google does and if the price is too high, it will just get murdered by windows 8 tablets which on top of a full tablet experience, also ship with windows 8 which is a full OS.

google's move is one of desperation. they are failing in the tablet space and they know it. once large overpriced tablet won't help fix their issue because at the core, the only reason android is popular is because it is given away with phones. the mass market never buys into android by choice.

neonspark said,
the tablet looks nice, but at that resolution, it will be a battery hog and perform horribly or be very thick and heavy. Assuming it is even true. More likely it will just be a 1080p tablet.

honestly, the ipad 3 is probably going to out do it no matter what google does and if the price is too high, it will just get murdered by windows 8 tablets which on top of a full tablet experience, also ship with windows 8 which is a full OS.

google's move is one of desperation. they are failing in the tablet space and they know it. once large overpriced tablet won't help fix their issue because at the core, the only reason android is popular is because it is given away with phones. the mass market never buys into android by choice.

The mass market never buys into Android by choice- what kind of statement is that to make?

The Samsung Galaxy S3 has sold over 20 million units. I take it that you're saying that none of these people wanted this phone and bought it because they had to?

Livin in a box said,
The mass market never buys into Android by choice- what kind of statement is that to make?

The Samsung Galaxy S3 has sold over 20 million units. I take it that you're saying that none of these people wanted this phone and bought it because they had to?


the mass market buys android the same way they buy windows. they don't. it just comes. this is why android tablets have gone nowhere. because when consumer has a choice, it is not android they want.

this is another android tablet. it will go nowhere.

neonspark said,

the mass market buys android the same way they buy windows. they don't. it just comes. this is why android tablets have gone nowhere. because when consumer has a choice, it is not android they want.

this is another android tablet. it will go nowhere.

Android tablets haven't not gone anywhere- just because Google is preparing a Nexus 10 for those that want a 10" tablet, which is a large number of people, doesn't mean they're desperate. The Nexus 7 has had millions of sales thus far. Of course, it isn't going to outsell the iPad because that has a very strong brand image, one that I don't see any company outdoing in the foreseeable future (including the Microsoft Surface).

Edited by Livin in a box, Oct 21 2012, 7:59pm :

4.2?! Let others get 4.1 at least. Goodness... and in the mean time just perfect 4.2 as much as possible with as many devices possible so the upgrade delays will be no more.

seebaran said,
4.2?! Let others get 4.1 at least. Goodness... and in the mean time just perfect 4.2 as much as possible with as many devices possible so the upgrade delays will be no more.

then why not stick with Nexus brand? I see that the way Google is currently doing is good, let the Android enthusiasts who want to stay on the bleeding edge of Android use Nexus , while other average users just choose whichever hardware they want such as Galaxy lines. They will get extra features anyway by manufacturer, and as average users it doesn't really matter much to them to use the latest Android, they bought device based on what it capable of doing at that time.

I'm happy with my Nexus 7 now - I prefer a 7" screen to be honest, and I think a lot of people do as well. I do know of a number of people though who won't buy a tablet unless it's 10" so it'll be good for them.

My only problem here is Google are releasing Android 4.2 too early. They might be trying to compete with Windows Phone 8, but what they're doing in reality is fragmenting Android devices even more. Some phones haven't even updated yet to Ice Cream Sandwhich (which, granted, isn't entirely Google's fault) but it literally gives them no time to update. Manufacturers who have just released ICS to their devices now are preparing for Jelly Bean which was announced on June 27th, only to learn that the next iteration of the Android system, 4.2, will be releasing in November with the new Nexus device (which at the moment seems very likely).
So just 4 months after Jelly Bean was announced and released to AOSP the next version is released. I'm sorry, but to me it just seems as though Google are contributing to their own downfall (maybe not downfall as such because Android sales will likely keep high no matter what, but it just leaves OEM's leaving many devices behind in updates).

If this Nexus 10 tablet does have a 2560x1600 resolution, it would compete more with other Android tablets than with the iPad and Surface.

Android tablets are mostly 1280x800, with one or two running at 1920x1200.

I have to say, as interested as I am on Surface Pro, I'm also interested in a 10" Nexus tablet if that's the resolution. Of course, like Surface Pro, Nexus 10 would need to have the price price for me.

A340600 said,
If this Nexus 10 tablet does have a 2560x1600 resolution, it would compete more with other Android tablets than with the iPad and Surface.

Android tablets are mostly 1280x800, with one or two running at 1920x1200.

I have to say, as interested as I am on Surface Pro, I'm also interested in a 10" Nexus tablet if that's the resolution. Of course, like Surface Pro, Nexus 10 would need to have the price price for me.

if this tablet can't lowball this by at least 200 dollars,
http://www.samsung.com/us/comp...et-pcs/XE500T1C-A01US-specs
it is going to go nowhere. and even then for a retina display, it will not be 650 dollars unless google eats the loss.

A340600 said,
If this Nexus 10 tablet does have a 2560x1600 resolution, it would compete more with other Android tablets than with the iPad and Surface.

Android tablets are mostly 1280x800, with one or two running at 1920x1200.

I have to say, as interested as I am on Surface Pro, I'm also interested in a 10" Nexus tablet if that's the resolution. Of course, like Surface Pro, Nexus 10 would need to have the price price for me.

My first thoughts on the Resolution is how much slower the horrible, and poorly accelerated Android UI would be at these resolutions. This resolution is hard for the iPad, and it has far more GPU based UI acceleration than Android.

(Neither iOS or Android have a fully accelerated GUI like Windows RT or Windows Phone 8. In perspective, even OS X doesn't have as robust of a Video composer and rendering system as Windows RT or Windows 8.)

When you can still see the UI crawl on an Android device that is 850x480, and how it progressively gets worse as the resolution gains, the 2K resolution sounds painful.

(Users would be better off running Bluestacks on a Windows 8 Pro tablet. As they can at least start using the Windows versions of the Apps and not be watching the screen paint.)

thenetavenger said,

My first thoughts on the Resolution is how much slower the horrible, and poorly accelerated Android UI would be at these resolutions. This resolution is hard for the iPad, and it has far more GPU based UI acceleration than Android.

(Users would be better off running Bluestacks on a Windows 8 Pro tablet. As they can at least start using the Windows versions of the Apps and not be watching the screen paint.)

What about Project Butter? From what I've seen, it makes Android, specially Jelly Bean, run smoothly.

(Yeah I've thought about installing Bluestacks on my Windpws 8 tablet. Angry Birds Space will be available in the Windows Store, but it will be nice to run apps not (yet) available in Windows 8.)

I'm finally interested in an android tablet, IF it has 10" screen and priced under $450 and must include SD expansion, otherwise I'm probably going for true w8 that you can remove the screen from and use as a tablet...I figure if I'm going to pay through the nose, may as well be able to run all my crap on it.

I considered that one, almost picked one up, but still felt it needed some refinement and that the price was a little too high for what you got. I'm glad I waited, next couple of months are going to deliver some great stuff.

The Transformer is usually sold as a tablet plus dock bundle in UK working on the premise that you'll probably want the dock anyway, plus it will cost more if you get them separately. You can get just the tablet if you're positive you won't want the dock at a later date.

InsaneNutter said,
Android tablets have been capable of that for well over a year, the ASUS transformer prime does all that perfectly! - http://www.amazon.com/Transfor...ords=asus+transformer+prime

Looks like you have to buy the keyboard dock separate in the US, came as standard in the UK.

lol android tablets can't run x86 ware. which is epic fail and why they don't sell. the transformer from asus sold as well as the KIN. and this kills it 10X
http://www.samsung.com/us/comp...et-pcs/XE500T1C-A01US-specs

neonspark said,

lol android tablets can't run x86 ware. which is epic fail and why they don't sell. the transformer from asus sold as well as the KIN. and this kills it 10X
http://www.samsung.com/us/comp...et-pcs/XE500T1C-A01US-specs

LOL, no. That comment is epic fail. Android tablets sell just fine, they currently have somewhere between 28% and 31% market share... Source: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...blet-systems-215958496.html

Considering they got into the game after Apple, that isn't half bad. The market share is rising steadily as well.

While it would be nice if Android could run x86 stuff (which I don't understand why you think it would be able to), its been around for a while now and has plenty of apps to keep most people happy.

I played with my first Android back in summer. A work colleague bought I believe a Nexus smartphone abroad. The screen in gorgeous and its fast and fluid, great camera. No doubt, Android is a worthy competitor. Microsoft needs to create tiers, premium and standard devices and flood the market with it. Just try and get the thing in as many hands as possible. They are probably doing that, but to be honest with you, I have not seen one single Windows Phone device since it launched in person. Thats telling.

Mr. Dee said,
I played with my first Android back in summer. A work colleague bought I believe a Nexus smartphone abroad. The screen in gorgeous and its fast and fluid, great camera. No doubt, Android is a worthy competitor. Microsoft needs to create tiers, premium and standard devices and flood the market with it. Just try and get the thing in as many hands as possible. They are probably doing that, but to be honest with you, I have not seen one single Windows Phone device since it launched in person. Thats telling.

and there was an article that the average american only has 500USD in savings. Yet MS makes the surface lowest end that price and then some for shipping, thus making it out of most people's reach (can't spend all that 500 at once you gotta have extra for food or whatnot). They could have tapped into more marketshare if they kept the RT version at the universal sweet spot of 250-300USD. Most people would not have to think so hard and make it a hard decision to buy it and they would feel better about it. Also it would not only put a dent in ipad sales, it would do the same for android sales as well!

Mr. Dee said,
The screen in gorgeous and its fast and fluid, great camera. No doubt, Android is a worthy competitor.

Those are hardware features, not Android features. Dude.

Mr. Dee said,
I played with my first Android back in summer. A work colleague bought I believe a Nexus smartphone abroad. The screen in gorgeous and its fast and fluid, great camera. No doubt, Android is a worthy competitor. Microsoft needs to create tiers, premium and standard devices and flood the market with it. Just try and get the thing in as many hands as possible. They are probably doing that, but to be honest with you, I have not seen one single Windows Phone device since it launched in person. Thats telling.

android is fluid for 1 day. then you install apps

remixedcat said,

and there was an article that the average american only has 500USD in savings. Yet MS makes the surface lowest end that price and then some for shipping, thus making it out of most people's reach (can't spend all that 500 at once you gotta have extra for food or whatnot). They could have tapped into more marketshare if they kept the RT version at the universal sweet spot of 250-300USD. Most people would not have to think so hard and make it a hard decision to buy it and they would feel better about it. Also it would not only put a dent in ipad sales, it would do the same for android sales as well!

Yep, I have to wait until November to be able to get a Surface, by then I'll be lucky to have it in hands by Christmas. Probably will be getting a OEM tablet even though I don't like any of them as much as Surface.

Here is a simple truth according to rumours (at this stage they are nothing more)

Windows RT is just like ios and android ( I have a nexus 7 & a Droid RAZR) ,BS OS that can only use WINDOWS APP STORE apps, nothing more!!!

Surface Pro (Win 8 Pro) is the mac daddy of them both and can run x86/x64 apps alongside normal ones however sunshine:

if its going to cost the same as an ultra-book!! (minimum £800 for a good one in the UK) then are you kidding me??? They don't excite you!!

You think Apple or Microsoft will ever release something that's what the CONSUMER WANTS, no they will release something that gets them the most money!!! I don't see Microsoft entering into the world with the defying move of making tablets <£250 like some companies do so stop backing something that hasn't even come out or been tested because for all you know, BEING WINDOWS, it could be a lot worse.

IF Microsoft likes the customers so much to reduce the devices cost (appealing to higher percentage of people, (its called affording)) then maybe but they can with this sensibly target businesses and you'd imagine what business wont spend £300 per Surface Pro as compared to £900 or £1000.

Summing this up,: of course Android has its faults, however faster spec'd devices allows running of more sophisticated software (natural order of IT) so if they get all the phones future proofed then what's the harm??? better yet how would you like it when Microsoft may announce (again)
"oh well our previous hardware was all BS so your devices are redundant and wont get the upgrade, thank you very much"

Think about it

jakem1 said,
Android phones aren't future proof for one simple reason. They never receive updates.

Think about it.

WHAT? Did you ever own an Android phone? Samsung is updating the S3 to Jelly Beans... Nexus users where also updated...

jakem1 said,
Android phones aren't future proof for one simple reason. They never receive updates.

Think about it.

Nothing is "future proof". Apple cuts out features for devices they are still selling (ie., iPad2 and no Siri). Microsoft didn't release Win8, but only 7.8 for devices they just got done releasing.

My phone is still running Andriod 2.3.4, and guess what? It still works and does everything I need it to.

Every device will fall off the update bandwagon at some point. Android maybe faster than other, but do they become less functional? Not really. You don't buy a phone hoping you get a feature down the road. You buy a phone for what it can do now.

Shahrad said,
Here is a simple truth according to rumours (at this stage they are nothing more)

Windows RT is just like ios and android ( I have a nexus 7 & a Droid RAZR) ,BS OS that can only use WINDOWS APP STORE apps, nothing more!!!

Surface Pro (Win 8 Pro) is the mac daddy of them both and can run x86/x64 apps alongside normal ones however sunshine:

if its going to cost the same as an ultra-book!! (minimum £800 for a good one in the UK) then are you kidding me??? They don't excite you!!

You think Apple or Microsoft will ever release something that's what the CONSUMER WANTS, no they will release something that gets them the most money!!! I don't see Microsoft entering into the world with the defying move of making tablets <£250 like some companies do so stop backing something that hasn't even come out or been tested because for all you know, BEING WINDOWS, it could be a lot worse.

IF Microsoft likes the customers so much to reduce the devices cost (appealing to higher percentage of people, (its called affording)) then maybe but they can with this sensibly target businesses and you'd imagine what business wont spend £300 per Surface Pro as compared to £900 or £1000.

Summing this up,: of course Android has its faults, however faster spec'd devices allows running of more sophisticated software (natural order of IT) so if they get all the phones future proofed then what's the harm??? better yet how would you like it when Microsoft may announce (again)
"oh well our previous hardware was all BS so your devices are redundant and wont get the upgrade, thank you very much"

Think about it


so you're saying Windows RT is just like iOS and Android, but only Windows RT is BS? makes sense.

Those x86 tablets running Windows 8 are PC's. They ARE ultrabooks. If people see the value in it the same way they're paying for those ultrabooks now, then x86 tablets will take flight.

I don't understand why you say "BEING WINDOWS", it could be worse. That's just being biased. Windows is just fine.

You want future proof android devices? Ask google to come up with a proper upgrading mechanism. There is no point in making devices with higher specs. Windows Phone outdoes Android's performance by a gazillion times on much lower-end hardware. Plus, Windows RT, Windows 8, and Windows Phone all have proper upgrade mechanisms in-place, and they all do get updates and fixed as needed.

Shahrad said,
Here is a simple truth according to rumours (at this stage they are nothing more)

Windows RT is just like ios and android ( I have a nexus 7 & a Droid RAZR) ,BS OS that can only use WINDOWS APP STORE apps, nothing more!!!

Surface Pro (Win 8 Pro) is the mac daddy of them both and can run x86/x64 apps alongside normal ones however sunshine:

if its going to cost the same as an ultra-book!! (minimum £800 for a good one in the UK) then are you kidding me??? They don't excite you!!

You think Apple or Microsoft will ever release something that's what the CONSUMER WANTS, no they will release something that gets them the most money!!! I don't see Microsoft entering into the world with the defying move of making tablets <£250 like some companies do so stop backing something that hasn't even come out or been tested because for all you know, BEING WINDOWS, it could be a lot worse.

IF Microsoft likes the customers so much to reduce the devices cost (appealing to higher percentage of people, (its called affording)) then maybe but they can with this sensibly target businesses and you'd imagine what business wont spend £300 per Surface Pro as compared to £900 or £1000.

Summing this up,: of course Android has its faults, however faster spec'd devices allows running of more sophisticated software (natural order of IT) so if they get all the phones future proofed then what's the harm??? better yet how would you like it when Microsoft may announce (again)
"oh well our previous hardware was all BS so your devices are redundant and wont get the upgrade, thank you very much"

Think about it

the Samsung ativ 500 tablet is 650 dollars and runs x86 apps. if google can't match that price significantly, they will have not story since at that price the ipad is a better purchase, as well as the windows 8 device.

Shahrad said,
Here is a simple truth according to rumours (at this stage they are nothing more)

Windows RT is just like ios and android ( I have a nexus 7 & a Droid RAZR) ,BS OS that can only use WINDOWS APP STORE apps, nothing more!!!

Surface Pro (Win 8 Pro) is the mac daddy of them both and can run x86/x64 apps alongside normal ones however sunshine:

if its going to cost the same as an ultra-book!! (minimum £800 for a good one in the UK) then are you kidding me??? They don't excite you!!

You think Apple or Microsoft will ever release something that's what the CONSUMER WANTS, no they will release something that gets them the most money!!! I don't see Microsoft entering into the world with the defying move of making tablets <£250 like some companies do so stop backing something that hasn't even come out or been tested because for all you know, BEING WINDOWS, it could be a lot worse.

IF Microsoft likes the customers so much to reduce the devices cost (appealing to higher percentage of people, (its called affording)) then maybe but they can with this sensibly target businesses and you'd imagine what business wont spend £300 per Surface Pro as compared to £900 or £1000.

Summing this up,: of course Android has its faults, however faster spec'd devices allows running of more sophisticated software (natural order of IT) so if they get all the phones future proofed then what's the harm??? better yet how would you like it when Microsoft may announce (again)
"oh well our previous hardware was all BS so your devices are redundant and wont get the upgrade, thank you very much"

Think about it

Being a real aka 'full' OS has nothing to do with the 'constraint' of it being limited to Apps from the Windows App store.

The 'App' store limitation is irrelevant, yet makes things easier for consumers and also makes things easier for developers as they can develop one variation of their product and address x86/x64/ARM at the same time seamlessly.

Go buy "Windows Internals" 6th edition Part 1 & 2, everything APPLIES to Windows RT, because it is the full Windows NT OS. It is not a watered down mobile OS that is using reconstructed APIs like iOS does to mimic OS X or Android that does turn on or use many of the features of its Linux kernel, as Memory and processes are all handled by the Dalvik JVM. It also isn't limited to Open GL ES and other crap mobile frameworks.

It is Windows...

For example, Mutli-Users can login to the device, naturally, it isn't a kludge feature added on, like the upcoming announcement for Android.

It also has the full networking stack, audio stack, video stack, and complete Windows frameworks. This means it can output audio at a higher quality than OS X or Linux, let alone Android or iOS. It can also deal with >8bpp color, something that OS X and Linux cannot do, let alone Android and iOS. It has a printing subsystem, because it is the 'full' version of Windows, just running on ARM.

And on and on and...

This OS that you seem to think is limited, is the same NT kernel and same Windows subsystem, and same technologies running on the x86/x64 versions, and is the same OS that is running on Desktop and Servers, with only a few MINOR code changes where machine code is used in the NT Kernel, and just to adjust for ARM, where the HAL does the rest of the work.

So if a Server class OS architecture is nothing more than iOS or Android to you, then you really don't have a Frakkin Clue.

thenetavenger said,

Being a real aka 'full' OS has nothing to do with the 'constraint' of it being limited to Apps from the Windows App store.

The 'App' store limitation is irrelevant, yet makes things easier for consumers and also makes things easier for developers as they can develop one variation of their product and address x86/x64/ARM at the same time seamlessly.

Go buy "Windows Internals" 6th edition Part 1 & 2, everything APPLIES to Windows RT, because it is the full Windows NT OS. It is not a watered down mobile OS that is using reconstructed APIs like iOS does to mimic OS X or Android that does turn on or use many of the features of its Linux kernel, as Memory and processes are all handled by the Dalvik JVM. It also isn't limited to Open GL ES and other crap mobile frameworks.

It is Windows...

For example, Mutli-Users can login to the device, naturally, it isn't a kludge feature added on, like the upcoming announcement for Android.

It also has the full networking stack, audio stack, video stack, and complete Windows frameworks. This means it can output audio at a higher quality than OS X or Linux, let alone Android or iOS. It can also deal with >8bpp color, something that OS X and Linux cannot do, let alone Android and iOS. It has a printing subsystem, because it is the 'full' version of Windows, just running on ARM.

And on and on and...

This OS that you seem to think is limited, is the same NT kernel and same Windows subsystem, and same technologies running on the x86/x64 versions, and is the same OS that is running on Desktop and Servers, with only a few MINOR code changes where machine code is used in the NT Kernel, and just to adjust for ARM, where the HAL does the rest of the work.

So if a Server class OS architecture is nothing more than iOS or Android to you, then you really don't have a Frakkin Clue.

Well said!!!

Most people think that because Windows RT is build for ARM, it must be the same as Android or iOS.

YOU ARE WRONG.

Its the same as the x86/x64 Windows!! Its just based on ARM.
I dont need to get into details. Thenetavenger covered me completely.

Learn before posting about something!!

I'm excited for this. I'm planning on getting my first Android and at this point its between the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4.

I was pretty interested in getting an android device early in the year, but I'm just not interested anymore in the slightest due to windows 8/surface.

If true, this is a pretty poor attempt to disrupt the Windows Phone 8 launch that's happening on the other side of the country on the same day.

jakem1 said,
If true, this is a pretty poor attempt to disrupt the Windows Phone 8 launch that's happening on the other side of the country on the same day.

Wait for the price of the Nexus 10 tablet... That should disrupt things...

TruckWEB said,

Wait for the price of the Nexus 10 tablet... That should disrupt things...

Unless the tablet is a pc os then it wont disrupt anything. It will be just another tablet BestBuy will have to move over by the appliances to make room for the real tablets with windows 8.

TruckWEB said,

Wait for the price of the Nexus 10 tablet... That should disrupt things...


android tablets haven't done well. with the ipad mini in the small end, and windows 8 flood in the high end, the nexus 10 is dead on arrival. it has no story. It is just yet another android tablet.

neonspark said,

android tablets haven't done well. with the ipad mini in the small end, and windows 8 flood in the high end, the nexus 10 is dead on arrival. it has no story. It is just yet another android tablet.
I think Android tablets doing quite well. Market share of 52% isn't that bad. This tablet should have exynos 5 CPU with Cortex-A15 which comes with usb 3.0 support. Let's wait and see what it's realy offer.

mrdeezus said,

Unless the tablet is a pc os then it wont disrupt anything. It will be just another tablet BestBuy will have to move over by the appliances to make room for the real tablets with windows 8.

You do realize Windows 8 is gonna capture a few percentage points of the tablet market at best, Windows RT will make up the bulk of Microsoft's market share. Thinking anything else is pretty delusional.

neonspark said,

android tablets haven't done well. with the ipad mini in the small end, and windows 8 flood in the high end, the nexus 10 is dead on arrival. it has no story. It is just yet another android tablet.

latest news Android tablet was 52% of all tablet...

So all they're announcing are more Nexus devices with the newest version of Android and bumped up specs? I'm not impressed at all. In fact, higher specs and new Android versions do not impress me anymore. At all. Same goes for iOS and Apple's devices.

FalseAgent said,
So all they're announcing are more Nexus devices with the newest version of Android and bumped up specs? I'm not impressed at all. In fact, higher specs and new Android versions do not impress me anymore. At all. Same goes for iOS and Apple's devices.
What would have impressed you exactly?
I mean we haven't heard the announcement, so take the leaked info with a grain of salt... but still, what *would* impress you?

cybertimber2008 said,
What would have impressed you exactly?
I mean we haven't heard the announcement, so take the leaked info with a grain of salt... but still, what *would* impress you?

I dunno, a few hat tricks like what we saw at the MS Surface announcement would be nice. A little more philosophy in an Android product, perhaps? Or even an update on the Android @ home initiative? A better developer environment? Hell, even more investment in Google Play or strengthening Android would be welcome, because the Android brand has already been overshadowed by Samsung's Galaxy brand.

Unfortunately, I can't help but to think the new devices are going to be a very generic thing. The same old thing about "openness" and "choice" blahblahblah.

Things like project butter does not count. Project butter is basically Google admitting that Android's user interface was laggy, and fixing something that should have been made right since day 1.

Google's time in the tablet space is coming to an end quick. Google is hoping for more tablet-specific apps, but Microsoft is betting their whole cash cow on it. Android tablets really pales in comparison to the Surface. And the Surface is only the first Windows 8/RT device.

Edited by FalseAgent, Oct 21 2012, 5:25pm :

cybertimber2008 said,
What would have impressed you exactly?
I mean we haven't heard the announcement, so take the leaked info with a grain of salt... but still, what *would* impress you?

Hmm what would impress me
I think it would impress me if they showed a android robot that sayed "shutup ****" when somebody started talking about his apple stuff

I would definitely buy one for in my room ^^

FalseAgent said,

I dunno, a few hat tricks like what we saw at the MS Surface announcement would be nice. A little more philosophy in an Android product, perhaps? Or even an update on the Android @ home initiative? A better developer environment? Hell, even more investment in Google Play or strengthening Android would be welcome, because the Android brand has already been overshadowed by Samsung's Galaxy brand.

Unfortunately, I can't help but to think the new devices are going to be a very generic thing. The same old thing about "openness" and "choice" blahblahblah.

Things like project butter does not count. Project butter is basically Google admitting that Android's user interface was laggy, and fixing something that should have been made right since day 1.

Google's time in the tablet space is coming to an end quick. Google is hoping for more tablet-specific apps, but Microsoft is betting their whole cash cow on it. Android tablets really pales in comparison to the Surface. And the Surface is only the first Windows 8/RT device.

I agree somewhat. Google having a failing ecosystem and standard design problem. The best hardware doesn't solve this. They can paper over the cracks as much as they want but won't change the fact you've got some Frankenstein's Monster in your pocket.

Google are throwing everything at the wall and hoping enough sticks. The end will see the wall falling down. There will be no solid base to work from. People will leave for greener pastures and may never come back.

FalseAgent said,

I dunno, a few hat tricks like what we saw at the MS Surface announcement would be nice. A little more philosophy in an Android product, perhaps? Or even an update on the Android @ home initiative? A better developer environment? Hell, even more investment in Google Play or strengthening Android would be welcome, because the Android brand has already been overshadowed by Samsung's Galaxy brand.

Unfortunately, I can't help but to think the new devices are going to be a very generic thing. The same old thing about "openness" and "choice" blahblahblah.

Things like project butter does not count. Project butter is basically Google admitting that Android's user interface was laggy, and fixing something that should have been made right since day 1.

Google's time in the tablet space is coming to an end quick. Google is hoping for more tablet-specific apps, but Microsoft is betting their whole cash cow on it. Android tablets really pales in comparison to the Surface. And the Surface is only the first Windows 8/RT device.

Google IO is what you are looking for then

FalseAgent said,

I dunno, a few hat tricks like what we saw at the MS Surface announcement would be nice. A little more philosophy in an Android product, perhaps? Or even an update on the Android @ home initiative? A better developer environment? Hell, even more investment in Google Play or strengthening Android would be welcome, because the Android brand has already been overshadowed by Samsung's Galaxy brand.

Unfortunately, I can't help but to think the new devices are going to be a very generic thing. The same old thing about "openness" and "choice" blahblahblah.

Things like project butter does not count. Project butter is basically Google admitting that Android's user interface was laggy, and fixing something that should have been made right since day 1.

Google's time in the tablet space is coming to an end quick. Google is hoping for more tablet-specific apps, but Microsoft is betting their whole cash cow on it. Android tablets really pales in comparison to the Surface. And the Surface is only the first Windows 8/RT device.

Come on dude... The Galaxy brand overshadowing Android... Don't be silly. It definitely overshadows the Nexus brand, but definitely not even close to overshadowing Android.

Also, I know I will probably attacked from every angle for saying this here, but you sound like a an MS fanboy. Nothing that's done with Android or iOS impresses you at all, but MS can do no wrong.

You say things like"So all they're announcing are more Nexus devices with the newest version of Android and bumped up specs?" Completely glossing over the important features that are being added such as multi-user support, which is a big deal, especially for tablets (which happens to be something that neither iOS nor Windows phone 8 has).

I personally really like both Android and Windows Phone 8 / Windows 8/RT but I'm gonna stick with Android for my next phone because it has a more mature ecosystem and far more apps. I am seriously considering getting a Surface Pro though as I haven't been particularly impressed with any of the android tablets so far and would like a full OS on my tablet.

M4x1mus said,
Completely glossing over the important features that are being added such as multi-user support, which is a big deal, especially for tablets (which happens to be something that neither iOS nor Windows phone 8 has).

Wat. WP8 isn't a tablet OS. Windows 8 does support multiple users.

FalseAgent said,
I'm not impressed at all. In fact, higher specs and new Android versions do not impress me anymore. At all. Same goes for iOS and Apple devices.

As opposed to what, Microsoft announcing that NONE of the current phones will be able to run WP8?

M4x1mus said,

Come on dude... The Galaxy brand overshadowing Android... Don't be silly. It definitely overshadows the Nexus brand, but definitely not even close to overshadowing Android.


For you and many of us maybe. For the average Joe, android = galaxy and galaxy = android.
People don't care and Samsung is totally overshadowing Android as a product name everywhere.

Also, I know I will probably attacked from every angle for saying this here, but you sound like a an MS fanboy. Nothing that's done with Android or iOS impresses you at all, but MS can do no wrong.

You say things like"So all they're announcing are more Nexus devices with the newest version of Android and bumped up specs?" Completely glossing over the important features that are being added such as multi-user support, which is a big deal, especially for tablets (which happens to be something that neither iOS nor Windows phone 8 has).


You're comparing a smartphone only device with a tablet? WinRT has better multi-user where iOS and Android can only dream off. Or tell me, can they join domains, have GP etc? Or at least something similar?
And nothing new? Indeed what is new to Android recently? Performance upgrades and more? Ok great. So new features? barely. Nokia is brining allot of new **** to the game. Part comes from WP8 and parts from the hardware.
I currently know no phone that comes close to the Lumia 920.

I personally really like both Android and Windows Phone 8 / Windows 8/RT but I'm gonna stick with Android for my next phone because it has a more mature ecosystem and far more apps. I am seriously considering getting a Surface Pro though as I haven't been particularly impressed with any of the android tablets so far and would like a full OS on my tablet.


A much mature ecosystem? really dude?
With WP8, the NT ecosystem is partially brought to smartphones, and even it being partially... its still far stronger then the android platform. Even Jellybean needs double the specs for the same smoothness in use alone already.... how is that for a mature OS?

Fred 69 said,

Wat. WP8 isn't a tablet OS. Windows 8 does support multiple users.

Yup, Windows 8 / RT does support multiple users. Where exactly did I state that it didn't.. or that WP8 is a tablet OS for that matter? Since Android 4.2 is both a tablet and phone OS I can compare it to WP8, iOS and Windows RT.

Shadowzz said,

For you and many of us maybe. For the average Joe, android = galaxy and galaxy = android. People don't care and Samsung is totally overshadowing Android as a product name everywhere.

You can say this as much as you like but that doesn't make it true. Many more people have heard of Android than Galaxy. I've been able to say Android to almost anyone and have them know what I'm talking about for years. There are still MANY people that I could talk about a Galaxy phone to and they would have no idea what I was talking about.

Shadowzz said,

You're comparing a smartphone only device with a tablet? WinRT has better multi-user where iOS and Android can only dream off. Or tell me, can they join domains, have GP etc? Or at least something similar?

No... No I wasn't. You are comparing a full PC OS that has just been made available on very expensive (compared to Android tabs) tablets to a tablet/phone OS... You do realise Android runs on phones too right? I know that Win8 has excellent multi-user support but WinRT isn't capable of any of the things you just listed. No domain join, no group policy. You're either lying to protect your precious brand (fanboy) or have no idea what you're talking about... I'm gonna go with a bit of both just to be safe . I will admit that I think WinRT will have better multi-user support because its based on Windows code that's been around for a very long time, but nothing like you said.

Shadowzz said,

And nothing new? Indeed what is new to Android recently? Performance upgrades and more? Ok great. So new features? barely.

Come on dude... now you're just embarrassing yourself, I wont list everything but:
-Google Now and all of the voice assistant stuff that came with it. Just as good, if not better than Siri.
-Traffic information added to the navigation app.
-Offline voice dictation.
-Ability to access the camera and other apps from the lock screen.
-Face unlock
-Chrome browser with tabbed browsing and automatic syncing of the browser with users' Chrome bookmarks and open tabs.
-Excelent data usage information and control. I am using this extensively at the moment as I am abroad and want to control my data usage.
-Improved visual voicemail with the ability to speed up or slow down voicemail messages
-Expandable notifications as well as other improvements to notifications.
-Automatic rearanging of shortcuts and widgets on the home screen.
-Oh and of course... Multi-user support.

And those are just features that have been added in the last year that I can think of off the top of my head.

Shadowzz said,

A much mature ecosystem? really dude?
With WP8, the NT ecosystem is partially brought to smartphones, and even it being partially... its still far stronger then the android platform. Even Jellybean needs double the specs for the same smoothness in use alone already.... how is that for a mature OS?

Dude... do you know what an ecosystem is in relation to tech products? It damn sure has nothing to do with phone specs or the NT kernel lol. This bit realy makes you look silly

That they partnered with Apple to put iOS on and dump the crappy Android UI! HAHAHA!

cybertimber2008 said,
What would have impressed you exactly?
I mean we haven't heard the announcement, so take the leaked info with a grain of salt... but still, what *would* impress you?